TwoFeathersATL
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June 27th, 2015 at 11:11:11 AM permalink
Quote: SimpleHustle

Great read and fascinating to say the least.

one question... is it possible that the Sands is cooking the books by deducting the $45 free plays as comps and getting reimbursed from the state's cut of the slot play revenue? I can't see these blood-sucking casinos allowing this to go on unless there is money to be made.


Now there's a question. I suspect, I always suspect, there's more to a topic than meets the casual eye. Good rule of thumb 'follow the money'.
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
casinogypsy227
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February 25th, 2016 at 8:30:28 PM permalink
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I'm the Ron in these articles.
your fairly factual in your post, but I'll fill in around.
being a fugitive of the law i needed to survive and make money. I would ride the bus from kutztown 3 times a day.. $15 bus ticket, $30 bus bonus and $5 food voucher..i played the bonuses on vp and could net about $40 a day, fed myself with the three food vouchers.
Ran into 3 other riders who figured out a way to do 4 runs a day using another bieber stop in quakertown. Bieber runs a back and forth run to Philadelphia that runs through the sands then hits quakertown. Ticket $10, same bonus. We would come in on the first bus from quakertown, get the bonus then immediately get back on the bus and go to kutztown. Yes, right in front of thier faces, we got right back on the bus. Then do 2 kutztown runs back to back. Then do the off and right back on to get to quakertown for the last run. The sands then caught on and they eliminated the one bus back to kutztown, they would drop passengers at sands, but wouldn't pick up. That screwed us out of 4 runs a day. Then out of the blue, another local rider, like me, approached me about using his car to transport back and forth to quakertown. Great, but the logistics if we wanted to get 4 runs in required a second vehicle..a day later we're sitting at the quakertown stop and a guy that looked like the pillsbury doughboy wobbled up and said, hey guys, i have a van. My eyes lit up, i looked at the van and looked back at him and said this is how we do it. We charged $5 a ride to the other gypsies. Giving the rides became profitable and that's where i screwed up, yep i got greedy, started taking chinese, much to the disdain of the non chinese riders. I'll never forget the day my partner said on the way, what's the count, i counted 13 people in the van. When we arrived at the quik mart in quakertown where you purchased the tickets, i said oh there are some all the way in the back, he opened the hatch and 3 chinese fell out half dead, it was a hot day. We did this for almost a month. Yes, i literally got off the bus from quakertown 4 times a day and collected a bus bonus, on a good day me and my partner good net $100, we would call it a benny day. But then the chinese ruined it, they bought vehicles down from new york and started driving their own. Considering that quakertown might have a total population of 10 chinese, the sands caught on real quickly. Within a week the sands stopped the bus bonus from quakertown. That's when we went into the next phase which the article i left the link to refers. But there was a catch, non chinese had a lot of difficulty getting on the chinese buses from nyc. So i decided to learn some flirting chinese phrases to lay on the attreactive female bus hosts. Worked, in no time i was able to lock down regular seats from flushing.when we arrived on the first bus from flushing we would collect the bonus and immediately get in line to run to kutztown. But it got to the point where 1/3 of our bus was going to kutztown and it started to look ugly. At this time i had saved enough money to start buying bonuses, but only from non chinese, i was ethical to not cut into the chinese market. I would buy close to $3,000 worth of bus bonuses a day at around 89% and play them off on video poker, playing jacks or better because i couldn't risk the variance of bonus or double bonus poker. By this time the sands had eliminated the $5 food voucher and you got $5 extra in the bonus (they did this because what i called the redlight district for food vouchers grew inside the sands, 20-30 chinese ladies hawking $5 food vouchers) so i think i paid $40 for $45 from nyc and $30 for the $35 from kutztown. But of course the chinese being the greedy bastards they are were pissed that i stole the non chinese market and actually had people follow me around the casino and watch me play off the cards. But soon the party ended. I think the chinese had me snuffed. There are several theories as to what finally brought ron down. But the day they pinched me, they had several security outside, and let every other bonus rider pass and singled me out. I walked off the property that day( yes when they evicted me they walked me to the bus lobby to make sure i got on a bus to nyc, i veered right and they said once you walk off the property you can't come back, to which i responded i live 10 minutes from here) laughing at the past 8 months, how the hell did i get away with it for so long.eventually they got everybody and unless there is a new breed nobody makes the trip to kutztown anymore. They really laid the hammer down and a lot of the non chinese bonus abusers were evicted from the property. Most of them ran to ac for the greyhound bonus scandal which eventually got busted (a guy printed bonus tickets and people would jump in line like they just got off the bus and get the bonus, on a good day they could get 8 or 9 off a day and make a buck and a half)
there is so much more to the partner was evicted from the sands about 2 months later, he had cut back on the bus runs but eventually they nabbed him.
i ended up getting picked up on my parole violation fugitive warrant.
how the article in the local newspaper came about was the reporter who covered the sands had got wind of the bonus riding, he went to the sands and a couple of gypsies referred him to my partner, he started the story, actually doing a nyc bus run. Told my partner he needed to talk to me, but i was in jail, within a few days after i got out of jail, i contacted him, we met for breakfast and the article was published a few days later.
i stayed a gypsy after i got out of jail and about a year ago completed a legendary LEGAL casino hustle that netted me 6 figures in 6 months. But that's a story for another day.
casinogypsy227
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February 25th, 2016 at 9:25:01 PM permalink
You never got the bus bonus from wescosville, never. What was attempted on many occasions was boarding the bus in wescosville with a kutztown ticket, for logistics purposes.

in march 2013 they did crack down, but they didn't have everybody lined up against the wall with state troopers there. I got off that bus. The greeter pointed people out and they pulled us aside. But several new yorkers slipped right on by. A few never got off the bus and disembarked 5 minutes away at the bethlehem depot.
they nailed a group of local chinese who came from reading, pa. The stop before kutztown..jackson who was one of the original 4from the quakertown runs, and ey immediately handed jackson eviction papers, i somehow wiggled my way out of it with a local id, they gave me 24 hours. In my longer response, i state that one week later they got me for good.
that whole episode was weird because they went after those local chinese and let the new yorkers fly by.
but nobody else was evicted that ey brought a chinese interepter out and even the chinese wiggled their way out, because they had reading, pa id's
casinogypsy227
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February 25th, 2016 at 9:33:23 PM permalink
I agree...we got away with it for so long because they didn't really care i always seemed like they just wanted to hand out as many bonuses as possible for the numbers sake.
just visualise what we were doing, literally getting off a bus, getting bonus and getting right back on the same bus. Or the quakertown runs, the same bums wearing the same clothes getting off the bus 4 times a day from 's hysterical when i look back on it now.
casinogypsy227
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February 25th, 2016 at 9:46:51 PM permalink
Quote: bobsims

Sands cut down that Chinatown bus bonus a few months back after major exposes in NYC newspapers. Maybe they have quietly brought them back?
It should be noted that you only got seats on those buses by paying a kickback to the tour coordinator. No kickback no seat.


the kickback was called the tip, generally $3,,i paid $5 because i sat in the front third of the bus.
darkoz
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February 25th, 2016 at 9:51:36 PM permalink
Thanks for the clarifications. When I came along to the Sands scene I got the info from people who went through it. I was not a direct witness.

Everyone was scared to take the Kutztown bus except me. I had just come along and the greeters didn't peg me as a Chinese bus rider. I also was a bit fearless because I had a California ID. I figured if I ever got stopped I would say I went to visit a friend in Kutztown as I was visiting from CA.

You also seem to know about the AC bus bonus scandal. I wrote an article about that too, (the sequel to this one.) Would love if you know info about that to read it and clarify where my investigation may have gleaned the wrong info. A lot of people on here suspected I was behind or involved in that one however I learned everything for that second hand or through my own observations.

Thx.
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February 25th, 2016 at 9:59:02 PM permalink
Also, I found it hilarious when you referenced the guy with the van who looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy. I know exactly who you are talking about. I even paid him to drive my family from the Sands to Dorney Park in that van.
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February 25th, 2016 at 10:25:47 PM permalink
There are so many side stories i could share too. Like the time our bus from flushing, the 11:00 was hijacked by a non chinese guy. Pissed because he didn't get a ticket he refused to let anybody board the bus. He stood at the door of the bus. It was the back-up host that day and he was on the phone trying to figure out how to handle lasted a good 45 minutes and i believe the host was instructed not to call the police. The host consulted with a couple chinese and the solution was the hijacker was given a ticket and a regular chinese rider forsake his trip that night.
or the final straw in the Quakertown runs. The situation was getting hot, and on a balmy 90 degree day, i decided to skip the 1: 30. By now the chinese were lugging a good 60 people down there. (Quakertown was only 35 minutes from the sands) and i felt it was ready to burst. My partner took the usual down and called me to describe an unbelievable scene. 60-70 chinese roasting in the hot sun. The bus came and filled and the leftover chinese had to wait for a second bus. The next bus that pulls in is actually a bus going southbound to Philadelphia. The chinese scamper to the bus and the situation becomes volatile, the driver has to fight them off with his umbrella, the chinese have no idea its the wrong bus. One chinese guy lays in front of the bus, my buddy described as something akin to the tiennemun square protest. The state police are called to diffuse the situation. And that was really the end of the quakertown bus bonus.
or the time we're in kutztown there was always a 2 hour layover until the 5:00 bus. Kutztown is a rural college town, we would walk to the store to kill time, our group has 3 black dudes, the cops roll up on us telling us someone called them because we seemed ssuspicious.
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February 25th, 2016 at 10:47:43 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Thanks for the clarifications. When I came along to the Sands scene I got the info from people who went through it. I was not a direct witness.

Everyone was scared to take the Kutztown bus except me. I had just come along and the greeters didn't peg me as a Chinese bus rider. I also was a bit fearless because I had a California ID. I figured if I ever got stopped I would say I went to visit a friend in Kutztown as I was visiting from CA.

You also seem to know about the AC bus bonus scandal. I wrote an article about that too, (the sequel to this one.) Would love if you know info about that to read it and clarify where my investigation may have gleaned the wrong info. A lot of people on here suspected I was behind or involved in that one however I learned everything for that second hand or through my own observations.

Thx.



I tried it, got 2 off. But the third one i swore security was looking right at me as i waited in line. I said "f" this, this is definitely against the law and i left the line and never did it again.
once again, it was brazen, open, done so many times and they got away with it for so long. A week later my girl and i used the chinese buses to navigate to mohegan sun so she could get the $100, when we rolled back into ac that night there was a clear and present surveilance watching the bus depot and i figured i made the right decision getting out of that line a week earlier.
the way i understand it there were never arrests made, only evictions. Which amazed me because they were printing tickets. This is like fraud 101.
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March 27th, 2017 at 4:16:10 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Chinatown in NYC serves as the hub of casino bussing of patrons to all the local parlors in the nearby environs. Here you can catch buses to Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun, Empire Casino, Resorts World, the AC casinos and, interestingly enough, the Sands Casino in Pa.

At only 90 minutes away, it makes for a very easy-going trip and they co-incidentally have one of the best bus offers making seats on the bus very much in demand. For just a fifteen dollar bus ticket, patrons receive $45 in free-play. That's quite an advantage!

There is one more advantage for gamblers who are hustling and that is the $45 promotion is completely anonymous. Sands is the only casino to hand out bus free-play pre-loaded onto throw-away players cards which are handed out as patrons exit the bus, no ID is required to attain the cards. In fact, there is one patron who as of a year ago was actually under-age--at 20 years old, he would ride the bus, obtain the players card and then sell it for a premium, the going rate of $40 to a casino patron in the bus lobby as he was unable to enter the gaming floor where security would ID him.

Yes, the going rate for these anonymous cards is $40. Why so high? It's a sellers market. Buyers are desperate for just a five dollar advantage, which isn't too bad because these cards could be used at video blackjack and video poker. And besides, the sellers were spending as much as six hours travelling back and forth with the layover at the casino. Since they were doing the real work, the premium for the cards was high.

And, of course, there were some patrons who actually gambled the cards themselves.

So, just who was taking entire day long bus trips to obtain barely $25 profit? Well, the most suitable people for bus travelling day in and day out for little pay where no ID is required -- the homeless!

Good luck getting a seat on any Sands Casino bus out of Chinatown. Almost the entire bus population is comprised primarily of homeless people. They purchase advance tickets, sold on the bus the previous day so that they can hold their seat. Many of these homeless have been riding the same bus schedule in the same seat being served by the same host for years. And of course they don't restrict themselves to just one trip. Being homeless, they have nowhere to go at night either. So they take the morning bus, sell their free-play, return in the evening and after spending the money on dinner and whatever vices the Sands casino is financing, they hop on the evening bus for another go at it. For them, this is the only way they get a good nights sleep. You or I might find it difficult but a quiet bus, regardless of having to sleep in an upright seated position is better than the alternative--and they basically are getting paid to sleep on a bus!



Your post beat ABC's "Eyewitness News" report on this subject by nearly two years.

Eyewitness News

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