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AlanMendelson
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December 28th, 2012 at 2:46:17 PM permalink
Harrah's Rincon Casino in San Diego has announced a year long promotion for 2013 that culminates on December 31, 2013 with one million dollars being awarded to one player drawn at random. There are also monthly prizes and together they total more than two million dollars.

The more you play, the more entries you have. Play on Tuesdays and your entries are tripled.

There are very few close to postiive expectation games at Rincon but coupled with Caesars Total Rewards points and free play and comp dollars there might be a couple of positive plays including Super Aces Bonus video poker, perhaps 8/5 Aces and Faces (with the add-ons) and perhaps blackjack for skilled players and maybe for pass/dp craps players with full odds (again with the add ons).

I wrote about the details on my site here: http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?1037-Is-this-the-ULTIMATE-casino-ADVANTAGE-play

It seems that Tuesday is the day to play because of triple entries. Whatcha' think?
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December 28th, 2012 at 3:09:22 PM permalink
I think you had better find out just how many entries per day there can be that are made by person's whose cards may be present but who are themselves quite distant.
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December 28th, 2012 at 3:20:44 PM permalink
Good question, but would you play on a machine with someone else's card inserted in it? Also, the cards must be reinserted in all machines if there is no play for a certain amount of minutes... so it wouldnt do you any good to put your cards in a bunch of machines and hope someone plays them later.
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December 28th, 2012 at 3:28:51 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Good question, but would you play on a machine with someone else's card inserted in it? Also, the cards must be reinserted in all machines if there is no play for a certain amount of minutes... so it wouldnt do you any good to put your cards in a bunch of machines and hope someone plays them later.



Yeah, generally I don't think this scenario is a big issue. But if there is a daily entry cap, then there could be an issue with using other people's cards (i.e. family members) to "share" entries.
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December 28th, 2012 at 8:31:15 PM permalink
Well, there certainly isn't a daily entry cap. In fact, the casino wants more play -- and as much play as it can get out of this promotion -- because the more play there is the more profits there are to pay the prizes. The prizes are a fixed amount -- the prize schedule has been determined. What they need to do now is generate as much interest and as much play as possible to fund the prize pool.
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:01:29 PM permalink
Ok, I did some math. Does the big winner must be present to award the prize? If so, it will help your cause, but otherwise, this is a marginal promo at best with the following assumption: Harrah's Rincon has similar volume to Harrah's St. Louis.

Why Harrah's St. Louis? Because Missouri gives clear slot handle stats publicly on the Internet, and I failed to find the same for Harrah's Rincon. Not everyone uses their TR card so I am ignoring all table games, looking at the slot handle only and converting it to Tier points results in 621 million Tier points vying for ~$2M. So that's the rough equivalent of a 4X multiplier all year with a 10X multiplier on Tuesdays, except that you are quite likely to see nothing! Now if Harrah's Rincon is a significantly smaller casino than St. Louis, this promo could be a better value. If you barely make 7 Star (100k Tier) with 100% of your play at Harrah's Rincon, the value to you is roughly $320 if Rincon's volume is similar to St. Louis.

And unless I am really screwing up the math, Bob Dancer will definitely be skipping this promo, imo.
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:10:55 PM permalink
About two years ago, Rincon ran a promotion that was also based on play. For each W2G you won during a period of time, you were entered into a drawing on one day for additional free play. If I recall it was $500 or $100 of free play at each drawing and the drawings went on every fifteen minutes for ten hours, or something like that.

One player dominated and got almost all of the free play awards. It was the one guy who always played $100 video poker.

Yes, you will have to be there to win not only the million dollar prize on Dec 31 but also the monthly drawings.

I suspect this will be another contest that is dominated by the heavy duty players.

If Bob Dancer goes through fifty thousand at a shot of winning a twenty thousand dollar car, I think this one is up his alley.
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:39:13 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

About two years ago, Rincon ran a promotion that was also based on play. For each W2G you won during a period of time, you were entered into a drawing on one day for additional free play. If I recall it was $500 or $100 of free play at each drawing and the drawings went on every fifteen minutes for ten hours, or something like that.

One player dominated and got almost all of the free play awards. It was the one guy who always played $100 video poker.



That's a totally different drawing, that guy gets a W-2 for a straight or better, right?

This drawing benefits people like that much, much less assuming you get 1 entry per tier credit.

If I am understanding the drawing correctly, it's directly proportional to slot/video poker handle, so it's just like a 10X multiplier on a Tuesday (if everyone shows up of course). The best thing Rincon has at higher limits is 99.4% Ace$ for $25 max per deal, so I guess that's worth playing on a Tuesday to go above 100% with entries, but otherwise, it's still -EV. They also have 8/5 Bonus Double STP for 99.67% at $17.50 max per deal (5 hands at $3.50 each, so jealous of this as I <3 Double STP so much, and it's the best DSTP machine I have seen on VPFree2).

A big factor is who all shows up on Dec. 31st or whatever. They are forced to award it right and/or won't award it to people that don't "check in/play" that day?
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:44:39 PM permalink
there is a W2G for a $100 VP player on Jacks or Better with just three of a kind.

I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying that the bigger bettors are not going to win? My thinking is that a few of the regular high limit players will walk away with the monthly money and one of them is going to get the million.

Rincon still has 8/5 Aces and Faces at $500 per push, or $100 per coin. They eliminated the 9/6 Jacks game.

I also think that someone who comes in there with a big bankroll and plays on Tuesdays for triple entries and shows up on Saturdays and on Dec 31 could walk away with the whole thing.
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December 28th, 2012 at 11:14:15 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

there is a W2G for a $100 VP player on Jacks or Better with just three of a kind.

I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying that the bigger bettors are not going to win? My thinking is that a few of the regular high limit players will walk away with the monthly money and one of them is going to get the million.

Rincon still has 8/5 Aces and Faces at $500 per push, or $100 per coin. They eliminated the 9/6 Jacks game.

I also think that someone who comes in there with a big bankroll and plays on Tuesdays for triple entries and shows up on Saturdays and on Dec 31 could walk away with the whole thing.



Oh, it's definitely possible, but there are tons of diamonds out there that never earn W2Gs because they play penny slots at $1-$2 a pull consistently all year that have their fair share this contest (my mom is an example of one of these people :( ). It really depends on who shows up on Dec. 31st. If only 40% of the Tier points earned all show up on any given drawing (probably reasonable), then the value for a min level 7 Star jumps to $800 if Rincon's volume is roughly St. Louis's.

This is really hard to estimate, but I still think this isn't that great of a promo. Even if people play 8/5 Aces & Faces for $500/hand on Tuesdays only, I'm still not sure that will make it that +EV, it's only a 99.26% game!! It might be worth it to them once they value all comps they'll get a solid 7 Star, but I don't think it's a gigantic money making opportunity. And it's a big gamble, it's like playing the lottery. A gigantic player might have a 1 in 50 chance of winning, which makes his EV for the Dec. 31st drawing $20k, but I'm guessing the EV loss he had to gain all those entries might be more than $20k.

The 2011 "Race to Rewards", now THAT was a great promo (on a percentage basis at least).
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December 29th, 2012 at 5:04:55 AM permalink
Thank you for all of the thought you are putting into this. But I think you are short changing the high rollers here.

Quote: tringlomane

Even if people play 8/5 Aces & Faces for $500/hand on Tuesdays only, I'm still not sure that will make it that +EV, it's only a 99.26% game!!



You have to add in the monthly cash back, plus the free play offers that players are getting. I cannot even fathom what kind of free play offers Harrah's gives to $100/coin VP players but I can give you some estimates based on my own play.

I get as cash back (actually its not cash anymore, but it's additional free play) 1% of the tier points I put on. Each ten-dollars of coin-in earns 1-tier point.
I also get additional free play during the month that I estimate to represent two-tenths of one-percent of coin-in.

The tier points earned also go to comps and I am sure that is more than enough to cover all hotel and food charges for any of these high rollers from Vegas who decide to come in for Tuesday nights each week, plus one Saturday night each month plus New Year's Weekend at the end of next year. Rincon is only 90 minutes from where I live so I've never stayed there and I use my comp dollars to buy gift items and gift cards -- mostly gas cards. A high roller after paying for hotel and food and services probably has plenty of comp dollars left over for gas cards, Macys cards, TVs, computers, hair dryers and whatever else they want to buy and could start up their own flea market booth.

So on 8/5 Aces and Faces at the $100/coin level (played the same way as Bonus poker, by the way, except that the bonus hands are Jacks, Queens, Kings), the game is now about 99.56% plus free hotel stay and food plus additional comp dollars used for gift cards and gifts.

I think you concentrated only on the million dollar drawing. Don't forget the monthly drawings where one player each month gets $50,000 in cash plus there are ten additional drawings on Saturdays with five chances to win $1,000 of free play each hour. Based on previous drawings of this type, the same player can win multiple drawings each hour. The monthly drawings are worth a total of $100,000 each month.

Plus, I cannot even imagine what that level of play means for other offers and comps which are beyond my scope of play.

So adding in all of the other perks, does your math change?
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December 30th, 2012 at 5:31:21 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

The 2011 "Race to Rewards", now THAT was a great promo (on a percentage basis at least).



AGREED !

The 2012 Caesar's "Race to Rewards" worked
out even better for us.

I wonder if they will do it again in 2013.

I suppose it all depends on their analysis
of how it drives their bottom line.
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January 8th, 2013 at 9:52:16 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Thank you for all of the thought you are putting into this. But I think you are short changing the high rollers here.



You have to add in the monthly cash back, plus the free play offers that players are getting. I cannot even fathom what kind of free play offers Harrah's gives to $100/coin VP players but I can give you some estimates based on my own play.

I get as cash back (actually its not cash anymore, but it's additional free play) 1% of the tier points I put on. Each ten-dollars of coin-in earns 1-tier point.
I also get additional free play during the month that I estimate to represent two-tenths of one-percent of coin-in.

The tier points earned also go to comps and I am sure that is more than enough to cover all hotel and food charges for any of these high rollers from Vegas who decide to come in for Tuesday nights each week, plus one Saturday night each month plus New Year's Weekend at the end of next year. Rincon is only 90 minutes from where I live so I've never stayed there and I use my comp dollars to buy gift items and gift cards -- mostly gas cards. A high roller after paying for hotel and food and services probably has plenty of comp dollars left over for gas cards, Macys cards, TVs, computers, hair dryers and whatever else they want to buy and could start up their own flea market booth.

So on 8/5 Aces and Faces at the $100/coin level (played the same way as Bonus poker, by the way, except that the bonus hands are Jacks, Queens, Kings), the game is now about 99.56% plus free hotel stay and food plus additional comp dollars used for gift cards and gifts.

I think you concentrated only on the million dollar drawing. Don't forget the monthly drawings where one player each month gets $50,000 in cash plus there are ten additional drawings on Saturdays with five chances to win $1,000 of free play each hour. Based on previous drawings of this type, the same player can win multiple drawings each hour. The monthly drawings are worth a total of $100,000 each month.

Plus, I cannot even imagine what that level of play means for other offers and comps which are beyond my scope of play.

So adding in all of the other perks, does your math change?



No. You are trying to justify your action to date. The logic is simple: You are making sum certain wagers at a game where about 2% of the return is tied to a rare hand, and you are HOPING to offset this loss with sum uncertain ventures.

AlanMendelson, in plain English, you don't have a sizeable margin of safety, much less a margin because it's thin to the point of invisible. It's clear to me the casino knows how you "hook" you and "reel" you in. I hope you have fun exchanging your net worth for contingent prizes and comps. May you hit the RF early rather than late.

-Cheers.
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January 8th, 2013 at 10:26:35 PM permalink
I apparently didn't notice this thread got pushed up again. My math included the monthly drawings as well, I assumed they gave away $2M total in the drawings. It could be marginally +EV when you fairly evaluate everything, but a good amount of this promo is tied into winning the million dollar prize. I personally would just rather have a 4X-5X multiplier everyday, like I was getting at Harrah's STL for most of the last year they were open.
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January 8th, 2013 at 10:54:31 PM permalink
I'm not a big vp or slots player but when I do play I only play when I have a known and verified advantage, and not like the bad guess job I read about as performed by this forum's owner and a vp pro at the Riv in November. In this case, there definitely is one in my book, and saying something is too reliant on a rare hand, aka the royal, is not relevant. Every hand can happen on every deal.

The only problem I see with this promotion is that it covers an entire year. But still, if I were nearby or if I were a vp pro living anywhere, I'd go for it. I calculate somewhere around a 2% or even 3% or greater edge WITHOUT the million dollar drawing added in. There are a bunch of extras and specials here in addition to what are really very playable games at the higher levels. I also agree with what AlanMendelson says about the unknown additives bestowed upon such high limit players, which this promotion seems to be primarily geared towards. There are also new qualification procedures for attaining different levels at Harrah's this year, and coming in to play on Tuesday's (3x points) and Saturdays for the drawings could actually work in the player's favor in quest of Seven, which only adds to the overall advantage. In short, one need not play as much (although playing for this promotion automatically means a lot of play) to get to Seven Stars, even though it now requires 150,000 tier credits vs. last year's 100,000.

A criticism I read had to do with this being a sum of all play by vp players and how does anyone know how much play is performed? VP advantage playing pros are never concerned with that. If they put in what they consider to be a tremendous amount of play compared to the others, they know about where they stand.

All in all I'm surprised at Harrahs for coming up with this. That Rincon casino must be doing very well. I just wish I had the cash and the ability to go after this.
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January 8th, 2013 at 11:09:17 PM permalink
Quote: iluvdisco33

I calculate somewhere around a 2% or even 3% or greater edge WITHOUT the million dollar drawing added in.



I would really love to see the math that got you this answer. In an earlier post in this thread, I estimated Harrah's St. Louis players earned 621 million tier points in the past twelve months. So I feel like you and Alan are underestimating the number of people that have a shot at this thing.

And no casino gives people who play 99%+ video poker a 2-3% return in comps unless they want to expedite going out of business.
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January 21st, 2013 at 2:21:16 AM permalink
there is another development that I discovered in the fine print which actually can even add to the advantage of an "advantage player." And that fine print development is that you must swipe your card to activate your entries prior to the drawings and the earlier you activate your drawings on the day of each monthly drawings, the bigger the advantage you have.

This also works against other "casual" or non-advantage players who might not be able to swipe their cards early enough to have full advantage.

In short this is what you have to do this coming Saturday Jan 26 for the January $100,000 drawings including $50,000 cash: to have the full benefit of your play during the month, you must activate your entries by swiping your card at the entry kiosk by 12:45pm on Saturday. While you don't have to be present to win the five $1,000 free play drawings each hour starting at 1-PM you must claim the prizes by 11:59-PM. You must have swiped your card by 10:30pm and you must be present to win the $50,000 cash drawing at 11-PM Saturday night.

Again, these rules work in favor of advantage players who can swipe early, then be there late Saturday for the big drawing based on their entries (play) during the month.

Details on my website forum: http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?1075-The-rules-for-Saturday-s-100-000-drawings-at-Harrah-s-Rincon

You really have to read the fine print to catch these rules.
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January 21st, 2013 at 4:04:30 AM permalink
I have taken ur advice and plan on playin aces and faces to achieve 7 stars with as minimal loss as possible.... How many people can we assume are also going to pursue this strategy thus earning themselves many entries...??
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January 21st, 2013 at 4:07:19 AM permalink
Either way... I agree, Tuesday is the day to play... Guess we will find out this Saturday when one of us will most likely take it..
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January 21st, 2013 at 4:24:55 AM permalink
Quote: Dreamer

I have taken ur advice and plan on playin aces and faces to achieve 7 stars with as minimal loss as possible.... How many people can we assume are also going to pursue this strategy thus earning themselves many entries...??



Unfortunately I can't play on Tuesdays. My free play offers with the exception of the weekly free play don't work on tuesdays, so I am usually there late thursday night.

When I was there this past thursday I asked how many players were in the high limit room on Tuesdays taking advantage of the "strategy" and the floor people told me "not many." In fact, they said business has been "light."

However, I went to the casino today to take advantage of my Sunday free play (had $200) and I guess because of the holiday weekend the casino was jammed. High limit area was also very busy, and for the first time in quite a while there were three players on the $5 double double bonus progressive which is now up to about $39K. it usually hits around $35K so I suspect the locals will start to pound on those machines in the next day or two.

I might have a problem now for Saturday's drawings. I was originally planning on showing up just before the 11pm drawing, but now I have to go there before 12:45pm just to swipe my card to be entered in all of the hourly drawings. I might actually have to drive down there early Saturday morning, then high tail it back to LA and then back to Rincon Saturday night IF my wife will let me. I just can't spend the whole day and night there.

But I never thought I had a chance at the drawings anyway -- I just want to hit 7Sars again the cheapest way. I now have approx 52,000 points but my net loss is now $2,200 because I gave that $5 progressive a $1,000 try the other night when it was at $36,000. Otherwise my loss would be $1200 with one-third of the journey to 7Stars completed.
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January 21st, 2013 at 4:53:29 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson


But I never thought I had a chance at the drawings anyway -- I just want to hit 7Sars again the cheapest way. I now have approx 52,000 points but my net loss is now $2,200 because I gave that $5 progressive a $1,000 try the other night when it was at $36,000. Otherwise my loss would be $1200 with one-third of the journey to 7Stars completed.



Just curious, what monetary value do you put on being a 7 Star from free play, 7 Star events, free flight to Vegas, free shows, free hotel porn movies (lol), etc.? Because with the new system, the expected loss of achieving the minimum level 7 Star isn't terrible with 8/5 Aces & Faces. If I had a lot more money and lived in Chicago (where 99.96% exists and expected loss could be as low as $200), I would really consider doing it.
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January 21st, 2013 at 7:02:52 PM permalink
Actual cash value estimate (I wrote about this on my own forum when I received a similar question):

1. Unlimited free room during the year
2. two gift stays of up to three nights that I can give to friends/relatives
3. $500 annual dinner
4. annual gift $200, but Rincon gives quarterly gifts worth about $200 each quarter in addition to the annual gift
5. unlimited free movies in the room at about $15 each (we watch about 4 on average each trip)
6. unlimited internet access in the room (I think its 9.95 but I don't use it)
7. 25% discount in the gift shop
8. annual trip includes free air fare plus $500 dining credit
9. Seven stars experience trips during the year (I dont care about the Memphis Grizzlies or going to New Orleans, but I do get $500 shopping at the Forum shops)

new benefits just added:

10. lower exchange rate for comp dollars into free play
11. extra Seven Stars experience trip (no idea what they are)
12. guaranteed new year's eve invite, but I value this as a big ZERO
13. free limos to and from airport (previously a $35 charge)
14. free early check in and late check out (but I always had this before)

And during the course of the year there is the annual 7 Stars weekend (never went) occasional dinner invitations with a casino exec to "get acquainted" which I ALWAYS DO and state my case for better video poker paytables, free concert and show tickets throughout the year worth perhaps a thousand dollars alone.

I put no value on the 7 Stars lines which I think they should do away with. I put no value on the use of the Diamond Lounge because I don't use it. I put no value on the 7 Stars office for check in and check out because I usually arrive in the middle of the night when it's closed.

I don't see any correlation between 7Stars and free play offers. And to be honest, my free play at Caesars has been cut by about 70% in the past year because I haven't been there as much as in recent years.

I also put ZERO value on the ego of having a 7Stars card, by my wife values the Companion card highly because when she is in Vegas with her girlfriends they use it to cut every line possible.

So let me add it up, based on only Four trips to Caesars (I don't use hotel rooms at Rincon): probably about $6500 on the low side. And I don't take advantage of everything. Now, I could conceivably come out ahead on this if I don't play craps. But I am sure that all of the value from 7Stars was lost at craps many times over. LOL
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January 28th, 2013 at 3:53:36 AM permalink
Let me give you an update after the first Saturday drawing (this past Saturday).

As I expected a high roler won the $50,000 cash drawing, plus three of the $1,000 free play drawings.

Later I found out that the high roller already has 150-thousand tier credits, enough for 7Stars again in 2014, and I estimate that the high roller had somewhere between 6% and 12% of all of the entries in the drawings -- and perhaps even more if the high roller had more than 150-thousand tier score points.
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January 28th, 2013 at 11:34:21 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Let me give you an update after the first Saturday drawing (this past Saturday).

As I expected a high roler won the $50,000 cash drawing, plus three of the $1,000 free play drawings.

Later I found out that the high roller already has 150-thousand tier credits, enough for 7Stars again in 2014, and I estimate that the high roller had somewhere between 6% and 12% of all of the entries in the drawings -- and perhaps even more if the high roller had more than 150-thousand tier score points.



Yikes. Your estimate is roughly correct considering "average" drawing luck. So the value of this drawing to him was roughly $9000 in EV. If he played 8/5 Aces & Faces and played as many 2500 Tier Point sessions as possible, then this is +EV on the monthly drawing alone. I obviously overestimated the amount of entries that would be activated initially. Did you win anything Alan?
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January 28th, 2013 at 2:06:12 PM permalink
When I got there and found out there were 2.5-million entries plus 2,500 players in the casino I realized I didn't stand a chance. I won zip.

I also did some figuring about how much the high roller actually netted during the month of play. I estimate that she netted a profit of at least $25,000 or $37,500 during the month at the low end.

I worked it out here with a full report on my site: http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?1084-And-the-first-monthly-50-000-winner-is...

And in future months I think high rollers will have even a better chance because low level players now realize how slim their chances are. I wouldnt be surprised if the turn out on Feb 23rd is half of what it was this past Saturday because many players will not think its worth the time.
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January 28th, 2013 at 2:15:31 PM permalink
I've been following this but only via the wish list. How do you figure the drawing winner was ahead from playing before the drawing, or is that not what you meant?
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January 28th, 2013 at 2:27:18 PM permalink
I would assume the high roller played decent strategy on VP. If she cycled that much coin on a slot.... yikes..
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January 28th, 2013 at 7:54:34 PM permalink
I dont think she was a VP player, but if she were a VP player her theoretical loss would be a tiny percentage and she might actually had a profit just on the game itself if she played one of a few games at Rincon plus the free play that high rollers get.

But this is an academic discussion now, as I never saw her playing VP. I think she was a table game player. When I was shmoozing with the Total Rewards people they hinted there was a high roller playing $15,000 per hand. I didn't think that table game limit was available but perhaps for multiple positions it was possible to spread that much??? I don't know, someone who watches the table games would know better than me about this.

I can tell you this, if she cycled through enough money to earn more than 150,000 tier credits just during January, her next round of free play from the casino will probably be in the range of:

$1500 bounce back
$1000 weekly free play or more
plus special offers during the month that could be another $5,000 of free play or more.

In January my free play (a result of November play) was $3,410 and I put on about 30,000 tier points thanks to a lucky run of royals. That's why I estimate this player will get about 10K++ of free play from her January play.

That free play will have to all be used in March (there is a one month lag in getting it) but the point is that will put this player way up there in the ranks of players for the million dollar drawing too on New Year's Eve.
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January 28th, 2013 at 8:17:57 PM permalink
Quote: iluvdisco33

I've been following this but only via the wish list. How do you figure the drawing winner was ahead from playing before the drawing, or is that not what you meant?



In my original projection I suggested that if a high roller played the $100/coin, single line, 8/5 Aces and Faces (99.26% return) game with the free play that such a high roller would get, and using the reward credits from that high level of play to buy either gas cards, visa cards, department store gift cards or even more free play, that they would have a positive return even before the drawings. ($100 Ace$ Bonus is the other game that pays 99.26%, and there is no 9/6 Jacks anymore there.)

Then when the play was on Tuesdays for triple entries for all play, the advantage builds for the drawings.

Then you add in the drawings with $50,000 of free play and $50,000 cash each month, plus one million dollars cash on New Year's Eve.)

There were no high limit teams that played during January -- I checked that out. But now that we see that one high limit player did indeed dominate the drawings, I think a lot of smaller players will not bother in future months, and more high rollers will be attracted, and it could turn into a high roller slugfest.
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