Lip-synch halftime show--who noticed or cared?
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Madonna lip-synched the Haftime show.
This is common with singers for who the show is also a correagraphed dance routine. Paula Abdul was known to do the same thing. Several others who I can't remember were cited way back when the Milli Vinilli nonscandal scandal was in the news.
How do you feel about this kind of thing? On one hand, few people care much about the halftime show, I think I remember about 3-4 of the performances in my lifetime. OTOH, Frank, Dean, Sammy, and even Elvis would never, ever do that.
What say you all?
(NOTE: I know I said I would never mention the name in the last part, but I am in the mood for a fun question.)
Quote: WizardI was watching at a friend's house and one of the wives noticed it and commented about it several times. Personally, I couldn't tell, and didn't really care.
FWIW the sure way to tell is that is is impossible to dance around like that and sound as good as a cut studio recording.
Quote: RuPaul#Madonna! The time has come for U to lipsynch for your life! Good luck and don't f%ck it up!
But, if you're a crooner, or otherwise stand in one spot and don't flail about, then let's hear the real thing. If, say, Adele got up there and didn't move per her usual, I'd expect to hear her actual voice. If I was up there and they wanted me to synch, I'd be offended and tell them to buzz off. I'm surprised not that it happens, but that more artists don't demand to sing.
Quote: FaceEver tried to sing and dance at the same time? It's incredibly difficult. Anyone who can do both well AND at the same time aren't just talented, they're physically gifted. It's no mean feat.
While that may be true, Madonna and a LOT of other female pop singers, are known for extravagant stage productions for their shows. Are you saying they're all lip-synced?
I accept it because it was a halftime show. I'd be PISSED to see lip-syncing at her own show. (Then again, you'd have to drag me, kicking and screaming, to get me to go...)
sing and tone down the choreography if you need to.
Does this mean that all high energy concert shows are
lip synched ?
Quote: JohnnyQDoes this mean that all high energy concert shows are
lip synched ?
Googled it, a bigger problem than I thought. Hannah Montana even sent in a body double--talk about a rip off if you paid for the real thing!
Quote: DJTeddyBearWhile that may be true, Madonna and a LOT of other female pop singers, are known for extravagant stage productions for their shows. Are you saying they're all lip-synced?
Huh? I'm just saying it's wicked hard. There's plenty of artists who do both. Madonna did both, once upon an ago. But if her 56yr old self who's not in mid tour shape wants to synch so she can dance, I don't have a problem with it.
It could have been Lana Del Ray's piss poor attempt on Saturday night live instead....
Quote: thecesspitFor a half time show, I'd prefer to see a good show, if it's lip sync'd, pre recorder and all faked with wires and light. The show's the thing. Some performers live work is great, but isn't polished. This is fine in some cases. I'd prefer fakery and a show to half arsing it like the Black-Eyed Peas did last year.
I was just discussing this with my brother. Said my thought was if she is going to synch the thing the least they could have done was use a voice-cut from a previous live show instead of what sounded like a studio-cut that they used. I kind of blame it on a society that thinks all of this stuff comes out perfect, first-time everytime. Go to even one concert and you see that they don't sound like the CD you bought at the store, and you don't want them to.
Of course he told me to go listen to Frank, Dean, and Sammy if that was what I liked.......
I've always wondered if singing at the Superbowl Halftime Show, with all the loud things going on, would even be able to be picked up. I'm not up on microphone technology, but it seems like it might be hard to get a clear sound from a singer, unless there's nothing else going on around the person.
Further, I had been told once (by an unreliable source) that the producers of certain events, like the halftime shows, prefer, or maybe even require, lip-synching, as this gives them the ability to know in advance what words will be sung during the show, rather than being surprised by an F-Bomb. Anybody know?
Quote: konceptumI'm not a fan of the show Glee, but from what I've been told, the performers on the show do their own singing, but the songs are recorded prior to the filming, and the performers (actors?) lip-synch the parts. Does that make it a worse show?
Um, ALL movie musicals (and now TV shows) operate this way. A studio recording translates better to CD/MP3 sales so they have to pre-record the music. This is different than dubbing, which was very popular in the 50s and 60s. Audrey Hepburn couldn't sing to save her life, so they dubbed her. The last major dubbing I can think of was Minnie Driver in Phantom of the Opera. Audiences now demand to hear the actual singing voices of actors.
I really don't have a problem with the lip-synching, thought it drives me nuts that they make a concentrated effort to make it look like they are singing live. Madonna traded mics a few times; I ask WHY?? It was an okay show, not great, but seemed a bit silly to see her pretending to sing when the pre-recorded track was CLEARLY studio.
It reminds me of the controversy of Ashlee Simpson going on SNL and obviously lip-syncing. You can't tell me she was the first performer to do this, and I'd guess more than half phoned in their performances. She was the first to get CAUGHT, but it was all silly.
Quote: konceptumI'm not a fan of the show Glee, but from what I've been told, the performers on the show do their own singing, but the songs are recorded prior to the filming, and the performers (actors?) lip-synch the parts. Does that make it a worse show?
I've always wondered if singing at the Superbowl Halftime Show, with all the loud things going on, would even be able to be picked up. I'm not up on microphone technology, but it seems like it might be hard to get a clear sound from a singer, unless there's nothing else going on around the person.
Further, I had been told once (by an unreliable source) that the producers of certain events, like the halftime shows, prefer, or maybe even require, lip-synching, as this gives them the ability to know in advance what words will be sung during the show, rather than being surprised by an F-Bomb. Anybody know?
On Glee, never saw it. If I am asked to watch it, my then-girlfriend better be totally hot.
On the sound, not sure I buy that. Maybe sometime in the past, but I would think microphone technology makes this not an issue. Not with a mic inches from the singers mouth,
On the last part, yes, no F-Bombs and more importantly, better timing control.
I still think it is silly that a singer is hired because they are a great singer and they don't sing.
I cared.
They should have had Lady Gaga, or even Katy Perry.
Madonna is washed up.
Quote: MrVI noticed.
I cared.
They should have had Lady Gaga, or even Katie Perry.
Madonna is washed up.
The main act tends to be someone whose been a superstar for a long time (at least now it seems that way). Perry and Gaga are far too new.
Quote: thecesspitThe main act tends to be someone whose been a superstar for a long time (at least now it seems that way). Perry and Gaga are far too new.
2004 P. Diddy, Justin Timberlake
2001: Britney Spears, Mary J. Blige, Nelly, 'N Sync
1998 Boyz II Men, Queen Latifeh
Quote: MrV2004 P. Diddy, Justin Timberlake
2001: Britney Spears, Mary J. Blige, Nelly, 'N Sync
1998 Boyz II Men, Queen Latifeh
Recently, (post-Jackson's nipple), I should have clarified.
But it's probably just a general impression rather than much more than that, you are correct.
But she hasn't had anything new out for about four years, which is forever in the music biz.
Sure, she's an icon, and of a stature similar to The Who and The Stones, so I can understand them wanting her to perform, just as they dragged those dinosaurs out not too long ago.
It is just sad to now think of her as another "Geezer," getting by on what she once did, not what she's doing now.
Makes me feel sort of ... old ...
Lady Gaga has a live mic but a crutch backing track. She may be goofy but she's most certainly talented.Quote: FaceI can understand for shows like this. Ever tried to sing and dance at the same time? It's incredibly difficult. Anyone who can do both well AND at the same time aren't just talented, they're physically gifted. It's no mean feat.
But, if you're a crooner, or otherwise stand in one spot and don't flail about, then let's hear the real thing. If, say, Adele got up there and didn't move per her usual, I'd expect to hear her actual voice. If I was up there and they wanted me to synch, I'd be offended and tell them to buzz off. I'm surprised not that it happens, but that more artists don't demand to sing.
Nope.Quote: thecesspitThe main act tends to be someone whose been a superstar for a long time (at least now it seems that way). Perry and Gaga are far too new.
After the "Nipple seen 'round the world," they have been going with acts that are generally safe.
It was something of a shock to me that they chose Madonna, particularly considering her history of being cutting edge / racy.
It's all listed here: http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/entertainment
2004 - Janet & Justin
2005 - Paul McCartney (can you get any more safe than Sir Paul?)
2006 - Rolling Stones
2007 - Prince
2008 - Tom Petty
2009 - Bruce Springsteen
2010 - The Who
2011 - Black Eyed Peas (halftime is starting to get over the nipple)
2012 - Madonna (and the world is focused on her fishnets...)
If you ever get a chance to see Prince live, and "kinda like" his brand of funk, do it. That show was worth every cent of the $90 I spent, even though I had behind the stage seats (he performs in the round, anyways). Phenomenal.
2012 - the world is focused on the British lady flipping the bird... I hadn't realized MIA was about my age, and started off as a art student working with Elastica's Justine Frischmann.
Quote: TiltpoulUm, ALL movie musicals (and now TV shows) operate this way. A studio recording translates better to CD/MP3 sales so they have to pre-record the music.
Pre-recording the songs predates CDs and MP3s; at least one episode of Happy Days did this. I assume it is because if you try to have the actors sing "during the taping" and have to add live musicians to it for the background, (a) the recording won't be as clear as if it was done in the studio, and (b) you don't have to worry about having to do endless takes until you get one where nobody makes a mistake.
Quote: MrVBut she hasn't had anything new out for about four years, which is forever in the music biz.
Did you not see her performing her new single, "Give Me All Your Lovin' "? It was released last week, if memory serves.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI assume it is because if you try to have the actors sing "during the taping" and have to add live musicians to it for the background, (a) the recording won't be as clear as if it was done in the studio, and (b) you don't have to worry about having to do endless takes until you get one where nobody makes a mistake.
Not to mention in movies like "The Sound of Music," or "Fiddler on the Roof" you simply can't have musicians following the actors across a location while they sing. Nor can you shoot several locations and/or sets while they sing "live." You'd have to keep the actors, and musicians, in a sound stage suitable for live music. You'd then lose all the freedom allowe dby the movie camera, and thats' the point of shooting a movie like that?
So, yes, all musicals on TV and film are lip-synched, to songs recorded in a studio prior to filming.
In live theater, though, with controlled acoustics and a live orchestra, the actors should sing live each performance. But theater is a live performance to begin with.
Quote: NareedDid you not see her performing her new single, "Give Me All Your Lovin' "? It was released last week, if memory serves.
Ah, so she has a new album coming out?
That explains her desire to perform, for free ... in support of a new release.
And no, I hadn't heard it before, it had not had airplay on the iheart stations, which of course is her target audience.
Quote: MrVDon't get me wrong, I enjoy Madonna's music: I have quite a few of her CD's, and still listen to them on occasion.
But she hasn't had anything new out for about four years, which is forever in the music biz.
Sure, she's an icon, and of a stature similar to The Who and The Stones, so I can understand them wanting her to perform, just as they dragged those dinosaurs out not too long ago.
It is just sad to now think of her as another "Geezer," getting by on what she once did, not what she's doing now.
Makes me feel sort of ... old ...
The trend and it is good IMHO is get a proven and timeless act. SB is most watched show all year so need something for everybody.
Quote: MrVAh, so she has a new album coming out?
I don't know. She does have a new single. I heard it in, of all places, a morning talk show last Friday.
I favor having Shakira over next year. I don't care for her music, but she has a great voice.
Quote: DJTeddyBearNope.
After the "Nipple seen 'round the world," they have been going with acts that are generally safe.
It was something of a shock to me that they chose Madonna, particularly considering her history of being cutting edge / racy.
It's all listed here: http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/entertainment
2004 - Janet & Justin
2005 - Paul McCartney (can you get any more safe than Sir Paul?)
2006 - Rolling Stones
2007 - Prince
2008 - Tom Petty
2009 - Bruce Springsteen
2010 - The Who
2011 - Black Eyed Peas (halftime is starting to get over the nipple)
2012 - Madonna (and the world is focused on her fishnets...)
So, if we could pick the entertainment for next year, who
would it be ? Off the top of my head:
- Elton John ?
- Aerosmith ?
Maybe the answer depends if we are picking a performer
for ourselves, or put ourselves in the shoes of the NFL.
I think their perspective might to get a young and hip act,
to try to draw in the younger TV crowd. IE:
- Katy Perry
To me, Gaga is maybe a little too over the top for this
audience.
Think about Las Vegas: how long has it been since Sin City had someone like Sinatra or even Elvis?
Celine Deon?
Garth?
Uh uh.
No top flight comedians out there these days, either: no Steve Martin, Rodney, Phyllis, Rickles, et al. (yeah, I know, Rickles is doing the Indian casino circuit: sucks to get old).
But it's no laughing matter.
Quote: MrV
No top flight comedians out there these days, either: no Steve Martin, Rodney, Phyllis, Rickles, et al. (yeah, I know, Rickles is doing the Indian casino circuit: sucks to get old).
But it's no laughing matter.
Isn't/Wasn't Jerry Seinfeld headlining Caeser's? Seems like he would qualify as top flight.
There are plenty of top name headliners that have permanent gigs in Vegas as well as more that stop by for a weekend.Quote: MrVI guess "entertainment" just ain't what it used to be.
Think about Las Vegas: how long has it been since Sin City had someone like Sinatra or even Elvis?
Celine Deon?
Garth?
Uh uh.
No top flight comedians out there these days, either: no Steve Martin, Rodney, Phyllis, Rickles, et al. (yeah, I know, Rickles is doing the Indian casino circuit: sucks to get old).
But it's no laughing matter.
Yeah, Sinatra doesn't play Vegas anymore. That's not Vegas' fault. News flash: Sinatra died. So did Elvis.
Quote: DJTeddyBearNews flash: Sinatra died. So did Elvis.
Elvis went home :P
Quote: MrVDon't get me wrong, I enjoy Madonna's music: I have quite a few of her CD's, and still listen to them on occasion.
But she hasn't had anything new out for about four years, which is forever in the music biz.
Sure, she's an icon, and of a stature similar to The Who and The Stones, so I can understand them wanting her to perform, just as they dragged those dinosaurs out not too long ago.
It is just sad to now think of her as another "Geezer," getting by on what she once did, not what she's doing now.
Makes me feel sort of ... old ...
The trend and it is good IMHO is get a proven and timeless act. SB is most watched show all year so need something for everybody.
