TheNightfly
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November 24th, 2011 at 5:51:24 PM permalink
I need a website for my business and I am looking for anyone who would be able to answer some simple questions for me. Perhaps someone who might like to have a new client. If you design websites or know about website design and you wouldn't mind answering a few basic questions, please PM me. I have a budget, a layout and pretty much all the info anyone would need to create my website, I just don't know how to do it myself.

Thanks.
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WizardofEngland
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:52:34 AM permalink
Maybe share all the info here, I can do most websites, failing that I have a friend who does very fancy java websites with content management systems etc.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
DJTeddyBear
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November 25th, 2011 at 6:14:12 AM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

Maybe share all the info here...

Good idea.



As I told TheNightFly in my PM:


I don't do design professionally, but I have done all the design work on my own sites:

http://www.Poker-For-Roulette.com/
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http://www.DaveMillerWeddings.com/
http://www.ReverendDaveMiller.com/

I also have two friends for whom I have done websites:

http://www.CampusMag.org/
http://www.JRLWorldWide.com/


I'd be happy to talk about your website needs.

Call me at 973-896-7905 or email at info @ poker-for-roulette . com (without the spaces).
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TheNightfly
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November 25th, 2011 at 10:21:08 AM permalink
I appreciate the PM's I've received from some of the members.

I have a couple of options (one "professional" website company and one freelancer) and I just have no idea what the going rate for things is. I'll be looking at a little over $10,000 once it's all said and done but it is going to be a very big site with many functions so I've more or less convinced myself it's worth the price.

I know I can do something myself for practically nothing and I know I can find someone who will do it for a lot less than $10K but I do want a site that is very stable and has practically unlimited growth potential and certain features and the freelancer really seems to know his stuff.

I guess I was just hoping someone would respond with, "You know, I'd say $10,000 is about how much you should expect to pay" so I could rest a little easier.

I tend to live by the, "You get what you pay for" motto so I tend to pay a little more than I should for things sometimes but I don't own much of anything that isn't very good quality. I just don't think I should try to do this on the cheap and then watch it all fall apart a year down the road when things are busy.
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dm
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November 25th, 2011 at 11:26:36 AM permalink
Quote: TheNightfly

I appreciate the PM's I've received from some of the members.

I have a couple of options (one "professional" website company and one freelancer) and I just have no idea what the going rate for things is. I'll be looking at a little over $10,000 once it's all said and done but it is going to be a very big site with many functions so I've more or less convinced myself it's worth the price.

I know I can do something myself for practically nothing and I know I can find someone who will do it for a lot less than $10K but I do want a site that is very stable and has practically unlimited growth potential and certain features and the freelancer really seems to know his stuff.

I guess I was just hoping someone would respond with, "You know, I'd say $10,000 is about how much you should expect to pay" so I could rest a little easier.

I tend to live by the, "You get what you pay for" motto so I tend to pay a little more than I should for things sometimes but I don't own much of anything that isn't very good quality. I just don't think I should try to do this on the cheap and then watch it all fall apart a year down the road when things are busy.




Just keep in mind you can't expect to get more than you pay for, but you can pay for more than you get. Just about everywhere, in fact.
DJTeddyBear
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November 25th, 2011 at 11:35:48 AM permalink
I already responded by PM, but here's a couple thoughts that should be made public.
Quote: TheNightfly

I guess I was just hoping someone would respond with, "You know, I'd say $10,000 is about how much you should expect to pay" so I could rest a little easier.

It's impossible to provide any real estimate without knowing more about the project. But, even based on the info provided, I'd say it's over my head and withdraw myself from consideration.


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Quote: TheNightfly

I tend to live by the, "You get what you pay for" motto so I tend to pay a little more than I should for things sometimes but I don't own much of anything that isn't very good quality. I just don't think I should try to do this on the cheap and then watch it all fall apart a year down the road when things are busy.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.
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November 25th, 2011 at 12:11:32 PM permalink
Quote: TheNightfly

I need a website for my business and I am looking for anyone who would be able to answer some simple questions for me. Perhaps someone who might like to have a new client. If you design websites or know about website design and you wouldn't mind answering a few basic questions, please PM me. I have a budget, a layout and pretty much all the info anyone would need to create my website, I just don't know how to do it myself.

Thanks.



Contact my web designer for a quote. Here is his site. I have had him for the past eight years. Very reasonable. Tell him Al sent you over.

www.chiaweb.com
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:01:43 PM permalink
Make sure the *^%&$^'s document their code. We had a site done in sitewizard in 2005. The company that did it has had 3 different waves of programmers come through there and they have made a huge mess and can't figure out how to change some elements of the site and some attached minisites. Their solution? We pay them $11,000 and they redo the site in WordPress.
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dm
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November 26th, 2011 at 2:23:59 AM permalink
Quote: TheNightfly

I appreciate the PM's I've received from some of the members.

I tend to live by the, "You get what you pay for" motto so I tend to pay a little more than I should for things sometimes but I don't own much of anything that isn't very good quality. I just don't think I should try to do this on the cheap and then watch it all fall apart a year down the road when things are busy.




I answered this once but I'm going to be more clear this time. In some cases you are not just looking to get what you pay for. Buying steak you likely get what you pay for to some extent. Buying a website design would fit the get more than you pay for goal. You might end up with what you paid for, more likely would be getting less than you paid for. But it may be a huge decision and very important to the ultimate success of your enterprise. I am an insurance agent, and I go to lots of company websites to do various rating. I have some that have such poorly functioning websites that I will only use them as a last resort. I have used this line many times, and almost no one gets my meaning: how much did your web designer PAY YOU to do your site? In many ways can I become agitated with lots of web sites. Fill in social security #-I type in 9 numbers and only three result, because the program does not auto tab to the next subset field. So 111111111 gets me 111 in the first field but nothing else, have to tab to enter 11, tab again to enter 1111. Same with phone numbers. Same with LOTS of stuff. I ask myself why it's not designed to make things as easy, intuitive as possible? I don't think I ever encounter a site that I cannot see simple ways better to make it better, more user friendly, etc. Throwing X dollars at it may get you something great, mediocre, or bad. How much did it cost Rembrandt to produce a painting? About the same as your retired, bored grandma. Someone out there can produce for you a better website than you wanted. Cost? Don't know.
ncfatcat
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November 26th, 2011 at 5:56:29 AM permalink
In the early 80's I was working for the old money country club in my home town. The Board of Directors decided to computerize so we got an IBM I believe it was an AS 200 and a software company to custom code a program for us. $25,000 later after they had worked the bugs out they began selling the program to other country clubs and did quite well with it. We paid them to beta test their program and nobody really thought about who would own the intellectual rights to the program.
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dm
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November 26th, 2011 at 8:05:59 AM permalink
Quote: ncfatcat

In the early 80's I was working for the old money country club in my home town. The Board of Directors decided to computerize so we got an IBM I believe it was an AS 200 and a software company to custom code a program for us. $25,000 later after they had worked the bugs out they began selling the program to other country clubs and did quite well with it. We paid them to beta test their program and nobody really thought about who would own the intellectual rights to the program.




Sounds like a great deal for them, maybe a great deal for you. How much were they charging new country clubs for the bugless program? Hope it was way more than $25,000. If less, then you got screwed. And, what point were you making? If none, that's OK, that's what I often do.
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November 26th, 2011 at 9:51:38 AM permalink
Quote: ncfatcat

Make sure the *^%&$^'s document their code.


Structure is possibly more important than the documentation. Too many inexperienced programmers will write a piece of code and then replicate it across the whole application. While this may same a little time during initial construction, it is a costly nightmare during maintenance. Find a bug, you have to fix it in a dozen places, usually after it has been reported a dozen different times. Want a change, you have to change it in a dozen places at twelve times the cost.

It's worth paying extra to get it done right the first time by an experienced developer than saving money now to only spend it over and over again later. When getting references, be sure to ask about follow up support and costs to make changes.
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