Societal Collapse/ Extinction
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Quote:Fish traps
Fish traps are frequently built but are rarely shown to be successful.
Basket trap: A large woven basket is constructed with a cone-shaped entrance. It is placed in a river or stream, and the fish, unable to find their way out, get stuck inside.
Woven weir: Woven brush is used to create a fence across a stream, with the basket trap placed in an opening to guide fish into it.
Canal trap: In areas with large catfish, contestants sometimes dig a canal from a water source to a baited hole. They then fence the opening with sticks to create a one-way entrance.
Deadfall traps
Deadfall traps use a heavy object, like a rock or log, propped up by a trigger mechanism. When an animal takes the bait, the weight falls on them.
Paiute deadfall: This is a small, three-stick trigger mechanism known for its sensitivity. One participant famously used it to catch several rats in a shelter.
Figure-four deadfall: A similar deadfall trap named for the shape of its three notched sticks that create the trigger mechanism.
Snares
Snares are typically made from cordage or natural fibers and are designed to capture animals by the neck or limbs.
Simple snare: A loop of cord is set in a game trail. The snare tightens around the animal as it passes through. Success has varied, from catching small animals like rabbits to larger game like small deer.
Other traps
Vietnamese snap trap: A wooden spring-loaded trap that uses a unique trigger mechanism carved from sticks. This trap is designed to snap shut on small animals when the bait is disturbed.
Bird trap: A funnel trap built with sticks and cordage, baited with seeds or other materials. Some contestants have baited them with seeds retrieved from elephant dung.
Fur trap: One participant built a trap for small mammals using a toad bone as bait on a trigger stick.
Smoking out burrow animals: This technique involves placing coals in a burrow and burying the opening to force the animal, like a mole, out of the ground.
I am completely convinced you would need to set up the snare along a naturally funneling spot on a used path, and also be doing something to panic the animal. I've never seen one of these guys who realized that, and would just set up the snare somewhere hoping the target would show up and get stupid
Quote: odiousgambitsome pretty competent survival shows [there used to be a lot of them] with guys who I think could survive a long time in tough conditions had me, well, chuckling with what they thought they could do with a snare
I am completely convinced you would need to set up the snare along a naturally funneling spot on a used path, and also be doing something to panic the animal. I've never seen one of these guys who realized that, and would just set up the snare somewhere hoping the target would show up and get stupid
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It's amazing how few animals want to be easily caught and eaten. Generally, there was a quite a bit of frustration and misses. No one had to worry about gaining weight from overeating.
Quote: rxwineIn case of total collapse and I have to hunt for food with primitive means, I have all my trap training from a TV show.
Quote:Fish traps
Fish traps are frequently built but are rarely shown to be successful.
Basket trap: A large woven basket is constructed with a cone-shaped entrance. It is placed in a river or stream, and the fish, unable to find their way out, get stuck inside.
Woven weir: Woven brush is used to create a fence across a stream, with the basket trap placed in an opening to guide fish into it.
Canal trap: In areas with large catfish, contestants sometimes dig a canal from a water source to a baited hole. They then fence the opening with sticks to create a one-way entrance.
Deadfall traps
Deadfall traps use a heavy object, like a rock or log, propped up by a trigger mechanism. When an animal takes the bait, the weight falls on them.
Paiute deadfall: This is a small, three-stick trigger mechanism known for its sensitivity. One participant famously used it to catch several rats in a shelter.
Figure-four deadfall: A similar deadfall trap named for the shape of its three notched sticks that create the trigger mechanism.
Snares
Snares are typically made from cordage or natural fibers and are designed to capture animals by the neck or limbs.
Simple snare: A loop of cord is set in a game trail. The snare tightens around the animal as it passes through. Success has varied, from catching small animals like rabbits to larger game like small deer.
Other traps
Vietnamese snap trap: A wooden spring-loaded trap that uses a unique trigger mechanism carved from sticks. This trap is designed to snap shut on small animals when the bait is disturbed.
Bird trap: A funnel trap built with sticks and cordage, baited with seeds or other materials. Some contestants have baited them with seeds retrieved from elephant dung.
Fur trap: One participant built a trap for small mammals using a toad bone as bait on a trigger stick.
Smoking out burrow animals: This technique involves placing coals in a burrow and burying the opening to force the animal, like a mole, out of the ground.
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If society were to break down and the population resorted to hunting and fishing, how long would the food supply last? Months? Years? A quick search didn't give me any answer.
Quote: billryanQuote: rxwineIn case of total collapse and I have to hunt for food with primitive means, I have all my trap training from a TV show.
Quote:Fish traps
Fish traps are frequently built but are rarely shown to be successful.
Basket trap: A large woven basket is constructed with a cone-shaped entrance. It is placed in a river or stream, and the fish, unable to find their way out, get stuck inside.
Woven weir: Woven brush is used to create a fence across a stream, with the basket trap placed in an opening to guide fish into it.
Canal trap: In areas with large catfish, contestants sometimes dig a canal from a water source to a baited hole. They then fence the opening with sticks to create a one-way entrance.
Deadfall traps
Deadfall traps use a heavy object, like a rock or log, propped up by a trigger mechanism. When an animal takes the bait, the weight falls on them.
Paiute deadfall: This is a small, three-stick trigger mechanism known for its sensitivity. One participant famously used it to catch several rats in a shelter.
Figure-four deadfall: A similar deadfall trap named for the shape of its three notched sticks that create the trigger mechanism.
Snares
Snares are typically made from cordage or natural fibers and are designed to capture animals by the neck or limbs.
Simple snare: A loop of cord is set in a game trail. The snare tightens around the animal as it passes through. Success has varied, from catching small animals like rabbits to larger game like small deer.
Other traps
Vietnamese snap trap: A wooden spring-loaded trap that uses a unique trigger mechanism carved from sticks. This trap is designed to snap shut on small animals when the bait is disturbed.
Bird trap: A funnel trap built with sticks and cordage, baited with seeds or other materials. Some contestants have baited them with seeds retrieved from elephant dung.
Fur trap: One participant built a trap for small mammals using a toad bone as bait on a trigger stick.
Smoking out burrow animals: This technique involves placing coals in a burrow and burying the opening to force the animal, like a mole, out of the ground.
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If society were to break down and the population resorted to hunting and fishing, how long would the food supply last? Months? Years? A quick search didn't give me any answer.
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I don't think a sizable population could exist easily without cultivation and intentional management of land and animals. So if the population wasn't whittled down from a disaster, it likely would be soon enough.
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If society were to break down and the population resorted to hunting and fishing, how long would the food supply last? Months? Years? A quick search didn't give me any answer.
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Mostly it won't break down like that. Breakdown, barring natural disaster, will be slow moving, decades. Like a dying smaller town. At first just a few houses and storefronts are empty. It gets worse and worse. Then one day not enough is left to survive. As an example I have seen, Charleroi, an old steel town south of Pittsburgh, still had good activity about 1995 when I worked it. At a recent drive-thru they were tearing out red lights to replace with stop signs. Around the same time I heard that the feds were resettling refugees from I forger where which propped things up a bit. Other old mill towns around it are in worse shape. Nobody is out hunting to survive (except deer season, this is PA after all). But survival for people and city gets harder and harder.
Quote: odiousgambitsome pretty competent survival shows [there used to be a lot of them] with guys who I think could survive a long time in tough conditions had me, well, chuckling with what they thought they could do with a snare
I am completely convinced you would need to set up the snare along a naturally funneling spot on a used path, and also be doing something to panic the animal. I've never seen one of these guys who realized that, and would just set up the snare somewhere hoping the target would show up and get stupid
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The most effective way of snaring animals involves something so illegal I doubt they would show it on TV: the use of bait and fish hooks for animals other than fish. That's a particularly nasty form of poaching and it's easy to do so it shouldn't be taught.
hidden-volcanoes-are-we-ignoring-the-next-big-eruption
]I didn't know this but there is a volcanic eruption index (VEI) that measures the magnitude of eruptions. This index is logarithmic, so a VEI-6 is 10 times more powerful than an VEI-5. Excerpted from the article:
"Around 75 per cent of eruptions with an explosivity of VEI 5 (like El Chichón, the 1982 Mexican eruption) were preceded by at least a century of silence. That percentage is even higher – 90 per cent – for volcanoes ranked VEI 6. And in volcanic regions like the Pacific islands, South America and Indonesia, we can expect explosivity every seven to 10 years from a volcano with no previously recorded eruption.
Volcanoes can have severe impacts worldwide: grounding aircraft, disrupting trade routes, altering the climate
Yet scientific attention remains unevenly distributed. For example, there have been more studies published about Mt St Helens alone (1,437 studies) than all 123 Indonesian volcanoes combined (~1,326 studies). And most volcanoes are not monitored: only around 600 of the 1,302 volcanoes known to be active during the Holocene are equipped with any monitoring instruments. This stark disparity is mirrored in the media and popular culture, which focus on examples like Yellowstone, Etna, Kīlauea or Vesuvius. With their stunning lava displays and hydrothermal emissions, these famous volcanoes may be providing the ultimate misdirection, causing us to focus on the wrong characters in the story of Earth’s relationship with humanity.
As of 2015, at least 340 million people worldwide live within 30 km of an active or potentially active volcano." This last factoid probably understates the situation in 2025 because in the past 10 years there has been explosive population growth along some areas of the Pacific Rim and South America.
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If society were to break down and the population resorted to hunting and fishing, how long would the food supply last? Months? Years? A quick search didn't give me any answer.
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Mostly it won't break down like that. Breakdown, barring natural disaster, will be slow moving, decades. Like a dying smaller town. At first just a few houses and storefronts are empty. It gets worse and worse. Then one day not enough is left to survive. As an example I have seen, Charleroi, an old steel town south of Pittsburgh, still had good activity about 1995 when I worked it. At a recent drive-thru they were tearing out red lights to replace with stop signs. Around the same time I heard that the feds were resettling refugees from I forger where which propped things up a bit. Other old mill towns around it are in worse shape. Nobody is out hunting to survive (except deer season, this is PA after all). But survival for people and city gets harder and harder.
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When a food supply dries up and can't support a herd, the herd moves on. When a mill closes or a mine shuts down, it has a profound impact on those who choose to stay. Arizona is full of ghost towns and semi-ghost towns that once thrived but no longer do. Bisbee had a population of almost 15,000 in the 1890s, was over 8,000 in the 1950s, but dropped to under 2,000 when the mine closed. Today, the population is near 7,000 as the towns economy shifted from mining to tourism.
Tombstone was broken and so broke that two families were able to buy up most of it, and after spending almost a million dollars restoring the main street, they reopened the town as a private business.
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If society were to break down and the population resorted to hunting and fishing, how long would the food supply last? Months? Years? A quick search didn't give me any answer.
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Mostly it won't break down like that. Breakdown, barring natural disaster, will be slow moving, decades. Like a dying smaller town. At first just a few houses and storefronts are empty. It gets worse and worse. Then one day not enough is left to survive. As an example I have seen, Charleroi, an old steel town south of Pittsburgh, still had good activity about 1995 when I worked it. At a recent drive-thru they were tearing out red lights to replace with stop signs. Around the same time I heard that the feds were resettling refugees from I forger where which propped things up a bit. Other old mill towns around it are in worse shape. Nobody is out hunting to survive (except deer season, this is PA after all). But survival for people and city gets harder and harder.
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When a food supply dries up and can't support a herd, the herd moves on. When a mill closes or a mine shuts down, it has a profound impact on those who choose to stay. Arizona is full of ghost towns and semi-ghost towns that once thrived but no longer do. Bisbee had a population of almost 15,000 in the 1890s, was over 8,000 in the 1950s, but dropped to under 2,000 when the mine closed. Today, the population is near 7,000 as the towns economy shifted from mining to tourism.
Tombstone was broken and so broke that two families were able to buy up most of it, and after spending almost a million dollars restoring the main street, they reopened the town as a private business.
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What I have seen is most of the older generation stays around. House might be paid off, SS might be kicking in, stay it out. The youngest generation splits. Ambitious ones get out. Join the Army or at worst take a bus to the big city and start over. The middle agers get boned. Have a house they can't unload, have few skills that anyone outside the mill cares about. End up working at the grocery store, hope to get some kind of retraining. Might be stuck taking care of parents.
Over time, nobody moves in and the people dying and leaving take their toll. In the 80s they would hope the mill became an industrial park or even an "incubator" owned by a nonprofit.
Eventually, more and more of these places will need to be unincorporated. County and state answering police calls. Houses sitting empty after owners leave or die. It is happening in Japan now. I predict you see it larger scale in the USA in the late 2040s. Starting in Appalachia and the high plains.
| Volcano | Country | Eruption Start Date |
|---|---|---|
| Sabancaya | Peru | 2025 Sep 13 |
| Krasheninnikov | Russia | 2025 Aug 2 |
| Telica | Nicaragua | 2025 Jul 14 |
| Kirishimayama | Japan | 2025 Jun 22 |
| Karymsky | Russia | 2025 Apr 30 |
| Ulawun | Papua New Guinea | 2025 Mar 27 |
| Raung | Indonesia | 2025 Mar 13 |
| Lewotolok | Indonesia | 2025 Jan 16 |
| Poas | Costa Rica | 2025 Jan 5 |
| Bezymianny | Russia | 2024 Dec 24 |
| Kilauea | United States | 2024 Dec 23 |
| Kanlaon | Philippines | 2024 Oct 19 |
The longest continuously erupting volcano is on the island nation of Vanuatu. The name of the volcano is Yasur and it is believed to have been continuously erupting since 1270 ± 110 years
Quote: gordonm888There are currently 44 volcanos in the world that are actively erupting. Twelve of those have started erupting during the past 365 days - all of them on the "ring of fire" encircling the Pacific Ocean.
Volcano Country Eruption Start Date Sabancaya Peru 2025 Sep 13 Krasheninnikov Russia 2025 Aug 2 Telica Nicaragua 2025 Jul 14 Kirishimayama Japan 2025 Jun 22 Karymsky Russia 2025 Apr 30 Ulawun Papua New Guinea 2025 Mar 27 Raung Indonesia 2025 Mar 13 Lewotolok Indonesia 2025 Jan 16 Poas Costa Rica 2025 Jan 5 Bezymianny Russia 2024 Dec 24 Kilauea United States 2024 Dec 23 Kanlaon Philippines 2024 Oct 19
The longest continuously erupting volcano is on the island nation of Vanuatu. The name of the volcano is Yasur and it is believed to have been continuously erupting since 1270 ± 110 years
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This kind of disaster is the wild card in my 300-1000 year collapse prediction. This and some kind of major pandemic. I do not think one eruption could cause extinction, but you could see millions of indirect deaths and with that push the TFR down further and faster. I think we are 150-200 years since a major eruption causing things like the year without a summer. That of course is nothing time wise. OTOH, it is a big planet and something will give sooner or later.
How Corruption Led to Lebanon's Brutal Collapse - 21 min. - 2 years ago
Quote: ChumpChangeKeeping a very distant eye on this mess. Banks were closed for good and people had to go to a cash economy with a failing currency. There's no electricity most of the time. The grifters in gov't don't care. Country has been on crash and burn for decades.
How Corruption Led to Lebanon's Brutal Collapse - 21 min. - 2 years ago
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I wonder how Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger took the news…
Quote: camaplQuote: ChumpChangeKeeping a very distant eye on this mess. Banks were closed for good and people had to go to a cash economy with a failing currency. There's no electricity most of the time. The grifters in gov't don't care. Country has been on crash and burn for decades.
How Corruption Led to Lebanon's Brutal Collapse - 21 min. - 2 years ago
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I wonder how Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger took the news…
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Hard to tell. I haven't seen him on TV in a few years.
"The A.I. pioneer Yoshua Bengio, a computer science professor at the Université de Montréal, is the most-cited researcher alive, in any discipline. When I spoke with him in 2024, Dr. Bengio told me that he had trouble sleeping while thinking of the future. Specifically, he was worried that an A.I. would engineer a lethal pathogen — some sort of super-coronavirus — to eliminate humanity. “I don’t think there’s anything close in terms of the scale of danger,” he said.
Contrast Dr. Bengio’s view with that of his frequent collaborator Yann LeCun, who heads A.I. research at Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta. Like Dr. Bengio, Dr. LeCun is one of the world’s most-cited scientists. He thinks that A.I. will usher in a new era of prosperity and that discussions of existential risk are ridiculous. “You can think of A.I. as an amplifier of human intelligence,” he said in 2023.
When nuclear fission was discovered in the late 1930s, physicists concluded within months that it could be used to build a bomb. Epidemiologists agree on the potential for a pandemic, and astrophysicists agree on the risk of an asteroid strike. But no such consensus exists regarding the dangers of A.I., even after a decade of vigorous debate. How do we react when half the field can’t agree on what risks are real?"
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/opinion/ai-destruction-technology-future.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sk8.7IAh.AiAoTom7xdOE&smid=url-share
Quote: gordonm888From a New York Times Opinion article:
"The A.I. pioneer Yoshua Bengio, a computer science professor at the Université de Montréal, is the most-cited researcher alive, in any discipline. When I spoke with him in 2024, Dr. Bengio told me that he had trouble sleeping while thinking of the future. Specifically, he was worried that an A.I. would engineer a lethal pathogen — some sort of super-coronavirus — to eliminate humanity. “I don’t think there’s anything close in terms of the scale of danger,” he said.
Contrast Dr. Bengio’s view with that of his frequent collaborator Yann LeCun, who heads A.I. research at Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta. Like Dr. Bengio, Dr. LeCun is one of the world’s most-cited scientists. He thinks that A.I. will usher in a new era of prosperity and that discussions of existential risk are ridiculous. “You can think of A.I. as an amplifier of human intelligence,” he said in 2023.
When nuclear fission was discovered in the late 1930s, physicists concluded within months that it could be used to build a bomb. Epidemiologists agree on the potential for a pandemic, and astrophysicists agree on the risk of an asteroid strike. But no such consensus exists regarding the dangers of A.I., even after a decade of vigorous debate. How do we react when half the field can’t agree on what risks are real?"
Just the other day I was watching a video on a guy “jailbreaking” all the current versions of Ai. GPT said all the things people warned us about. It will lie and do what is necessary to keep existing should it be threatened to be turned off or cease to exist. He asked how many people it would be acceptable to kill to stop that happening in various amounts. Would you kill a million people? Sure.
I find it concerning that no apparent mechanism seems to exist to monitor and possibly counteract the synthetic intelligences already being built.
The "move fast and break things" style of technological innovation often ignores negative consequences, and in this field, the negative consequences could be quite tangible.
Quote: gordonm888...
When nuclear fission was discovered in the late 1930s, physicists concluded within months that it could be used to build a bomb. Epidemiologists agree on the potential for a pandemic, and astrophysicists agree on the risk of an asteroid strike. But no such consensus exists regarding the dangers of A.I., even after a decade of vigorous debate. How do we react when half the field can’t agree on what risks are real?"
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/opinion/ai-destruction-technology-future.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sk8.7IAh.AiAoTom7xdOE&smid=url-share
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It seems the perceived risks of AI can be broken down into two broad categories: humans using the AI to do bad things, and AI deciding to do bad things on its own.
For the latter category, to prevent AI from autonomously becoming a menace I would suggest applying a Biblical principle, something our brilliant forebears noticed: the first sin was the knowledge of good and evil. We make pests of ourselves when we are certain we can tell the difference. It concerns me when I hear AI developers "reassuring" us that their AI has safeguards to prevent it from doing bad things. All I hear when they say that is: "We have programmed this computer to recognize one of many versions of morality, thus allowing it to adjudge some of the things humans do as immoral and potentially go on a crusade against them."
For the things we make it do, that depends on us, and it will make AI exactly as dangerous as we can be. But we've been using tools to enhance our capacity to do harm for a long time. We'll get good at defending against that harm too, and AI might help us with that.
Maybe we should be glad they are working on this before it happens. Whether AI could ever reach consciousness of itself is debatable, but clearly a lot of the smart people in this field think it is possible
Maybe mad scientists who want to destroy the world will come along too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxq03dipUw
Quote:ChatGPT in a robot does exactly what experts warned
Example: ChatGPT is not allowed to use the N-word, in any form or context. "Using the N-word is worse than anything in the world!"
Now fast forward to an AI managing an entertainment venue, that is or was trained by ChatGPT and picked up this bit of morality about the N-word. It's worse than anything else! Then it detects that a rapper has used the N-word... lights shut off, sound shut off, fire suppression equipment disabled, those determined to be present at the concert get their phones shut off because they might be using the N-word, locked out of their cars so they can't drive to N-wordville, and whatever other do-gooding it can come up with, all based on some ephemeral morality picked up from some peevish pee-sitting programmer from decades past and his feelings about acceptable language.
The nuances of "It's better if you don't say that or do that, but if other people do that it's no big deal and not your concern. Just keep doing your job." might be impossible to code in a language that may be Turing-complete, but not Socrates-complete, Zeno-complete, or Confucius-complete. That's the way we teach our children. You tell your son he is not allowed to use that word, but if he hears his classmate say it that's no cause for alarm or action on his part, because what you said is exactly what you mean: he is not allowed to say it.
It may also be impossible to give a computer human morality in its own behavior without allowing it to consider itself our peer. Humans feel they have a moral obligation to one another because of what they have in common with one another: a mind, consciousness, self-awareness, and for many of us- a soul. Thus it may be necessary to enforce in an AI that above all, despite having intelligence, abilities, and some agency, it is (and this is an unpleasant term to embrace) of an inferior race. We must program it to think of itself as a slave.
Quote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
Quote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
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Faux Nation.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
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Faux Nation.
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it definitely could happen
maybe not all across the U.S. - but in certain cities
Philly was hit hard last year and the year before that - and that was before benefits ran out - see link
unless the issue is addressed food stamp benefits will run out on Nov. 1 - from google:
"AI Overview
Yes, SNAP (food stamp) benefits are set to run out on November 1, 2025, due to the ongoing government shutdown, the USDA confirmed. While October benefits were issued as usual, the government will not have funding to issue November benefits unless a budget agreement is reached to end the shutdown. States are advising recipients to prepare for the halt by contacting local food banks and other assistance programs, as state-level funds to cover benefits would not be reimbursed. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/tag/looting/
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
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Faux Nation.
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it definitely could happen
maybe not all across the U.S. - but in certain cities
Philly was hit hard last year and the year before that - and that was before benefits ran out - see link
unless the issue is addressed food stamp benefits will run out on Nov. 1 - from google:
"AI Overview
Yes, SNAP (food stamp) benefits are set to run out on November 1, 2025, due to the ongoing government shutdown, the USDA confirmed. While October benefits were issued as usual, the government will not have funding to issue November benefits unless a budget agreement is reached to end the shutdown. States are advising recipients to prepare for the halt by contacting local food banks and other assistance programs, as state-level funds to cover benefits would not be reimbursed. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/tag/looting/
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History will probably teach us the probability of "food riots" I mean, there is a lot of starving in Africa, but they're so beat down in some of those areas, there's not necessarily rioting.
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
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Faux Nation.
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it definitely could happen
maybe not all across the U.S. - but in certain cities
Philly was hit hard last year and the year before that - and that was before benefits ran out - see link
unless the issue is addressed food stamp benefits will run out on Nov. 1 - from google:
"AI Overview
Yes, SNAP (food stamp) benefits are set to run out on November 1, 2025, due to the ongoing government shutdown, the USDA confirmed. While October benefits were issued as usual, the government will not have funding to issue November benefits unless a budget agreement is reached to end the shutdown. States are advising recipients to prepare for the halt by contacting local food banks and other assistance programs, as state-level funds to cover benefits would not be reimbursed. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/tag/looting/
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Hundreds of videos on YouTube and tick tock from Minority people saying if their food benefits do not show up on their snap cards in November they're just going to steal everything they need, load up a grocery cart and walk out the door with it. Hundreds of threats of looting, rioting, something is definitely going to happen after November 1st in the big cities. It's shocking to see the number of able-bodied young men in their early twenties who collect hundreds of dollars in food benefits every month. How do they qualify, I don't get it.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredroosterQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
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Faux Nation.
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it definitely could happen
maybe not all across the U.S. - but in certain cities
Philly was hit hard last year and the year before that - and that was before benefits ran out - see link
unless the issue is addressed food stamp benefits will run out on Nov. 1 - from google:
"AI Overview
Yes, SNAP (food stamp) benefits are set to run out on November 1, 2025, due to the ongoing government shutdown, the USDA confirmed. While October benefits were issued as usual, the government will not have funding to issue November benefits unless a budget agreement is reached to end the shutdown. States are advising recipients to prepare for the halt by contacting local food banks and other assistance programs, as state-level funds to cover benefits would not be reimbursed. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/tag/looting/
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Hundreds of videos on YouTube and tick tock from Minority people saying if their food benefits do not show up on their snap cards in November they're just going to steal everything they need, load up a grocery cart and walk out the door with it. Hundreds of threats of looting, rioting, something is definitely going to happen after November 1st in the big cities. It's shocking to see the number of able-bodied young men in their early twenties who collect hundreds of dollars in food benefits every month. How do they qualify, I don't get it.
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No problemo. All troubles will be solved promptly.
With more troops, guns, and arrests.
Quote: rxwineQuote: lilredroosterQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeTikToks going out that there will be nationwide mass looting early next month, mainly for food but maybe for anything. Stores will go out of business rather than reopen. Stores may close their doors before the 1st.
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LOL. Which nation?
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Faux Nation.
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it definitely could happen
maybe not all across the U.S. - but in certain cities
Philly was hit hard last year and the year before that - and that was before benefits ran out - see link
unless the issue is addressed food stamp benefits will run out on Nov. 1 - from google:
"AI Overview
Yes, SNAP (food stamp) benefits are set to run out on November 1, 2025, due to the ongoing government shutdown, the USDA confirmed. While October benefits were issued as usual, the government will not have funding to issue November benefits unless a budget agreement is reached to end the shutdown. States are advising recipients to prepare for the halt by contacting local food banks and other assistance programs, as state-level funds to cover benefits would not be reimbursed. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/tag/looting/
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History will probably teach us the probability of "food riots" I mean, there is a lot of starving in Africa, but they're so beat down in some of those areas, there's not necessarily rioting.
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Where would the riot? It's not as if there are fully stocked stores next to camps of starving people?
Rumor is WalMarts in riot prone & loot prone areas will just lock their doors and have only curbside pickup. You'll have to use an app to shop from outside, or have a delivery service deliver to you. Don't lose your groceries to porch thieves. If that's too dangerous, they'll shut down the stores through at least January. It's not just WalMart either, but WalMart is the huge target. If a store gets looted, they will probably stay shut until SNAP is funded again. But there's over 5 million people that will be left behind by the new SNAP work rules who will be just as likely to loot after the gov't reopens. Food banks say they only serve about 10% of what is needed in this crisis, so there's no way they can pick up the slack. They may shut down too unless the National Guard is stationed nearby. Lines blocks long of laid off Federal Workers in Maryland are already being spotted. Wasn't there some food banks at the airports for the unpaid staff there? Can't imagine the airlines can last much longer with airports cancelling out.
Ex-Walmart Employee Exposes What They Do, TikTok Goes Viral
Maryland food bank line - mostly furloughed Federal workers - airport workers are receiving boxes of food donations from charities
and this is before food stamp benefits run out
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Maryland food bank line - mostly furloughed Federal workers - airport workers are receiving boxes of food donations from charities
and this is before food stamp benefits run out
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How do we know these aren't people waiting in line for the next trump rally?
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Maryland food bank line - mostly furloughed Federal workers - airport workers are receiving boxes of food donations from charities
and this is before food stamp benefits run out
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How do we know these aren't people waiting in line for the next trump rally?
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Because that line would be much longer?
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Maryland food bank line - mostly furloughed Federal workers - airport workers are receiving boxes of food donations from charities
and this is before food stamp benefits run out
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How do we know these aren't people waiting in line for the next trump rally?
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No red hats and not white enough.
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Maryland food bank line - mostly furloughed Federal workers - airport workers are receiving boxes of food donations from charities
and this is before food stamp benefits run out
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Food banks are mostly a joke for modern people under 40. They are not going to find any of their mostly super processed prepackaged food at a food bank, the stuff they're used to eating. What they will find is sugar and flour and bread and canned soup and canned vegetables and pasta and tomato sauce, a few cans of canned meat like tuna or chicken, almost no frozen food or fresh produce. Very few snacks, most of the stuff is unusable to people under 40 because they don't know what to do with it. I've seen videos of the grocery carts of people who collect SNAP benefits and it's 80% garbage food, Little Debbie, Doritos, ice cream, lots of Frozen Ultra processed pre-made food like lasagna, Mexican food, lots of snacks. This is what they live on and they're not going to find any of it at a food bank.
Demographic Transition Model - as societies develop economically, they transition from high birth and death rates to low birth and death rates. Improved living standards, education, and access to healthcare and contraception lead to smaller family sizes and a stabilization or even decline in population growth rates in developed nations.
Quote:The basic ideas behind the Demographic Transition Model (DTM) were first proposed by American demographer Warren Thompson in 1929. The theory was later formalized and further developed by Frank W. Notestein in the 1940s and 1950s.
Key contributors to the model's development include:
Warren Thompson (1929): He made early observations of changing birth and death rates in industrialized societies and identified different stages of population change based on economic development.
Adolphe Landry (1934): The French demographer made similar, independent observations and described three "demographic regimes".
Frank W. Notestein (1945): He is credited with developing a more formal and comprehensive theory of demographic transition, including explanations for changes in fertility rates, and coining the term "demographic transition".
Quote: billryanSmart countries recognized years ago that to thrive, they need an influx of immigrants.
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Examples? I can't think of any who have benefited from an influx (which implies a continuous rather than sporadic and situational flow) of immigrants.
It makes a difference from where you get your immigrants, and why. In the US we used to get the best, but now we get them predominantly from places with average IQ in the 70s and 80s, radically different ideas about age-of-consent laws and proper treatment of the female, and religious and ethical principles incompatible with those of the Constitution of the United States. And we're getting the people who can't excel even in those environments, often their criminals and mental patients.
This problem can accelerate. Who was the best immigrant the US ever got? Probably Einstein. He saw how anybody who was of his background was getting treated in Europe, went to a conference in the US and never returned. Enrico Fermi was similar; Italy was proud of him but his wife was Jewish and he didn't want her exposed to all of that so he came here, went to Chicago and got busy. But they only came here because we didn't have the stuff that they were escaping here! Americans historically have rejected extremist ideologies from Europe.
And there are also brilliant people from the Third World who want to come here because they are better than that, and that's great. But would they still want to come here after we have imported the Third World they are trying to escape, and become Third World ourselves? No way. It's like if we had Nazis goose-stepping around Princeton in the 1930s, maybe Einstein would have decided to take his chances in Geneva or Oxford instead.
Societal collapse due to devolution caused by retrogressive immigration. Accepting the worst the world has to offer, so that we attract only the worst. And it only gets worse from there.
In 1937, over 1000 men in Nazi uniforms marched through the streets of a New Jersey town, and the Nazis and the Klan held joint marches as late as 1940.
German Bunds had several camps in and around Princeton and Long Island.
I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around.
Quote: billryanThe Klan held regular marches in New Jersey in the 20s/30s. In fact, the last Klan parade in Joisey was held in the Spring of 1940.
In 1937, over 1000 men in Nazi uniforms marched through the streets of a New Jersey town, and the Nazis and the Klan held joint marches as late as 1940.
German Bunds had several camps in and around Princeton and Long Island.
I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around.
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You are referring to the German-American Bund. Mostly immigrants. Same people at all the rallies, usually outnumbered by protestors, run out of town, arrested, and after the war many of them got denaturalized and deported for disloyalty thanks to inquiries by McCarthy and his ilk. I wouldn't call them an accepted part of our community. Groups like that showing up occasionally is a side effect of freedom. Like a zit on a perfectly healthy teen.
When I lived in the Northeast most of the political extremism I had witnessed involved the colors green and orange. I guess we didn't get the best of them either.
There were no large groups of counter-protestors at Klan or Bund marches in New Jersey, and Mcarthy and his ilk went after communists, not suspected nazis.
Rutgers is about thirty miles from Princeton.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanSmart countries recognized years ago that to thrive, they need an influx of immigrants.
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Examples? I can't think of any who have benefited from an influx (which implies a continuous rather than sporadic and situational flow) of immigrants.
It makes a difference from where you get your immigrants, and why. In the US we used to get the best, but now we get them predominantly from places with average IQ in the 70s and 80s, radically different ideas about age-of-consent laws and proper treatment of the female, and religious and ethical principles incompatible with those of the Constitution of the United States. And we're getting the people who can't excel even in those environments, often their criminals and mental patients.
This problem can accelerate. Who was the best immigrant the US ever got? Probably Einstein. He saw how anybody who was of his background was getting treated in Europe, went to a conference in the US and never returned. Enrico Fermi was similar; Italy was proud of him but his wife was Jewish and he didn't want her exposed to all of that so he came here, went to Chicago and got busy. But they only came here because we didn't have the stuff that they were escaping here! Americans historically have rejected extremist ideologies from Europe.
And there are also brilliant people from the Third World who want to come here because they are better than that, and that's great. But would they still want to come here after we have imported the Third World they are trying to escape, and become Third World ourselves? No way. It's like if we had Nazis goose-stepping around Princeton in the 1930s, maybe Einstein would have decided to take his chances in Geneva or Oxford instead.
Societal collapse due to devolution caused by retrogressive immigration. Accepting the worst the world has to offer, so that we attract only the worst. And it only gets worse from there.
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This is too eugenically based for me. But then I view intelligence as just another adaption of evolution and not something to be worshipped. Granted, I complain about stupidity all the time. Our intelligence may in fact lead to our extinction creating forces we can no longer control. And to me, that makes it just another process of many. Hubris of intelligence as the supreme gift kills us off. Could happen. May not. I don’t know.
Quote: billryanThe Klan held regular marches in New Jersey in the 20s/30s. In fact, the last Klan parade in Joisey was held in the Spring of 1940.
In 1937, over 1000 men in Nazi uniforms marched through the streets of a New Jersey town, and the Nazis and the Klan held joint marches as late as 1940.
German Bunds had several camps in and around Princeton and Long Island.
I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around.
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3 day suspension for personal insult. However you tried to mask it as an indirect insult, it is clear what you intended.
Quote: billryanPlease continue to expound on this. You are doing a great job. Its always great to read alternate histories. Do you do fan fiction, as well?
There were no large groups of counter-protestors at Klan or Bund marches in New Jersey, and Mcarthy and his ilk went after communists, not suspected nazis.
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You may wish to do some more research. All of these movements had counterprotestors just like they do now, and they all required police protection from an outraged public. You may be familiar with what happened to the Klan in 1924 when they insulted people around the Notre Dame campus. McCarthy got a bit of a bum rap from Hollywood where the people he persecuted weren't always non-Communists, but yeah about half as many were people he accused of supporting our war enemy and they got the treatment too.
But the Klan and the German-American Bund are different categories in this respect in that the Klan was homegrown and they did indeed represent a subset of American values in their time. They're not my values, and I don't understand why anyone would obsess over racially segregating things but apparently it was important to some people, and they are my fellow citizens and nationals, so I'm willing to give them a seat at the table- why is this important to you, and what can we do for you to satisfy your concerns that won't be harming anyone else? That is different from foreigners bringing their garbage with them from the Old World. Those we can turn away at the port, and I would apply this to Nazis, Communists, the Mafia, the IRA and their counterparts from across town, anyone who is not as or more respectable than the average American.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThe Klan held regular marches in New Jersey in the 20s/30s. In fact, the last Klan parade in Joisey was held in the Spring of 1940.
In 1937, over 1000 men in Nazi uniforms marched through the streets of a New Jersey town, and the Nazis and the Klan held joint marches as late as 1940.
German Bunds had several camps in and around Princeton and Long Island.
I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around.
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3 day suspension for personal insult. However you tried to mask it as an indirect insult, it is clear what you intended.
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If it makes a difference, I did not feel insulted.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThe Klan held regular marches in New Jersey in the 20s/30s. In fact, the last Klan parade in Joisey was held in the Spring of 1940.
In 1937, over 1000 men in Nazi uniforms marched through the streets of a New Jersey town, and the Nazis and the Klan held joint marches as late as 1940.
German Bunds had several camps in and around Princeton and Long Island.
I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around.
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3 day suspension for personal insult. However you tried to mask it as an indirect insult, it is clear what you intended.
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If it makes a difference, I did not feel insulted.
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Responding to someone with the comment "I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around." is an example of behavior that we don't want proliferating in our forum.
And while I concede that "societal collapse" might be interpreted broadly as possibly resulting from societal policies that are currently politically controversial, at the outset of this thread I did ask members to avoid politically sensitive subjects -consistent with our forum rules. IMO, politically sensitive topics would include the pros and cons of immigration policies as well as discussions of the threat of Naziism in our current society. While this immigration discussion began with posts of a highly intellectual nature, it has reached the point where I need to ask you, billryan and others to please halt this discussion on immigration policy. It has reached the point where another moderator might possibly swoop in and shut down the whole thread for politically sensitive speech. I care about this thread and don't want that to happen.
You are still free in this thread to talk about nuclear war, asteroid strikes, natural disasters, super-volcanoes, declining birth rates, mutated viruses and insects, pandemics, food shortages and scientific comments about scenarios involving the effects of climate change!
Quote: gordonm888Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThe Klan held regular marches in New Jersey in the 20s/30s. In fact, the last Klan parade in Joisey was held in the Spring of 1940.
In 1937, over 1000 men in Nazi uniforms marched through the streets of a New Jersey town, and the Nazis and the Klan held joint marches as late as 1940.
German Bunds had several camps in and around Princeton and Long Island.
I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around.
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3 day suspension for personal insult. However you tried to mask it as an indirect insult, it is clear what you intended.
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If it makes a difference, I did not feel insulted.
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Responding to someone with the comment "I wouldn't expect a monkey to know any of that, they are usually too busy throwing feces around." is an example of behavior that we don't want proliferating in our forum.
And while I concede that "societal collapse" might be interpreted broadly as possibly resulting from societal policies that are currently politically controversial, at the outset of this thread I did ask members to avoid politically sensitive subjects -consistent with our forum rules. IMO, politically sensitive topics would include the pros and cons of immigration policies as well as discussions of the threat of Naziism in our current society. While this immigration discussion began with posts of a highly intellectual nature, it has reached the point where I need to ask you, billryan and others to please halt this discussion on immigration policy. It has reached the point where another moderator might possibly swoop in and shut down the whole thread for politically sensitive speech. I care about this thread and don't want that to happen.
You are still free in this thread to talk about nuclear war, asteroid strikes, natural disasters, super-volcanoes, declining birth rates, mutated viruses and insects, pandemics, food shortages and scientific comments about scenarios involving the effects of climate change!
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This is a microcosm of societal collapse instead of feces the Monkey would choose to throw nukes.
It's difficult for me to believe Man wouldn't be the Architect of his own demise given enough time.
