Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
the other show I loved which was before "Law and Order SVU" was "Law and Order which focused on homicides in NYC (the show ended in 2010)
many of the shows episodes were based on real events
like me, you may have thought that there is a much higher homicide clearance rate now than in the 60s due to cameras being just about everywhere and Dna
but as before, after searching, I was quite surprised - that is not the case
nationally only about one half of all homicides are currently solved - the figure was over 90% in the 60s
this is what I found while searching
"the national homicide clearance rate is significantly lower today than it was in the 1960s. While police in the 1960s boasted a clearance rate of over 90 percent, current data shows that the national rate hovers around 50 to 51 percent.
The decline in case clearance has been a steady, decades-long trend driven by a combination of evolving crime patterns and changes in policing standards. Criminologists attribute this drop to several main factors:
Changing Crime Dynamics:
In the 1960s, a larger share of murders involved domestic disputes or acquaintances, which are generally easier to solve. Today, a higher percentage of homicides involve strangers or gang-related activity, which yield fewer immediate leads.
Increased Evidentiary Standards:
The threshold for making an arrest has rightfully become much stricter. The "tricks" or lower evidentiary bars used in the 1960s led to wrongful convictions that would later be overturned. Modern investigations demand more rigorous forensic and digital evidence, which takes time to process.
Community Trust:
In many jurisdictions, a lack of trust and cooperation between law enforcement and local communities results in a "wall of silence," severely hindering witness testimonies.
Resource Strain:
High caseloads per detective and staff shortages in crime labs can delay the processing of evidence, causing cases to go cold before an arrest can be made."
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the other show I loved which was before "Law and Order SVU" was "Law and Order which focused on homicides in NYC (the show ended in 2010)
A few years ago I fell asleep with the TV on. When I was waking up I was listening to the TV but still had my eyes closed and didn't see it. After about 20 minutes of listening to this unknown show, I realized it was very interesting and good. When I finally opened my eyes I checked the channel guide to see what the show was. It was a new show to me called Law & Order. When I looked it up apparently it was a show that was over 20 years old and I had never seen it. Honestly, I still haven't seen it as I watch very little TV other than sports. Some day after I retire maybe I will binge watch it.
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the other show I loved which was before "Law and Order SVU" was "Law and Order which focused on homicides in NYC (the show ended in 2010)
A few years ago I fell asleep with the TV on. When I was waking up I was listening to the TV but still had my eyes closed and didn't see it. After about 20 minutes of listening to this unknown show, I realized it was very interesting and good. When I finally opened my eyes I checked the channel guide to see what the show was. It was a new show to me called Law & Order. When I looked it up apparently it was a show that was over 20 years old and I had never seen it. Honestly, I still haven't seen it as I watch very little TV other than sports. Some day after I retire maybe I will binge watch it.
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I always thought Law & Order was well above average for a cop show. I never really got into the spinoffs, and can't recommend them.
I don't think a binge week is a prudent choice. Pace yourself.
(Dunn-dunn.)
We were approached about renting out my nightclub for a three-day shoot, but their schedule meant we'd have to close for a weekend, and the money wasn't nearly enough.
Someday, I'd like to binge-watch the entire original series.
I'd put the original Law and Order just behind NYPD Blue as the best cop show in TV history. Others will have different opinions.
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I don't think a binge week is a prudent choice. Pace yourself.
(Dunn-dunn.)
I am compulsive. I only binge watch shows. If a show doesn't have at least three seasons online to watch I will wait until it does. I don't know how many episodes of Law & Order there are but I could easily watch 30 a week.
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I don't think a binge week is a prudent choice. Pace yourself.
(Dunn-dunn.)
I am compulsive. I only binge watch shows. If a show doesn't have at least three seasons online to watch I will wait until it does. I don't know how many episodes of Law & Order there are but I could easily watch 30 a week.
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Piker. I once watched three seasons of 24 over a four-day weekend.
I remember when Law and Order had a big party in Astoria when they aired the 500th episode, so they might be as many as 550-600 episodes.
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I don't think a binge week is a prudent choice. Pace yourself.
(Dunn-dunn.)
I am compulsive. I only binge watch shows. If a show doesn't have at least three seasons online to watch I will wait until it does. I don't know how many episodes of Law & Order there are but I could easily watch 30 a week.
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Piker. I once watched three seasons of 24 over a four-day weekend.
I remember when Law and Order had a big party in Astoria when they aired the 500th episode, so they might be as many as 550-600 episodes.
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If it is 500 episodes I will have to cram it into 4 weeks, that will allow me about an hour of sleep per day.
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I don't think a binge week is a prudent choice. Pace yourself.
(Dunn-dunn.)
I am compulsive. I only binge watch shows. If a show doesn't have at least three seasons online to watch I will wait until it does. I don't know how many episodes of Law & Order there are but I could easily watch 30 a week.
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I never watch TV shows live I only watch them in reruns and I only watch a show that is more than three seasons long. I have never seen a single episode of Law and Order and never will. I got burnt out on cop and lawyer shows in the 80s because after a while they run out of stories and they're all the same. Right now my favorite show is on Netflix called Diplomat and I've already watched the first three seasons four times and will watch it again It's that good. I watched all 6 seasons of Downton Abbey 13 times. And I'm sure someday I'll watch it again.
I had an invaluable guide for watching this show.
Dark Shadows Every Day
The 1960s vampire soap opera, one episode a day. (half hour soap opera)
It's different watching in color so much later.
https://darkshadowseveryday.com/episode-guide/
Episode 295:
"Yes, the truly thrilling development today is that Dark Shadows is now being broadcast in beautiful, muddy, low-definition color. I’m very excited, I’ve been dreaming about reaching this episode for months.
Dark Shadows switched over to color in August 1967, which was actually early in the game for soap operas. Its lead-in, General Hospital, was still in black-and-white until the end of October."
https://darkshadowseveryday.com/2013/12/27/episode-295/
AI wrote:
Kinescopes in 1966: The Transition Era
While videotape was the industry standard, kinescopes still played several specific and practical roles in television production in 1966.
Network Time-Zone Delays:
Before coast-to-coast color tape feeds were perfected and widely distributed, networks sometimes relied on kinescopes to delay broadcasts for the West Coast.
Affiliate Distribution: Major networks (like ABC, NBC, and CBS) used kinescopes to create backup 16mm black-and-white copies of shows. Stations that could not afford expensive videotape machines, or that wanted to broadcast syndicated/local programming during the regular network slot, used these film reels later.
The "Dark Shadows" Practice: A notable example of kinescope usage in 1966 occurred at ABC, which utilized kinescopes as a safety backup and syndication tool for their daily gothic soap opera Dark Shadows.
Archival & Personal Copies: Networks often made kinescope prints of live shows to give as gifts or archival records to the hosts and stars, since home consumer video players did not yet exist.
Ai has solved very difficult and complicated math problems
including disproving a theory that mathematicians have held for 80 years - (see link)
it took AI all of a few hours to solve it
"Artificial intelligence models have achieved historic breakthroughs by autonomously solving and disproving central conjectures in fields like discrete geometry and number theory. These monumental proofs have astounded expert mathematicians, marking a shift from AI acting as an assistant to making groundbreaking, original mathematical discoveries.
The Erdős Unit Distance ProblemOne of the most notable AI achievements in mathematics is the autonomous solution to a problem first proposed by legendary mathematician Paul Erdős in 1946.The Challenge: The problem asked for the best way to arrange dots on a flat surface to maximize the number of pairs that are exactly one unit apart. For 80 years, mathematicians assumed a neat, square grid (like a chessboard) was optimal.The Breakthrough: An internal OpenAI reasoning model disproved this longstanding conjecture. It autonomously provided an infinite family of examples using algebraic number theory that yielded a polynomial improvement over the square grid constructions.Reception: The proof was verified by external experts, and Fields Medalist Timothy Gowers noted that if a human researcher had submitted this to a top-tier math journal, he would recommend its immediate acceptance."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ai-just-solved-an-80-year-old-erdos-problem-and-mathematicians-are-amazed/
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I used to watch Dsrk Shadows as a kid I recently watched an episode and I couldn’t believe how poor the quality was and how bad things looked. You could see walls moving and other bloopers. What you don’t notice when you’re young.Quote: ChumpChangeDark Shadows has over 1,000 episodes.
I had an invaluable guide for watching this show.
Dark Shadows Every Day
The 1960s vampire soap opera, one episode a day. (half hour soap opera)
It's different watching in color so much later.
https://darkshadowseveryday.com/episode-guide/
Episode 295:
"Yes, the truly thrilling development today is that Dark Shadows is now being broadcast in beautiful, muddy, low-definition color. I’m very excited, I’ve been dreaming about reaching this episode for months.
Dark Shadows switched over to color in August 1967, which was actually early in the game for soap operas. Its lead-in, General Hospital, was still in black-and-white until the end of October."
https://darkshadowseveryday.com/2013/12/27/episode-295/
AI wrote:
Kinescopes in 1966: The Transition Era
While videotape was the industry standard, kinescopes still played several specific and practical roles in television production in 1966.
Network Time-Zone Delays:
Before coast-to-coast color tape feeds were perfected and widely distributed, networks sometimes relied on kinescopes to delay broadcasts for the West Coast.
Affiliate Distribution: Major networks (like ABC, NBC, and CBS) used kinescopes to create backup 16mm black-and-white copies of shows. Stations that could not afford expensive videotape machines, or that wanted to broadcast syndicated/local programming during the regular network slot, used these film reels later.
The "Dark Shadows" Practice: A notable example of kinescope usage in 1966 occurred at ABC, which utilized kinescopes as a safety backup and syndication tool for their daily gothic soap opera Dark Shadows.
Archival & Personal Copies: Networks often made kinescope prints of live shows to give as gifts or archival records to the hosts and stars, since home consumer video players did not yet exist.
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A few years ago I fell asleep with the TV on. When I was waking up I was listening to the TV but still had my eyes closed and didn't see it. After about 20 minutes of listening to this unknown show, I realized it was very interesting and good...
I had an experience like that, but on the radio. I turned the switch and checked the number, left it on and in bed I slumber, then all of a sudden I hear the talking of the DJ, but can't understand just what does he say...
I do remember one episode from when I was a kid that haunted me for years. It's when Quentin stands at the top of the stairs and laughs manically for an extended time while his theme song plays on the harpsichord.
I remember that episode and it also haunted meQuote: billryanI didn't watch it much in the first run, and tried watching it on MTV years later but found it incredibly slow-paced and cheesy.
I do remember one episode from when I was a kid that haunted me for years. It's when Quentin stands at the top of the stairs and laughs manically for an extended time while his theme song plays on the harpsichord.
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Ai deep fakes, pics and video are becoming so realistic that even many experts cannot figure out if they are fake or not
the deep fakes keep getting more and more persuasive - more and more realistic
an NYT story not linked here quoted an Ai expert who has spent years studying this who could not determine whether the widespread images of the U.S. bombing of an an elementary school in Iran were fake or not - he could not come to a conclustion
from the link:
"We are approaching a synthetic reality threshold—a point beyond which humans can no longer distinguish authentic from fabricated media without technological assistance. Detection tools lag behind creation technologies
Specific dangers are clear. Voice-cloning AI enables scammers to mimic loved ones' voices with seconds of audio, creating convincing emergency scenarios that trick victims into sending money
Research confirms humans cannot consistently identify AI-generated voices, often perceiving them as identical to real people
Social media amplifies these threats through the “illusory truth effect,” where repeated exposure makes information seem more credible regardless of accuracy."
https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/deepfakes-and-crisis-knowing
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Ai deep fakes, pics and video are becoming so realistic that even many experts cannot figure out if they are fake or not
the deep fakes keep getting more and more persuasive - more and more realistic
an NYT story not linked here quoted an Ai expert who has spent years studying this who could not determine whether the widespread images of the U.S. bombing of an an elementary school in Iran were fake or not - he could not come to a conclustion
from the link:
"We are approaching a synthetic reality threshold—a point beyond which humans can no longer distinguish authentic from fabricated media without technological assistance. Detection tools lag behind creation technologies
Specific dangers are clear. Voice-cloning AI enables scammers to mimic loved ones' voices with seconds of audio, creating convincing emergency scenarios that trick victims into sending money
Research confirms humans cannot consistently identify AI-generated voices, often perceiving them as identical to real people
Social media amplifies these threats through the “illusory truth effect,” where repeated exposure makes information seem more credible regardless of accuracy."
https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/deepfakes-and-crisis-knowing
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I expect we'll have to go to some sort of coded system on the video or picture. Like an official picture will identify the geolocation, photographer or organization with Enigma style code which can only be translated by that person or organization. You could still question the reliability of the source, but a good reputation can be built over time by that source to gain public reliability vs, the fakes.
quite shocking
rope jumping off of high bridges as a form of thrill seeking is popular in Brazil
this time, the woman and her helpers forgot to attach the rope
she was thrown more than 100 feet down to her death
her helpers are being investigated for negligence
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Without knowing the facts, I'll assume there was alcohol involved.
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quite shocking
rope jumping off of high bridges as a form of thrill seeking is popular in Brazil
this time, the woman and her helpers forgot to attach the rope
she was thrown more than 100 feet down to her death
her helpers are being investigated for negligence
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I saw this once, but the Coyote walked away from it.......
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quite shocking
rope jumping off of high bridges as a form of thrill seeking is popular in Brazil
this time, the woman and her helpers forgot to attach the rope
she was thrown more than 100 feet down to her death
her helpers are being investigated for negligence
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Looking at that- no that was not negligence. Intentional. That's not the first time they did that, and when you are one of the people involved staying clear of the rope is a big deal that has to be taken very seriously, because that will break a bone or drag you off the ledge yourself if you get caught up in it, so they always are aware of where the rope is.
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quite shocking
rope jumping off of high bridges as a form of thrill seeking is popular in Brazil
this time, the woman and her helpers forgot to attach the rope
she was thrown more than 100 feet down to her death
her helpers are being investigated for negligence
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I saw this once, but the Coyote walked away from it.......
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I did not know about this the rules behind the Roadrunner Coyote cartoons
No physical harm from the prey: The Road Runner cannot harm the Coyote except by going "Beep-Beep!" Self-inflicted failure: Outside forces cannot harm the Coyote; his defeats must come from his own ineptitude or the failure of his gadgets.Constant fanaticism: The Coyote could stop at any time—if he were not a fanatic. Restricted dialogue: No dialogue is ever allowed, except for the Road Runner's "Beep-Beep!" Stay in your lane: The Road Runner must stay on the road.Southwest setting: All action must be confined to the natural environment of the two characters—the American Southwest desert. Acme reliance: All materials, tools, weapons, or mechanical conveniences must be purchased from the Acme Corporation. Gravity as the ultimate foe: Whenever possible, make gravity the Coyote's greatest enemy.
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quite shocking
rope jumping off of high bridges as a form of thrill seeking is popular in Brazil
this time, the woman and her helpers forgot to attach the rope
she was thrown more than 100 feet down to her death
her helpers are being investigated for negligence
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I saw this once, but the Coyote walked away from it.......
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Don't forget big movie premiere coming up:
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Don't forget big movie premiere coming up:
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I caught a picture of one of these on a trail in Vegas just the other day.
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I did not know about this the rules behind the Roadrunner Coyote cartoons
No physical harm from the prey: The Road Runner cannot harm the Coyote except by going "Beep-Beep!"
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The roadrunner does make odd abrupt sounds, that's not made up, you could say it is a "beep" or you could say it doesn't describe it well
Put me down as Team Coyote. We have plenty of both around here.
Globe was a rough mining town in the early 1900s, and one particular murder is still talked about today.
Joseph Ludwig had been in town a short time and hadn't really made much of an impression on anyone until he turned up dead. He was found shot in the heart outside one of the town's brothels. It wasn't a big deal until someone stole the body from the morgue, dragged it over a mile, and slit the corpse's throat. At that point, people's interest was piqued.
The body was recovered and brought back to town, only to be stolen again a few days later. This time, the body was dragged into an open field and dynamited so that little remained of it. While cleaning the area, an even more disturbing find was made. Before blowing up Ludwig's body, someone had cut out his heart and placed it far enough away that it wasn't damaged.
No one was ever charged in connection with the crime, but it is highly doubtful the killer is still alive.
Quote: billryanHe must have really pissed someone off.
Globe was a rough mining town in the early 1900s, and one particular murder is still talked about today.
Joseph Ludwig had been in town a short time and hadn't really made much of an impression on anyone until he turned up dead. He was found shot in the heart outside one of the town's brothels. It wasn't a big deal until someone stole the body from the morgue, dragged it over a mile, and slit the corpse's throat. At that point, people's interest was piqued.
The body was recovered and brought back to town, only to be stolen again a few days later. This time, the body was dragged into an open field and dynamited so that little remained of it. While cleaning the area, an even more disturbing find was made. Before blowing up Ludwig's body, someone had cut out his heart and placed it far enough away that it wasn't damaged.
No one was ever charged in connection with the crime, but it is highly doubtful the killer is still alive.
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Maybe he didn't do anything to piss off anyone. I'm serious. Hatred is illogical. I have a lot of enemies for no justifiable reason.
After my brother died, the next day, my friends said everyday, "people will kill you for a pack of cigarettes."
As for the gangs, It isn't as much about race or money as it is about power. Our family married into two Mexican families and my business partner is Mexican. One asked me to join the gang when I returned to my hometown. They have blacks and whites in the Mexican gangs. I could go into depth with this topic.
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Globe was a rough mining town in the early 1900s, and one particular murder is still talked about today.
Joseph Ludwig had been in town a short time and hadn't really made much of an impression on anyone until he turned up dead. He was found shot in the heart outside one of the town's brothels. It wasn't a big deal until someone stole the body from the morgue, dragged it over a mile, and slit the corpse's throat. At that point, people's interest was piqued.
The body was recovered and brought back to town, only to be stolen again a few days later. This time, the body was dragged into an open field and dynamited so that little remained of it. While cleaning the area, an even more disturbing find was made. Before blowing up Ludwig's body, someone had cut out his heart and placed it far enough away that it wasn't damaged.
No one was ever charged in connection with the crime, but it is highly doubtful the killer is still alive.
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Maybe he didn't do anything to piss off anyone. I'm serious. Hatred is illogical. I have a lot of enemies for no justifiable reason.
After my brother died, the next day, my friends said everyday, "people will kill you for a pack of cigarettes."
As for the gangs, It isn't as much about race or money as it is about power. Our family married into two Mexican families and my business partner is Mexican. One asked me to join the gang when I returned to my hometown. You can't tell who they are. They have blacks and whites in the Mexican gangs.
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Hatred is 100% logical
Quote: DRichI now believe that Putin may actually be removed from Russia by the end of the year. I would not have thought that a month ago, but things are going so bad in Russia that change may be coming very soon.
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Anyone powerful enough to depose Putin won't be a friend to the West.
Quote: DRichI now believe that Putin may actually be removed from Russia by the end of the year. I would not have thought that a month ago, but things are going so bad in Russia that change may be coming very soon.
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And who would do that exactly. Putin is Russia, he has his tentacles everywhere.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRichI now believe that Putin may actually be removed from Russia by the end of the year. I would not have thought that a month ago, but things are going so bad in Russia that change may be coming very soon.
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And who would do that exactly. Putin is Russia, he has his tentacles everywhere.
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Plus, he's gotten rid of most the opposition.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: EvenBobQuote: DRichI now believe that Putin may actually be removed from Russia by the end of the year. I would not have thought that a month ago, but things are going so bad in Russia that change may be coming very soon.
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And who would do that exactly. Putin is Russia, he has his tentacles everywhere.
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Plus, he's gotten rid of most the opposition.
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If it happens it will most likely be that his inner circle will turn on him.
It sounds good, but I bet they baked those potential discounts into their monthly rent.
Quote: billryanMy rent is due on the first, but the lease terms give me until the close of business on the third business day of the month to avoid a late fee. I have autopay set to pay on the third of each month. I just recieved a letter offering the following bonuses: Pay by close of business on the first business day of the month for six months and get a $50 credit. Every six months, you get a $50 credit, and after 24 months, you get a month free. That's for 24 early, problem-free payments.
It sounds good, but I bet they baked those potential discounts into their monthly rent.
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Maybe they're just tired of chasing tenants for rent.
mysteries of the universe:
the universe is about 13.8 billion years old
the universe may be infinite, or it may be finite or there could be many universes - the multiverse
this is unknown and is one of the great unsolved mysteries in cosmology
95% of the universe is dark energy or dark matter - 68% dark energy and 27% dark matter
dark energy and dark matter are invisible and unseen forces that are not understood by scientists - they know they are there but they do not know the details of how they came about or how they work
dark energy is a mysterious anti-gravitational force that drives the expansion of the universe pushing galaxies apart at ever increasing speeds
distant galaxies are continuously moving farther away from Earth
dark matter exists because its' gravitational pull holds galaxies and galaxy clusters together
new planets and stars are constantly being formed across the universe
scientists believe it is possible the universe could disentegrate since there are observations that dark energy has decreased over time
if the expansion of the universe slowed down or stopped or reversed gravity could pull everything back together crushing all matter in a catastrophic implosion
the deep mysteries of the universe may never be known or understood by humans
Earandel is the most distant star ever observed by telescope -
it has been observed by the Hubble Space Telescope and the James Webb space telescope
it is roughly 28 billion light years away
a light year is about 5.88 trillion miles
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mysteries of the universe:
the universe is about 13.8 billion years old
the universe may be infinite, or it may be finite or there could be many universes - the multiverse
this is unknown and is one of the great unsolved mysteries in cosmology
95% of the universe is dark energy or dark matter - 68% dark energy and 27% dark matter
dark energy and dark matter are invisible and unseen forces that are not understood by scientists - they know they are there but they do not know the details of how they came about or how they work
dark energy is a mysterious anti-gravitational force that drives the expansion of the universe pushing galaxies apart at ever increasing speeds
distant galaxies are continuously moving farther away from Earth
dark matter exists because its' gravitational pull holds galaxies and galaxy clusters together
new planets and stars are constantly being formed across the universe
scientists believe it is possible the universe could disentegrate since there are observations that dark energy has decreased over time
if the expansion of the universe slowed down or stopped or reversed gravity could pull everything back together crushing all matter in a catastrophic implosion
the deep mysteries of the universe may never be known or understood by humans
Earandel is the most distant star ever observed by telescope -
it has been observed by the Hubble Space Telescope and the James Webb space telescope
it is roughly 28 billion light years away
a light year is about 5.88 trillion miles
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And of course, the question is: How can we see a star that is 28 billion light years away when the universe is 13.8 billion years old?
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Earandel is the most distant star ever observed by telescope -
it has been observed by the Hubble Space Telescope and the James Webb space telescope
it is roughly 28 billion light years away
a light year is about 5.88 trillion miles
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And of course, the question is: How can we see a star that is 28 billion light years away when the universe is 13.8 billion years old?
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the reason I got from searching is that we are seeing the light that traveled from the star from less than 13 billion years ago
but that the star is now 28 billion light years away because of the expansion of space
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: gordonm888Quote: lilredrooster.
Earandel is the most distant star ever observed by telescope -
it has been observed by the Hubble Space Telescope and the James Webb space telescope
it is roughly 28 billion light years away
a light year is about 5.88 trillion miles
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And of course, the question is: How can we see a star that is 28 billion light years away when the universe is 13.8 billion years old?
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the reason I got from searching is that we are seeing the light that traveled from the star from less than 13 billion years ago
but that the star is now 28 billion light years away because of the expansion of space
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Yes that is correct. And although the speed of an object cannot exceed (or even equal) the speed of light, according to conventional physics it is possible for the expansion of space-time in the universe to cause remote (gravitationally unbound) objects to recede from each other at a speed greater than the speed of light.
Of course, scientists cannot directly measure the distance of stars from Earth. They measure the red-shift of light to infer a speed at which the star is moving away from us and assume that the universe is homogeneous and use a model of space-time expansion rate versus time to calculate distance. The red shift of remote stars and the inferred space-time expansion rates are so great that physicists have had to define a concept called dark energy to explain or rationalize the universe's expansion rate. But no one knows what "dark energy" is.
Einstein's theory of general relativity is very well confirmed but, IMO, somehow we are missing something. My statement isn't startling because certainly everyone agrees that dark energy is mysterious and implies unknown physics.
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Raises hand.
Because there is a big mirror about 14 billion light years away, and the star is right behind us.
Look behind you!
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Earandel is the most distant star ever observed by telescope -
it has been observed by the Hubble Space Telescope and the James Webb space telescope
it is roughly 28 billion light years away
a light year is about 5.88 trillion miles
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And of course, the question is: How can we see a star that is 28 billion light years away when the universe is 13.8 billion years old?
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the reason I got from searching is that we are seeing the light that traveled from the star from less than 13 billion years ago
but that the star is now 28 billion light years away because of the expansion of space
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Yes that is correct. And although the speed of an object cannot exceed (or even equal) the speed of light, according to conventional physics it is possible for the expansion of space-time in the universe to cause remote (gravitationally unbound) objects to recede from each other at a speed greater than the speed of light.
Of course, scientists cannot directly measure the distance of stars from Earth. They measure the red-shift of light to infer a speed at which the star is moving away from us and assume that the universe is homogeneous and use a model of space-time expansion rate versus time to calculate distance. The red shift of remote stars and the inferred space-time expansion rates are so great that physicists have had to define a concept called dark energy to explain or rationalize the universe's expansion rate. But no one knows what "dark energy" is.
Einstein's theory of general relativity is very well confirmed but, IMO, somehow we are missing something. My statement isn't startling because certainly everyone agrees that dark energy is mysterious and implies unknown physics.
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I think the answer to that will be known only when we can be sure what an observer on a planet orbiting Earandel sees. He looks towards us and sees a galaxy 28 GY away, receding rapidly and red shifted all to hell, but what does he see when he turns around 180 degrees and looks in the other direction? Just more galaxies, and so ad infinitum, or something else? It could even be a solipsistic answer, where the Milky Way he sees only exists from his perspective, it doesn't have us in it, so his observations and ours don't have to correlate since Earandel as we know it is our solipsistic perspective as well and doesn't have any observers either.
Whichever it is, it will also imply currently unknown physics and in the case of an infinity possibly an answer that is non-physical, which I am open to. Natural science and the supernatural are only at odds when they choose to be, for the sport of it.
other mysteries:
the Big Bang is generally accepted as being the correct answer as to how the universe was created
scientists do not know exactly what caused the Big Bang - there are a multitude unproven theories
the same is true about what existed before the Big Bang - (if anything) - nothing has been proven -
one theory that I found kind of interesting - the Big Bang was triggered by the collapse of a previous universe
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Somehow, it works and is very enjoyable. I was surprised in the end, as I thought this was all standalone episodes, but it is all brought together in the final two episodes.
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other mysteries:
the Big Bang is generally accepted as being the correct answer as to how the universe was created
scientists do not know exactly what caused the Big Bang - there are a multitude unproven theories
the same is true about what existed before the Big Bang - (if anything) - nothing has been proven -
one theory that I found kind of interesting - the Big Bang was triggered by the collapse of a previous universe
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At one time it was generally accepted that everything revolved around the Earth. Unfortunately, we only know what we know, but the answers come from the unknown.
Quote: odiousgambitI suppose you think the Earth is spinning. Of course if that was true we'd all be flung off of it !!
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I recall some periods of extreme intoxication where the Coriolis force was distinctly observed. Several of my, uhh, research colleagues joined me on the lawn, clinging desperately to the grass to prevent being flung off the planet.
We didn't manage to get the instrumentation to absorb enough ethanol to actually measure these phenomena, unfortunately...
