Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyWe're going to capture the mullahs and put them in a Whac-A-Mullah game!
Having a lot of force at your disposal is useful in making your counterparty more interested in peace. For most of the world, peace is something you seek only when you are going to lose a war. For in the jungle there is no right or wrong, good or bad, or true or false. There is only strong and weak, and winning and losing.
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You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
Quote: DougGanderQuote: AutomaticMonkeyWe're going to capture the mullahs and put them in a Whac-A-Mullah game!
Having a lot of force at your disposal is useful in making your counterparty more interested in peace. For most of the world, peace is something you seek only when you are going to lose a war. For in the jungle there is no right or wrong, good or bad, or true or false. There is only strong and weak, and winning and losing.
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You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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The U.S. has not been at war since it declared war in 1942. As Russia would say, we have been in some special military operations.
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You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
Given how Putin was deservedly mocked for the "special operation" framing of the Ukrainian invasion I find that quite sinister.
Quote: DougGanderI didn't actually know that until I checked, and yes you are right there's been no formal congressional declaration of war since WWII (just in case any one thought that was pure sarcasm).
Given how Putin was deservedly mocked for the "special operation" framing of the Ukrainian invasion I find that quite sinister.
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There is a good History Matters video on this. Basically declaring war in the age of the UN triggers all kinds of issues with other nations so it will probably never happen again.
Germany declared war on the US firstQuote: billryanA day after the Japanese surprise attack, Congress voted 88-0 in the Senate and 388-1 to go to war with Japan. The next week, they voted unanimously to go to war with Germany, which hadn't attacked us. One member felt going to war with a country that hadn't attacked us was justified, but voted not to go to war with the folks who brought us Pearl Harbor.
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you can make a case that 'lend-lease' and other aid to those fighting Germany was an act of war. Would I say that? No, but I wouldn't call it a crazy opinion
Quote: odiousgambitGermany declared war on the US firstQuote: billryanA day after the Japanese surprise attack, Congress voted 88-0 in the Senate and 388-1 to go to war with Japan. The next week, they voted unanimously to go to war with Germany, which hadn't attacked us. One member felt going to war with a country that hadn't attacked us was justified, but voted not to go to war with the folks who brought us Pearl Harbor.
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you can make a case that 'lend-lease' and other aid to those fighting Germany was an act of war. Would I say that? No, but I wouldn't call it a crazy opinion
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Cutting off Japan's oil supply in 1941 was a virtual act of war.
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You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
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Everywhere the US invaded in recent history is now controlled by factions with a deep and utter hatred for it. That's not up for debate, it is a simple and obvious fact.
Quote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DougGander
You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
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Everywhere the US invaded in recent history is now controlled by factions with a deep and utter hatred for it. That's not up for debate, it is a simple and obvious fact.
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Panama?
Grenada?
¿Los Ángeles?
Quote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DougGander
You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
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Everywhere the US invaded in recent history is now controlled by factions with a deep and utter hatred for it. That's not up for debate, it is a simple and obvious fact.
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I won't list those countries here because we're not supposed to talk about this stuff but, they all have one thing in common. lol.
Quote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DougGander
You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
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Everywhere the US invaded in recent history is now controlled by factions with a deep and utter hatred for it. That's not up for debate, it is a simple and obvious fact.
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Once again, you stating something is a ‘simple and obvious fact’ generally means it is ‘NOT a fact’. I see others have mentioned Grenada and Panama. You might add Iraq. Those in control there seem ok with the USA now.
At least think A LITTLE before we are subject to your next ‘simple and obvious fact’.
Quote: billryanGetting back to what matters, Hershey's has messed with the formula for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. For nearly a century, they were made with milk chocolate and peanut butter, but they are now made with candy chocolate and peanut creme. Hershey's has quietly been switching from milk chocolate to inferior types.
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IDK about prices for peanuts or peanut butter, but cacao prices are through the roof.
Quote: ChumpChangeThere's a 40% tariff on chocolate. A 6 pack of Kit Kat bars went up 40% a few months ago.
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Not only that, the cacao plant only grows in certain latitudes, at certain elevations and under certain soil conditions. Those conditions are being altered by global climate change...which, of course, does not exist according to some people. Furthermore, disease has devastated crops. All these forces combine to lower crop yields and harvests, driving up prices.
so now some areas that couldn’t grow cacao should be able to since the climate is changing.Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: ChumpChangeThere's a 40% tariff on chocolate. A 6 pack of Kit Kat bars went up 40% a few months ago.
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Not only that, the cacao plant only grows in certain latitudes, at certain elevations and under certain soil conditions. Those conditions are being altered by global climate change...which, of course, does not exist according to some people. Furthermore, disease has devastated crops. All these forces combine to lower crop yields and harvests, driving up prices.
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Quote: Hunterhillso now some areas that couldn’t grow cacao should be able to since the climate is changing.Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: ChumpChangeThere's a 40% tariff on chocolate. A 6 pack of Kit Kat bars went up 40% a few months ago.
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Not only that, the cacao plant only grows in certain latitudes, at certain elevations and under certain soil conditions. Those conditions are being altered by global climate change...which, of course, does not exist according to some people. Furthermore, disease has devastated crops. All these forces combine to lower crop yields and harvests, driving up prices.
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Don't think that's how it works.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanGetting back to what matters, Hershey's has messed with the formula for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. For nearly a century, they were made with milk chocolate and peanut butter, but they are now made with candy chocolate and peanut creme. Hershey's has quietly been switching from milk chocolate to inferior types.
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IDK about prices for peanuts or peanut butter, but cacao prices are through the roof.
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Your information is so 2025.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CC=F/
It did have a supply problem a year or so ago but even at its peak it's still only about $4 a pound as a commodity. And I don't think there was ever that much cocoa in a Reese's, this is not exactly upscale chocolate.
What annoys me more is all the crap they are filling them with now besides peanut butter, and those adulterants all have in common that they are cheaper than peanut butter.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DougGander
You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
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Everywhere the US invaded in recent history is now controlled by factions with a deep and utter hatred for it. That's not up for debate, it is a simple and obvious fact.
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Once again, you stating something is a ‘simple and obvious fact’ generally means it is ‘NOT a fact’. I see others have mentioned Grenada and Panama. You might add Iraq. Those in control there seem ok with the USA now.
At least think A LITTLE before we are subject to your next ‘simple and obvious fact’.
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Iraq is run by a coalition of pro-Iranian and former terrorists groups many of whom were explicitly engaged in violent resistance against the US until recently. The notion that they are in any way OK with the USA is frankly, surreal.
Panama is strongly against to any kind of US control, a recent poll indicated 71% of the population is strongly opposed.
Grenada is too small to be regularly polled on anything. I didn't get any impression they are crazy about US imperialism.
Grenada is composed of 90,000 people. Panama has a smaller population than Kentucky. It is kind of pathetic that you have to brag about those invasions: its like a guy in a bar bragging because he beat up a midget.
To state the blindingly obvious, the US is hated almost everywhere in the world currently according to every survey, the only exceptions being countries like Israel and Argentina which are directly subsidized by the US to the tune of billions of dollars. I would really stop investing if you are really this out of touch on global affairs, you cannot make any serious money if you just don't know what is happening in the world. I mean this kindly you will lose all your money - even with domestic companies most of them do have important connections with the outside world.
Quote: billryanQuote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DougGander
You do know the US military has been publicly humiliated in almost every war going back to Vietnam?
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Uh, not even close.
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Everywhere the US invaded in recent history is now controlled by factions with a deep and utter hatred for it. That's not up for debate, it is a simple and obvious fact.
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Panama?
Grenada?
¿Los Ángeles?
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Kuwait?
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Kuwait?
The US did not invade Kuwait, it intervened on behalf of the Kuwaiti government and people to resist foreign aggression.
Quote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffman
Kuwait?
The US did not invade Kuwait, it intervened on behalf of the Kuwaiti government and people to resist foreign aggression.
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I suppose we didn't invade Normandy, Sicily, or Italy either.
Korea was split into two countries after the war and South Korea has a strong friendship with the U.S.
Mexico? We invaded them in 1848.
The states that made up the Confederacy? Mississippi? South Carolina? Virginia? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
We invaded France on D-Day. We invaded countries in North Africa during WW II. We invaded the Phillipines. Is there a deep and abiding hatred in those countries?
We declared war on Spain in the Spanish American War. A Deep and abiding hatred?
Quote: billryanQuote: DougGanderQuote: AZDuffman
Kuwait?
The US did not invade Kuwait, it intervened on behalf of the Kuwaiti government and people to resist foreign aggression.
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I suppose we didn't invade Normandy, Sicily, or Italy either.
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Conventional definition of invasion: The entry of armed forces into a foreign territory without the consent of that territory's sovereign government, typically with the intent to occupy, control, or liberate it.
The key legal and military distinction is consent of the legitimate sovereign government.
Kuwait and the free French forces consented to the entry of foreign forces to their respective countries so are not generally considered invasions. The existence of the Vichy regime complicates the issue but most historians refer to it as a liberation.
Italy was an unambiguous invasion. But your point is moot as I indicated I was talking about ventures up to and inclusive of Vietnam specifically to exclude WWII.
Quote: gordonm888Japan? Germany? Italy? Those are the biggies we have warred with, that we have invaded Turkey? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
Korea was split into two countries after the war and South Korea has a strong friendship with the U.S.
Mexico? We invaded them in 1848.
The states that made up the Confederacy? Mississippi? South Carolina? Virginia? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
We invaded France on D-Day. We invaded countries in North Africa during WW II. We invaded the Phillipines. Is there a deep and abiding hatred in those countries?
We declared war on Spain in the Spanish American War. A Deep and abiding hatred?
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I indicated twice I was talking about the post-war period.
That said you seem to have a disturbing lack of awareness about what has changed in the world recently. For example Turkey is 80% hostile to the US. So yes they do have a deep and abiding hatred. Mexico has a 69% unfavorable opinion, only slightly better than Turkey. 57% in Spain view the US unfavorably.
The French also view the US negatively, opposition being 40-34% with a positive view. (this is actually less of a change than most European countries as the French never liked the US much before).
Do you not watch the news? It isn't the 1990's any more. Europe and Canada in particular are mobilizing for war against the US in the event of invasion, talking seriously about dumping trillions in us treasury bonds, divesting themselves of us-based financial systems and banning US tech companies. I thought this was all common knowledge?
Quote: DougGanderQuote: gordonm888Japan? Germany? Italy? Those are the biggies we have warred with, that we have invaded Turkey? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
Korea was split into two countries after the war and South Korea has a strong friendship with the U.S.
Mexico? We invaded them in 1848.
The states that made up the Confederacy? Mississippi? South Carolina? Virginia? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
We invaded France on D-Day. We invaded countries in North Africa during WW II. We invaded the Phillipines. Is there a deep and abiding hatred in those countries?
We declared war on Spain in the Spanish American War. A Deep and abiding hatred?
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I indicated twice I was talking about the post-war period.
That said you seem to have a disturbing lack of awareness about what has changed in the world recently. For example Turkey is 80% hostile to the US. So yes they do have a deep and abiding hatred. Mexico has a 69% unfavorable opinion, only slightly better than Turkey. 57% in Spain view the US unfavorably.
The French also view the US negatively, opposition being 40-34% with a positive view. (this is actually less of a change than most European countries as the French never liked the US much before).
Do you not watch the news? It isn't the 1990's any more. Europe and Canada in particular are mobilizing for war against the US in the event of invasion, talking seriously about dumping trillions in us treasury bonds, divesting themselves of us-based financial systems and banning US tech companies. I thought this was all common knowledge?
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The wisdom of the invasion of Iraq was the meme of dancing in the streets and being given flowers upon liberation from Saddam. This makes sense to me, but the reality was more complicated. With longer entrenched governments and different cultures, it's less than clear then even under brutal authoritarian rule everyone feels like the freedom dance. One would think the N. Koreans would be happy to be liberated, but a lot of caution in assuming that.
That's all I have to say. Hand me my suspension mods if necessary.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanGetting back to what matters, Hershey's has messed with the formula for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. For nearly a century, they were made with milk chocolate and peanut butter, but they are now made with candy chocolate and peanut creme. Hershey's has quietly been switching from milk chocolate to inferior types.
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IDK about prices for peanuts or peanut butter, but cacao prices are through the roof.
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The prices were over $12,000 in 2025 but is currently back down to around $3,200, I only know this because I own a lot of Hershey stock.
Quote: DougGanderQuote: gordonm888Japan? Germany? Italy? Those are the biggies we have warred with, that we have invaded Turkey? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
Korea was split into two countries after the war and South Korea has a strong friendship with the U.S.
Mexico? We invaded them in 1848.
The states that made up the Confederacy? Mississippi? South Carolina? Virginia? Do they have a deep and abiding hatred?
We invaded France on D-Day. We invaded countries in North Africa during WW II. We invaded the Phillipines. Is there a deep and abiding hatred in those countries?
We declared war on Spain in the Spanish American War. A Deep and abiding hatred?
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I indicated twice I was talking about the post-war period.
That said you seem to have a disturbing lack of awareness about what has changed in the world recently. For example Turkey is 80% hostile to the US. So yes they do have a deep and abiding hatred. Mexico has a 69% unfavorable opinion, only slightly better than Turkey. 57% in Spain view the US unfavorably.
The French also view the US negatively, opposition being 40-34% with a positive view. (this is actually less of a change than most European countries as the French never liked the US much before).
Do you not watch the news? It isn't the 1990's any more. Europe and Canada in particular are mobilizing for war against the US in the event of invasion, talking seriously about dumping trillions in us treasury bonds, divesting themselves of us-based financial systems and banning US tech companies. I thought this was all common knowledge?
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"That said you seem to have a disturbing lack of awareness about what has changed in the world recently."
First of all, the rules of this forum require that you not make insulting comments about the people you are chatting with. If I see you doing this again, making a comment about me or another member of the forum, I will indeed take action. This is a warning to you.
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On a deeper level, I want you to understand that you are not in charge of defining who in this forum is smart or knowledgeable. Similarly, if you want to complain about my moderating, I suggest you send a PM to the Wizard or post it in the Discussion about the Suspension List thread.
The 6-pack chocolate selections have gone from $5.99 to $8.39 (plus tax if applicable).
TV News coverage says he's going to violate the court order and raise it to 50%.
A wine distributor and lead plaintiff in the tariff case will be suing to get refunds on the illegal tariffs already charged. Trump says he'll tie that up in court for the next 5 years or more.
The billionaire Governor of Illinois is demanding tariff rebate checks of $1,700 for the residents of his state.
Jewell used some of his settlement to buy a world-class collection of Olympic Medals, and his heirs are now auctioning them off. Medals from the first three Olympics are rarely offered to the public, and those from the Berlin Olympics are especially sought after. I own participant medals from Helsinki (1952), Tokyo (1960), and Mexico City (1968), and would like a Munich one if the price is right.
Stacks ,of NYC, is auctioning them off. Bidding is open online and will conclude next week with a live session.
Quote: billryanKit Kat bars sold in America are produced in America so there should be no tariffs at all. Nestle licenses Kit Kats to Hershey for US distribution.
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Last I checked, cacao is an equatorial crop - not domestically grown.
Quote: DieterQuote: billryanKit Kat bars sold in America are produced in America so there should be no tariffs at all. Nestle licenses Kit Kats to Hershey for US distribution.
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Last I checked, cacao is an equatorial crop - not domestically grown.
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Turns out the US eliminated the tariffs on cocoa in November 2025 to help combat food inflation. But prices remain stubbornly high due to prior supply difficulties, lower demand and contractual obligations.
This chocoholic hopes prices come down by Easter, since that's what i gave up for Lent.
Quote: billryanRichard Jewell was a security guard at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. He found explosives in a backpack and reported it to the police. For the next two years, he stood accused of planting the explosives and was one of the most hated men in the country. While he was never charged, several news programs told the public that the FBI had enough evidence to arrest him. The real bomber was arrested and confessed. Jewell was vindicated and sued several organizations. His share of the settlements was well over a million dollars. It is said that the stress from the incident affected him tremendously, and he died in 2007 from complications related to his diabetes.
Jewell used some of his settlement to buy a world-class collection of Olympic Medals, and his heirs are now auctioning them off. Medals from the first three Olympics are rarely offered to the public, and those from the Berlin Olympics are especially sought after. I own participant medals from Helsinki (1952), Tokyo (1960), and Mexico City (1968), and would like a Munich one if the price is right.
Stacks ,of NYC, is auctioning them off. Bidding is open online and will conclude next week with a live session.
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Do you by chance happen to have a link to the auctions, and to medals that Jewell owned?
Quote: billryanThe auction is called The Richard Jewell collection and it is on the Stacks website.
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For the absolute life of me, I can't find any reference to this auction anywhere. I appreciate any assistance you can offer.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: billryanKit Kat bars sold in America are produced in America so there should be no tariffs at all. Nestle licenses Kit Kats to Hershey for US distribution.
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Last I checked, cacao is an equatorial crop - not domestically grown.
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Turns out the US eliminated the tariffs on cocoa in November 2025 to help combat food inflation. But prices remain stubbornly high due to prior supply difficulties, lower demand and contractual obligations.
This chocoholic hopes prices come down by Easter, since that's what i gave up for Lent.
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Good to know.
I have two daughters obsessed with the unique flavors of Japanese KitKats, so I'm probably not immune to KitKat tarriffs.
The Matcha flavors are surprisingly good, if you get a chance (in 6 weeks).
Quote: billryanThe auction is called The Richard Jewell collection and it is on the Stacks website.
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Found it. It was a different Richard Jewell than the Olympic security guard, though.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanThe auction is called The Richard Jewell collection and it is on the Stacks website.
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Found it. It was a different Richard Jewell than the Olympic security guard, though.
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Is It? I may have been misled. If so, I apologize, I should have checked the story. Hopefully, that keeps the prices down. My history with Stacks is weird. I rarely win anything, but looking at their closing prices, I'd be willing to pay more for many of the things they auction.
Quote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: billryanKit Kat bars sold in America are produced in America so there should be no tariffs at all. Nestle licenses Kit Kats to Hershey for US distribution.
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Last I checked, cacao is an equatorial crop - not domestically grown.
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Turns out the US eliminated the tariffs on cocoa in November 2025 to help combat food inflation. But prices remain stubbornly high due to prior supply difficulties, lower demand and contractual obligations.
This chocoholic hopes prices come down by Easter, since that's what i gave up for Lent.
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Good to know.
I have two daughters obsessed with the unique flavors of Japanese KitKats, so I'm probably not immune to KitKat tarriffs.
The Matcha flavors are surprisingly good, if you get a chance (in 6 weeks).
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I eat Bakers unsweetened 100% cacao chocolate everyday because it's extremely good for you as far as antioxidants go. It did go up in price a year ago almost a dollar and it has never come down.
Quote: DRichBased on American assets currently in the Middle East and the current operations by Israel, I would guess we will be bombing Iran in the next three days. Normally, we wait until weekend to limit affect on the stock market but everything I am seeing makes me believe it may be sooner.
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I pray you are wrong.
A customer went into a Circle K and ordered $85 worth of lotto tickets. They only had $60 and left $25 worth of printed tickets behind.
After the drawing, it was learned that a $ 12.8 million ticket was sold at that location. The manager looks through the unsold tickets and finds the winner. He clocks out, takes off his uniform, and buys $10 worth of the unsold tickets. Arizona law doesn't allow on-duty employees to buy lotto tickets. Circle K found out the circumstances and seized the ticket. The law states that any unsold tickets belong to the owner of the machine that printed them, as do any winnings.
Circle K isn't claiming it owns the ticket; it's asking the judge to rule on ownership. The question seems to be, can you legally buy a lotto ticket after a drawing when you know you are a winner? The ticket must be claimed within 180 days of the November 2025 drawing.
Any opinions?
If the prize is unclaimed, about half is donated to a group of charities, and the other half is added back into the lotto pool.
Quote: billryanAn interesting lotto lawsuit in Arizona.
A customer went into a Circle K and ordered $85 worth of lotto tickets. They only had $60 and left $25 worth of printed tickets behind.
After the drawing, it was learned that a $ 12.8 million ticket was sold at that location. The manager looks through the unsold tickets and finds the winner. He clocks out, takes off his uniform, and buys $10 worth of the unsold tickets. Arizona law doesn't allow on-duty employees to buy lotto tickets. Circle K found out the circumstances and seized the ticket. The law states that any unsold tickets belong to the owner of the machine that printed them, as do any winnings.
Circle K isn't claiming it owns the ticket; it's asking the judge to rule on ownership. The question seems to be, can you legally buy a lotto ticket after a drawing when you know you are a winner? The ticket must be claimed within 180 days of the November 2025 drawing.
Any opinions?
If the prize is unclaimed, about half is donated to a group of charities, and the other half is added back into the lotto pool.
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How did Circle K seize the ticket? Once the employee knew he had the ticket he can punch out, write "resigned" on his time card and buy the ticket, walk out and never look back.
The only pitfall I see is there would have to be another employee there to accept payment for the ticket. If he puts the money in the till himself he's acting as an on-duty employee and can't buy the ticket, and if he leaves without paying he stole the ticket and can't win. But if Circle K took the ticket from him in some involuntary way they stole the ticket and can't win.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanAn interesting lotto lawsuit in Arizona.
A customer went into a Circle K and ordered $85 worth of lotto tickets. They only had $60 and left $25 worth of printed tickets behind.
After the drawing, it was learned that a $ 12.8 million ticket was sold at that location. The manager looks through the unsold tickets and finds the winner. He clocks out, takes off his uniform, and buys $10 worth of the unsold tickets. Arizona law doesn't allow on-duty employees to buy lotto tickets. Circle K found out the circumstances and seized the ticket. The law states that any unsold tickets belong to the owner of the machine that printed them, as do any winnings.
Circle K isn't claiming it owns the ticket; it's asking the judge to rule on ownership. The question seems to be, can you legally buy a lotto ticket after a drawing when you know you are a winner? The ticket must be claimed within 180 days of the November 2025 drawing.
Any opinions?
If the prize is unclaimed, about half is donated to a group of charities, and the other half is added back into the lotto pool.
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How did Circle K seize the ticket? Once the employee knew he had the ticket he can punch out, write "resigned" on his time card and buy the ticket, walk out and never look back.
The only pitfall I see is there would have to be another employee there to accept payment for the ticket. If he puts the money in the till himself he's acting as an on-duty employee and can't buy the ticket, and if he leaves without paying he stole the ticket and can't win. But if Circle K took the ticket from him in some involuntary way they stole the ticket and can't win.
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News reports state another employee, the next day, processed the disputed sale.
If, by operation of law Circle K owned the ticket, and this manager did not have Circle K permission to buy the already winning ticket from Circle K, then the ticket belongs to Circle K. I don't see how the manager can make any kind of successful argument he had any right or privilege to purchase the winning ticket at any time.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanAn interesting lotto lawsuit in Arizona.
A customer went into a Circle K and ordered $85 worth of lotto tickets. They only had $60 and left $25 worth of printed tickets behind.
After the drawing, it was learned that a $ 12.8 million ticket was sold at that location. The manager looks through the unsold tickets and finds the winner. He clocks out, takes off his uniform, and buys $10 worth of the unsold tickets. Arizona law doesn't allow on-duty employees to buy lotto tickets. Circle K found out the circumstances and seized the ticket. The law states that any unsold tickets belong to the owner of the machine that printed them, as do any winnings.
Circle K isn't claiming it owns the ticket; it's asking the judge to rule on ownership. The question seems to be, can you legally buy a lotto ticket after a drawing when you know you are a winner? The ticket must be claimed within 180 days of the November 2025 drawing.
Any opinions?
If the prize is unclaimed, about half is donated to a group of charities, and the other half is added back into the lotto pool.
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How did Circle K seize the ticket? Once the employee knew he had the ticket he can punch out, write "resigned" on his time card and buy the ticket, walk out and never look back.
The only pitfall I see is there would have to be another employee there to accept payment for the ticket. If he puts the money in the till himself he's acting as an on-duty employee and can't buy the ticket, and if he leaves without paying he stole the ticket and can't win. But if Circle K took the ticket from him in some involuntary way they stole the ticket and can't win.
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News reports state another employee, the next day, processed the disputed sale.
If, by operation of law Circle K owned the ticket, and this manager did not have Circle K permission to buy the already winning ticket from Circle K, then the ticket belongs to Circle K. I don't see how the manager can make any kind of successful argument he had any right or privilege to purchase the winning ticket at any time.
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The rule Bill mentioned prohibits only on-duty employees from buying tickets. If he's hourly, once he punches out he's no longer on duty.
Totally off topic: I had an employer in my youth that made you punch out for your lunch break, but also didn't allow you to leave the building for your lunch break.
I told them that once I punch out you are not paying me, which means I can leave the building, somersault across the street, climb a tree, strip off all my clothes and bunny-hop around the park if I choose, because you are not paying me. Big dispute, and I thought about a lot of nefarious things I could do but I just rage-quit.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanAn interesting lotto lawsuit in Arizona.
A customer went into a Circle K and ordered $85 worth of lotto tickets. They only had $60 and left $25 worth of printed tickets behind.
After the drawing, it was learned that a $ 12.8 million ticket was sold at that location. The manager looks through the unsold tickets and finds the winner. He clocks out, takes off his uniform, and buys $10 worth of the unsold tickets. Arizona law doesn't allow on-duty employees to buy lotto tickets. Circle K found out the circumstances and seized the ticket. The law states that any unsold tickets belong to the owner of the machine that printed them, as do any winnings.
Circle K isn't claiming it owns the ticket; it's asking the judge to rule on ownership. The question seems to be, can you legally buy a lotto ticket after a drawing when you know you are a winner? The ticket must be claimed within 180 days of the November 2025 drawing.
Any opinions?
If the prize is unclaimed, about half is donated to a group of charities, and the other half is added back into the lotto pool.
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How did Circle K seize the ticket? Once the employee knew he had the ticket he can punch out, write "resigned" on his time card and buy the ticket, walk out and never look back.
The only pitfall I see is there would have to be another employee there to accept payment for the ticket. If he puts the money in the till himself he's acting as an on-duty employee and can't buy the ticket, and if he leaves without paying he stole the ticket and can't win. But if Circle K took the ticket from him in some involuntary way they stole the ticket and can't win.
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News reports state another employee, the next day, processed the disputed sale.
If, by operation of law Circle K owned the ticket, and this manager did not have Circle K permission to buy the already winning ticket from Circle K, then the ticket belongs to Circle K. I don't see how the manager can make any kind of successful argument he had any right or privilege to purchase the winning ticket at any time.
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The rule Bill mentioned prohibits only on-duty employees from buying tickets. If he's hourly, once he punches out he's no longer on duty.
Totally off topic: I had an employer in my youth that made you punch out for your lunch break, but also didn't allow you to leave the building for your lunch break.
I told them that once I punch out you are not paying me, which means I can leave the building, somersault across the street, climb a tree, strip off all my clothes and bunny-hop around the park if I choose, because you are not paying me. Big dispute, and I thought about a lot of nefarious things I could do but I just rage-quit.
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Once he is off duty, he can have a coworker go over to the lottery terminal and generate de novo as many tickets he is willing to pay for. But nothing, absolutely nothing, permits or authorizes him to purchase a pre-generated ticket, already in play, that lawfully belongs to Circle K, especially after the drawing has been done.
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