Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
I hate to admit feeling sympathy for a muderer but I do
she's been tortured
the latest is she's in the hospital in critical condition
it's so very, very horrible
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Quote: rxwineImpossible to interview subjects to know the best way die. I assume the most natural way to die is like one those animals eaten on the plains alive while being torn apart by smaller animals like wolves.
I remember more pain stubbing my toe than the initial pain of breaking my shoulder and arm.
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It is probably not impossible to gather data on failed and botched executions and then learn from those mistakes.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: lilredrooster.
more craziness in the news
the state of Tennessee tried to execute a woman yesterday (the first woman sentenced to death in Tennessee in more than 200 years)
but she survived 2 lethal injections
she is recovering in a hospital
her crime occurred in 1995
the family of the victim has waited 31 years for justice that they still haven't received
I wonder if they will try to execute her again - I don't think so but I really don't know
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8r6rjdvlx6o
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Off hand, I can think of three reasosn why this was collosal blunder. Complete speculation. One, the drugs could've been subpotent. Perhaps prepared incorreclty, or improper storage, or over time the active ingredient degraded. Two, there was some type of problem with the IV line, such as a the valve being partially closed preventing the full dose to reach her, Or three, the needle wasn't fully in her blood vessel, so some or even all of the doses ended up in the tissues surrounding the blood vessel and not the blood vessel itself. So the absorbed dose was less than lethal, but enough to cause sedation. No word as of yet on her condition in the hospital,. Distinct possibility she may have brain damage due to lack of oxygen. Of note, this the secind botched execution in Tennessee this year.
As for having another go, she is still a convicted felon, sentenced to a capital sentence so the state has every power to try and carry out that sentence again.
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I believe that I heard that the victim complained of arm swelling and pain. Typical symptoms of the I.V. not being in the vein. I had that happen once and my arm swelled up to the size of a football because all of the fluids went under the skin.
Quote: lilredrooster.
I hate to admit feeling sympathy for a muderer but I do
she's been tortured
the latest is she's in the hospital in critical condition
it's so very, very horrible
.
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Quote: USA Today/Wikipedia...lured fellow Job Corps student Colleen Slemmer to a remote wooded area on the University of Tennessee agricultural campus...
... Over the course of roughly 30 minutes, Pike and Shipp tortured Slemmer, carved a pentagram into her chest, and beat, slashed, and sliced her with a box cutter and a meat cleaver before bludgeoning her to death with a piece of asphalt. Pike kept a piece of the victim's skull as a trophy...
Subsequent Violence: While incarcerated in 2001, Pike was convicted of attempted first-degree murder after trying to choke another inmate, Patricia Jones, with a shoestring. And...
It was for a young high school aged lad who was a junior fireman in the town's volunteer fire department. Very tragic, he was riding his bicycle from his home to the fire department to assist in the call and was struck by a car and died. He wanted to serve his community with such dedication that as a junior fireman he rode his bike to firehouse for calls - this young man is a true hero.
Quote: DrawingDeadQuote: lilredrooster.
I hate to admit feeling sympathy for a muderer but I do
she's been tortured
the latest is she's in the hospital in critical condition
it's so very, very horrible
.
link to original postQuote: USA Today/Wikipedia...lured fellow Job Corps student Colleen Slemmer to a remote wooded area on the University of Tennessee agricultural campus...
... Over the course of roughly 30 minutes, Pike and Shipp tortured Slemmer, carved a pentagram into her chest, and beat, slashed, and sliced her with a box cutter and a meat cleaver before bludgeoning her to death with a piece of asphalt. Pike kept a piece of the victim's skull as a trophy...
Subsequent Violence: While incarcerated in 2001, Pike was convicted of attempted first-degree murder after trying to choke another inmate, Patricia Jones, with a shoestring. And...
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if it was the friends and/or family of her victims who took revenge on her I would have no comment
but in this instance it was a State Government that did the torturing
it's just not right for a State Government to torture anybody no matter what they did and no matter what their excuse for doing it is
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Quote: DieterQuote: rxwineImpossible to interview subjects to know the best way die. I assume the most natural way to die is like one those animals eaten on the plains alive while being torn apart by smaller animals like wolves.
I remember more pain stubbing my toe than the initial pain of breaking my shoulder and arm.
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It is probably not impossible to gather data on failed and botched executions and then learn from those mistakes.
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I know you can actually be chopped up and not feel or remember a thing. It's called general anesthesia. That's why I feel a need to distinguish that near death is not real death. At least I don't think so,
(avoiding discussion where general anesthesia doesn't seem to put people under)
Quote: rxwineQuote: DieterQuote: rxwineImpossible to interview subjects to know the best way die. I assume the most natural way to die is like one those animals eaten on the plains alive while being torn apart by smaller animals like wolves.
I remember more pain stubbing my toe than the initial pain of breaking my shoulder and arm.
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It is probably not impossible to gather data on failed and botched executions and then learn from those mistakes.
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I know you can actually be chopped up and not feel or remember a thing. It's called general anesthesia. That's why I feel a need to distinguish that near death is not real death. At least I don't think so,
(avoiding discussion where general anesthesia doesn't seem to put people under)
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Not feel, or not remember? Is there a difference, and can you prove the difference?
For every night when I fall asleep, I descend into Hell and suffer for 10000 years! But when I wake up I don't remember any of it. That could be happening to all of us. How would we know?
What makes something real might be the ability to remember it and tell someone else about it.
Quote: Jimmy2TimesWas passing through a small town in Western PA near the Ohio border this past Wednesday and the downtown area was getting ready for a what I though was a parade, people lining the streets, flags draped every where with two hook and ladder fire trucks support a wire between them with a giant flag displayed. Googled the town name this morning to see what it was all about and it was a ceremony for a volunteer fire fighter that was killed in responding to a call.
It was for a young high school aged lad who was a junior fireman in the town's volunteer fire department. Very tragic, he was riding his bicycle from his home to the fire department to assist in the call and was struck by a car and died. He wanted to serve his community with such dedication that as a junior fireman he rode his bike to firehouse for calls - this young man is a true hero.
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He was a hero, but the adults in his life failed him, Firefighjting is an adult job, and requires adults to do it.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Jimmy2TimesWas passing through a small town in Western PA near the Ohio border this past Wednesday and the downtown area was getting ready for a what I though was a parade, people lining the streets, flags draped every where with two hook and ladder fire trucks support a wire between them with a giant flag displayed. Googled the town name this morning to see what it was all about and it was a ceremony for a volunteer fire fighter that was killed in responding to a call.
It was for a young high school aged lad who was a junior fireman in the town's volunteer fire department. Very tragic, he was riding his bicycle from his home to the fire department to assist in the call and was struck by a car and died. He wanted to serve his community with such dedication that as a junior fireman he rode his bike to firehouse for calls - this young man is a true hero.
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He was a hero, but the adults in his life failed him, Firefighjting is an adult job, and requires adults to do it.
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He was not fighting a fire, he was riding his bike. To the firehouse. From what I've seen a junior fireman does not go to a fire, he gets his training by cleaning and maintaining the equipment, which is a lot of work in a fire department.
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if it was the friends and/or family of her victims who took revenge on her I would have no comment
but in this instance it was a State Government that did the torturing
It is much worse that that. The State government failed to punish any of the many men who raped and brutalized Pike and turned her into the monster she became. I also wonder about those who created the environment when sociopath teens could hang out, take drugs, and exchange murder fantasies. And it failed to properly sanction the other two perpetrators one of whom escaped punishment by ratting Pike out.
If Pike deserves to be executed a lot of people should be up there with her. The men responsible for creating her, not just her rapists and abusers but those public officials who failed her, her negligent mother, her pathetic defense team and the grandstanding governor.
Quote: GrahamThorpQuote: lilredrooster
if it was the friends and/or family of her victims who took revenge on her I would have no comment
but in this instance it was a State Government that did the torturing
It is much worse that that. The State government failed to punish any of the many men who raped and brutalized Pike and turned her into the monster she became. I also wonder about those who created the environment when sociopath teens could hang out, take drugs, and exchange murder fantasies. And it failed to properly sanction the other two perpetrators one of whom escaped punishment by ratting Pike out.
If Pike deserves to be executed a lot of people should be up there with her. The men responsible for creating her, not just her rapists and abusers but those public officials who failed her, her negligent mother, her pathetic defense team and the grandstanding governor.
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What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
Every adult female murderer I'm aware of has more stories than Shakespeare where it's really all someone else's fault. At least some of the men embrace it, because of the fearsome status being a brutal murderer conveys in prison life.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: rxwineQuote: DieterQuote: rxwineImpossible to interview subjects to know the best way die. I assume the most natural way to die is like one those animals eaten on the plains alive while being torn apart by smaller animals like wolves.
I remember more pain stubbing my toe than the initial pain of breaking my shoulder and arm.
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It is probably not impossible to gather data on failed and botched executions and then learn from those mistakes.
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I know you can actually be chopped up and not feel or remember a thing. It's called general anesthesia. That's why I feel a need to distinguish that near death is not real death. At least I don't think so,
Rent
(avoiding discussion where general anesthesia doesn't seem to put people under)
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Not feel, or not remember? Is there a difference, and can you prove the difference?
For every night when I fall asleep, I descend into Hell and suffer for 10000 years! But when I wake up I don't remember any of it. That could be happening to all of us. How would we know? Jor
What makes something real might be the ability to remember it and tell someone else about it.
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I usually cite what I guess would be the probability of something, rather than claim proof. Will the sun be apparent in the sky tomorrow even if behind clouds? I assume is close to 100%. Will alien starships be hovering over all major capitols tomorrow? Some tiny tiny tiny percentile of 1% I’d guess. So, l’m putting yours much closer to the second. But who really knows?
Quote: AutomaticMonkey
What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
The abuse is supported by police, court and medical records, and is not disputed by the state.
Claude Davis criminal case (North Carolina, around 1987). Arrest record, release on bond, charging document and plea record. Pike was 11.
North Carolina police report, rape at 17. Pike reported being thrown to the ground and raped while walking to the store.
Hospital rape kit, collected after the rape at 17.
Criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend for punching her in the face. Filed, then settled.
Elementary school drawings of a sexualised nature.
Psychiatric and therapy records following her suicide attempt (acetaminophen overdose) in third grade.
Records from around age 15.
Her mother's sworn testimony about her childhood, including the third-grade overdose.
Tennessee Department of Correction medical records.
Post-conviction hearing testimony, including witnesses on her upbringing.
Tennessee Attorney General's Office statement in court (13 August 2026) that the state does not contest the abuse she suffered.
Main sources
Clemency petition: https://nbc16.com/resources/pdf/f250727a-5607-4cb8-a3ae-4c4c78b9d0f1-christapikeclemencypetition.pdf
NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike
Front Page Detectives: https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/christa-pike-seeks-clemency-weeks-before-scheduled-execution-citing-childhood-trauma-and-alleged-abuse
Documents linked from Wikipedia (closer to the primary records)
Claude Davis charging and no-contest plea: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPa-oCvyCgsBcUhox9NkDOLSSt8LtUAO/view
Pike v. State (2011 appeals ruling, including her mother's testimony): https://web.archive.org/web/20231116215805/https://casetext.com/case/pike-v-state-15
Bethany Brand forensic evaluation (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSEZ_lV40xlIsEVBuQV8zkvP2nSKS3Gc/view
Bethany Brand addendum (2026): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MlKtnAKCTBNXSJHNg0cwXpECwPsAGLgx/view
Court filings
Pike's response brief to the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426083/20260930140414374_Response%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Tennessee's application to vacate the stay: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426007/20260930103915876_Pike%20Christa--%20USSC--%20Application%20to%20Vacate%20Stay%20of%20Execution--%20final%20version.pdf
Quote: GrahamThorpQuote: AutomaticMonkey
What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
The abuse is supported by police, court and medical records, and is not disputed by the state.
Claude Davis criminal case (North Carolina, around 1987). Arrest record, release on bond, charging document and plea record. Pike was 11.
North Carolina police report, rape at 17. Pike reported being thrown to the ground and raped while walking to the store.
Hospital rape kit, collected after the rape at 17.
Criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend for punching her in the face. Filed, then settled.
Elementary school drawings of a sexualised nature.
Psychiatric and therapy records following her suicide attempt (acetaminophen overdose) in third grade.
Records from around age 15.
Her mother's sworn testimony about her childhood, including the third-grade overdose.
Tennessee Department of Correction medical records.
Post-conviction hearing testimony, including witnesses on her upbringing.
Tennessee Attorney General's Office statement in court (13 August 2026) that the state does not contest the abuse she suffered.
Main sources
Clemency petition: https://nbc16.com/resources/pdf/f250727a-5607-4cb8-a3ae-4c4c78b9d0f1-christapikeclemencypetition.pdf
NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike
Front Page Detectives: https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/christa-pike-seeks-clemency-weeks-before-scheduled-execution-citing-childhood-trauma-and-alleged-abuse
Documents linked from Wikipedia (closer to the primary records)
Claude Davis charging and no-contest plea: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPa-oCvyCgsBcUhox9NkDOLSSt8LtUAO/view
Pike v. State (2011 appeals ruling, including her mother's testimony): https://web.archive.org/web/20231116215805/https://casetext.com/case/pike-v-state-15
Bethany Brand forensic evaluation (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSEZ_lV40xlIsEVBuQV8zkvP2nSKS3Gc/view
Bethany Brand addendum (2026): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MlKtnAKCTBNXSJHNg0cwXpECwPsAGLgx/view
Court filings
Pike's response brief to the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426083/20260930140414374_Response%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Tennessee's application to vacate the stay: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426007/20260930103915876_Pike%20Christa--%20USSC--%20Application%20to%20Vacate%20Stay%20of%20Execution--%20final%20version.pdf
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: GrahamThorpQuote: AutomaticMonkey
What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
The abuse is supported by police, court and medical records, and is not disputed by the state.
Claude Davis criminal case (North Carolina, around 1987). Arrest record, release on bond, charging document and plea record. Pike was 11.
North Carolina police report, rape at 17. Pike reported being thrown to the ground and raped while walking to the store.
Hospital rape kit, collected after the rape at 17.
Criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend for punching her in the face. Filed, then settled.
Elementary school drawings of a sexualised nature.
Psychiatric and therapy records following her suicide attempt (acetaminophen overdose) in third grade.
Records from around age 15.
Her mother's sworn testimony about her childhood, including the third-grade overdose.
Tennessee Department of Correction medical records.
Post-conviction hearing testimony, including witnesses on her upbringing.
Tennessee Attorney General's Office statement in court (13 August 2026) that the state does not contest the abuse she suffered.
Main sources
Clemency petition: https://nbc16.com/resources/pdf/f250727a-5607-4cb8-a3ae-4c4c78b9d0f1-christapikeclemencypetition.pdf
NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike
Front Page Detectives: https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/christa-pike-seeks-clemency-weeks-before-scheduled-execution-citing-childhood-trauma-and-alleged-abuse
Documents linked from Wikipedia (closer to the primary records)
Claude Davis charging and no-contest plea: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPa-oCvyCgsBcUhox9NkDOLSSt8LtUAO/view
Pike v. State (2011 appeals ruling, including her mother's testimony): https://web.archive.org/web/20231116215805/https://casetext.com/case/pike-v-state-15
Bethany Brand forensic evaluation (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSEZ_lV40xlIsEVBuQV8zkvP2nSKS3Gc/view
Bethany Brand addendum (2026): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MlKtnAKCTBNXSJHNg0cwXpECwPsAGLgx/view
Court filings
Pike's response brief to the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426083/20260930140414374_Response%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Tennessee's application to vacate the stay: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426007/20260930103915876_Pike%20Christa--%20USSC--%20Application%20to%20Vacate%20Stay%20of%20Execution--%20final%20version.pdf
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
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Automatic Monkey, April 27th, 2026 at 9:12:45 AM
Quote:In my faith my forgiveness is contingent on insisting others be forgiven, and helping people avoid punishment draws me closer to the one who would prefer no one be punished.
So what's changed?
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: GrahamThorpQuote: AutomaticMonkey
What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
The abuse is supported by police, court and medical records, and is not disputed by the state.
Claude Davis criminal case (North Carolina, around 1987). Arrest record, release on bond, charging document and plea record. Pike was 11.
North Carolina police report, rape at 17. Pike reported being thrown to the ground and raped while walking to the store.
Hospital rape kit, collected after the rape at 17.
Criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend for punching her in the face. Filed, then settled.
Elementary school drawings of a sexualised nature.
Psychiatric and therapy records following her suicide attempt (acetaminophen overdose) in third grade.
Records from around age 15.
Her mother's sworn testimony about her childhood, including the third-grade overdose.
Tennessee Department of Correction medical records.
Post-conviction hearing testimony, including witnesses on her upbringing.
Tennessee Attorney General's Office statement in court (13 August 2026) that the state does not contest the abuse she suffered.
Main sources
Clemency petition: https://nbc16.com/resources/pdf/f250727a-5607-4cb8-a3ae-4c4c78b9d0f1-christapikeclemencypetition.pdf
NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike
Front Page Detectives: https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/christa-pike-seeks-clemency-weeks-before-scheduled-execution-citing-childhood-trauma-and-alleged-abuse
Documents linked from Wikipedia (closer to the primary records)
Claude Davis charging and no-contest plea: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPa-oCvyCgsBcUhox9NkDOLSSt8LtUAO/view
Pike v. State (2011 appeals ruling, including her mother's testimony): https://web.archive.org/web/20231116215805/https://casetext.com/case/pike-v-state-15
Bethany Brand forensic evaluation (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSEZ_lV40xlIsEVBuQV8zkvP2nSKS3Gc/view
Bethany Brand addendum (2026): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MlKtnAKCTBNXSJHNg0cwXpECwPsAGLgx/view
Court filings
Pike's response brief to the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426083/20260930140414374_Response%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Tennessee's application to vacate the stay: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426007/20260930103915876_Pike%20Christa--%20USSC--%20Application%20to%20Vacate%20Stay%20of%20Execution--%20final%20version.pdf
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
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Automatic Monkey, April 27th, 2026 at 9:12:45 AM
Quote:In my faith my forgiveness is contingent on insisting others be forgiven, and helping people avoid punishment draws me closer to the one who would prefer no one be punished.
So what's changed?
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: GrahamThorpQuote: AutomaticMonkey
What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
The abuse is supported by police, court and medical records, and is not disputed by the state.
Claude Davis criminal case (North Carolina, around 1987). Arrest record, release on bond, charging document and plea record. Pike was 11.
North Carolina police report, rape at 17. Pike reported being thrown to the ground and raped while walking to the store.
Hospital rape kit, collected after the rape at 17.
Criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend for punching her in the face. Filed, then settled.
Elementary school drawings of a sexualised nature.
Psychiatric and therapy records following her suicide attempt (acetaminophen overdose) in third grade.
Records from around age 15.
Her mother's sworn testimony about her childhood, including the third-grade overdose.
Tennessee Department of Correction medical records.
Post-conviction hearing testimony, including witnesses on her upbringing.
Tennessee Attorney General's Office statement in court (13 August 2026) that the state does not contest the abuse she suffered.
Main sources
Clemency petition: https://nbc16.com/resources/pdf/f250727a-5607-4cb8-a3ae-4c4c78b9d0f1-christapikeclemencypetition.pdf
NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike
Front Page Detectives: https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/christa-pike-seeks-clemency-weeks-before-scheduled-execution-citing-childhood-trauma-and-alleged-abuse
Documents linked from Wikipedia (closer to the primary records)
Claude Davis charging and no-contest plea: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPa-oCvyCgsBcUhox9NkDOLSSt8LtUAO/view
Pike v. State (2011 appeals ruling, including her mother's testimony): https://web.archive.org/web/20231116215805/https://casetext.com/case/pike-v-state-15
Bethany Brand forensic evaluation (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSEZ_lV40xlIsEVBuQV8zkvP2nSKS3Gc/view
Bethany Brand addendum (2026): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MlKtnAKCTBNXSJHNg0cwXpECwPsAGLgx/view
Court filings
Pike's response brief to the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426083/20260930140414374_Response%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Tennessee's application to vacate the stay: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426007/20260930103915876_Pike%20Christa--%20USSC--%20Application%20to%20Vacate%20Stay%20of%20Execution--%20final%20version.pdf
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
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Automatic Monkey, April 27th, 2026 at 9:12:45 AMQuote:In my faith my forgiveness is contingent on insisting others be forgiven, and helping people avoid punishment draws me closer to the one who would prefer no one be punished.
So what's changed?
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I am not sure what you are talking about, but I get the feeling you are counting on a combination of quoting someone out of context in contravention of site rules and a lack of reading comprehension of the other site member to help you make a nonexistent point.
And that is why I am permanently blocking you, effective immediately.
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What is your source for those assertions, aside from the predictable sob stories of a criminal who got caught?
The abuse is supported by police, court and medical records, and is not disputed by the state.
Claude Davis criminal case (North Carolina, around 1987). Arrest record, release on bond, charging document and plea record. Pike was 11.
North Carolina police report, rape at 17. Pike reported being thrown to the ground and raped while walking to the store.
Hospital rape kit, collected after the rape at 17.
Criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend for punching her in the face. Filed, then settled.
Elementary school drawings of a sexualised nature.
Psychiatric and therapy records following her suicide attempt (acetaminophen overdose) in third grade.
Records from around age 15.
Her mother's sworn testimony about her childhood, including the third-grade overdose.
Tennessee Department of Correction medical records.
Post-conviction hearing testimony, including witnesses on her upbringing.
Tennessee Attorney General's Office statement in court (13 August 2026) that the state does not contest the abuse she suffered.
Main sources
Clemency petition: https://nbc16.com/resources/pdf/f250727a-5607-4cb8-a3ae-4c4c78b9d0f1-christapikeclemencypetition.pdf
NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike
Front Page Detectives: https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/christa-pike-seeks-clemency-weeks-before-scheduled-execution-citing-childhood-trauma-and-alleged-abuse
Documents linked from Wikipedia (closer to the primary records)
Claude Davis charging and no-contest plea: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPa-oCvyCgsBcUhox9NkDOLSSt8LtUAO/view
Pike v. State (2011 appeals ruling, including her mother's testimony): https://web.archive.org/web/20231116215805/https://casetext.com/case/pike-v-state-15
Bethany Brand forensic evaluation (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSEZ_lV40xlIsEVBuQV8zkvP2nSKS3Gc/view
Bethany Brand addendum (2026): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MlKtnAKCTBNXSJHNg0cwXpECwPsAGLgx/view
Court filings
Pike's response brief to the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426083/20260930140414374_Response%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Tennessee's application to vacate the stay: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/26/26A428/426007/20260930103915876_Pike%20Christa--%20USSC--%20Application%20to%20Vacate%20Stay%20of%20Execution--%20final%20version.pdf
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
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Automatic Monkey, April 27th, 2026 at 9:12:45 AMQuote:In my faith my forgiveness is contingent on insisting others be forgiven, and helping people avoid punishment draws me closer to the one who would prefer no one be punished.
So what's changed?
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I am not sure what you are talking about, but I get the feeling you are counting on a combination of quoting someone out of context in contravention of site rules and a lack of reading comprehension of the other site member to help you make a nonexistent point.
And that is why I am permanently blocking you, effective immediately.
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Somehow, I will still sleep well tonight and into the future.
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
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The record isn't an "indecent touch": the petition describes a 37-year-old man raping an 11-year-old, and his plea was to a lesser charge, which reflects a plea bargain rather than a finding of fact. There's also a police report and hospital rape kit from age 17, and psychiatric records from age 8, all made years before the murder. Tennessee told a court in August that it doesn't dispute them.
"The rest is self-reported or defence-reported."
Several records were made at the time, years before the murder, by people with no stake in a future defence:
the police report of the rape at 17, and the hospital rape kit;
psychiatric treatment after her overdose in third grade;
the criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend.
You are incorrect that background has no place in criminal justice. In Eddings v. Oklahoma, the US Supreme Court held that a sentence in a capital case must consider exactly this kind of evidence. It doesn't decide guilt; it decides whether death is the appropriate sentence. The jury that sentenced Pike never heard it.
"The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act" Three people committed the murder. One got off for ratting Pike out. The other, Pike's boyfriend, was the one who carved the pentacle on the victim's chest. He was too young to face the death penalty. No one is claiming that Pike had sole responsibility for the murder,
it's really quite ironic
first they tried to kill her and failed
now they're trying to save her life
what a crazy world this is
from the New York Times:
"Christa Pike is currently hospitalized in critical condition, unconscious and on a ventilator. Medical staff are working to clear the lethal drugs from her system."
from CNN:
" Experts note it remains unclear if she has suffered permanent brain damage from the pentobarbital entering her system"
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Quote:Key Differences Between Human Lethal Injection and Veterinary Euthanasia
Feature Christa Pike Execution Attempt Standard Veterinary Euthanasia
Medical Personnel Carried out by prison execution teams with minimal oversight, as the American Medical Association strictly prohibits doctors from participating. Administered by licensed, highly trained veterinarians specialized in vascular anatomy.
Drug Quality Relies on degraded or unverified compounding pharmacy batches, which can suffer from chemical instability, impurities, or altered pH. Uses FDA-approved, commercially regulated pharmaceuticals designed to ensure reliable, swift induction.
Pre-Sedation Protocol Often lacking or inadequate. In Pike's case, the primary drug was administered directly into failing intravenous lines without an established surgical plane of anesthesia. Prioritizes heavy pre-euthanasia sedatives or anesthetics so the animal is completely unconscious and pain-free before any terminal drugs are given.
Handling of Complications Execution teams struggled through at least seven needle attempts, pushing the drug into surrounding tissue instead of the bloodstream, causing blistering and burning. If a vein cannot be cleanly accessed due to poor blood pressure, veterinarians adjust to alternate paths (like a jugular catheter or intra-organ injection) only after full sedation.
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Only one of those claims is supported by any finding of fact, that she got an indecent touch from a dirty man once. The rest of it is self-reported or defense-reported- i.e., excuses. And I suppose if we want to punish this Claude Davis we need to go back in his life and see what made him think fondling an underage girl was a good idea?
Even the indecent touch excuses nothing. If it was a boy her own age touching her that would still be considered misbehavior but also part of the normal learning and maturation process, just like trying a smoke and a drink at that age is. We don't allow it, but we expect it and don't worry too much about it. Most people have experienced something like that, and I myself had to flee a public toilet at age 12 because of some attempts at touching by a dirty sod in there. All that was to me was an educational experience, that there are sods who congregate in public toilets and misbehave in there and I have to be situationally aware in a restroom. By what stretch do I get from "Dirty man wanted to touch me at the urinal" to "I need to bludgeon someone to death?"
It would take a severe mental illness or personality disorder to make that stretch and no one is denying she has at least one of those, as do many millions of others who do not commit murder. The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act, as that person is the immediate cause, and causes further removed from immediacy are too speculative to have any place in a criminal justice system.
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The record isn't an "indecent touch": the petition describes a 37-year-old man raping an 11-year-old, and his plea was to a lesser charge, which reflects a plea bargain rather than a finding of fact. There's also a police report and hospital rape kit from age 17, and psychiatric records from age 8, all made years before the murder. Tennessee told a court in August that it doesn't dispute them.
"The rest is self-reported or defence-reported."
Several records were made at the time, years before the murder, by people with no stake in a future defence:
the police report of the rape at 17, and the hospital rape kit;
psychiatric treatment after her overdose in third grade;
the criminal charges against her mother's boyfriend.
You are incorrect that background has no place in criminal justice. In Eddings v. Oklahoma, the US Supreme Court held that a sentence in a capital case must consider exactly this kind of evidence. It doesn't decide guilt; it decides whether death is the appropriate sentence. The jury that sentenced Pike never heard it.
"The retribution must fall upon the one who willfully committed an act" Three people committed the murder. One got off for ratting Pike out. The other, Pike's boyfriend, was the one who carved the pentacle on the victim's chest. He was too young to face the death penalty. No one is claiming that Pike had sole responsibility for the murder,
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You are incorrect. To those of us who actually read the charges against the 37-year old assailant of Christa Pike, the charge was indecent liberties and the specific act was described as touching her in the area of her pants. There was no plea bargain, just a suspended sentence, and the way the sentence was pronounced and the fact that the defendant's signature was printed and misspelled suggests this person was mentally handicapped, to the point where he cannot spell and sign his own name.
And that was the only finding of fact. That means something was presented to a court, the court examined it and gave a verdict. Police reports, hospital reports, psychiatric reports are not findings of fact; they are statements. While it's true that there are things in a convicted felon's background that are considered ameliorating factors just like things that are aggravating factors, there are rulings in effect as to exactly what those things are. "Dirty man touched me at the bus stop" is not one of them, nor is "My goldfish died" or "A girl at school called me ugly." They have to be things that demonstrably affect your motivations to the point where you would not recognize your own act as being as heinous and worthy of capital punishment as the rest of us would. But usually any attempt to defend or conceal the behavior, or make it look like something else rules that defense out, because that shows you knew how the rest of the world would see it and did it anyway.
It's kind of like the "death penalty" rule on this site, where it is usually reserved for people who make socks for the purpose of evading suspensions. You know?
But my claim that it has no place in criminal justice was in response to your suggestion that people like Claude Davis in her past share the guilt. We cannot do that, because that would require speculating about what kind of person she would be if she had never met the dirty man and that leaves us in the world of fantasy, rather than fact. A frightening experience like that could have just as easily made her a more thoughtful person, who recognizes violative acts for what they are and intently avoids committing them, but if making her a better person is how it turned out we certainly wouldn't reward the dirty man for his indecent touching. He is judged for his acts only, and she is judged for her acts only.
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You are incorrect. To those of us who actually read the charges against the 37-year old assailant of Christa Pike, the charge was indecent liberties
First, the technical charge was "misdemeanour assault on a child under 12" not "indecent liberties". Second you only read the charge because I provided it, You have failed to produce any sources, any quotations, anything other than your consistently incorrect opinion on any matter concerning this case.
"Police reports, hospital reports, psychiatric reports are not findings of fact; they are statements."
I think you probably lost everyone with this absurd sentence.
The state itself, which tried Pike and sentenced her to death, acknowledged the serial abuse Pike had suffered. It is you and alone who are denying it took place, literally no one else is. It is not up for debate.
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Quote:Key Differences Between Human Lethal Injection and Veterinary Euthanasia
Feature Christa Pike Execution Attempt Standard Veterinary Euthanasia
Medical Personnel Carried out by prison execution teams with minimal oversight, as the American Medical Association strictly prohibits doctors from participating. Administered by licensed, highly trained veterinarians specialized in vascular anatomy.
Drug Quality Relies on degraded or unverified compounding pharmacy batches, which can suffer from chemical instability, impurities, or altered pH. Uses FDA-approved, commercially regulated pharmaceuticals designed to ensure reliable, swift induction.
Pre-Sedation Protocol Often lacking or inadequate. In Pike's case, the primary drug was administered directly into failing intravenous lines without an established surgical plane of anesthesia. Prioritizes heavy pre-euthanasia sedatives or anesthetics so the animal is completely unconscious and pain-free before any terminal drugs are given.
Handling of Complications Execution teams struggled through at least seven needle attempts, pushing the drug into surrounding tissue instead of the bloodstream, causing blistering and burning. If a vein cannot be cleanly accessed due to poor blood pressure, veterinarians adjust to alternate paths (like a jugular catheter or intra-organ injection) only after full sedation.
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I just want to highlight one reason you shouldn’t quote…..
garbage!
It says the American Medical Association strictly prohibits…
Are you aware that only around ONE IN SEVEN doctors are even members of the AMA? And it’s just a trade organization unable to ‘prohibit’ anything. The AMA has sold out America’s doctors years ago, so that’s why so few are members.
When part of the article is so wrong, what gives you confidence that any of the rest of it is accurate?
https://www.breakthroughjournal.org/p/things-that-apparently-cause-cancer
At Harvard they say living near a nuclear power plant can measurably increase your risk of developing cancer. But not nearly as much as living near a Costco!
Living near Harvard is pretty risky too. Harvard needs to be banned.
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Quote:Key Differences Between Human Lethal Injection and Veterinary Euthanasia
Feature Christa Pike Execution Attempt Standard Veterinary Euthanasia
Medical Personnel Carried out by prison execution teams with minimal oversight, as the American Medical Association strictly prohibits doctors from participating. Administered by licensed, highly trained veterinarians specialized in vascular anatomy.
Drug Quality Relies on degraded or unverified compounding pharmacy batches, which can suffer from chemical instability, impurities, or altered pH. Uses FDA-approved, commercially regulated pharmaceuticals designed to ensure reliable, swift induction.
Pre-Sedation Protocol Often lacking or inadequate. In Pike's case, the primary drug was administered directly into failing intravenous lines without an established surgical plane of anesthesia. Prioritizes heavy pre-euthanasia sedatives or anesthetics so the animal is completely unconscious and pain-free before any terminal drugs are given.
Handling of Complications Execution teams struggled through at least seven needle attempts, pushing the drug into surrounding tissue instead of the bloodstream, causing blistering and burning. If a vein cannot be cleanly accessed due to poor blood pressure, veterinarians adjust to alternate paths (like a jugular catheter or intra-organ injection) only after full sedation.
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I just want to highlight one reason you shouldn’t quote…..
garbage!
It says the American Medical Association strictly prohibits…
Are you aware that only around ONE IN SEVEN doctors are even members of the AMA? And it’s just a trade organization unable to ‘prohibit’ anything. The AMA has sold out America’s doctors years ago, so that’s why so few are members.
When part of the article is so wrong, what gives you confidence that any of the rest of it is accurate?
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Well? Do doctors take the Hippocratic Oath or not? Are Veterinarians highly trained or not? Are MDs participating in executions violating the oath or not?
Was there a technical procedure in the above clearly described incorrectly that you like to point out is nonsense?
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You are incorrect. To those of us who actually read the charges against the 37-year old assailant of Christa Pike, the charge was indecent liberties
First, the technical charge was "misdemeanour assault on a child under 12" not "indecent liberties". Second you only read the charge because I provided it, You have failed to produce any sources, any quotations, anything other than your consistently incorrect opinion on any matter concerning this case.
"Police reports, hospital reports, psychiatric reports are not findings of fact; they are statements."
I think you probably lost everyone with this absurd sentence.
The state itself, which tried Pike and sentenced her to death, acknowledged the serial abuse Pike had suffered. It is you and alone who are denying it took place, literally no one else is. It is not up for debate.
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OK I get it now. English as a second language.
Police reports are not findings of fact. Anyone can walk into a police station in the US and report something. The policeman's job is to record your complaint and make his own observations using his training and judgment. First he determines if what you are describing is a crime, and under what statute, then he uses his senses- what he is seeing and hearing, to determine if there is probable cause that a particular person within his jurisdiction is more likely than not to have committed that act, and in that case he swears an oath, detains the person in question and presents him to the court to be formally arraigned. I have been part of this process several times. The terms "probable" and "more likely than not" are not compatible with something being a "fact." He is presenting someone else's statement and his trained opinion, and indeed if he were to represent it as a fact is would be unseemly as a police officer as well as a criminal complainant are just witnesses in a criminal case, the victim is said to be "the People" or "the State" which is why it is the state's attorney bringing the charges to the court. Much like charges being brought by "the Crown" within the Raj. It is the court, with its judge and jury that is the finder of fact.
Medical reports are similar in that a medical professional treating a living patient is charged with care of the patient, not finding facts, and indeed care of the patient and complying with the wishes of the patient supersede any fact. If a patient doesn't want to undress or be examined in some way or another they don't have to be, if they don't want to answer a question they don't have to, and any interaction they have with a licensed medical professional is private and legally privileged. Thus it can't be an unbiased inquiry because the patient has some degree of control over what goes into that report, unlike a criminal investigation by police detectives where they get a warrant from a court and anything they find within the scope of that warrant is accepted as evidence, and unlike a physician they are required to retain and present any exculpatory evidence they find, rather than just what makes one side or the other feel comfortable.
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Quote:Key Differences Between Human Lethal Injection and Veterinary Euthanasia
Feature Christa Pike Execution Attempt Standard Veterinary Euthanasia
Medical Personnel Carried out by prison execution teams with minimal oversight, as the American Medical Association strictly prohibits doctors from participating. Administered by licensed, highly trained veterinarians specialized in vascular anatomy.
Drug Quality Relies on degraded or unverified compounding pharmacy batches, which can suffer from chemical instability, impurities, or altered pH. Uses FDA-approved, commercially regulated pharmaceuticals designed to ensure reliable, swift induction.
Pre-Sedation Protocol Often lacking or inadequate. In Pike's case, the primary drug was administered directly into failing intravenous lines without an established surgical plane of anesthesia. Prioritizes heavy pre-euthanasia sedatives or anesthetics so the animal is completely unconscious and pain-free before any terminal drugs are given.
Handling of Complications Execution teams struggled through at least seven needle attempts, pushing the drug into surrounding tissue instead of the bloodstream, causing blistering and burning. If a vein cannot be cleanly accessed due to poor blood pressure, veterinarians adjust to alternate paths (like a jugular catheter or intra-organ injection) only after full sedation.
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I just want to highlight one reason you shouldn’t quote…..
garbage!
It says the American Medical Association strictly prohibits…
Are you aware that only around ONE IN SEVEN doctors are even members of the AMA? And it’s just a trade organization unable to ‘prohibit’ anything. The AMA has sold out America’s doctors years ago, so that’s why so few are members.
When part of the article is so wrong, what gives you confidence that any of the rest of it is accurate?
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Yeah RX, get it right. All the doctors work for Big Pharma now and that's the truth. They bow and scrape and say yes Sir and no Sir to Big Pharma
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AANtDVtTlL4
Quote: rxwineQuote: SOOPOOQuote: rxwineSorry, block of text, being too lazy to format my google ai question.
Quote:Key Differences Between Human Lethal Injection and Veterinary Euthanasia
Feature Christa Pike Execution Attempt Standard Veterinary Euthanasia
Medical Personnel Carried out by prison execution teams with minimal oversight, as the American Medical Association strictly prohibits doctors from participating. Administered by licensed, highly trained veterinarians specialized in vascular anatomy.
Drug Quality Relies on degraded or unverified compounding pharmacy batches, which can suffer from chemical instability, impurities, or altered pH. Uses FDA-approved, commercially regulated pharmaceuticals designed to ensure reliable, swift induction.
Pre-Sedation Protocol Often lacking or inadequate. In Pike's case, the primary drug was administered directly into failing intravenous lines without an established surgical plane of anesthesia. Prioritizes heavy pre-euthanasia sedatives or anesthetics so the animal is completely unconscious and pain-free before any terminal drugs are given.
Handling of Complications Execution teams struggled through at least seven needle attempts, pushing the drug into surrounding tissue instead of the bloodstream, causing blistering and burning. If a vein cannot be cleanly accessed due to poor blood pressure, veterinarians adjust to alternate paths (like a jugular catheter or intra-organ injection) only after full sedation.
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I just want to highlight one reason you shouldn’t quote…..
garbage!
It says the American Medical Association strictly prohibits…
Are you aware that only around ONE IN SEVEN doctors are even members of the AMA? And it’s just a trade organization unable to ‘prohibit’ anything. The AMA has sold out America’s doctors years ago, so that’s why so few are members.
When part of the article is so wrong, what gives you confidence that any of the rest of it is accurate?
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Well? Do doctors take the Hippocratic Oath or not? Are Veterinarians highly trained or not? Are MDs participating in executions violating the oath or not?
Was there a technical procedure in the above clearly described incorrectly that you like to point out is nonsense?
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I did take the Hippocratic Oath! A lot depends on how you define ‘harm’. In most cases, the ‘patient’ does not want to die, and in those cases I’d say participating is violating the Oath. There are examples when the ‘patient’ is not contesting the death penalty, and in those cases, I do not think a participating physician is violating his oath. This same discussion applies to physician assisted suicide, which I am in favor of being legal.
Veterinarians are highly trained, and participate in terminating life on a daily basis.
Having put in perhaps 50,000 IVs in my career, the vast majority are easy and you are sure they are in a vein. In those cases where it is iffy, there are a few ways to check BEFORE you would administer any lethal doses. They obviously ‘hoped’ rather than ‘checked’.
So, yeah, I’d have liked the article to have interviewed the guy who put the IV in. Lots of simple questions to be asked and answered.
My point is you think because the AMA is mentioned it adds some authority. It is just an organization whose purpose is to raise money for itself.
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My point is you think because the AMA is mentioned it adds some authority. It is just an organization whose purpose is to raise money for itself.
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So, I should cite you instead? Or what?
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My point is you think because the AMA is mentioned it adds some authority. It is just an organization whose purpose is to raise money for itself.
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So, I should cite you instead? Or what?
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You can cite me if you want. I know I don’t have any financial stake in making you think I’m the authoritative expert on the matter. Just helping out here.
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My point is you think because the AMA is mentioned it adds some authority. It is just an organization whose purpose is to raise money for itself.
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So, I should cite you instead? Or what?
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You can cite me if you want. I know I don’t have any financial stake in making you think I’m the authoritative expert on the matter. Just helping out here.
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No offense, but I'd rather cite a large organization than a single MD, Furthermore, I can't see much financial incentive either way on an average of 30 executions a year. I don't even think Dr Kevorkian could make a decent living off that many. (although I believe he worked for free.)
Interesting tidbit I found on him.
Quote:At a 1958 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Kevorkian proposed that inmates on death row have the option of dying under anesthesia in medical experiments rather than face the electric chair or gas chamber. (His views led officials to eject Kevorkian, a pathologist, from his U-M residency.)
Medical experiments?
That Kevorkian was a real card, as the old timers would say.
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Interesting tidbit I found on him.Quote:At a 1958 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Kevorkian proposed that inmates on death row have the option of dying under anesthesia in medical experiments rather than face the electric chair or gas chamber. (His views led officials to eject Kevorkian, a pathologist, from his U-M residency.)
Medical experiments?
That Kevorkian was a real card, as the old timers would say.
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Wow I didn't know he had been at that hobby of his for such a long time.
From the things he would say and do, I suspect he was a necrophiliac and was getting off on this. Always wanted to be up close and watching, like it was porn.
A grandfather left his grandson his $300,000 IRA after discussions with the boy's parents. The idea was to let the money sit and grow until the boy was much older and either use it for a house or as his own retirement plan. Unfortunately, that isn't how inherited IRAs work. The money needs to be disbursed over the next ten years and is taxed at the parents' tax bracket. Assuming the parents are middle class, federal taxes will take about 25%, and the withdrawals won't grow tax-deferred, as intended.
Anyone with an understanding of the system could have easily accomplished the grandfather's intentions. Annuities present a different, easily fixed dilemma, but only if you do it in advance.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2026/10/08/watch-las-vegas-showgirls-accused-of-brawling-with-tourists-over-20-tip/
That sounds like a good attraction, and quite a bargain, to be beaten by pseudo-showgirls for a mere $20. A dominatrix charges much more. Maybe this will be just the thing to rejuvenate the Strip and bring back the crowds.
I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
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I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
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As I understand, freezing credit isn't the massive hassle many fear. If you do plan on opening a new credit line, it's a few extra phone calls first. Otherwise... business as usual.
(Keen to hear otherwise.)
Quote: DieterQuote: lilredrooster.
I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
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As I understand, freezing credit isn't the massive hassle many fear. If you do plan on opening a new credit line, it's a few extra phone calls first. Otherwise... business as usual.
(Keen to hear otherwise.)
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I didn't freeze my credit but I placed a fraud alert with equifax.com who will notify other credit bureaus
anybody can check if their ss# has been leaked, millions have been, at the link:
https://www.experian.com/protection/free-dark-web-email-scan/
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Quote: lilredrooster.
I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
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That almost sounds like a sales call that you got. Exposed, where, how, and in conjunction with what? If I type random 9 digit numbers I will quickly hit someone's SSN and if I follow the rules they use for issuing SSNs I'll hit one maybe as often as I don't. Without any additional information that's not very useful to anyone.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: lilredrooster.
I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
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That almost sounds like a sales call that you got. Exposed, where, how, and in conjunction with what? If I type random 9 digit numbers I will quickly hit someone's SSN and if I follow the rules they use for issuing SSNs I'll hit one maybe as often as I don't. Without any additional information that's not very useful to anyone.
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I take a message from my bank pretty seriously
I also know many have my name and email address from all the spam emails I get
I don't think they have my phone # or date of birth or address which they also would probably need
so it may not be easy for anyone to open an account in my name
still, there's this - so it is concerning
from experian:
"597,766 credit card fraud reports to the FTC in the U.S. in 2025, with total identity theft and credit card complaints surpassing 1.15 million to 1.35 million reports."
from Security.org:
"61.3 million Americans (about one in three adults) experienced unauthorized credit card charges over a 12-month period, accumulating roughly $6.1 billion in unauthorized charges."
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: lilredrooster.
I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
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That almost sounds like a sales call that you got. Exposed, where, how, and in conjunction with what? If I type random 9 digit numbers I will quickly hit someone's SSN and if I follow the rules they use for issuing SSNs I'll hit one maybe as often as I don't. Without any additional information that's not very useful to anyone.
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I once made a list of how many entities have my SSN. And multiply that number by how many employees they have that have some level of access to it. Oh hell, I’m bored…
Doctor (in my case, multiple)
Dentist
An hospital you’ve visited
Pharmacy (also multiple)
Sportsbooks (multiple)
IRS
NYS tax department
Bank (multiple)
Stock brokerages
Phone company
Gas company
Electric Company
Water agency
Employer
Mortgage company
Life insurance company
Social security administration
Pension administrator
Lawyer
Separate lawyer representing my long lost relative who surprisingly emigrated to Nigeria, and now is trying to give me $5,000,000 from his estate!
Etc…
The thought that a SSN is ‘secure’ is silly.
In other news: BREAKING: Hackers remotely defrost refrigerators at hundreds of French supermarkets, causing massive food spoilage.
Quote: SOOPOOI once made a list of how many entities have my SSN. And multiply that number by how many employees they have that have some level of access to it.
the difference of course is:
those are legitimate uses of your s.s. #
of course a rogue employee could misuse the info
but the Dark Web puts that info out there specifically for people who want to do something nefarious
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Years ago, a Nevada man found one at a thrift shop and paid $10. It hung in his man cave for years before his wife wanted to reclaim the garage. The man donated all his wall hangings to a charity thrift shop. Hours later, a man who suspected it might be a Stone Copy bought it for $2.48. It took years to authenticate it and prove it was from the 1820s issue and not a later batch printed in the 1830s. It recently went to auction with an estimated value of $125,000. It sold for nearly $450,000.
Two other copies have surfaced in the last few years, so more may be out there. Less than half have been accounted for.
Rolls Royce La Rose Noire Droptail
pricetag - $30 million___________________________:)
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I got a message from my bank that my S.S. # has been exposed on the Dark Web
the recommendation is to freeze my credit which I don't think I'm going to do
if someone scams me I will just contest the charges and I believe they will have to be wiped out
searching indicates that millions in the U.S. have had their S.S. # exposed as I have
.
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As I understand, freezing credit isn't the massive hassle many fear. If you do plan on opening a new credit line, it's a few extra phone calls first. Otherwise... business as usual.
(Keen to hear otherwise.)
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It's not. Mine is frozen. I applied for something maybe power for my empty rental unit and they said it was froze. I unfroze it while on the phone with them and automated the re-freeze for 10 minutes later. Three bureaus will take you 20 minutes or so.
If you can order Amazon you can do it.
