Ranking Top Contributors
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:08:02 AM
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I suggest changing the method for ranking the top contributors.
Currently the rankings only reflect the number of posts, including posts that lack any worthwhile content.
Top contributors should be those who bring important content to the forum.
I suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
Argumentative posts, posts that are repetitive, posts without substantial content, posts that are off topic, would no longer count towards the top contributor rankings.
This way we'll know who the true top contributors are and would eliminate the spammers.
Currently the rankings only reflect the number of posts, including posts that lack any worthwhile content.
Top contributors should be those who bring important content to the forum.
I suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
Argumentative posts, posts that are repetitive, posts without substantial content, posts that are off topic, would no longer count towards the top contributor rankings.
This way we'll know who the true top contributors are and would eliminate the spammers.
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:10:23 AM
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Some people have 50,000 tweets. What are you talking about?
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:28:00 AM
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Why would anyone care who the top contributors are? That would be too subjective.
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October 23rd, 2022 at 4:48:22 AM
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Quote: DRichWhy would anyone care who the top contributors are? That would be too subjective.
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Then why are they listed on the website?
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:54:37 AM
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So we know who the usual suspects are.
October 23rd, 2022 at 5:31:38 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
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You seem to be proposing an increase to my colleagues' workload.
What kind of compensation adjustment should they expect? +300%?
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 5:36:49 AM
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Well, it comes down to Quantity ( objective ) vs Quality ( subjective ).
I think most of the regular forum members have already formulated opinions for themselves on which other members contribute QUALITY in terms of the most useful, interesting, or entertaining posts.
I think most of the regular forum members have already formulated opinions for themselves on which other members contribute QUALITY in terms of the most useful, interesting, or entertaining posts.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
October 23rd, 2022 at 5:46:17 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
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You seem to be proposing an increase to my colleagues' workload.
What kind of compensation adjustment should they expect? +300%?
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Who are you working for as a moderator?
If you worked for me when I had my website I would have given you a percentage of the ad revenue to maintain the site's quality.
October 23rd, 2022 at 6:28:42 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
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You seem to be proposing an increase to my colleagues' workload.
What kind of compensation adjustment should they expect? +300%?
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Who are you working for as a moderator?
If you worked for me when I had my website I would have given you a percentage of the ad revenue to maintain the site's quality.
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You are the one proposing the change. Just trying to figure out how juicy the carrot is.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 6:38:27 AM
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Ain't nobody got time for this.
October 23rd, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
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You seem to be proposing an increase to my colleagues' workload.
What kind of compensation adjustment should they expect? +300%?
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I'd open the rankings up to a peer-reviewed system. The occasional poster must know they are as valued and respected as our #1 poster. A valued community member has made a valid suggestion, and a spirited but respectful discussion is merited.
Perhaps the moderators won't mind the additional workload once they recognize how the new ranking system will contribute to the betterment of our forum and society in general.
O.W.L.A.R.
Offered with love and respect.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:08:01 AM
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Or we could just reset the Top 10 board to most posts since January 1, 2020 and make it the "Top 10 of the '20's." But I think it would screw up overall post counts for individual users.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:54:27 AM
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Sometimes just leaving things alone is the right decision.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:58:11 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
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You seem to be proposing an increase to my colleagues' workload.
What kind of compensation adjustment should they expect? +300%?
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I'd open the rankings up to a peer-reviewed system. The occasional poster must know they are as valued and respected as our #1 poster. A valued community member has made a valid suggestion, and a spirited but respectful discussion is merited.
Perhaps the moderators won't mind the additional workload once they recognize how the new ranking system will contribute to the betterment of our forum and society in general.
O.W.L.A.R.
Offered with love and respect.
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So, forum members would be able to form alliances and vote each other to remain on the island?
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM
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They already offer door prizes for "interesting" posters here, as in, "don't let the door hit you on the way out".
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
October 23rd, 2022 at 9:47:32 AM
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Just clean the list up. Right now you've got a dead guy, and somebody else who hasn't posted since 2017 in the top 10 list. Neither one are coming back.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 23rd, 2022 at 9:57:07 AM
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In theory, both will eventually be overtaken. Not that the Top 10 Posters list should ever really matter to anyone, but to what extent it does matter to some people, (for reasons beyond my comprehension) wouldn't it be a bit disrespectful to remove someone from the list for dying?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 23rd, 2022 at 10:06:11 AM
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After reading the comments it appears to me that the list of top posters serves no purpose.
Why is it there?
Thirty years ago forums had a list of top posters to recognize participation and to prompt participation. Hasn't this forum advanced at all from that?
Why is it there?
Thirty years ago forums had a list of top posters to recognize participation and to prompt participation. Hasn't this forum advanced at all from that?
October 23rd, 2022 at 10:16:02 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonAfter reading the comments it appears to me that the list of top posters serves no purpose.
Why is it there?
Thirty years ago forums had a list of top posters to recognize participation and to prompt participation. Hasn't this forum advanced at all from that?
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No, we're somehow just behind the rapid technological and social advancements that other forums have enjoyed.
Anyway, it does have a purpose that's not as clear as it could be. Clicking on, "Top Contributors," takes you to the page used for searching people by name. I guess you could just have a link that says, "User Search," or some such, but this seems like a way to highlight the Top Ten posters and link to that function. I also think that it tells people that the Forum is historically active in the sense that you have people with five digit and high four digit post counts.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 23rd, 2022 at 10:30:44 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI suggest you remove the current rankings and then let the moderators reward worthwhile posts with a top contributor vote when a post is worthy of one.
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You seem to be proposing an increase to my colleagues' workload.
What kind of compensation adjustment should they expect? +300%?
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I'd open the rankings up to a peer-reviewed system. The occasional poster must know they are as valued and respected as our #1 poster. A valued community member has made a valid suggestion, and a spirited but respectful discussion is merited.
Perhaps the moderators won't mind the additional workload once they recognize how the new ranking system will contribute to the betterment of our forum and society in general.
O.W.L.A.R.
Offered with love and respect.
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So, forum members would be able to form alliances and vote each other to remain on the island?
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I was leaning towards suggesting a peer-voting system similar to one that works very well for a tech forum I visit on a daily basis but now I'm thinking it wouldn't work for WoV. Dieter's right about the risk of cliques forming. The problem is that WoV is a very small community. The other forum has a much larger set of active users so cliques can't as easily have an impact.
Quote: AlanMendelsonAfter reading the comments it appears to me that the list of top posters serves no purpose.
Why is it there?
Thirty years ago forums had a list of top posters to recognize participation and to prompt participation. Hasn't this forum advanced at all from that?
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How about replacing it with a "Wall of Remembrance" for past members who are no longer around. I can think of a couple obvious candidates (e.g., PaiGowDan).
My goal of being well informed conflicts with my goal of remaining sane.
October 23rd, 2022 at 10:34:56 AM
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I think it’s there to make sure we haven’t dropped below 10 members.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
October 23rd, 2022 at 10:39:42 AM
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With apologies....
I wake up each morning, and dust off my wits
Open the Wizard and read the top list.
If I am there, then I know I'm not Red
so I eat a big breakfast and go back to bed.
I wake up each morning, and dust off my wits
Open the Wizard and read the top list.
If I am there, then I know I'm not Red
so I eat a big breakfast and go back to bed.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 23rd, 2022 at 12:04:03 PM
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I was leaning towards suggesting a peer-voting system similar to one that works very well for a tech forum I visit on a daily basis but now I'm thinking it wouldn't work for WoV.
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Y Combinator's Hacker News? Their peer-voting system seems to work very well.
October 23rd, 2022 at 1:29:20 PM
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Quote: UsernameRemorseQuote: TumblingBones
I was leaning towards suggesting a peer-voting system similar to one that works very well for a tech forum I visit on a daily basis but now I'm thinking it wouldn't work for WoV.
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Y Combinator's Hacker News? Their peer-voting system seems to work very well.
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Ars Technica
My goal of being well informed conflicts with my goal of remaining sane.
October 23rd, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM
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Fifteen years ago, on a comic forum, the members could rate both the post and the poster. One guy tried to game the system and created dozens of ids daily to give five stars to his threads and one to almost everything else. People caught on, and when moderation did nothing, they started creating their own shills to give five stars. It was ridiculous, but the site liked all the new members as they did nothing. It got to the point where fifty members would visit the sight on any day, but 600 new members would join.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:24:28 PM
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Quote: billryanFifteen years ago, on a comic forum, the members could rate both the post and the poster. One guy tried to game the system and created dozens of ids daily to give five stars to his threads and one to almost everything else. People caught on, and when moderation did nothing, they started creating their own shills to give five stars. It was ridiculous, but the site liked all the new members as they did nothing. It got to the point where fifty members would visit the sight on any day, but 600 new members would join.
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Like most people, I'm too busy to rate every post I read.
I started wondering if someone might start a poll of the top ten most prolific contributors, asking for votes for which ones have value. But I would discourage that and I suspect we moderators would put the kibosh on that. I don't think polls should be about forum members.
I will make some positive statements though. I think that mission and gialmere deserve our thanks for their contributions. EdCollins does great work on the NFL picks contest and miplet has contributed many computational resources to the forum in the past. Pokergrinder for his trip reports, of course. I have noticed a significant swing in BillRyan's posts over the past 18 months or so, and he sometimes writes some of the most literate and informative posts on obscure topics - I really enjoy them. I'm not a big poker chips guy, but I'm grateful for the guys who work on that thread. Thatdonguy and charliepatrick have posted many math-oriented contributions along with others.
These are just off the top of my head, please don't be hurt if I left your name off of that list. I'm busy, maybe others could add some of the names I missed.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:26:13 PM
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Good points are being made here.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:26:39 PM
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Very good points are being made here.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM
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I like the points being made here.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:27:34 PM
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Keep up the good work.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:27:44 PM
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Keep up the good work.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:28:03 PM
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Keep up the good work.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:28:26 PM
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Keep up the good work.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:28:52 PM
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Keep up the good work.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:30:13 PM
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I have other thoughts but I can't reveal them.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:31:19 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI have other thoughts but I can't reveal them.
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Has your account been hacked? Hard to follow what your string of posts is responding to.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 23rd, 2022 at 3:51:47 PM
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I'd prefer suspended members appear in red rather than disappear but it's a minor concern.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:43:07 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonKeep up the good work.
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Alan,
Very friendly reminder about the rule that says "Don't post the same thing more than once."
I'll quote it and link below.
Quote: Rule 5
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:48:19 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonKeep up the good work.
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Alan,
Very friendly reminder about the rule that says "Don't post the same thing more than once."
I'll quote it and link below.Quote: Rule 5
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Maybe he was trying to up his post count to get on the leaderboard. How meta.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 23rd, 2022 at 5:31:10 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonKeep up the good work.
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Alan,
Very friendly reminder about the rule that says "Don't post the same thing more than once."
I'll quote it and link below.Quote: Rule 5
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Maybe he was trying to up his post count to get on the leaderboard. How meta.
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Did I overlook that carveout in the rule text?
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 6:11:43 PM
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How ironic Dieter.
How many times have you told me you're looking into my threads being hijacked by a particular forum member?
Never was a warning posted.
But I have one technical problem and you jump on me.
How many times have you told me you're looking into my threads being hijacked by a particular forum member?
Never was a warning posted.
But I have one technical problem and you jump on me.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:20:34 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonHow ironic Dieter.
How many times have you told me you're looking into my threads being hijacked by a particular forum member?
Never was a warning posted.
But I have one technical problem and you jump on me.
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I honestly wasn't sure if it was a technical problem, thus the friendly-as-I-could-muster reminder.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:20:50 PM
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Here's a few ideas that would require minimum programming and be fully automated so as not to increase the workload of the mods...
1) Create a new top 10 list for most thanked users. I don't know how fair it would be but it at least ranks people by considering a different type of criteria.
2) Create a new top 10 list for hot users. This one only considers how many posts people have made in the last 30 days (or perhaps 3 months).
To be honest, I would support eliminating user rankings unless there's some sort of tournament taking place.
1) Create a new top 10 list for most thanked users. I don't know how fair it would be but it at least ranks people by considering a different type of criteria.
2) Create a new top 10 list for hot users. This one only considers how many posts people have made in the last 30 days (or perhaps 3 months).
To be honest, I would support eliminating user rankings unless there's some sort of tournament taking place.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:51:34 PM
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I strongly expect if this happened, Alan would have a new gripe that he’s not ranked as highly as he deserves.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:55:06 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200I strongly expect if this happened, Alan would have a new gripe that he’s not ranked as highly as he deserves.
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Don't try to insult me.
October 23rd, 2022 at 7:56:49 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonHow ironic Dieter.
How many times have you told me you're looking into my threads being hijacked by a particular forum member?
Never was a warning posted.
But I have one technical problem and you jump on me.
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I honestly wasn't sure if it was a technical problem, thus the friendly-as-I-could-muster reminder.
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You still haven't addressed the thread hijacker, but you made a weak attempt to justify your warning here.
I call bs.
October 23rd, 2022 at 8:01:36 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: mcallister3200I strongly expect if this happened, Alan would have a new gripe that he’s not ranked as highly as he deserves.
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Don't try to insult me.
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Wasn’t planning on it. Peace and happiness to you sir.
October 23rd, 2022 at 8:21:28 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: mcallister3200I strongly expect if this happened, Alan would have a new gripe that he’s not ranked as highly as he deserves.
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Don't try to insult me.
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Wasn’t planning on it. Peace and happiness to you sir.
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Yes you tried to insult me by questioning my motives.
If you weren't then justify your post.
October 23rd, 2022 at 8:28:10 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonHow ironic Dieter.
How many times have you told me you're looking into my threads being hijacked by a particular forum member?
Never was a warning posted.
But I have one technical problem and you jump on me.
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I honestly wasn't sure if it was a technical problem, thus the friendly-as-I-could-muster reminder.
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You still haven't addressed the thread hijacker, but you made a weak attempt to justify your warning here.
I call bs.
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I've reviewed the message content and timestamps. Based on my observations and familiarity with how previous technical difficulties have appeared, I have made reasonable inferences about what likely happened.
Back atcha.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 23rd, 2022 at 8:32:10 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: mcallister3200Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: mcallister3200I strongly expect if this happened, Alan would have a new gripe that he’s not ranked as highly as he deserves.
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Don't try to insult me.
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Wasn’t planning on it. Peace and happiness to you sir.
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Yes you tried to insult me by questioning my motives.
If you weren't then justify your post.
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Don’t patronize me Alan.
