Ayecarumba
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January 10th, 2011 at 1:38:33 PM permalink
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Is there some kind of public record of what chip styles are in use and when a casino converts to a different style?



NGC regulations require the casinos to present samples of their chips and tokens to the Chairman of NGC for approval. I don't know if images of these chips are in the public domain (edit: Here is a link to the 1177 page list with all the chip design changes from the Nevada Gaming Control website, no images though.)

However, casinos are requried to publicize (via newspaper ads) that they are changing designs to allow holders an opportunity to change over. The ads I have seen included images of the soon to be obsolete designs.

I assume the cages at the major casinos have sample images, (and perhaps a list of security features from nearby properties.) It would be in their best interest to exchange this information to protect themselves when players come from other properties with a pocket full of chips from another property. I recall being at a craps table downtown a few years ago, when a player brought in a mish mash of chips from other properties. It was interesting that the boxman took some of them without thinking twice, but others (the Lady Luck) were refused and returned to the player.
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January 10th, 2011 at 6:15:06 PM permalink
I'm surprised this guy hasn't been caught yet or that none of the stolen chips haven't turned up. Maybe he read about how they were useless and counted his lucky stars that he didn't get caught (yet).
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February 3rd, 2011 at 8:09:39 AM permalink
An arrest was made last night:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-s-son-arrested-in-bellagio-robbery-115167004.html

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/feb/03/metro-police-announce-arrest-bellagio-casino-robbe/
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February 3rd, 2011 at 10:11:04 AM permalink
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I will go with sometime in the month of January. I think with the holidays coming up, it will be hard for LVPD to devote resources to the investigation. Also, the perp will be laying low. However, I think he will try to pass some of the chips on New Year's eve, which will lead to his arrest in January.



Ohh! Missed it by that much....
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February 3rd, 2011 at 11:20:24 AM permalink
Doesn't sound like he is the sharpest marble in the bag.
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February 3rd, 2011 at 2:03:08 PM permalink
The story in today's paper reminded me that I forgot to give an update on my $105 in old chips.



About two weeks ago I used the four greens to make a sports bet and they accepted them without question. The writer didn't even examine them. The $5 I cashed at the main cage, with not the slightest problem.
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February 3rd, 2011 at 4:39:02 PM permalink
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The story in today's paper reminded me that I forgot to give an update on my $105 in old chips.
About two weeks ago I used the four greens to make a sports bet and they accepted them without question. The writer didn't even examine them. The $5 I cashed at the main cage, with not the slightest problem.



That might be a good tip for how to launder old or obsolete chips in general. The sports book cashiers don't handle a lot of chips, and they aren't likely to be as heavily trained in their proper handling.
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February 3rd, 2011 at 4:47:23 PM permalink
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Doesn't sound like he is the sharpest marble in the bag.



If he was there are any number of better heists to pull. I don't figure Danny Ocean is going to be calling him anytime soon.
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May 22nd, 2012 at 6:24:18 AM permalink
Yet another half-assed heist at Bellagio.

What goes thru the heads of these mamalukes? Didn't they read that the last guy who robbed high-value chips got nothing for them?
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May 22nd, 2012 at 6:33:10 AM permalink
Actually he was able to cash some and to sell others to fools.

This is why the casino must have a second set on hand. All they have to do is suspend the acceptance of the stolen denomination briefly and the thieves "loot" is virtually worthless.

All they really have to do is question and photograph all those who present the chips... at the five thousand dollar level people know when and where they won them. If the film doesn't show it and the proferee's bank account doesn't merit it, then an arrest is simple.
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May 22nd, 2012 at 8:19:40 AM permalink
I think the day will come where every high-denom chip will have a unique RFID chip and signature. As they legitimately are won and lost the casino will track who is in possession of it. In the event of a robbery, they will know which chips were stolen, and they can simply be flagged if anyone tries to present them.
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May 22nd, 2012 at 8:58:10 AM permalink
Whatever the cost of the RFID chip and the cost of its being incorporated into the gambling token (hereinafter variously referred to as chip, cheque or flag), the casino gains by knowing who has the high value chips and exactly where they are. Any attempt at past posting and the RFID system would beep a warning. Any attempt at bubble gum on the underside of the waitresses tray and a signal would be generated.

I think the chips are being marketed on normal operations scenarios however not on robberies. The speed and accuracy of internal financial reports in enhanced by the RFID chips.

Although the unidentified "third man" referred to as Carlos is described as a "high roller" who would have cashed the chips it seems anyone who recruits his partners through Craigslist can't be a high roller and a real high roller would have known the chips would be uncashable.
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May 22nd, 2012 at 12:30:49 PM permalink
What a pathetic attempt. Some people are just clueless.
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May 22nd, 2012 at 10:10:26 PM permalink
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What a pathetic attempt. Some people are just clueless.



It just keeps amazing me. All but the most beginner of thieves knows the goal of being a professional theif is to turm whatever you steal into cash. So if you are going to steal anything of value your first thought will be how to do so and what kind of discount you have to take from retail value and how to cash in. And a rational person thinks of an exit plan in case they are caught in the act. Do these morons even watch the most basic heist-flicks to figure out some DOs and DONTs?

On that note, I recently saw the movie "Thief" from about 1979. Very underrated heist flick. Actually shows how a pro might think and plan. Clearly these fools watched something else.
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May 22nd, 2012 at 10:27:14 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

On that note, I recently saw the movie "Thief" from about 1979. Very underrated heist flick. Actually shows how a pro might think and plan. Clearly these fools watched something else.

That film had several thieves as consultants... and I don't mean retired or reformed thieves. The late Donald E. Westlake wrote several novels relating to how professional criminals find and evaluate opportunities, meet and judge fellow conspirators, think and plan out the job and the escape, etc.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 1:37:51 AM permalink
If thieves were smart, then they wouldn't be thieves.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 6:23:31 AM permalink
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If thieves were smart, then they wouldn't be thieves.



Don't underrate how smart good thieves are. Misguided use of intelligence to be sure. But the high-level ones can be very smart.

Watch "Thief" mentioned above. Idiots don't find ways to beat alarm systems and break into safes. Idiots try to smash-and-grab lavender cheques in a casino where getaway is near impossible.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 7:21:09 AM permalink
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If thieves were smart, then they wouldn't be thieves.



No.

If thieves were smart, then they wouldn't get caught.
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