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I think it can be more interesting to mention what you do, than how much you make.

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The problem with that is a "not on my watch mentality" in the casino pit.

We get the evil eye, the changing of decks, the eyebrow. Shoot one guy would pump his fist in the air when I lost.

You win and feel like you should apologize. Like when they pass the collection plate and you don't contribute.

Now you have KJ running around spouting 6 figure numbers over decades.

It doesn't matter to me anymore because I can't play. But it made my job even more difficult.

And yes, pit bosses and dealers do read WOV.

Moses, I don't want to get into it with you, but I completely reject your idea that anything I did on forums affected you.

YOU play in Reno. You play single deck. Reno is renowned as the blackjack sweat capitol of the world and especially their single deck games. Reno makes El Cortez look very tolerant. There is not a single professional or even serious player that is based out of Reno or has been in 20 years. A few players may travel to Reno for a weekend of play a couple times a year, as I do (or did), but my experience this year shows even that can be extremely dangerous, as the consequences followed me back home, if you know what I mean.

Your problems with your play in Reno are about Reno and Reno being a complete sweat city that won't allow serious play for long. And that is why there are few serious players for more than a few days at a time at best.

And for players here in Vegas, I probably did them a favor. Casino folks that read the forums I was on were busy running around looking for me, so anyone not matching my description, got a free ride. :)
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Pit bosses read forums. It's their job to rid casinos of players who can beat them. Most players want to bend them over and don't last long. You're only as good as what the pit boss might be thinking. It only takes one to pass down a life sentence.

You are putting foolish notions in their head and for what. The newbie? Let them learn just like everyone else that made it. We did it without the tools available today.

But if you guys in Vegas can get backed off and then show up a few weeks later and all is forgiven and forgot? Then more power to you. I will say most of the real bad asses in the pit here come from Vegas. I did last a decade.

If you guys are actually helping each other by posting results. Hooray. Everyone should do it.

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The bottom line isn't what you make, it is what you keep. Truly wealthy people make nothing, and value their time. Someone who tells me they make ten thousand dollars a week but takes public transportation or who says they work for the Fed but is on Medicaid makes me wonder.
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If a bus pass is $130 a month, and a car is a $300 payment, plus gas, plus parking, plus maintenance, plus insurance, plus....

That seems to be more than a 50% discount for normal getting around town expenses. In some cities, public transit is probably more convenient than a car.
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You are thinking like a poor or middle-class person.

What you aren't factoring in is time. No one I know that is wealthy is going to waste the time. For example, many Met players live in Brooklyn and Manhattan. There is a subway that will take you directly to the stadium, yet Met players taking the subway are few and far between. Private cars or even car services cost more but most people think they are well worth it. With enough money, convenience trumps costs, and time trumps both of them. Not to mention safety.

It's just silly. If you have to constantly remind people how much money you have, odds are you don't have it. That's been my personal experience and nothing anyone has posted here in the last few years has changed it.

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The bottom line isn't what you make, it is what you keep. Truly wealthy people make nothing, and value their time. Someone who tells me they make ten thousand dollars a week but takes public transportation or who says they work for the Fed but is on Medicaid makes me wonder.
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If a bus pass is $130 a month, and a car is a $300 payment, plus gas, plus parking, plus maintenance, plus insurance, plus....

That seems to be more than a 50% discount for normal getting around town expenses. In some cities, public transit is probably more convenient than a car.
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You are thinking like a poor or middle-class person.

What you aren't factoring in is time. No one I know that is wealthy is going to waste the time. For example, many Met players live in Brooklyn and Manhattan. There is a subway that will take you directly to the stadium, yet Met players taking the subway are few and far between. Private cars or even car services cost more but most people think they are well worth it. With enough money, convenience trumps costs, and time trumps both of them. Not to mention safety.

It's just silly. If you have to constantly remind people how much money you have, odds are you don't have it. That's been my personal experience and nothing anyone has posted here in the last few years has changed it.
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Well it's good to know you are wrong even if you refuse to admit it.

It's strange you think getting around by car is automatically faster than public transportation In NYC. It's usually about an hour to go nine miles.

Late at night is of course different.

As for Mets players come on! They would not want to be surrounded by fans on the subway trying to make a game.

It doesn't matter how much you make or how much you keep.

The older you get the more you realize that your health is more valued than any amount of money.

My wife and I are both cancer survivors.

She also has had triple bypass heart surgery and I have had part of my right kidney removed.

Focus on taking care of your body and you will be much happier as you grow older.

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As for Mets players come on! They would not want to be surrounded by fans on the subway trying to make a game.

Wait the Mets have fans? LOL.

When I lived in Philadelphia, not that I could afford it so it wasn't an option, but it would be crazy to have a car. I am not comparing the center city area in Philly where I lived to NYC, by any stretch, but between parking and some people paid for parking what others paid for an apartment, and sky high insurance rates if you had a city address, you had to be wealthy to consider it.

The center city district, where all the people from the suburbs drove to everyday for the corporate office work was only from 30th street to 2nd street. River to River and probably 8 blocks north to south. But if you had a car and wanted to get out in that area on a weekday from say 8am to 5pm, good luck. You could walk anywhere faster than driving.

I was in my early to mid 20's when I lived there. Skateboard and walking was my transportation.as it was for most of my friends and people in my age group. I also had a bike. And if it was cold or rainy or something public transit was fine. Ran very regularly, every 8-10 minutes in that area.

Now when I moved to Vegas, a completely different experience. I went my first two years in Vegas still using public Transportation and Vegas public Transportaion, RTC is pretty good. They run regularly. But like Pheonix, and Denver and most western state cities, things are just spread-out way more. I mean if I wanted to go to Sunset Station or Southpoint or Green Valley Ranch that was multiple buses. If you are taking multiple buses, with the wait time and all, it is taking over an hour to get somewhere you could drive to in 15 minutes. That is when I started driving. These Western cities are too spread out and not the good fit for public transportation that east coast cities are.

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As for Mets players come on! They would not want to be surrounded by fans on the subway trying to make a game.

Wait the Mets have fans? LOL.
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Of course the Mets have fans.

Haven't you heard the sh*t always hits the fan?

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As for Mets players come on! They would not want to be surrounded by fans on the subway trying to make a game.

Wait the Mets have fans? LOL.

When I lived in Philadelphia, not that I could afford it so it wasn't an option, but it would be crazy to have a car. I am not comparing the center city area in Philly where I lived to NYC, by any stretch, but between parking and some people paid for parking what others paid for an apartment, and sky high insurance rates if you had a city address, you had to be wealthy to consider it.

The center city district, where all the people from the suburbs drove to everyday for the corporate office work was only from 30th street to 2nd street. River to River and probably 8 blocks north to south. But if you had a car and wanted to get out in that area on a weekday from say 8am to 5pm, good luck. You could walk anywhere faster than driving.

I was in my early to mid 20's when I lived there. Skateboard and walking was my transportation.as it was for most of my friends and people in my age group. I also had a bike. And if it was cold or rainy or something public transit was fine. Ran very regularly, every 8-10 minutes in that area.

Now when I moved to Vegas, a completely different experience. I went my first two years in Vegas still using public Transportation and Vegas public Transportaion, RTC is pretty good. They run regularly. But like Pheonix, and Denver and most western state cities, things are just spread-out way more. I mean if I wanted to go to Sunset Station or Southpoint or Green Valley Ranch that was multiple buses. If you are taking multiple buses, with the wait time and all, it is taking over an hour to get somewhere you could drive to in 15 minutes. That is when I started driving. These Western cities are too spread out and not the good fit for public transportation that east coast cities are.
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I bet you missed taking public transportation when you got your own car.The endless waiting at bus stops, the smell of urine, the sort of folks one can interact with on the bus or subway, the thrill of wondering which of the various preditors is most dangerous. You can meet the finest people on a NYC subway and have incredibly stimulating conversations. Not to mention the genuine possibility you might get to see some of New York's finest in action, close-up and personal.

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I bet you missed taking public transportation when you got your own car.The endless waiting at bus stops, the smell of urine, the sort of folks one can interact with on the bus or subway, the thrill of wondering which of the various preditors is most dangerous. You can meet the finest people on a NYC subway and have incredibly stimulating conversations. Not to mention the genuine possibility you might get to see some of New York's finest in action, close-up and personal.

Well there were some things that made Las Vegas particularly challenging for public transportation for me. One that I am an AP and money. Enough said, I am sure. The other not specific to me, is a 15 minute wait in 115 heat, with or without a bus stop canopy gets old pretty damn quick.

I still don't care much for driving, but it is kind of a necessity in Vegas. My favorite time was when my partner was still alive and he played chauffer. That also was very beneficial to my hit and run, move around between casinos style of play.

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I bet you missed taking public transportation when you got your own car.The endless waiting at bus stops, the smell of urine, the sort of folks one can interact with on the bus or subway, the thrill of wondering which of the various preditors is most dangerous. You can meet the finest people on a NYC subway and have incredibly stimulating conversations. Not to mention the genuine possibility you might get to see some of New York's finest in action, close-up and personal.

Well there were some things that made Las Vegas particularly challenging for public transportation for me. One that I am an AP and money. Enough said, I am sure. The other not specific to me, is a 15 minute wait in 115 heat, with or without a bus stop canopy gets old pretty damn quick.

I still don't care much for driving, but it is kind of a necessity in Vegas. My favorite time was when my partner was still alive and he played chauffer. That also was very beneficial to my hit and run, move around between casinos style of play.
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I'm an avid reader and sleeper.

Two things I would sorely miss if I had to spend xxx hours driving.

I don't miss driving in a city at all. Outside of school hours, I can go maybe thirty miles in any direction without hitting a traffic light, but we have our own unique disruptors. A couple of months ago, a bear shut down Highway 80, the only northbound way in and out of Bisbee for over an hour when he decided to climb a light tower. My last trip to Tucson was delayed about fifteen minutes as they were blasting rocks so they can widen the road from three lanes to four.( two in each direction)

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I don't miss driving in a city at all. Outside of school hours, I can go maybe thirty miles in any direction without hitting a traffic light, but we have our own unique disruptors. A couple of months ago, a bear shut down Highway 80, the only northbound way in and out of Bisbee for over an hour when he decided to climb a light tower. My last trip to Tucson was delayed about fifteen minutes as they were blasting rocks so they can widen the road from three lanes to four.( two in each direction)
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Now when you say "bear", what comes to mind is an older, fat gay guy. I am guessing an older, fat, gay guy didn't climb the light tower, so I will have to look up "bear" for another meaning. :/

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I don't miss driving in a city at all. Outside of school hours, I can go maybe thirty miles in any direction without hitting a traffic light, but we have our own unique disruptors. A couple of months ago, a bear shut down Highway 80, the only northbound way in and out of Bisbee for over an hour when he decided to climb a light tower. My last trip to Tucson was delayed about fifteen minutes as they were blasting rocks so they can widen the road from three lanes to four.( two in each direction)
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Now when you say "bear", what comes to mind is an older, fat gay guy. I am guessing an older, fat, gay guy didn't climb the light tower, so I will have to look up "bear" for another meaning. :/
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Come on bro, don’t do LVBear like that:(

I'm not sure what sort of bear it was. We have them around here but I've never seen one myself. From what I've been told, young bears head for higher ground when scared so they will climb any pole, but then they don't know how to get down. I saw pictures of this bear, on all fours and I'd say he was bigger than a St Bernard and smaller than a mule.

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Come on bro, don’t do LVBear like that:(

I didn't! You did....you troublemaker.

I can't think of a single conversation I've ever had with a stranger where his compensation came up. I doubt I could guess with much accuracy what any of my friends make nor do any of them have a clue what my income is. I can make educated guesses on some as civil service salaries are semi-public. I was pretty close to Axel and a bunch of former members here when I lived in Vegas and somehow conversations of how much they made just never came up, with one exception. One of my friends drove for uber and lyft and we did discuss how he did as I was thinking of doing it a day or two a week.
Different folks for different strokes I suppose.

I'll be happy to vouch for anyone's great wealth or money making potential.

But not for FREE!

The richer you want to be the greater the fee.

See, now, that's the way you do it. None of this giving away free endorsement stuff.

Including all sources, I made between $0-$1,000,000 in 2021.

If that's not specific enough, then I'll offer that it was closer to $0 than it was to a million dollars.

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Including all sources, I made between $0-$1,000,000 in 2021.

If that's not specific enough, then I'll offer that it was closer to $0 than it was to a million dollars.
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That's exactly what I made in 2021! We must be in the same profession! ;)

But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

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I'm an avid reader and sleeper.

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But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

Wow, now I am at an 8 figure salary?

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But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

Wow, now I am at an 8 figure salary?
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I was actually referring to Bill's comment about the "truly wealthy." If that includes you, then great!

But I'm with you about public transportation. When I visit NYC (or DC or Chicago). Subways/trains are my preferred method of transportation (along with my two feet).

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But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

Wow, now I am at an 8 figure salary?
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How much of an ego does one have to have to think every post is about him? Do you even have a job that would require you to ride the subway to work every day? I'm pretty sure there are exactly zero people here who think you make an eight-figure salary.

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But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

Wow, now I am at an 8 figure salary?
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How much of an ego does one have to have to think every post is about him? Do you even have a job that would require you to ride the subway to work every day? I'm pretty sure there are exactly zero people here who think you make an eight-figure salary.
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This is the entire quote below.

Note that after the 8 figure comment he quotes me saying I prefer to read and sleep instead of driving.

My question to you Bill is do you understand that two comments side by side have connective meaning?

How much of an ego do you have Bill that you believe English isn't a connective language. Every individual sentence doesn't have residual contact with the next?

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Including all sources, I made between $0-$1,000,000 in 2021.

If that's not specific enough, then I'll offer that it was closer to $0 than it was to a million dollars.
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That's exactly what I made in 2021! We must be in the same profession! ;)

But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

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I'm an avid reader and sleeper.

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I am not going to read, and have not read, any replies in this thread. Let me just say that as a professional in the last couple of years before I retired, I had a professional hourly rate of $400/hour. Some legacy work paid $250/hour, but nothing was less than that. I think this is how many lawyers and consultants work, an hourly rate. As my father (who also did consulting work) would say, "it would be great to annualize." But that's not how life works in the professional ranks. You get the gigs you get and you get paid your hourly for those gigs.

Guiness World's Records had a category for greatest "miser".

(a.k.a. wealthy people who would argue over a nickel)

So, in answer to the idea, that someone might be super duper economical (cheap), while having a great stash of cash. Sure.

(not saying DarkOz is a miser, but just sayin') Riding the bus even if you could afford a limo, not out of the question.

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and plenty of those giving advice make multiple millions every single year they're employed there - it's of course not all of them and not most of them - but stockbrokers making more than $2 mill per year is common

Wall Street is a subway stop

also, do you guys have any idea what it's like driving a car in Manhattan?

think of a really bad trip you made in any big city

and then think about making that kind of trip every single day - not once but twice - to and fro
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Most Wall Street companies provide car services for their top employees and offer them to just about everyone that works past a certain hour. You used to see town cars lined up around the block at most of the firms but now Uber and Lyft have cut that down. When he worked, my friend would get picked up by a service every day and spend the 45 minutes on the way to the office getting work done. He thought about getting his own car and driver as he spent roughly $50,000 a year on car services but his accountants said it made more sense to take the services. He'd drive himself, on occasion, but he wasn't as productive those days. If he worked until 7PM, his company provided his ride home.



This thread reminds me of this quote from Bogart:

Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...

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Guiness World's Records had a category for greatest "miser".

(a.k.a. wealthy people who would argue over a nickel)

So, in answer to the idea, that someone might be super duper economical (cheap), while having a great stash of cash. Sure.

(not saying DarkOz is a miser, but just sayin') Riding the bus even if you could afford a limo, not out of the question.
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Yes, semi-miserly but not quite.

I will pay $1000 for a comic book that used to cost ten cents.

But I won't pay first class on a plane. Why? Because it gets me there the same time as everyone else and extra leg room isn't worth hundreds of dollars to me (to be fair I am 5'3 and rarely do my knees touch the airline seat in front of me anyhow. I probably would feel different if I was six foot)

If I spend for a car service it's because of emergency. Which might be a big rainy downpour or perhaps the trains aren't running, or I am under the weather, etc.

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But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

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Last time I worked in NYC was in 1980 when I was at CBS News at 57th Street between 9th and 10th Avenues. It was amazing to me how many celebs used the nearby subway station.

And I used to walk from CBS to the Port Authority bus terminal at 42nd street near Times Square when I got off work at midnight.

I was 28 then. Wouldn't do it now.

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But I agree with Bill here. I can't imagine anyone with an 8-figure salary taking the subway to work each day in NYC. Most likely he would use a car service, or have his own car and driver.

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Last time I worked in NYC was in 1980 when I was at CBS News at 57th Street between 9th and 10th Avenues. It was amazing to me how many celebs used the nearby subway station.

And I used to walk from CBS to the Port Authority bus terminal at 42nd street near Times Square when I got off work at midnight.

I was 28 then. Wouldn't do it now.
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Yeah people who haven't been to NYC think Subway is for poor folk.

They never tried driving through traffic NYC midday.

You might as well drive through quicksand. Better speed!

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Most Wall Street companies provide car services for their top employees

I've got some news for you

stockbrokers who make a couple of $ mill a year are not top employees

for the most part they're commoners

the top employees are in management or are investment bankers

now you're talking about $ ten million or more


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Most Wall Street companies provide car services for their top employees

I've got some news for you

stockbrokers who make a couple of $ mill a year are not top employees

for the most part they're commoners

the top employees are in management or are investment bankers

now you're talking about $ ten million or more


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Google is your friend. It seems like some of the companies have changed from 8PM to 10PM.