darkoz
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December 27th, 2021 at 2:12:27 PM permalink
You meet someone who was out of work for over a year.

In 2021, he was out of work from January till June 30. He had no income because he no longer qualified for unemployment.

In July he gets a $25 per hour job. So basically$1,000 a week.

It's NYE, 2022 coming in and you ask this guy about his job.

He tells you he is working and makes $1000 a week.

You congratulate him on making$52,000 this year.

He then says, well, actually he didn't work every week of the year.

Now, do you tell him that he is wrong for stating he makes $1000 a week? He really only made $500 a week?

And he doesn't make $25 an hour but really only$12.50?

Just curious.
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December 27th, 2021 at 2:24:29 PM permalink
I mean if its a friend and he says he makes 25/hr then that is what he makes. I don't really see the point in grilling him on how much he earned overall, if he is hourly some weeks may be less or more I would assume (some OT and some slow weeks perhaps?), unless you are lending him money or doing his taxes?

But, he likely would not have earned 52k this year, if he took the job in July (it would be about half), 52k a year is probably the average for 25/hr for a full year so you could probably divide by 2 approximately (July to now should be almost 6 months depending when in July he started).

If its a regular W2 job he should have an assigned payrate, and if it is assigned 25/hr that is what it is, and it may be slightly more or less than 52K for a full year depending on OT and missing hours (not getting a full 40 some weeks) etc...
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December 27th, 2021 at 2:25:19 PM permalink
Half of $25 is $12.50, not $13.50. Minor detail though.

So why did you assume $25/hr is $1000 a week? Did he say he worked 40 hours a week and made $25 every hour?

Why did you assume $1000 a week is $52,000 a year? Did he say he worked every week?


In case you can't tell, I am flipping your scenario.

People DO assume when you say $400 an hour that you are speaking at least somewhat on a regular basis and not 1 hour every now and then.

People Do assume that when you say $20,000 a week, you aren't just talking one week or an occasional or rare week, but somewhat on a regular basis.

Let me give yet another example from my experiences. In now 18 years of playing blackjack, averaging 5 days a week, I have had exactly 1 day that I made $20k. ONE! Can I say I make 20K a day? What if I qualify it be saying "well, not every day"?

Because advantage play and AP earnings are so unique, you should have been more clear as to what you were saying. the fact that so many people mis-interpreted your comments, makes that clear.
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December 27th, 2021 at 2:42:58 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Half of $25 is $12.50, not $13.50. Minor detail though.

So why did you assume $25/hr is $1000 a week? Did he say he worked 40 hours a week and made $25 every hour?

Why did you assume $1000 a week is $52,000 a year? Did he say he worked every week?


In case you can't tell, I am flipping your scenario.

People DO assume when you say $400 an hour that you are speaking at least somewhat on a regular basis and not 1 hour every now and then.

People Do assume that when you say $20,000 a week, you aren't just talking one week or an occasional or rare week, but somewhat on a regular basis.

Let me give yet another example from my experiences. In now 18 years of playing blackjack, averaging 5 days a week, I have had exactly 1 day that I made $20k. ONE! Can I say I make 20K a day? What if I qualify it be saying "well, not every day"?

Because advantage play and AP earnings are so unique, you should have been more clear as to what you were saying. the fact that so many people mis-interpreted your comments, makes that clear.
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Thanks about the typo. I corrected it.

I work very often through the year. Defining often of course is perhaps what people are having problem with.

I have not had a single month without a week where I made $20,000 since the casinos reopened. Most months it's at least two.

It's not an uncommon thing for me to make $20,000 in a week. The main prerequisite is that I actually work that week.

I just don't work 52 weeks out of the year.

But I work every month out of the year.
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December 27th, 2021 at 2:52:10 PM permalink
My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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December 27th, 2021 at 2:54:33 PM permalink
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My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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December 27th, 2021 at 4:15:56 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

He tells you he is working and makes $1000 a week.

You congratulate him on making$52,000 this year.

He then says, well, actually he didn't work every week of the year.

Now, do you tell him that he is wrong for stating he makes $1000 a week? He really only made $500 a week?

And he doesn't make $25 an hour but really only$12.50?


No, he makes $25/hour and $1000/week. I would suggest to him that he not say, "I make $1000 a week," without making it clear that he doesn't work every week.

It's like the old Army saying: you get paid $21 a day...once a month.
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December 27th, 2021 at 4:17:54 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: mcallister3200

My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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Of what consequence is that? I don’t care whether or not any of my gambling related claims are believed, though I don’t make many.
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December 27th, 2021 at 4:43:00 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Quote: darkoz

Quote: mcallister3200

My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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Of what consequence is that? I don’t care whether or not any of my gambling related claims are believed, though I don’t make many.
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I agree, why would I care what others think? I first met the wizard over 20 years ago. I respect him and hope he does me, but if he told me he didn't believe something that I said I really wouldn't care.
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Quote: darkoz

Quote: mcallister3200

My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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Of what consequence is that? I don’t care whether or not any of my gambling related claims are believed, though I don’t make many.
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I know. Some people don't care.

I think it comes from a lifetime of people telling me since the first grade I don't know what I am talking about.

One of my earliest school memories is in the first grade when every kid insisted that Mice are just baby Rats (they are not the same animal although related).

I remember the kids asked everyone and everyone said I was wrong.

But I wasn't.

It just feels like a lifetime of people believing themselves to be correct and I am stuck being alone and knowing I should be believed but for some reason just won't be.

So that's my foible. One of them to be sure. My own family has faulted me for that.

I also find that people will defend vigorously their position UNTIL they realize they were the ones incorrect. Then suddenly it's "what is the big deal man! Why are you making a federal case about it"

Of course that argument doesn't appear until after you have proven yourself correct.
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:32:46 PM permalink
I understand where you’re coming from, but for me, all of the value is in being right; I don’t care if people believe me or not.

In fact, if it seems like lots of people agree with me about something, that’s when I begin to doubt myself.
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:35:14 PM permalink
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I understand where you’re coming from, but for me, all of the value is in being right; I don’t care if people believe me or not.

In fact, if it seems like lots of people agree with me about something, that’s when I begin to doubt myself.
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I love it.

That should be your your personal quote on here!
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:39:32 PM permalink
In fact, when people go throwing numbers around…and it doesn’t matter who’s doing it, some people take that as bragging.

Personally, I consider my records private, so I don’t want to be asked to prove any claims. I promise that nothing I do is impressive, anyway.

I don’t think anyone should ever have proof demanded of them, but when making a specific claim, one opens oneself up to having proof requested of them.

Me, I make mathematical claims. This is the play, this is why it works, do it or don’t, believe me or do not, I don’t care. Aside from some things annoying me, I don’t take anything personally.

As far as my opinion of other peoples’ claims, I automatically assume everyone is lying—-much easier. When people offer numbers, I just divide them by ten and assume that is something closer to the truth. But, these things I do quietly…there’s no percentage in attempting to disprove something if I’m not going to be put into a position to do it conclusively.
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:40:21 PM permalink
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Quote: Mission146

I understand where you’re coming from, but for me, all of the value is in being right; I don’t care if people believe me or not.

In fact, if it seems like lots of people agree with me about something, that’s when I begin to doubt myself.
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I love it.

That should be your your personal quote on here!
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Thanks, but I like my disclaimer best. Moral absolution is a nice thing, sometimes.
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:46:53 PM permalink
Oh, and on dividing claims by ten, unless I know better, of course.

Personally, I believe you’ve done 20k+ in pickups in a single week before, easily. I don’t know why (well, you explained why) you would want to share that and encourage competition, but I’ve seen enough…in what little time we spent together in person…to be inclined to believe that.
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December 27th, 2021 at 5:56:36 PM permalink
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… In July he gets a $25 per hour job. So basically $1,000 a week.

It's NYE, 2022 coming in and you ask this guy about his job.

He tells you he is working and makes $1000 a week.

You congratulate him on making$52,000 this year. ...
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Ok. He agrees with your assumption that he’s working 40 hour weeks. And, yeah, $25x40=$1,000. And $1,000x52=$52,000.

But, knowing he was out of work until July means that he did NOT earn $52K even if that’s his yearly rate.

And to suggest that he did is rude.
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December 27th, 2021 at 6:30:16 PM permalink
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Oh, and on dividing claims by ten, unless I know better, of course.

Personally, I believe you’ve done 20k+ in pickups in a single week before, easily. I don’t know why (well, you explained why) you would want to share that and encourage competition, but I’ve seen enough…in what little time we spent together in person…to be inclined to believe that.
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Thanks. And I mean that wholeheartedly.
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December 27th, 2021 at 6:53:37 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: Mission146

Quote: darkoz

Quote: mcallister3200

My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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Of what consequence is that? I don’t care whether or not any of my gambling related claims are believed, though I don’t make many.
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I know. Some people don't care.

I think it comes from a lifetime of people telling me since the first grade I don't know what I am talking about.

One of my earliest school memories is in the first grade when every kid insisted that Mice are just baby Rats (they are not the same animal although related).

I remember the kids asked everyone and everyone said I was wrong.

But I wasn't.

It just feels like a lifetime of people believing themselves to be correct and I am stuck being alone and knowing I should be believed but for some reason just won't be.

So that's my foible. One of them to be sure. My own family has faulted me for that.

I also find that people will defend vigorously their position UNTIL they realize they were the ones incorrect. Then suddenly it's "what is the big deal man! Why are you making a federal case about it"

Of course that argument doesn't appear until after you have proven yourself correct.
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All right but just because someone challenges you doesn't mean that he is putting you down. Heck, people challenge MDawg daily you think I care? I'm the one raking in the chips living the dream, if they don't want to believe, it doesn't affect the reality of what I'm experiencing whatsoever, does it now? I might respond occasionally, other times I don't bother.

You got out of line with your debate with me today because you misunderstood my motive. A little debate is no reason to get overly defensive.
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:21:33 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

Quote: Mission146

Quote: darkoz

Quote: mcallister3200

My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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Of what consequence is that? I don’t care whether or not any of my gambling related claims are believed, though I don’t make many.
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I know. Some people don't care.

I think it comes from a lifetime of people telling me since the first grade I don't know what I am talking about.

One of my earliest school memories is in the first grade when every kid insisted that Mice are just baby Rats (they are not the same animal although related).

I remember the kids asked everyone and everyone said I was wrong.

But I wasn't.

It just feels like a lifetime of people believing themselves to be correct and I am stuck being alone and knowing I should be believed but for some reason just won't be.

So that's my foible. One of them to be sure. My own family has faulted me for that.

I also find that people will defend vigorously their position UNTIL they realize they were the ones incorrect. Then suddenly it's "what is the big deal man! Why are you making a federal case about it"

Of course that argument doesn't appear until after you have proven yourself correct.
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All right but just because someone challenges you doesn't mean that he is putting you down. Heck, people challenge MDawg daily you think I care? I'm the one raking in the chips living the dream, if they don't want to believe, it doesn't affect the reality of what I'm experiencing whatsoever, does it now? I might respond occasionally, other times I don't bother.

You got out of line with your debate with me today because you misunderstood my motive. A little debate is no reason to get overly defensive.
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I think you do care as much as I about being believed. Otherwise you would not throw out challenges.

It's probably why you and I butt heads so often.
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:24:19 PM permalink
I think it comes down to responding/retorting every time. Or just sometimes.
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:40:14 PM permalink
MDawg is spot on!

I built 2 bankrolls totaling right at $90k and I detailed and outlined almost everything I spent sums of win money on from savings to 529 accounts to retail goods to pocket money and bill coverage etc. I learned and developed my own thing mostly from MDawgs writings and other stuff on this forum. Hell, we talk and throw it out there if you guys wish to believe it from myself or others, go for it, if you don’t, don’t. Who the heck would lose sleep or miss getting a climax over someone not believing something written here? Success breeds jealousy and it does so here, as well as in the non forum world, AKA real everyday life amongst people.
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:44:26 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

MDawg is spot on!

I built 2 bankrolls totaling right at $90k and I detailed and outlined almost everything I spent sums of win money on from savings to 529 accounts to retail goods to pocket money and bill coverage etc. I learned and developed my own thing mostly from MDawgs writings and other stuff on this forum. Hell, we talk and throw it out there if you guys wish to believe it from myself or others, go for it, if you don’t, don’t. Who the heck would lose sleep or miss getting a climax over someone not believing something written here? Success breeds jealousy and it does so here, as well as in the non forum world, AKA real everyday life amongst people.
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So you claim you won $180,000? Or two $45,000 bankrolls that total$90,000?

What makes a bankroll a bankroll? Why separate money into two amounts?
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:49:57 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

MDawg is spot on!

I built 2 bankrolls totaling right at $90k and I detailed and outlined almost everything I spent sums of win money on from savings to 529 accounts to retail goods to pocket money and bill coverage etc. I learned and developed my own thing mostly from MDawgs writings and other stuff on this forum. Hell, we talk and throw it out there if you guys wish to believe it from myself or others, go for it, if you don’t, don’t. Who the heck would lose sleep or miss getting a climax over someone not believing something written here? Success breeds jealousy and it does so here, as well as in the non forum world, AKA real everyday life amongst people.
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Where’d you find that dream line on the Packers, Marcus?
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:54:34 PM permalink
Twist and turn, luv it bro.

I detail my financial standings all the time in my thread.

For your sake of convenience I will post a synopsis of them here.

My first bankroll is my baccarat bankroll which is $70,500.00 before I removed $7,500.00 for my upcoming session within the hour.

My second bankroll is my blackjack bankroll which is $20,000.00.

Those are my two bankrolls. They are liquid physical cash. Does not include savings accounts or several 529 accounts that received win money etc.
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December 27th, 2021 at 8:37:36 PM permalink
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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Check your bank statement.
That should be ample reassurance that you did what you said.
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December 27th, 2021 at 8:50:51 PM permalink
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My first bankroll is my baccarat bankroll which is $70,500.00 before I removed $7,500.00 for my upcoming session within the hour.

My second bankroll is my blackjack bankroll which is $20,000.00.

Those are my two bankrolls. They are liquid physical cash. Does not include savings accounts or several 529 accounts that received win money etc.



Hold on a minute dude. Yesterday you posted that your total win was $88,000 before you lost $8000 or $8800 (with vig) on two football games. I will even link to where you said that:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/36788-packers-game-12-25/

Now all of the sudden, your total bankrolls have grown by $10,500 AND you placed winnings in several 529 accounts on top of that?

I mean this is the kind of thing I object to. It isn't about believing you or not believing you, but your story and bankroll numbers have magically changed....up 10.5k.

I call foul!
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December 27th, 2021 at 8:55:52 PM permalink
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My first bankroll is my baccarat bankroll which is $70,500.00 before I removed $7,500.00 for my upcoming session within the hour.

My second bankroll is my blackjack bankroll which is $20,000.00.

Those are my two bankrolls. They are liquid physical cash. Does not include savings accounts or several 529 accounts that received win money etc.



Hold on a minute dude. Yesterday you posted that your total win was $88,000 before you lost $8000 or $8800 (with vig) on two football games. I will even link to where you said that:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/36788-packers-game-12-25/

Now all of the sudden, your total bankrolls have grown by $10,500 AND you placed winnings in several 529 accounts on top of that?

I mean this is the kind of thing I object to. It isn't about believing you or not believing you, but your story and bankroll numbers have magically changed....up 10.5k.

I call foul!
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Read in my thread please it should be detailed out, unless I made a mistake.

There was a $16,000.00. Baccarat win and I know I detailed it out.

I only defined what a bankroll is to me, cash liquid dedicated lockbox bankroll, etc. I have not and do not count win monies I removed and placed into savings and my kids 529s.

Please try to understand.

My winnings and losses all accounted for within the linked post and the post immediately following it.

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December 27th, 2021 at 8:57:59 PM permalink
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There was a $16,000.00. Baccarat win and I know I detailed it out.



You had a $16,000 baccarat win AFTER the 2 football game losses?
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December 27th, 2021 at 8:59:52 PM permalink
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There was a $16,000.00. Baccarat win and I know I detailed it out.



You had a $16,000 baccarat win AFTER the 2 football game losses?
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Please sir, read what I took the time to link. I play and I detailed it soon thereafter.

Most of the details are there.
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December 27th, 2021 at 9:14:50 PM permalink
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Please sir, read what I took the time to link. I play and I detailed it soon thereafter.

Most of the details are there.


Ok, you know these posts have time stamps right? And the time stamp for the post you just linked to was 12:36pm yesterday, December 26 and you claim you had just finished up a winning baccarat session of $16,000.

But you also had a $5000 wager, or claim to, on the Minnesota Viking game, which was on in that same time frame. As a matter of fact at 12:26 pm, the Viking game would have been just about the end of the 3rd quarter.

So just to be clear, what you are saying is that after losing (2) $4000 wagers on Saturday, you placed the biggest wager on a football game that you have ever placed, $5000 on Minnesota, chasing the losses from a day before. And while that game, with your biggest wager ever, Minnesota was still playing out, you didn't even bother to watch it but instead, went to a Baccarat table and conveniently won an amount that covered all 3 losses?

Is that what you are telling me?

I give up Sir. I will take your advice and ignore you before I say something, I probably shouldn't.
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December 27th, 2021 at 9:36:30 PM permalink
Here is your explanation. Out of respect I am posting it, maybe I shouldn’t but I will.

I went to the casino on Christmas after Christmas in fact late my time you know after family dinner, after the presents are opened, after the kids are sleeping, when the wife is socializing with the other wives with a couple of bottles and listening/singing karaoke, I snuck out to the casino took a drive with one of the other husbands.

I answered MDawg who wished me a happy holidays at around 11 PM time stamped, as you cite and don’t forget it’s two hours earlier than what it actually is here so it was after 1 AM when I was at the casino and told him my chips were in front of me, if you read the postings that I wrote you would’ve already figured all this out.

I then wrote the results of the baccarat session that took place early in the morning from 1 AM to 2 AM, I wrote them on Sunday after lunch at approximately 2:30pm my time and I accounted for the Vikings lost around 3:20 pm in the afternoon my time. The timestamps are two hours earlier I just looked. I’m in central time zone and if I post something and it says 9:45 PM it’s 11:45 PM in my time zone.

Why are you attempting to make a liar out of me when I’m doing the farthest thing from Lying?
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:14:09 PM permalink
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:16:24 PM permalink
Absolutely ate Duck PHO earlier tonight, yummy!
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:16:50 PM permalink
Sounds like you're living life in the fast lane. I was watching that game when I read your post. I was snowed in and didn't bet so I rooted for you.

Let me guess. You jumped at home dog getting a field goal. But Rams were 3 games better and a win put them in sole possession of 1st place. This is the difference between home field the first round of the playoff. Thus Rams were motivated.

Vikings have been nowhere are likely going nowhere. They can't close games out.

It's good you have more dollars than sense. Sorry they lost.
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:19:42 PM permalink
The different time zones makes zero difference. Whether it was 12:36 my time, or 2:36 your time the post was made during the Minnesota Viking's game at roughly the end of the 3rd quarter of a game you claim to have bet $5000 on. Looking like you would suffer your 3rd straight loss totaling over 13k, you magically came up with a 16k winning baccarat session overnight that covered all these losses.

I call that changing the timeline and facts, mid-stream and asking people to believe that is asking a lot in my opinion. Just one guy's opinion and if saying so is a suspendible offense.....so be it.

This all comes down to credibility and in the last two days you have claimed a wager with a line -4, when the real line was -7.5 everywhere.

You posted a wager or claim of a wager at nearly halftime of the game, with the wager significantly ahead (It still lost).

And now, this magically overnight baccarat session coving all 3 of the losses from these football games.
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:30:28 PM permalink
Check out vegasinsider.com. go to scores, then line movements.

The Rams-Vikings game never went to -7.5. Rams were a 3 point favorite. You'd a been lucky to get +4 and Vikes.
I'd a been all over the Rams as a 3 point dog or better.
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:39:22 PM permalink
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Check out vegasinsider.com. go to scores, then line movements.

The Rams-Vikings game never went to -7.5. Rams were a 3 point favorite. You'd a been lucky to get +4 and Vikes.
I'd a been all over the Rams as a 3 point dog or better.



WRONG GAME.

On Saturday HALF WAY through the game, Marcus posted that he had the Packers -4 over the Browns. At the time the Packers were winning by 7 and covering the wager he claimed.

The problem was that Vegasinsider and other sites showed that line opening at -7 and between -7 and -7.5 right up until kickoff. At no time was the line -4 or anywhere close to it. .
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:47:21 PM permalink
I agree. I don't recall the Packers ever dropping to -4. That would've been a good value even though they only won by 2. A money line line would've dropped to -175. I think it was -275. Too rich for my blood.
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December 27th, 2021 at 10:55:24 PM permalink
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I agree. I don't recall the Packers ever dropping to -4. That would've been a good value even though they only won by 2. A money line line would've dropped to -175. I think it was -275. Too rich for my blood.



Exactly, Moses. Now you are seeing the problem.

Look anyone is free to make picks, attempting to show off whatever they are attempting to show off. Dan Druff does so on his forum every day. Terrible track record but he does so. Some of the guys do so here in a contest thread.

But if you are going to make picks publicly, you have to make the pick before the game starts, not half way through with a pick you are already winning. And you have to use a line that matches the lines available everywhere. You can't have some magical line 3-4 points different then every sportsbook showed. And after losing several of these publicly posted wagers, you can't claim an unrelated win, overnight, playing something that can't be verified that magically covers all your losses. That is just not credible and should be called out as such. (my opinion of course). It is more than not credible....it is insulting to the members here.
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December 27th, 2021 at 11:11:24 PM permalink
I am done with this now. I have said my piece.

The reason this stuff bothers me, is because I have shared my blackjack journey for about 15 years on different forums now. I wanted to do that to show what kind of money a mid-level player could make and the ups and downs, trial and tribulations, backoffs, and database issue that goes along with it.

And I don't think there is a real player anywhere that has shared both the good and bad, the winning and LOSING, including months long losing periods the way I have. 2 of my 12 years in Las Vegas, I have had terrible results, in the black $14k (last year) and 27k about 6 or 7 years ago, both 60k BELOW expectation. And I have shared good years and periods above expectation along the way too. BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY GAMBLING WORKS! With or without an advantage, (+EV or -EV) there is variance and losing periods! And when people come along with a magical journey involving nothing but winning, I get frustrated and upset, because that is just not the way it works.

So, I guess I will see you all after my suspension. Happy New Years to all....even the "posers".
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December 27th, 2021 at 11:12:02 PM permalink
It makes me twitchy as hell. I thought I'd missed something and I'm watching those lines like a hawk...in 3 sports right now.

Last Saturday some guy says 3 games are being postponed on Sunday due to covid. So I go up and ask the ticket writer because the games are still listed on the board. He looks at me like WTF. The guy a sounded so profound.

Someone will say a line jumped and quickly went back down. But it is rare. Line movements is a handy tool. I look and it never moved. I ask the manager and he confirms. I may go back to earplugs.

Lines will moves significantly quite often close to game times. There are times when I sit in a parking lot between Peppermill and Atlantis ready to haul ass to the one that drops first and/or lowest. Sometimes I will bet money line at one casino and the spread at another to get the best value.
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December 27th, 2021 at 11:21:26 PM permalink
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I am done with this now. I have said my piece.

The reason this stuff bothers me, is because I have shared my blackjack journey for about 15 years on different forums now. I wanted to do that to show what kind of money a mid-level player could make and the ups and downs, trial and tribulations, backoffs, and database issue that goes along with it.

And I don't think there is a real player anywhere that has shared both the good and bad, the winning and LOSING, including months long losing periods the way I have. 2 of my 12 years in Las Vegas, I have had terrible results, in the black $14k (last year) and 27k about 6 or 7 years ago, both 60k BELOW expectation. And I have shared good years and periods above expectation along the way too. BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY GAMBLING WORKS! With or without an advantage, (+EV or -EV) there is variance and losing periods! And when people come along with a magical journey involving nothing but winning, I get frustrated and upset, because that is just not the way it works.

So, I guess I will see you all after my suspension. Happy New Years to all....even the "posers".
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KewlJ,

That's where I come from too.

BTW, I believe I also have told of the losing times. My AP is different from yours in that when I lose its because of external forces (i.e. not the luck of the cards or slots but casinos refusing to honor offers while conveniently keeping my financial investment.

I wrote a rather detailed thread about a major burglary of my house which not only involved money but all my player's cards.

And I posted a thread about losing every major operation in the space of twelve months (2019) only to have my comeback go right into a Covid closure.

And I am probably infamous now for picking a stock which has gone down in value.

No one can claim I past post my AP adventures. I keep it real.

So that's why I fight so vigorously on my claims as well.

That's why it's frustrating when BillRyan says Marcus adventures are more believable than mine. How is laying both the wins AND the losses make someone less credible? Less credible than someone who magically wins all the time?

So, yes, I understand you fully.
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December 28th, 2021 at 2:49:23 AM permalink
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I went to the casino




you have repeatedly stated that you learned so much and owe so much to your hero - MDawg

could you please state exactly what you have learned - exactly what is your methodology?

oh, wait - you can't do that because it's a secret - right________?

I feel so, so very sorry for all of us poor, poor WOV members

we are all so very close to the Holy Grail______we can almost reach out and touch it - we can almost smell it_________but we just can't figure out a way to snag it

the Masters keep it to themselves


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December 28th, 2021 at 10:29:00 AM permalink
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My answer is that someone REALLY wants to, once again, remind or tell people they at least semi regularly make 20k a week for some bizarre reason.
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It's because people doubt me. That's the reason.
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It’s an anonymous forum. Why would you care? Frankly, the discussion of “what I make” is rooted in nou·veau riche and not a good look, IMO.

It’s a number. No one cares other than like minded talkers. Then it just becomes one upping.
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December 28th, 2021 at 10:58:06 AM permalink
There's a difference in my industry (TV and radio broadcasting and media) between salaried income and per diem or per contract income.

For example, a staff cameraman on a salary might be paid $1,000 a week. This cameraman could rightfully fill out a mortgage application and list his income as $52,000 a year including paid holidays and vacations.

Then there are per diem and contracted cameramen. A per diem cameraman might have a daily rate of $500 per day, but his work schedule could range from zero days per week to 7 days per week. He would have to report his income based on some other formula which might be monthly or annually. He could not fill out a mortgage application and truthfully say he gets paid $500 a day.

And then you have the big Hollywood stars who might be paid $1-million dollars for two weeks to shoot a movie. They cannot honestly say they're paid $500,000 a week because for the other 50 weeks in the year they're hoping for another role.

True story: when my old TV station KCAL was purchased by Disney the top Disney execs were only learning about how the TV business worked. KCAL was their first TV property.

At an executive meeting Disney Chairman Michael Eisner was told that anchorman Jerry Dunphy was paid $1-million.

Eisner, who dealt with stars getting paid ten million dollars per movie, then said: "that's one million for what?"

And the answer came "one million per year."

In shock, Eisner responded, "and he'll show up every day?"

(One of the great inside stories. Disney later sold KCAL and bought ABC.)
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December 28th, 2021 at 11:09:49 AM permalink
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It’s an anonymous forum. Why would you care? Frankly, the discussion of “what I make” is rooted in nou·veau riche and not a good look, IMO.

It’s a number. No one cares other than like minded talkers. Then it just becomes one upping.



Not necessarily.

When I joined the blackjack/gambling forums in 2006, the 2 books of the MIT blackjack team 'Bringing down the House' and the other title escapes me, were just out with the movie "21" soon to follow. And the talk on all the forums was of the Church team Blackjack team. These two groups portrayed an unrealistic winning fortunes, in a short period of time. Even though I was still playing low limit and building my bankroll, I knew that wasn't realistic and low and behold a short time after that, all these guys couldn't even sit down at a game and were writing books and running seminars.

I wanted to play for a few years, achieve some kind of longevity. And I knew there were betting limit that would enable that. Limits that would not be a threat and would be tolerated by casinos as long as you didn't play too long or frequently at one place. As long as you kept sessions short, which in turn would keep most wins and losses smaller.

So I wanted to show just what that looked like. What those limits were, which I didn't know exactly at the time, what kind of money could be made annually (average), and what kind of swings (variance) would be involved. I just couldn't do that without talking specific dollar amounts.

Now I know talking dollar amounts has rubbed some people the wrong way, but honestly, in my 12 years since I moved to Las vegas and have played roughly the same stakes (a bit higher over the last 2 "covid" years), I have averaged about 80 grand a year from blackjack play and another 20k from other AP play, mostly video poker during that time. THOSE numbers are bottom of the barrel as far as full-time AP's in this town (or anywhere). It stuns me that people have interpreted that as bragging.

Every single aspect of my journey that I have shared makes no sense if I am not sharing actual amounts. Lets say I am on a 3 month losing run, down 33k, Playing a max bet of $2000-$3000 that would be 11-15 max bets, not much of a swing at all. If I was playing a max bet of $100 that would be over 300 max bets, and many, many standard deviations away from anything normal. It is only because I share exactly what stakes I am playing, $400 max bet that it really makes sense of what it is, a pretty nasty and long run, but not anything that is too far away from what would be considered "normal". Just the bad side of the bell curve.

Again, sharing my journey, the swings, the below average and above average years would have no meaning if I tried to use "units" or something like that. It had to be actual amounts.

And I will say something I haven't said before. I am really proud of sharing exactly what I went through year after year, despite all the criticism and disdain for me that has grown out of it. I know I have helped a lot of players. Helped them see exactly what kind of swings occur at that level. What kind of heat you can expect. What kind of average money you can earn and what kind of years you can get that are far below average. That could have only occurred by sharing real money amounts.
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December 28th, 2021 at 11:20:53 AM permalink
Those stars making tens of millions of dollars are an industry unto themselves. They will have a dozen or more people on their payroll.
They may be paid XXXXXXXXXX for each movie but after taxes, agents, management, drivers, publicity and makeup artists they are lucky if they see X. The last year I lived in NY, my friend really wanted to stay home with his newborn son but if he didn't go on tour, a few dozen people were out of a job.
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December 28th, 2021 at 11:27:03 AM permalink
The problem with that is a "not on my watch mentality" in the casino pit.

We get the evil eye, the changing of decks, the eyebrow. Shoot one guy would pump his fist in the air when I lost.

You win and feel like you should apologize. Like when they pass the collection plate and you don't contribute.

Now you have KJ running around spouting 6 figure numbers over decades.

It doesn't matter to me anymore because I can't play. But it made my job even more difficult.

And yes, pit bosses and dealers do read WOV.
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December 28th, 2021 at 11:40:13 AM permalink
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The problem with that is a "not on my watch mentality" in the casino pit.

We get the evil eye, the changing of decks, the eyebrow. Shoot one guy would pump his fist in the air when I lost.

You win and feel like you should apologize. Like when they pass the collection plate and you don't contribute.

Now you have KJ running around spouting 6 figure numbers over decades.

It doesn't matter to me anymore because I can't play. But it made my job even more difficult.

And yes, pit bosses and dealers do read WOV.


Moses, I don't want to get into it with you, but I completely reject your idea that anything I did on forums affected you.

YOU play in Reno. You play single deck. Reno is renowned as the blackjack sweat capitol of the world and especially their single deck games. Reno makes El Cortez look very tolerant. There is not a single professional or even serious player that is based out of Reno or has been in 20 years. A few players may travel to Reno for a weekend of play a couple times a year, as I do (or did), but my experience this year shows even that can be extremely dangerous, as the consequences followed me back home, if you know what I mean.

Your problems with your play in Reno are about Reno and Reno being a complete sweat city that won't allow serious play for long. And that is why there are few serious players for more than a few days at a time at best.

And for players here in Vegas, I probably did them a favor. Casino folks that read the forums I was on were busy running around looking for me, so anyone not matching my description, got a free ride. :)
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December 28th, 2021 at 11:59:38 AM permalink
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The bottom line isn't what you make, it is what you keep. Truly wealthy people make nothing, and value their time. Someone who tells me they make ten thousand dollars a week but takes public transportation or who says they work for the Fed but is on Medicaid makes me wonder.
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If a bus pass is $130 a month, and a car is a $300 payment, plus gas, plus parking, plus maintenance, plus insurance, plus....

That seems to be more than a 50% discount for normal getting around town expenses. In some cities, public transit is probably more convenient than a car.
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