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Quote: PokerGrinderI drink for the taste. I’m drinking a beer right now and that’s the only one I’ll drink tonight. If you told me that this was non alcoholic I’d be good with that.
I'm with you. I rarely am drinking for effect, it is all about taste. It is the same with me for eating, it is all about taste and not about health or nutrition. Today the only thing I ate was half a pecan pie with about 10oz of Southern Comfort. I think between those I had enough sugar today.
Quote: OnceDearApparently there's this thing in USA called CDC.gov. They seem to think 3 ounces per day is reasonable for a man
For which man, we're all different.
If I had a drink at lunch, one when
I got home, one with dinner and
one for a nightcap, nobody would
lift an eyebrow. But because I
measure it exactly and never exceed
it and do it one time frame, that's
weird? I don't think so.
As far as medical science telling us
what's safe to drink. You mean the
same science that said low carb
diets will kill you? Or that pizza is
healthy food? Or that vegetable
oil is healthy and butter and lard
are not? Or MSG will give you a
laundry list of problems? That the
food pyramid is the correct way
to eat? That bananas and oranges
and corn and potatoes and cranberry
juice and bread are good for you?
That meat must be cooked to a
dried out 165 to be safe? That
saturated fat was a killer?
None of that was true, but they
screamed it at us for decades.
Is that the science you're relying
on set you straight?
Quote: MaxPenWhat's foolish is an every day alcohol drinker trying to justify his daily dose.
How does treating it like a drug
'justify' using it? Your understanding
of certain words differ greatly from
common usage. Justification for
drinking would be calling it a medicine,
or saying you drink to calm your nerves.
I like drinking, I don't need to justify it.
Quote: SOOPOOWhat Bob does for Bob is totally fine for Bob. The Bizzarro part is that for some reason he thinks it is a magical formula for anyone else.
It's not a magic formula, what are
you talking about. Tons of people
drink this way. They have very
specific times and places and
amounts they drink. just like me.
What's 'bizzarro' about it.
Quote: gordonm888I swear, if someone started a thread on wiping their butt, Evenbob would start posting us about his choice of toilet paper,
I like Charmin Ultra, it's like
using a cloud on your butt.
It's expensive but worth it.
It's the little things in life
that count.
Quote: EvenBobHow does treating it like a drug
'justify' using it? Your understanding
of certain words differ greatly from
common usage. Justification for
drinking would be calling it a medicine,
or saying you drink to calm your nerves.
I like drinking, I don't need to justify it.
Have another drink😃😂
But there's a Dewars and Soda with a twist as consolation prize.
GL
Suited89
It's bad for your hormones if you are a man. That is kind of extra motivating because who wants to be one of those old guys who looks like a woman?
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/282-287.htm
Alcohol use affects all three parts of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis, a system of endocrine glands and hormones involved in male reproduction. Alcohol use is associated with low testosterone and altered levels of additional reproductive hormones. Researchers are investigating several potential mechanisms for alcohol's damage. These mechanisms are related to alcohol metabolism, alcohol-related cell damage, and other hormonal reactions associated with alcohol consumption. Chronic alcohol use in male rats also has been shown to affect their reproductive ability and the health of their offspring
BTW your signature quote there
is imprecise; it somewhat mixes and matches two great writers. Gore Vidal said, “It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.” W. Somerset Maugham said, on his 85th birthday, “Now that I have grown old, I realize that for most of us it is not enough to have achieved personal success. One’s best friend must also have failed.” Obviously Maugham’s quote is more cynical, but he was 85, maybe we may cut him some slack. Or maybe he was being facetious. As well, Maugham was in turn quoting Francois de La Rochefoucauld (17th century), so neither Vidal nor Maugham coined this phrase.
The exact phrase, from La Rochefoucauld, was "It Is Not Enough to Succeed; One's Best Friend Must Fail."
As I recall, I read somewhere that there was a critic who spoke about Vidal while using La Rochefoucauld’s phrase, but still, Vidal never said it.
I get it, I like your quote, it's just not exactly what Vidal said.
Quote: MDawgEvenBob what about those who take a measured dose of methadone once daily, no more no less, .
What does that have to do with
what I said. What if you hit yourself
in the head with a hammer once
a day. I've known far too many
men who had to give up drinking
in their 50's and 60's for health
reasons because they had no
control over their drinking. Not
alcoholics, just treating their
bodies like they were still 27.
Or these guys who take it easy
during the week & abuse the hell
out of booze every weekend.
That crap catches up to you
eventually.
I have so much more to say.
Why did I stop vodka for rum?
I had never really drank any
straight rum before, white
rum tastes great. Lots of flavor
from the distilled sugar cane
molasses. On the old Brit
ships every sailor got a pint
of rum a day. A pint! They
had to be drunk half the
time.
Quote: mcallister3200Remember when this thread was about OD’s challenge?
This might belong in the Remember When thread.
<<< yikes, now I'm seeing correlations or whatever you want to call it.
Quote: AxelWolfMeanwhile, OD is out tying one on.
<<< yikes, now I'm seeing correlations or whatever you want to call it.
I never understood the idea that
if you drink alone, you have a
drinking problem. How so.
I often drink alone. It doesn't indicate to me that I have a drinking problem.Quote: EvenBob
I never understood the idea that
if you drink alone, you have a
drinking problem. How so.
Living on a forum might indicate a social problem. Constantly lurking on one forum and whinging on another might indicate a sickness :o)
But drinking alone can be something of an indicator for some folk, just like concealing one's drinking from family and friends might be perceived as indicative of a problem.
Of course, anything posted on this forum might be interpreted any number of ways by the lurkers and experts here.
Today I cooked with 1/2 pint of beer* and drank the other 1/2 pint. Knowing that my challenge has not yet begun and that it wasn't costing me $350 in forfeits might have been an influence in why I drank it today.
Quote: OnceDearI often drink alone. It doesn't indicate to me that I have a drinking problem.
Living on a forum might indicate
How does living on a forum work.
I know people live in their cars,
or in tents by the freeway. Where
do you sleep or cook dinner when
you live on a forum.
I don't know, I've never done it. There's no cut-and-dry answer to any of this because everybody's different. There's the many different degrees of alcoholism and alcoholics. Some people can just control it and it has very little effect on their life.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfMeanwhile, OD is out tying one on.
<<< yikes, now I'm seeing correlations or whatever you want to call it.
I never understood the idea that
if you drink alone, you have a
drinking problem. How so.
And yes, there's a good chance if you drink one or two drinks a day you're an alcoholic.
The only time I've ever really drink at my home was when there's some kind of Gathering for a special occasion. I haven't had anything to drink since last year's Super Bowl.
Quote: AxelWolf
And yes, there's a good chance if you drink one or two drinks a day you're an alcoholic.
And no, you're absolutely wrong. These
are the warning signs of alcoholism:
Have you ever felt you should cut down on your drinking?
Have people annoyed you by criticizing your drinking?
Have you ever felt bad or guilty about your drinking?
Have you ever had a drink first thing in the morning to steady your nerves or get over a hangover?
Have you continued to drink even though it was making you feel depressed or anxious or adding to another health problem?
Have there been situations where you ended up drinking much more than you intended?
Have you lost interest in other activities and hobbies since you started drinking?
Have you experienced symptoms associated with an alcohol withdrawal?
Have you felt an urge or craving to consume alcohol?
Have you gotten into situations while drinking that increased your chances of harming yourself or others (i.e., drinking and driving)?
Have you been in trouble with the law due to alcohol-related problems?
Notice that NOWHERE on the list
is having one or two drinks a day
considered a problem.
Quote: EvenBobAnd no, you're absolutely wrong. These
are the warning signs of alcoholism:
Have you ever felt you should cut down on your drinking?
Have people annoyed you by criticizing your drinking?
Have you ever felt bad or guilty about your drinking?
Have you ever had a drink first thing in the morning to steady your nerves or get over a hangover?
Have you continued to drink even though it was making you feel depressed or anxious or adding to another health problem?
Have there been situations where you ended up drinking much more than you intended?
Have you lost interest in other activities and hobbies since you started drinking?
Have you experienced symptoms associated with an alcohol withdrawal?
Have you felt an urge or craving to consume alcohol?
Have you gotten into situations while drinking that increased your chances of harming yourself or others (i.e., drinking and driving)?
Have you been in trouble with the law due to alcohol-related problems?
Notice that NOWHERE on the list
is having one or two drinks a day
considered a problem.
Based on your responses it seems number 2 has heavily influenced your actions.
$:o)Quote: NobodyThese are the warning signs of forum posting addiction:
Have you ever felt you should cut down on your forum posting?
Have people annoyed you by criticizing your forum posting?
Have you ever felt bad or guilty about your forum posting?
Have you ever posted to a forum first thing in the morning to steady your nerves or get over a posting the night before?
Have you continued to post to forums even though it was making you feel depressed or anxious or adding to another health problem?
Have there been situations where you ended up posting to a forum much more than you intended?
Have you lost interest in other activities and hobbies since you started posting to forums?
Have you experienced symptoms associated with a forum posting withdrawal?
Have you felt an urge or craving to post to a forum?
Have you gotten into situations while posting to a forum that increased your chances of harming yourself or others (i.e., posting and cooking)?
Have you been in trouble with the law due to forum posting-related problems?
Quote: MaxPen
Based on your responses it seems number 2 has heavily influenced your actions.
Only people who have no idea
what they're talking about. There
are a lot of myths and old wives
tales surrounding drinking. The
biggest way to tell if you're a
problem drinker is, does it
negatively effect your life in
any way. Do you drink and
beat your wife. Get DWI tickets.
Have frequent hangovers. Have
blackout periods. Drink just to
get drunk. Drink all the time.
Can't play golf, watch sports
on TV, go out to dinner, without
drinking.
There was a guy I remember
from my bar days who
was a businessman. His office
was a few doors down and he'd
duck in for a Budweiser at least
once an hour, maybe more.
He would down the beer in
one pull, took maybe 6 seconds.
And he was gone. He had a tab,
so he was in the bar less than
a 30 seconds usually. Now that's
a guy with a problem.
Quote: EvenBob.
Can't play golf, watch sports
on TV, go out to dinner, without
drinking.
.
Think you might have misspelled go to sleep for the night.
WebMD
Quote:You can still be one even though you have a great “outside life,” with a job that pays well, home, family, friendships, and social bonds, says Sarah Allen Benton, a licensed mental health counselor and author of Understanding the High-Functioning Alcoholic.
Although it’s now officially called “alcohol use disorder,” you’ll still hear a lot of people talking about “alcoholism” or “alcohol abuse.” It's a condition that ranges from mild to moderate to severe. And it’s all still problem drinking, even if you think it's “mild.”
In Denial?
Quote:What Are the Signs?
What is heavy drinking? For women, it’s having more than three drinks a day or seven a week. For men, it's four or more per day or 14 a week. If you drink more than the daily or weekly limit, you’re at risk.
I love Marijuana though, which ironically EB claims is only for idiots.
Unsure who that comment was aimed at. I'm not insulted though.Quote: rxwineWelcome to alcoholism.
Quote: rxwineWelcome to alcoholism.
WebMD
To me that seems more like a bad habit.
I don't drink much anymore. Partly because if I get drunk I will now have terrible hangovers.
However, I used to love drinking alone. Watching TV and eating a bunch of junk food with a buzz on is a pretty good time.
Quote: RigondeauxTo me that seems more like a bad habit.
Habit! Yes that's a thing.
Entrenched habit's can be hard to break, whether it's forum posting, drinking alcohol, drinking soda, smoking, eating junk food, gambling, watching tv, whatever.
Not all habits are problems.
Not all problems are habits.
I choose to challenge my habits from time to time. If anyone has a problem with that, I invite them to realise that's their problem, not mine.
$:o)
Quote: rxwineFor women, it’s having more than three drinks a day or seven a week. For men, it's four or more per day
Those figures are obviously height
and weight dependent. The average
height and weight of a white adult
is 5' 9" and 165 pounds, USA. If you're
taller and weigh more, you can obviously
drink more. I'm 6' 2" and weigh
about 230. I'm 30 pounds too heavy,
but at 200 people say I look sickly.
The last 3 docs I've had said nothing about
4 drinks being too much. In fact, I
asked my new doc if he had a problem
with me drinking 4 drinks a day and
he said "Only if you do."
Quote: OnceDearHabit! Yes that's a thing.
Entrenched habit's can be hard to break, whether it's forum posting, drinking alcohol, drinking soda, smoking, eating junk food, gambling, watching tv, whatever.
Not all habits are problems.
Not all problems are habits.
I choose to challenge my habits from time to time. If anyone has a problem with that, I invite them to realise that's their problem, not mine.
$:o)
It was pretty easy for me not to drink from Dec. 18-26. Only took a damn sinus/ear infection. First time I've went to a doctor, sorry nurse practitioner, this decade.
Good luck cutting out drinking.
There's not enough data on having a few drinks every day, because it usually doesn't cause issues.Quote: EvenBobAnd no, you're absolutely wrong. These
are the warning signs of alcoholism:
Have you ever felt you should cut down on your drinking?
Have people annoyed you by criticizing your drinking?
Have you ever felt bad or guilty about your drinking?
Have you ever had a drink first thing in the morning to steady your nerves or get over a hangover?
Have you continued to drink even though it was making you feel depressed or anxious or adding to another health problem?
Have there been situations where you ended up drinking much more than you intended?
Have you lost interest in other activities and hobbies since you started drinking?
Have you experienced symptoms associated with an alcohol withdrawal?
Have you felt an urge or craving to consume alcohol?
Have you gotten into situations while drinking that increased your chances of harming yourself or others (i.e., drinking and driving)?
Have you been in trouble with the law due to alcohol-related problems?
Notice that NOWHERE on the list
is having one or two drinks a day
considered a problem.
I'm now under the impression that daily drinking causes false beliefs in winning roulette systems/methods along with the ability to tell the difference between true randomness and PRNG's.
Quote: AxelWolfThere's not enough data on having a few drinks every day, because it usually doesn't cause issues.
Yet you stated that drinking every day
means a person is an alcoholic. Could
it just be you're talking out of the hole
in your body furthest from your mouth?
Quote: EvenBobYet you stated that drinking every day
means a person is an alcoholic. Could
it just be you're talking out of the hole
in your body furthest from your mouth?
Why would he be talking out of the pores on the bottom of his feet?
Out of pure curiosity, I have a question about your beer sizes. How much is a pint? In the US, the standard measure is that a pint is 16 fl oz or 473 ml. However, I have been to pubs where a 'pint' is 20 fl oz, or 591 ml. Do your pints correlate with either of these volume values?
BTW, I was on a cruise earlier this month on a package that included free drinks while I was in the casino. However, there was a limit of 15 drinks per day! It didn't really matter, though. The service was so slow, you'd have to be at the tables all day to get to 15 drinks!
People can be addicted to something (an alcoholic)and yet is has virtually no effect on their life, that doesn't mean they're not addicted/an alcoholic. Other than some possible health issues, I'm not sure what effect any amount of drinking would really have if you're living alone getting everything delivered to your doorstep.Quote: EvenBobYet you stated that drinking every day
means a person is an alcoholic. Could
it just be you're talking out of the hole
in your body furthest from your mouth?
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having a few drinks every day(short of hurting others, I'm all for you doing what you want to do and being happy). But for anybody to suggest you would be just fine doing that certainly isn't okay. What works and is okay for you isn't going to work and be okay for others. As it is, you suggested that OD drink more than he already does.
It certainly isn't as cut and dry/simple as you make it out to be.
Quote: JoemanBest of luck, OD, I'm sure you can do it if you put your mind (and will) to it. A little mortification now and then is a good thing. My sister once gave up both coffee and alcohol for Lent (40 day fast before Easter). She said that by far, having no coffee was much harder than no alcohol!
Out of pure curiosity, I have a question about your beer sizes. How much is a pint? In the US, the standard measure is that a pint is 16 fl oz or 473 ml. However, I have been to pubs where a 'pint' is 20 fl oz, or 591 ml. Do your pints correlate with either of these volume values?
BTW, I was on a cruise earlier this month on a package that included free drinks while I was in the casino. However, there was a limit of 15 drinks per day! It didn't really matter, though. The service was so slow, you'd have to be at the tables all day to get to 15 drinks!
Thanks for the support.
Giving up coffee for the odd week always gives me awful withdrawal headaches.
1 UK Pint is 20 UK Fluid Oz=568ml
1 US fluid ounce = 1.0408423 UK fluid ounces.
Beer in bottles used to be an imperial pint but is now slightly less at usually 500ml,
Some European lagers are 330ml, same size as a can of Coke, here.
Many European 'All inclusive' holiday hotels let you have unlimited local beers or spirits, but named brands (even rubbish brands) are rarely included.
I've stayed at hotels where most guests were all-inclusive but I wasn't. Lazy waiters often walked away before I could pay.
Moderate drinking is one of life’s greatest pleasures IMO.
Quote: OnceDearOK,
I drink more than the medically recommended amount of alcohol. Quite how much is an embarrassing secret shared only with my liver.
So, in the spirit of recent weight loss challenges, I hereby challenge myself and seek moral support.
I will not drink alcohol in January, February or March of 2020 (dammit, it's a leap year)
You can wager with me or sponsor or support me however you see fit.
I'm not looking to win money, even for charity!
If I fail in this challenge, I'll pay £100 to a charity that is yet to be decided. Additionally, if I fail, I'll forfeit £5 for every 'unit' of alcohol that I imbibe.
The only waiver I'm taking is that I may pour myself a drink before midnight on 31/Dec and might still be drinking that 5 mins into the new year. ( I'll extend the non-drink period by 5 minutes into April to compensate )
Please cheer me on. I'll need it.
OD.
I don't know if you read this article, or not, but here is what I wrote on the matter:
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/the-36th-day/
Of course, I don't really understand why you are quitting as a temporary measure...but I wish you good luck and success in so doing. The best piece of advice that I can offer is that drinking is a positive action, so there's really nothing but a choice being made as to whether or not to do it.
As far as your, 'Style,' of drinking is concerned, I really can't comment. You've spoken of having a pint of beer whereas I drank liquor by the pint, not poured all at once, of course, but on the night. Actually, often more than a pint. One of the reasons for the switch to vodka is that, even with that, I was still consuming 1,000+ calories on a drinking day just in liquor...I think I calculated one night as just shy of 1,500 calories.
Anyway, I don't know what your goals or expectations are, but hopefully that happens. I still haven't drank and I don't really know why. At this point, it's really as much about not breaking the streak as anything else. I guess also because I know it doesn't make anything better, except it does temporarily...but screw it...I'll just be miserable all the time instead. At least there's no wondering about how long the previous drinking session will maintain my happy state, I'm only happy for a few minutes here and there on a good day. Misery's not so bad, I guess, at least it's predictable.
Good luck.
My experience is also drinking a bit on the heavy side, but I found it easy to give up for a couple months.. once you get past the first week.
Hang in there, you can do it, and it will be easier than you think.
Quote: rsactuary
My experience is also drinking a bit on the heavy side, but I found it easy to give up for a couple months.. once you get past the first week.
Hang in there, you can do it, and it will be easier than you think.
I must be different than most. When I am drinking more I eat less and lose more weight.
Quote: DRichI must be different than most. When I am drinking more I eat less and lose more weight.
I gain weight from the calories in beer.
Quote: rsactuaryI gain weight from the calories in beer.
Often when I drink I end up not eating any dinner because I just want to sleep. Seeing as I usually only eat one meal a day if that was going to be my dinner, the drinking makes me tired and I go to bed and end up not having any meal that day. I usually drink light beer and whiskey so my drinking calories are probably under 1000.
Quote: OnceDear1 US fluid ounce = 1.0408423 UK fluid ounces.
Here's why:
The UK fluid ounce = the volume of water with a mass of 1 ounce of mass at 62 degrees Fahrenheit
(by the way, the ounce of mass is the same in the UK as it is in the USA: 28.349523125 g)
The USA fluid ounce = 1/128 of a US Gallon, which is 231 cubic inches = 231 x 2.543 = 3785.411784 ml
Quote: missionOK,
I guess also because I know it doesn't make anything better, except it does temporarily...but screw it...I'll just be miserable all the time instead. At least there's no wondering about how long the previous drinking session will maintain my happy state, I'm only happy for a few minutes here and there on a good day. Misery's not so bad, I guess, at least it's predictable.
Good luck.
Tough man.
Obviously there are a ton of ways to address it. Meds, work out, change diet, meditation, changing your philosophy/psychology.
Not easy but many have done it.
Quote: Mission146I guess also because I know it doesn't make anything better, except it does temporarily...but screw it...I'll just be miserable all the time instead. At least there's no wondering about how long the previous drinking session will maintain my happy state, I'm only happy for a few minutes here and there on a good day. Misery's not so bad, I guess, at least it's predictable.
Good luck.
I’ve read procrastination is the result of not wanting to deal with the feelings that certain tasks generate. Of course the task or situation is an individual thing.
In general, I think that applies to a lot of situations.
It’s good to take a few moments on and off during the day and embrace whatever moments of misery you may have instead of substituting an avoidance activity. Instead of running away from it.
pershonal inshult !Quote: SOOPOOThere are allegations that OnceDear is too drunk to post........
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