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March 18th, 2019 at 6:32:22 PM permalink
Figured this thread would provide a place to discuss events affecting everyone's daily lives. Try to keep it on topic for all things current. Please provide links to support topics discussed.

If you are white and love the United States you may soon find yourself on the naughty list.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434555-house-judiciary-committee-plans-hearing-on-white-nationalism
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March 18th, 2019 at 7:01:21 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Figured this thread would provide a place to discuss events affecting everyone's daily lives. Try to keep it on topic for all things current. Please provide links to support topics discussed.

If you are white and love the United States you may soon find yourself on the naughty list.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434555-house-judiciary-committee-plans-hearing-on-white-nationalism



The Nazis had that same problem circa 1939

They loved Germany and wound up on the naughty list
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March 18th, 2019 at 7:45:28 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

If you are white and love the United States you may soon find yourself on the naughty list.



18 people were killed here last year
in white nationalist crimes. Over
700 were killed in bicycle accidents.
I'm just sayin..

It's not the cause person is involved
in that kills people, it's the person himself.
They join a cause because they're violent
and are looking for an excuse to kill.
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March 18th, 2019 at 7:59:37 PM permalink
Here's a current event. Donna Brazile joined
Fox News today. The comment section is
where all the entertainment is.

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March 18th, 2019 at 8:36:35 PM permalink
So is this just gonna be another political thread?

IMO the names In The News and Current Events are some word I am searching for.

What is it?

Synonymous?
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March 18th, 2019 at 8:41:25 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Here's a current event. Donna Brazile joined
Fox News today. The comment section is
where all the entertainment is.



I remember her making this Tweet that she felt the need to delete from her account shortly after making it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxpHP1iVsAAhlvF.jpg

I think she is still a person of interest in the Seth Rich murder as well.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fox-news-donna-brazile-is-person-of-interest-in-seth-rich-murder-case-according-to-investigator/

So let's get this straight, FOX fires a well liked brilliant judge and hires a possible murderer.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/arts-entertainment/2019/03/17/fox-news-bumps-judge-jeanine-after-remarks-about-rep-omars-hijab-trump-wants-her-back-air/
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March 18th, 2019 at 8:43:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

18 people were killed here last year
in white nationalist crimes. Over
700 were killed in bicycle accidents.
I'm just sayin..

It's not the cause person is involved
in that kills people, it's the person himself.
They join a cause because they're violent
and are looking for an excuse to kill.



38 were killed in 2018, according to this list, not 18. The two largest were MSD shootings and Pittsburgh temple.

And it is the cause to some degree. People have been given "permission" by right-wing extremists to burn it all down, to be violent, to commit suicide by police. To blame the rest of the world, especially women and minorities, for their lot in life, rather than taking responsibility for themselves.

They get encouraged by tacit and outright acceptance of their complaints by those manipulating and escalating their resentment and fear. Did one guy march down Charlottesville streets with tiki torches and vile slogans? No. It was hundreds, meeting to provide strength in numbers and reinforce their shared resentment.

It's really irresponsible to ignore the role of organized hate groups and propaganda in escalating these incidents. The hate groups themselves are proud of the role they play - if they can admit it, why can't you?
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March 18th, 2019 at 8:46:21 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So is this just gonna be another political thread?

IMO the names In The News and Current Events are some word I am searching for.

What is it?

Synonymous?



As Face said elsewhere, current events in themselves can be interesting and useful topics, worthy of discussion. If this turns into another clickbait-y jingoist cesspool, we'll close it, too. So far, it's not looking good, but we'll see.
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March 18th, 2019 at 8:49:14 PM permalink
CURRENT EVENTS
IN THE NEWS

Totally different thing, I guess.

I'm sure me and PG can find some current events talking about family love.

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March 18th, 2019 at 8:51:17 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So is this just gonna be another political thread?

IMO the names In The News and Current Events are some word I am searching for.

What is it?

Synonymous?



You have a thread block button. I'm pretty sure non-politic current events will get discussed as well. I know the whole sub-forum of Freedom of Speech was shut down. I'm not ready to believe this site is Anti- American yet. Maybe you will get your wish and this thread will be censored as well. Give it some time.
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March 18th, 2019 at 9:26:01 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So is this just gonna be another political thread?



What thread does the Brazile post belong
in. Maybe you should block threads that
stress you out. I block most threads.
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March 18th, 2019 at 9:29:43 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

. So far, it's not looking good, but we'll see.



Which part isn't looking good. I'm totally
baffled. Which are not current events.
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March 18th, 2019 at 9:37:23 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

As Face said elsewhere, current events in themselves can be interesting and useful topics, worthy of discussion. If this turns into another clickbait-y jingoist cesspool, we'll close it, too. So far, it's not looking good, but we'll see.

Just limit the name Trump to one per person, per week and the thread should be just fine. Honestly, we should have a IN THE NEWS thread/CURRENT EVENTS thread. There have been a number of times I wanted to talk about something in the news (non political in nature). I thought it was too good for the miscellaneous thread but not good enough for a new thread.
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March 18th, 2019 at 9:39:17 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Which part isn't looking good.

SHE is probably thinking, the part where you showed up.
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March 18th, 2019 at 9:42:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

SHE is probably thinking, the part where you showed up.



Why make comments like this, it's what
got the last thread closed. All the bickering
and nonsense posts like this. All you want
to do is cause trouble.
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March 18th, 2019 at 9:59:16 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

It's really irresponsible to ignore the role of organized hate groups and propaganda in escalating these incidents. The hate groups themselves are proud of the role they play - if they can admit it, why can't you?

That sounds like a really hateful thing to say.
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March 18th, 2019 at 10:17:45 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

That sounds like a really hateful thing to say.



I just think she is confusing jingoism with patriotism.
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March 18th, 2019 at 10:36:33 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs



It's really irresponsible to ignore the role of organized hate groups



Organized hate groups have been
around all my life. Black Panthers,
KKK, Weather Underground,
Holocaust denier groups, on and
on. I'm supposed to be overly
concerned because there are
new ones like Black Lives Matter,
and Neo Nazi's and White Supremacists?
They're all the same, just morphed
into different names. Haters gotta
hate..

I don't understand the 'why can't
you' question? Why can't I what,
elaborate.
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March 18th, 2019 at 10:50:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Organized hate groups have been
around all my life. Black Panthers,
KKK, Weather Underground,
Holocaust denier groups, on and
on. I'm supposed to be overly
concerned because there are
new ones like Black Lives Matter,
and Neo Nazi's and White Supremacists?
They're all the same, just morphed
into different names. Haters gotta
hate..

I don't understand the 'why can't
you' question? Why can't I what,
elaborate.



Probably not going to get any elaboration. It looks like the poking and picking at members was started by a moderator, on page 1 of the thread no less.
Quote: beachbumbabs



It's really irresponsible to ignore the role of organized hate groups and propaganda in escalating these incidents. The hate groups themselves are proud of the role they play - if they can admit it, why can't you?



Face warned about such actions.
Probably just best to stay on the high road and get back on topic of current events.
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March 18th, 2019 at 11:45:02 PM permalink
What do the frequent fliers here think about the current 737 max 8/9 problems? Would you consider flying on something that has an inherent design flaw that would be compensated for with a software update? Shouldn't Boeing have to redesign and rebuild the plane?

"Normally computers systems on planes are designed to assist the pilot. The MCAS system was secretly implemented to cover up a flaw in the planes aerodynamics."

https://www.pointswithacrew.com/can-boeing-fix-a-potentially-faulty-737-max-design-with-software/
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March 19th, 2019 at 12:32:35 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

What do the frequent fliers here think about the current 737 max 8/9 problems? Would you consider flying on something that has an inherent design flaw that would be compensated for with a software update? Shouldn't Boeing have to redesign and rebuild the plane?

"Normally computers systems on planes are designed to assist the pilot. The MCAS system was secretly implemented to cover up a flaw in the planes aerodynamics."

https://www.pointswithacrew.com/can-boeing-fix-a-potentially-faulty-737-max-design-with-software/



I think I'd want to see more data. If this is a rare occurrence I might be fine with it, but if it's one of just a few flights with the plane it's gonna be a hard pass.
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March 19th, 2019 at 2:37:51 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

38 were killed in 2018, according to this list, not 18. The two largest were MSD shootings and Pittsburgh temple.

And it is the cause to some degree. People have been given "permission" by right-wing extremists to burn it all down, to be violent, to commit suicide by police. To blame the rest of the world, especially women and minorities, for their lot in life, rather than taking responsibility for themselves.



38 is still a low number. As to the rest of the statement, how is this different than everything from groups like BLM blaming white people for their lot in life? The difference seems to be that the media gives the groups on the left a free pass at the least and plenty of air time at most to legitimize their gripes.
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March 19th, 2019 at 3:07:15 AM permalink
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March 19th, 2019 at 3:13:41 AM permalink
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SHE is probably thinking, the part where you showed up.



You were feisty yesterday
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March 19th, 2019 at 3:20:00 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

What do the frequent fliers here think about the current 737 max 8/9 problems? Would you consider flying on something that has an inherent design flaw that would be compensated for with a software update? Shouldn't Boeing have to redesign and rebuild the plane?

"Normally computers systems on planes are designed to assist the pilot. The MCAS system was secretly implemented to cover up a flaw in the planes aerodynamics."

https://www.pointswithacrew.com/can-boeing-fix-a-potentially-faulty-737-max-design-with-software/



I cant say that I am very knowledgeable about this and I haven't turned on a tv in almost a week so I am just going by what little I have read. Saying that, there is no way Inam getting in one of those and not real confident in any Boeing. There are reports that pilots have complained multiple times that the nose would so a sudden dive that they would have to manually correct. If this is a software glitch then it is possible that it could be a problem in all Boeing planes. I know the person in charge of designing the wings for these planes. I sent him a text the other day and his response was, "I am not allowed to say anything about boeing or the planes". I asked a follow up and he hasn't responded. Sounds like the engineers have a gag order.

I will stick to riding Airbus for a little while. My may flights will be on Airbus.
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March 19th, 2019 at 5:04:13 AM permalink
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/30703-the-politics-and-current-events-thread/

Uh.... -.-
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March 19th, 2019 at 5:42:02 AM permalink
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/30703-the-politics-and-current-events-thread/

Uh.... -.-



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March 19th, 2019 at 5:53:07 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

What do the frequent fliers here think about the current 737 max 8/9 problems? Would you consider flying on something that has an inherent design flaw that would be compensated for with a software update? Shouldn't Boeing have to redesign and rebuild the plane?



I've been following this and it seems like the Boeing engineers decided that people can't be trusted, but software can. That doesn't seem to have worked out very well.

Then I think about NASA and how, (as I recall), everything had to have triple redundancy, which did seem to minimize accidents.

Seems like they blew it on both ends.

As for fixing it if it's predominately a software problem it shouldn't be that difficult.
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March 19th, 2019 at 5:56:33 AM permalink
What's really funny is there are already a few threads for political posts that are mostly used by the same people who continually post things they think prove one or the other party is better and exactly -zero- people are likely to find that to be compelling.
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March 19th, 2019 at 6:18:03 AM permalink
Quote: Hullabaloo

What's really funny is there are already a few threads for political posts that are mostly used by the same people who continually post things they think prove one or the other party is better and exactly -zero- people are likely to find that to be compelling.



Nobody is changing anyone else's mind here when it comes to politics (or even dice influencing!)...that is why I come and go from posting in those threads. Sometimes it is fun, but is mostly a waste of time.
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March 19th, 2019 at 6:23:44 AM permalink
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I'm not ready to believe this site is Anti- American yet. Maybe you will get your wish and this thread will be censored as well. Give it some time.



I am a member of other forums that allow no politics at all. This site allows some political discussions (there are three main threads right now) and we have a hard time staying within the listed subject on each of them. I have no problem with them limiting the number of threads related to politics and non-Vegas non-gambling stuff. There are plenty of boards for that and limiting it here in a privately-owned forum is an ownership decision, not a restriction of free speech.

Anit-American? Nah. The site, and the moderation of it, have a tendency to like the left better than the right overall...but, again, it is their playground.
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March 19th, 2019 at 8:04:45 AM permalink
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All my life I told people I was a rightie because of my writing hand and now everyone here is insisting I am a leftie



If only those darned French guys would have sat different at the table way back when.....
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March 19th, 2019 at 8:21:57 AM permalink
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I'm not ready to believe this site is Anti- American yet.



A site dedicated to the business and hobby of making money?

That's about as American as you can get....
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March 19th, 2019 at 8:38:13 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I cant say that I am very knowledgeable about this and I haven't turned on a tv in almost a week so I am just going by what little I have read. Saying that, there is no way Inam getting in one of those and not real confident in any Boeing. There are reports that pilots have complained multiple times that the nose would so a sudden dive that they would have to manually correct. If this is a software glitch then it is possible that it could be a problem in all Boeing planes. I know the person in charge of designing the wings for these planes. I sent him a text the other day and his response was, "I am not allowed to say anything about boeing or the planes". I asked a follow up and he hasn't responded. Sounds like the engineers have a gag order.

I will stick to riding Airbus for a little while. My may flights will be on Airbus.

According to Max's article and what I have heard from other sources, the software that had the problem was written specifically for the 737 MAX planes, and specifically to correct an aerodynamic flaw in the design. Plus, pilots have no training for encountering an error with the software.

I have every confidence in the standard Boeing 737, or any of its other aircraft, but I would not be comfortable flying in a 737 MAX 8/9.

I'd be interested in what Babs or the other aerophiles around here have to say about this.
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March 19th, 2019 at 12:45:36 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

I'd be interested in what Babs or the other aerophiles around here have to say about this.



I was hoping that she would chime in but she must be out chasing down the bad guys on the forum...

While what I have read, which gives me only a smidgen of actual knowledge about what has happened, seem to indicate that training was lacking on this issue and it was set up improperly to rely on only one sensor before engaging.

I'd love to hear from someone with real knowledge...
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March 19th, 2019 at 2:54:56 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

I was hoping that she would chime in but she must be out chasing down the bad guys on the forum...

While what I have read, which gives me only a smidgen of actual knowledge about what has happened, seem to indicate that training was lacking on this issue and it was set up improperly to rely on only one sensor before engaging.

I'd love to hear from someone with real knowledge...



I wrote some on it at DT, where it came up a few days ago. I'm hearing the same things you all are. Here's a post from what I said there, and I may add to it.

Quote:


I'm a pilot and a controller, but that doesn't mean I know a lot about flying jets.

However, I think there are unaddressed issues beyond the obvious. One is that type-ratings are expensive and time-consuming. The B737Max has evolved from about 50 years of producing B737. Just about the only things the Max has in common with a B737-200 (first widely flown production model) is the number of engines. 2. End of story.

The B737 is the most flown, by model, of all air carriers. So there are hundreds of thousands of certificated pilots for it. Sales point in marketing the Max: your pilots already know how to fly it! They're already type-rated (licensed to fly)! Plug n play compatibility!

Except it's not. The powerplants are different. The fly-by-wire aspect of the stabilizers and trim - the pilot almost CAN'T fly manually in the newest planes. The software and safety overrides of unbelievably sophisticated electronic packages, that consolidate human physical input, dozens of sensor readings, miles (literal miles) of wiring to all components and control surfaces, radardome weather and traffic and GPS returns...it's a delicate balance.

And the hierarchy of programming and responses to a huge variety of possible inputs - it could be simply glitches in the computer response to a particular sequence of events that are unanticipated in normal flight.

There's a good chance Boeing should have drawn a line well short of calling this aircraft a B737.

There's another good chance that the training was inadequate to the airplane, for those type-rated in general but transitioning to this model.

There's a chance that, since each airline or operator will have their own procedures they layer on top of basic operation of a jet, the Lionair and Ethiopian procedures.may have precipitated the porpoise motion.

For example, IF (pure speculation) those two both instructed their crews to throttle back leaving 10000 ft on their climb profile to save on fuel (climb more slowly to altitude than the ideal profile), when the aircraft was instructed to climb to 34000 ft, the sensors would have indicated the loss of airflow over the wings, so the computer thought they were indicating a stall, and proactively retrimming, pushing the nose down to regain airspeed. If the pilots didn't know how to override or cut out the computer quickly, it could produce the type of profile the data shows in the climb/descent oscillation for both. Again pure speculation on my part.

But pilots have been largely relegated to flight monitors, so their training and expectations may reflect that these days. It's also allowed that, depending on the regulatory agency, up to 100% of training for type can be done in a simulator, not an actual aircraft. It's been at least 15 years since we heard, with some surprise and foreboding, that there were now pilots who, the first time they flew an actual aircraft, had paying passengers in the back.

Idk about you folks, but that scared the hell out of me at the time.



It's beginning to look like the political forces were running the FAA when it counted, instead of a permanent Administrator chosen from among professionals. Unfortunately, that will he an intangible factor going forward, because the FAA I worked for would have shut it down immediately, that day, as part of the safety culture, then opened it back up once the issue was resolved. That's how we went from an airliner crashing once a month, to more than 10 years without one fatality, during my 30 year career. Expensive, horribly, but not when compared to the expense of losing another aircraft to the same thing.

The worst part of this is, it's looking like the FAA and Boeing KNEW everything they now know about the problem and the fixes after the Lionair disaster, but they were trying to fix it on the run (without grounding the MAX), and the process got delayed due to the 35 day shutdown. It was scheduled to be fixed in January.

So now, (perhaps, assuming the fix and course of action are correct), their greed and bs priorities will have killed an entire airplane full of people. This may sink.Boeing yet. It will certainly be an ongoing argument against the competence of the Trump Administration, deserved or not.
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March 19th, 2019 at 3:19:02 PM permalink
Rep. Devin Nunes files $250 million law suit against Twitter.

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/rep-devin-nunes-files-250-001907390.html
(text and Video from FOX)

The video says Twitter failed to remove defamatory and malicious tweets from real and bogus accounts and that Twitter was designed to discredit him and undermine his Russia investigation.

In the video they bantered about how horrible this was and how the laws needed to change to ensure this doesn't continue to happen.

Oddly enough, there was no mention of the Presidents tweets.
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March 19th, 2019 at 3:52:19 PM permalink
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Rep. Devin Nunes files $250 million law suit against Twitter.


What a snow flake
Guy is a media whore
He lost power and he cant deal with it
He wants media attention
The lawsuit is total BS
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March 19th, 2019 at 4:15:47 PM permalink
Great non political news.

Supreme Court Upholds ICE Detention Without Bail for Serious Criminals

How could anybody be against this.
I don't want those people bailing
out and wandering around. There
are too many Angel Families
already.
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March 19th, 2019 at 4:29:53 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Great non political news.

Supreme Court Upholds ICE Detention Without Bail for Serious Criminals

How could anybody be against this.
I don't want those people bailing
out and wandering around. There
are too many Angel Families
already.



Shows why good SCOTUS justices are important. Sadly the liberal wing makes it political, coming down on the side of illegal aliens over safety of citizens once more.
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March 19th, 2019 at 4:38:18 PM permalink
The case involved someone arrested for smoking marijuana who served out their sentence.

ICE can now detain them for any crime without bail for any amount of time

Theoretically an illegal could be imprisoned for life (indeterminate time) for something frivolous like smoking weed

Thats cruel and unusual punishment in most people's books including the founding fathers

If something egregious like that does happen (legally possible) expect a follow up suit

BTW - this decision leaves the door open for follow up suits
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March 19th, 2019 at 4:51:25 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The case involved someone arrested for smoking marijuana who served out their sentence.

ICE can now detain them for any crime without bail for any amount of time

Theoretically an illegal could be imprisoned for life (indeterminate time) for something frivolous like smoking weed

Thats cruel and unusual punishment in most people's books including the founding fathers

If something egregious like that does happen (legally possible) expect a follow up suit

BTW - this decision leaves the door open for follow up suits


What exactly is so bad about an illegal being detained for life? Yeah it costs some tax money, but if enough get detained for life (or just sell them as slaves to Saudi Arabia, win/win), that should be enough deterrent to keep them and others from trying to come in.
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March 19th, 2019 at 4:53:43 PM permalink
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Theoretically an illegal could be imprisoned for life



Good thing the SCOTUS makes rulings
based on reality and not theories
and fantasies. For every law on the
books there is a 'what if' theory of
what 'could' happen. Luckily common
sense usually wins.
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March 19th, 2019 at 5:07:51 PM permalink
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What's really funny is there are already a few threads for political posts that are mostly used by the same people who continually post things they think prove one or the other party is better and exactly -zero- people are likely to find that to be compelling.

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March 19th, 2019 at 6:48:18 PM permalink
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ICE can now detain them for any crime without bail for any amount of time


You are completely. The case did NOT change the length of time a illegal alien can be detained.

The case was about the time-frame that federal authorities have to place immigrants into detention.

The court ruled 5-4 that federal authorities could place immigrants into detention anytime, not just immediately after they finish their prison sentences.

Here is a link to the actual opinion
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/16-1363_a86c.pdf
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March 19th, 2019 at 7:05:51 PM permalink
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You are completely. The case did NOT change the length of time a illegal alien can be detained.

The case was about the time-frame that federal authorities have to place immigrants into detention.

The court ruled 5-4 that federal authorities could place immigrants into detention anytime, not just immediately after they finish their prison sentences.

Here is a link to the actual opinion
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/16-1363_a86c.pdf



A supreme court decision also includes the dissenting opinion

I suppose you dont count justice Breyer a scotus judge?

What I said about indefinite detention is part of the decision even if voiced by Justice Breyer and the minority vote

Maybe you should read the full decision and not stop once you get to the parts you dont like

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/3/19/18272874/preap-nielsen-indefinite-detention-dissent
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March 19th, 2019 at 7:13:17 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: EvenBob

Great non political news.

Supreme Court Upholds ICE Detention Without Bail for Serious Criminals

How could anybody be against this.
I don't want those people bailing
out and wandering around. There
are too many Angel Families
already.



Shows why good SCOTUS justices are important. Sadly the liberal wing makes it political, coming down on the side of illegal aliens over safety of citizens once more.

Ok I'm convinced MAGA 1,000 years. Then Jesus can try ruling.
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March 19th, 2019 at 7:16:21 PM permalink
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What exactly is so bad about an illegal being detained for life? Yeah it costs some tax money, but if enough get detained for life (or just sell them as slaves to Saudi Arabia, win/win), that should be enough deterrent to keep them and others from trying to come in.

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March 19th, 2019 at 7:25:43 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

A supreme court decision also includes the dissenting opinion

I suppose you dont count justice Breyer a scotus judge?

What I said about indefinite detention is part of the decision even if voiced by Justice Breyer and the minority vote

Maybe you should read the full decision and not stop once you get to the parts you dont like

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/3/19/18272874/preap-nielsen-indefinite-detention-dissent


Show me exactly where in the opinions the rules for ICE have been changed to where
"ICE can now detain them for any crime without bail for any amount of time"
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