RonC
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March 13th, 2019 at 12:04:42 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

Luckily the cops didn't accidentally discharge their firearms and kill anybody [and the family dog] ala SWAT.



Exactly. If you don't go in like they did when you don't need to do so, less of those kind of things happen.

Pulling a weapon (even without pointing it) on somebody is always a tense situation for all involved. Unless you've been on one end or the other of it, it is easy to trivialize. Once you have been on one side or the other, it is a little different. I've been on both sides. Neither was any fun.
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March 13th, 2019 at 12:27:02 PM permalink
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Re-read some of your posts It's called craps You created your own where now the casinos are actually leeching off you. Ya, Ya, I know, you think they will never catch up with you since you use a super duper fancy dancy hit and run system.

and don't forget to stay hydrated.



I guess insecure people could interpret it that way.

Not a system and not super duper fancy.... just disciplined, knowledgeable, and experienced.

Bye, have a gray tie tonight! Drink lots of fluids......
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March 13th, 2019 at 1:19:41 PM permalink
SWAT teams are used far too often

There are so many horror stories of them showing up to the wrong house and killing someone who had zero involvement with the case

And the dog dies 100% of the time

Militarization of police is not good.
petroglyph
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March 13th, 2019 at 2:01:42 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

SWAT teams are used far too often

There are so many horror stories of them showing up to the wrong house and killing someone who had zero involvement with the case

And the dog dies 100% of the time

Militarization of police is not good.

And this story is already 5 years old! http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/10-facts-about-the-swatification-of-america-that-everyone-should-know?utm_source=feedly&utm_reader=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=10-facts-about-the-swatification-of-america-that-everyone-should-know
EvenBob
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March 13th, 2019 at 2:03:19 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak


There are so many horror stories of them showing up to the wrong house and killing someone who had zero involvement with the case



That's because for every brave cop,
there are 10 chickenshits. They need
an army of cops around them to
feel safe.
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March 13th, 2019 at 3:20:13 PM permalink
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Quote: Ayecarumba

I think, "received notice that they might face arrest" is not the same as "We're coming tomorrow morning to arrest you".



It doesn't matter as far as I am concerned. Parsing words. They were going to be arrested; they would not have been notified of that if there had not been a nearly 100% chance that it was going to happen.

The point is why waste the time and manpower and not just have them report? You can't even use the "publicity" thing like they did in the perp walks for Wall Street where they wanted to get it in the news. These people were being arrested, no matter how the came to be in custody, and sending 13 teams of gun-wielding agents for this type of crime is a waste of time and money. OUR money. If one of the accused was considered dangerous, then you have to handle that in a different way.

Stone was not dangerous. These defendants may well be guilty, but they are physically pretty harmless.

You can still publish mug shots and say that have been arrested...



There's a big difference between "might" and "We are coming to arrrest you". I get notices of "might" or "may" face prosecution every time I play a DVD, or watch an MLB baseball game on TV. That is very different than "Officers will be at your door tomorrow morning to take you into custody". Which you have rightly pointed out would put law enforcement in jeopardy.

It is clear that the arrests were done purposefully to embarrass folks and generate publicity. I also agree with you that it is a waste of tax payer dollars too, and that these parents, whose real crime is what... wanting the best for their kids?... will not face any significant jail time and will end up doing community service. In the meantime, a USC student was murdered a few blocks from the campus on Sunday night. Maybe the resources spent running down rich folks who made large "donations" in order to get their kids on campus would be better spent keeping the kids already there from dying at the hands of gun wielding criminals?



They committed tax fraud by participating in a scheme involving a phony charity and because the applications were sent via US Mail, its a conspiracy to commit mail fraud. These are Federal crimes and Federal prosecutions rarely end in a wrist slap. People who steal with pens are more insidious to society than those who rob at gunpoint. The former often pretend to be community leaders while the latter let it be known they are criminals.
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Ayecarumba
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March 13th, 2019 at 4:11:05 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: Ayecarumba

Quote: RonC

Quote: Ayecarumba

I think, "received notice that they might face arrest" is not the same as "We're coming tomorrow morning to arrest you".



It doesn't matter as far as I am concerned. Parsing words. They were going to be arrested; they would not have been notified of that if there had not been a nearly 100% chance that it was going to happen.

The point is why waste the time and manpower and not just have them report? You can't even use the "publicity" thing like they did in the perp walks for Wall Street where they wanted to get it in the news. These people were being arrested, no matter how the came to be in custody, and sending 13 teams of gun-wielding agents for this type of crime is a waste of time and money. OUR money. If one of the accused was considered dangerous, then you have to handle that in a different way.

Stone was not dangerous. These defendants may well be guilty, but they are physically pretty harmless.

You can still publish mug shots and say that have been arrested...



There's a big difference between "might" and "We are coming to arrrest you". I get notices of "might" or "may" face prosecution every time I play a DVD, or watch an MLB baseball game on TV. That is very different than "Officers will be at your door tomorrow morning to take you into custody". Which you have rightly pointed out would put law enforcement in jeopardy.

It is clear that the arrests were done purposefully to embarrass folks and generate publicity. I also agree with you that it is a waste of tax payer dollars too, and that these parents, whose real crime is what... wanting the best for their kids?... will not face any significant jail time and will end up doing community service. In the meantime, a USC student was murdered a few blocks from the campus on Sunday night. Maybe the resources spent running down rich folks who made large "donations" in order to get their kids on campus would be better spent keeping the kids already there from dying at the hands of gun wielding criminals?



They committed tax fraud by participating in a scheme involving a phony charity and because the applications were sent via US Mail, its a conspiracy to commit mail fraud. These are Federal crimes and Federal prosecutions rarely end in a wrist slap. People who steal with pens are more insidious to society than those who rob at gunpoint. The former often pretend to be community leaders while the latter let it be known they are criminals.



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March 13th, 2019 at 4:22:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That's because for every brave cop,
there are 10 chickenshits. They need
an army of cops around them to
feel safe.


Doing it with a no knock warrant is even worse.

I canít believe no knock warrants are legal.

And to think most of them are done over drugs. What a waste: just another sickening symptom of the failure of the war on drugs.
petroglyph
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March 13th, 2019 at 4:49:33 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Doing it with a no knock warrant is even worse.

I canít believe no knock warrants are legal.

And to think most of them are done over drugs....

And...because of an amount that is flushable.
Tanko
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March 13th, 2019 at 4:54:42 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I canít believe no knock warrants are legal.

And to think most of them are done over drugs.



Good idea. Knock first, so the drug dealers inside have time to arm themselves to teeth.

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