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I still want to see someone make every possible bet on the roulette layout.
So what does that win you with the 31 hitting? I'm flunking this kind of math today.
Quote: ChumpChangeKind of hard to count the chips array unless I get a bigger monitor. It looks like 25 chips times 6 = 150 chips, plus 3 on the end for 153 chips plus a couple more on the extra numbers. 155 chips X $5 is $775.
So what does that win you with the 31 hitting? I'm flunking this kind of math today.
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Quote: ChumpChangeKind of hard to count the chips array unless I get a bigger monitor. It looks like 25 chips times 6 = 150 chips, plus 3 on the end for 153 chips plus a couple more on the extra numbers. 155 chips X $5 is $775.
So what does that win you with the 31 hitting? I'm flunking this kind of math today.
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This is one of those bets where you lose when your number hits.
This looks like evenly valued bets everywhere, including straights, corners, splits, and streets. You can assume that the chips touching the 0 and 00 are lost, and the rest of the chips are pushed back to you.
If you cover this much of the board, you cannot win more than you bet.
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I still want to see someone make every possible bet on the roulette layout.
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You see people do something similar to this all the time. They'll bet 23 or 24 numbers and they'll win way more often than they lose but their chips still goes down gradually and they're always amazed when it's gone because they won almost every time. The problem is they never bet the same amount on every number it's always mixed up and that's what screws them. Because even with a small amount win you still lose more than you bet.
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I still want to see someone make every possible bet on the roulette layout.
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You see people do something similar to this all the time. They'll bet 23 or 24 numbers and they'll win way more often than they lose but their chips still goes down gradually and they're always amazed when it's gone because they won almost every time. The problem is they never bet the same amount on every number it's always mixed up and that's what screws them. Because even with a small amount win you still lose more than you bet.
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I have never seen anything close to someone making all possible bets for one spin. I believe there are close to 200 different bets available on the layout.
Windows 10 expires in 4 months again and my PC's may be too old to illegally upgrade to Windows 11. I may have to opt for this conversion and turn off my Windows internet. I know not much about Linux but I might go with the Zorin OS 18.1.
My printer/scanner may or may not work. My anti-virus is no good on Linux so I'll have to get another. I'm told I can't even operate Adobe Reader in Linux. I've lost the plot.
My PC's predate Secure Boot, so the certificate expiration on June 24th should not affect me. Others with Secure Boot on but cannot get a firmware update from the manufacturer may find their PC's won't boot after June 24th. Best do a backup without a program too.
The EXODUS: Windows Secure Boot Kills Linux on June 24th! - Linux Threat - June 9, 2026
Dual Boot Linux/Windows PC's may not boot after June 24th, 2026. Looks like a Y2K crisis happening that day or thereabouts.
Good thing I delayed doing anything to my machines, because the news is just getting worse for Linux.
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanComp this guy!
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I still want to see someone make every possible bet on the roulette layout.
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Try on a Sic Bo table. It can get interesting. Unlike roulette, some numbers pay much better, and some can be a disaster.
Quote: ChumpChangeRunning Linux in Windows: Learn Linux in a Virtual Machine
Windows 10 expires in 4 months again and my PC's may be too old to illegally upgrade to Windows 11. I may have to opt for this conversion and turn off my Windows internet. I know not much about Linux but I might go with the Zorin OS 18.1.
My printer/scanner may or may not work. My anti-virus is no good on Linux so I'll have to get another. I'm told I can't even operate Adobe Reader in Linux. I've lost the plot.
My PC's predate Secure Boot, so the certificate expiration on June 24th should not affect me. Others with Secure Boot on but cannot get a firmware update from the manufacturer may find their PC's won't boot after June 24th. Best do a backup without a program too.
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Assume that there are alternate software programs. You can view and print PDF's, the program will just be called something else.
I ran Linux (almost) exclusively from around 1993 to 2015; there really wasn't much I felt I couldn't do. (From 2015 to present, I haven't felt much need for anything beyond an Android phone. I bust out a Chromebook every other month or so for some minor tasks.)
Quote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeKind of hard to count the chips array unless I get a bigger monitor. It looks like 25 chips times 6 = 150 chips, plus 3 on the end for 153 chips plus a couple more on the extra numbers. 155 chips X $5 is $775.
So what does that win you with the 31 hitting? I'm flunking this kind of math today.
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This is one of those bets where you lose when your number hits.
This looks like evenly valued bets everywhere, including straights, corners, splits, and streets. You can assume that the chips touching the 0 and 00 are lost, and the rest of the chips are pushed back to you.
If you cover this much of the board, you cannot win more than you bet.
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Were I to find a machine game on the floor that paid me back even steven every time, I'd run up my player's club points.
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If you cover this much of the board, you cannot win more than you bet.
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That is why my comment "get him a player's card!"
Every bet loses the same no matter what all you cover. But a goof like this gets more people to play as they watch.
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If you cover this much of the board, you cannot win more than you bet.
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That is why my comment "get him a player's card!"
Every bet loses the same no matter what all you cover. But a goof like this gets more people to play as they watch.
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Well.. the basket bet is worse, but that's a minor oversight.
I believe that letting this sort of play go on more than one or two spins (for the novelty) constitutes irresponsibility.
Most of the electronic roulette games I've seen don't allow this sort of coverage.
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If you cover this much of the board, you cannot win more than you bet.
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That is why my comment "get him a player's card!"
Every bet loses the same no matter what all you cover. But a goof like this gets more people to play as they watch.
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Well.. the basket bet is worse, but that's a minor oversight.
I believe that letting this sort of play go on more than one or two spins (for the novelty) constitutes irresponsibility.
Most of the electronic roulette games I've seen don't allow this sort of coverage.
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15 years ago my wife would routinely get $50 in the mail in slot play because she lost so much and I would take the $50 ticket and play the electronic roulette machine and bet red and black until I got the $50 and then cash off the ticket. Sometimes I got a zero on one or two of the plays but mostly not. Needless to say they don't do that anymore But I was a hero to my wife.
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If you cover this much of the board, you cannot win more than you bet.
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That is why my comment "get him a player's card!"
Every bet loses the same no matter what all you cover. But a goof like this gets more people to play as they watch.
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Well.. the basket bet is worse, but that's a minor oversight.
I believe that letting this sort of play go on more than one or two spins (for the novelty) constitutes irresponsibility.
Most of the electronic roulette games I've seen don't allow this sort of coverage.
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15 years ago my wife would routinely get $50 in the mail in slot play because she lost so much and I would take the $50 ticket and play the electronic roulette machine and bet red and black until I got the $50 and then cash off the ticket. Sometimes I got a zero on one or two of the plays but mostly not. Needless to say they don't do that anymore But I was a hero to my wife.
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I always had much better results on good video blackjack. A bad redemption might only get 88% of face value; a good run might go 140%.
In any case, I don't seem to get freeplay offers anymore. ;)
The video is not political, it discusses Trump because Trump has been in the last 3 elections.
Quote: AZDuffmanDISCLAIMER: This guy is right of center but this video really is not. It is a pretty good presentation on why political polls are so often off more and more. Listening to him makes me think classic polling may be broken forever for both sides and prediction markets are the best we have for the moment until something better comes along.
The video is not political, it discusses Trump because Trump has been in the last 3 elections.
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The obvious problem with election polls is that they can only be held accountable for the accuracy of the last one they took before the election. The ones they took a month or several months before can be dismissed with- "Well golly gee whiz, I guess the political tides had changed... and you can't prove otherwise nyah nyah nyah!" This makes them more like horse touts at a track, where there is no way to tell if what they are claiming has any validity or not until the race is run and they're a block down the street.
So they can use those earlier polls to puff up a candidate, help their fundraising, get them endorsements and hangers-on just like he hinted at in the video. And conversely they can use them to deprecate some other candidate socially. We saw that in the video too- Ann Coulter is asked which declared candidate she thinks is most likely to win, she names a candidate (who did win the election) and the audience bursts into laughter. That was not unplanned. People, especially young people, especially young females, have not much to rely on except people liking them, and the thought of being ridiculed and socially rejected is a terrifying thought to them, so bad many have chosen suicide rather than endure it, and when they saw Ann being laughed at like that many decided that they would never admit to supporting or having any affinity at all for that candidate because of their fear of being treated the same way. A very bad way to act or think, but it works, and that's why it is done. And a positive poll report for such a candidate reverses a lot of that.
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The obvious problem with election polls is that they can only be held accountable for the accuracy of the last one they took before the election. The ones they took a month or several months before can be dismissed with- "Well golly gee whiz, I guess the political tides had changed... and you can't prove otherwise nyah nyah nyah!" This makes them more like horse touts at a track, where there is no way to tell if what they are claiming has any validity or not until the race is run and they're a block down the street.
I disagree there. You cannot be polling one way for months then do a total 180 and go the other way unless there is some kind of crazy event. In 1988 they did switch position over the election but it was slow and measured. And you could tie the change to the campaigns and events. But they did not just magically switch from saying "Bush will lose by a landslide" to "Bush will win by a landslide" at the last minute.
Quote: AZDuffmanDISCLAIMER: This guy is right of center but this video really is not. It is a pretty good presentation on why political polls are so often off more and more. Listening to him makes me think classic polling may be broken forever for both sides and prediction markets are the best we have for the moment until something better comes along.
No. He is statistically ignorant, and a shill for prediction companies (that's a sponsored segment which you didn't mention).
National poll errors across 2016, 2020, and 2024 were roughly 1-2 points, 3.5 points, and 2-3 points respectively on the margin — all within or very close to 1 SD, none statistically remarkable on their own, and nothing here requires invoking herding, shy voters, or systemic bias to explain..
As for the prediction markets: there isn't any statistically significant evidence they outperform pollsters. They haven't existed long enough for that to be the case. Betting markets around the world have existed where you can bet on elections in a variety of ways and they don't outperform polls-indeed they are usually informed by them. When they disagree with pollsters, as with Obama/Romney where fortunes were bet on Romney after it was mathematically impossible for Romney to win, they are often completely irrational.
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The obvious problem with election polls is that they can only be held accountable for the accuracy of the last one they took before the election. The ones they took a month or several months before can be dismissed with- "Well golly gee whiz, I guess the political tides had changed... and you can't prove otherwise nyah nyah nyah!" This makes them more like horse touts at a track, where there is no way to tell if what they are claiming has any validity or not until the race is run and they're a block down the street.
I disagree there. You cannot be polling one way for months then do a total 180 and go the other way unless there is some kind of crazy event. In 1988 they did switch position over the election but it was slow and measured. And you could tie the change to the campaigns and events. But they did not just magically switch from saying "Bush will lose by a landslide" to "Bush will win by a landslide" at the last minute.
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Oh no, I don't mean the last minute. It is a gradual change, that usually begins a month to a couple of weeks before the election- after the fundraising is done, the volunteers are recruited, the endorsements are agreed to, the battle lines are already drawn, then the polling companies start easing back to reality so they have plausible deniability when the election is over. In adversarial affairs such as politics I don't believe in coincidences, and it is important to maintain the distinction between "something is happening" and "somebody is doing that." The differences between early polling and actual results almost always seem to benefit the same side, just like late ballots, questionable ballots, mysteriously-appeared ballots, irregularly-cast ballots all seem to benefit the same side. It would take quite a patsy to believe that is all just a coincidence.
Got to consider how these polling companies make their money. One way is through private polls, for candidates and parties, and those are real. That's how parties know which races to pour assets into and which ones not to waste any on, and how candidates know where to campaign and what to campaign on. We never see those.
Then you have the ones that they charge large corporate media outlets for, and if we're calling spades spades here, those outlets might as well be newsletters for one particular political party. They are not going to provide polls that act contrary to the narratives promoted by those media outlets and sabotage the work they do
Quote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
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Invest? use the free version I see no ads.
Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
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I have an ad blocker I never actually see the ads. It just bothers me that there are so many videos that should be 8 minutes long but they're 15 minutes long because they're trying to get the ad revenue So they stuff the video full of crap that nobody wants to hear just to take up the time. And they constantly say you won't believe what happens at the end or stick around to the end you'll be surprised. No you won't They just want the ad money and you have to watch it all the way to the end for them to get it.
Quote: rainmanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
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Invest? use the free version I see no ads.
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Which free adblocker do you use? I have not found one that works well. The ones I have tried seem to usually start the ad and then realize it is an ad, then block it. I don't want to watch one or two seconds of an ad.
The Chrome 150 push, scheduled for 30 June 2026, will remove certain old remnants of the software that most ad blockers rely on.
Because Chrome also pushes the software core into Chromium, and most other web browsers run on Chromium, you can expect that this will probably affect you.
https://9to5google.com/2026/06/15/google-chromes-next-update-will-mark-the-end-of-popular-ad-blockers/
Meta is down, 5pm ET. It recovered after a couple of hours.
Quote: DRichQuote: rainmanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
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Invest? use the free version I see no ads.
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Which free adblocker do you use? I have not found one that works well. The ones I have tried seem to usually start the ad and then realize it is an ad, then block it. I don't want to watch one or two seconds of an ad.
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I use Brave privacy Browser has built in ad blocker give it a try if not just for youtube. My money says you will quickly make it your go to browser.
Quote: rainmanQuote: DRichQuote: rainmanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
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Invest? use the free version I see no ads.
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Which free adblocker do you use? I have not found one that works well. The ones I have tried seem to usually start the ad and then realize it is an ad, then block it. I don't want to watch one or two seconds of an ad.
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Yes I use that too. It's all open source and there's no way the Brave guys are going to let Google disable their ad blockers.
I use Brave privacy Browser has built in ad blocker give it a try if not just for youtube. My money says you will quickly make it your go to browser.
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Quote: rainmanQuote: DRichQuote: rainmanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobYou can't help but notice that so many Youtube videos are 15 or 16 minutes long. This is no accident Turns out that's the sweet spot for advertising revenue. In 15 or 16 minutes you can usually get two to three ads in via the algorithm. This is why so many videos are just people blathering on eating up space to get to the 15 minutes. What I do 90% of the time is speed it up To 125 percent or even 150 percent depending how fast they're talking to begin with.. I obviously don't do this with entertainment videos most of what I watch is news and instructional.
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With as many videos as you say you watch, why not invest in an adblocker?
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Invest? use the free version I see no ads.
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Which free adblocker do you use? I have not found one that works well. The ones I have tried seem to usually start the ad and then realize it is an ad, then block it. I don't want to watch one or two seconds of an ad.
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I use Brave privacy Browser has built in ad blocker give it a try if not just for youtube. My money says you will quickly make it your go to browser.
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Thank you, I am not familiar with Brave but will look into it.
Quote: billryanI asked my nephew to recommend an ad blocker, and he gave me the impression that they don't work well on YouTube because they switch something around to bypass them.
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Well, it's not as bad as cable TV where you pay a significant amount of money for cable and a STILL get plenty of ads on most of the channels.
“Give me 15 minutes…”
“This one trick…”
“What (fill in blank) won’t tell you…”
“I was doing the wrong thing (fill in blank) for 10 years, but I will tell you my mistake.”
“Become an expert/…”
“I made a gagillion dollars in one month, and I’ll show you how.”
“Everyone was wrong on this, but here’s the truth”
Many I’ve missed probably.
Oh yeah, “The government doesn’t want you to know…!!!!!
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Many I’ve missed probably.
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