2020 Election
Quote: SOOPOO
By the way, every time I was raped I remember what year it was......
Kavanaugh's denial reminded me a lot of R Kelly's denial. Crybaby theatrics.
Whereas Trump is just a pathological liar who would tell you he wasn't boinking some guy's girlfriend even while pulling his penis out of her.
You probably think Christine Blasi Ford was telling the truth as well.Quote: ams288I don’t think she sounds nuts at all.
I have the tendency to believe the accounts of women who have little to gain and lots to lose over a man who’s lies are literally measured in the thousands.
Do you think Bill raped as well?
Quote: AxelWolfDo you think Bill raped as well?
It’s definitely possible.
But I agree with George Conway, Donald’s new accuser is more credible than Juanita Broaddrick.
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/09/remember-that-time-brett-kavanaugh-said-polygraphs-are-important-in-making-hiring-decisions/
Quote: rxwineKavanaugh once ruled polygraph tests were meaningful to screen applicants for law enforcement. Blasey Ford took one and passed. Kavanaugh, applying for one of the most important jobs in the US didn't. So what was good for other people trying to get a job was not good enough for him.
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/09/remember-that-time-brett-kavanaugh-said-polygraphs-are-important-in-making-hiring-decisions/
How could she fail? Most of her answers were vague at best.
Quote: AZDuffmanHow could she fail? Most of her answers were vague at best.
As far as I know she took a standard polygraph test and passed.
They give you a bunch questions which are known to be true to get a baseline, and then throw in the relevant questions somewhere in there.
I've taken one. I don't know what's vague about is any part of is your statement false, or did you make up any part of your statement. They probably had her read all or part of her statement as they proceeded to ask her questions about it.
And also people fail these "vague" polygraph tests so there's that.
And what about his other accusers?Quote: ams288It’s definitely possible.
But I agree with George Conway, Donald’s new accuser is more credible than Juanita Broaddrick.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd what about his other accusers?
Which ones are you referring to?
Quote: SOOPOOSo were you happy or sad that Bill Clinton was president? I'm trying to ascertain your priorities....
Voted for Clinton in 92. Couldn't do it again in 96. Reluctantly went with Perot. I was a Rockefeller Republican until Al DaMato and Patatki said there was no room for us in their party. Is it a coincidence that formerly Republican Long Island is now solidly Democratic and the Republicans keep running horrible statewide candidates. Rick Lazio, the supermarket guy from Buffalo, the supermarket guy from NYC, failed county executives.
Quote: MaxPen
PERFECT!!!!!!
That book should be published and made required reading in every grade from K thru 12.
The little rats will then understand why they don't get a trophy for just showing up.
They will understand that life is about winning......not taking.
MAGA
Quote: billryanVoted for Clinton in 92. Couldn't do it again in 96. Reluctantly went with Perot. I was a Rockefeller Republican until Al DaMato and Patatki said there was no room for us in their party. Is it a coincidence that formerly Republican Long Island is now solidly Democratic and the Republicans keep running horrible statewide candidates. Rick Lazio, the supermarket guy from Buffalo, the supermarket guy from NYC, failed county executives.
I got to meet and have a long chat with the failed Republican candidate for US Senate against Gillibrand. I frankly asked her why she was doing this, in our solidly Democrat state. She gave me an answer that I knew was false; that if people really knew Gillibrand's record (zero bills in her 10+ years in house and senate) they would vote for her, not Gillibrand. I politely expressed skepticism, and we moved on to talking about other political issues. My point is ANY Republican in 2020 has zippo chance against ANY Democrat in a statewide election. I think you are referring to Carl Paladino as they guy from Buffalo who ran for Governor. Can't disagree that he had zero chance anywhere outside of the "I must vote Republican no matter what" districts.
I dont know. I thought there were 3 or 4 women accusing him of stuff. I didn't pay much attention to all that when it was going on. From what I can remember I thought he was a horn-dog, but not a rapist. What do you expect since his dyke of a wife wouldn't give it up.Quote: ams288Which ones are you referring to?
Anyways, I like Bill Clinton.
Quote: SOOPOOI got to meet and have a long chat with the failed Republican candidate for US Senate against Gillibrand. I frankly asked her why she was doing this, in our solidly Democrat state. She gave me an answer that I knew was false; that if people really knew Gillibrand's record (zero bills in her 10+ years in house and senate) they would vote for her, not Gillibrand. I politely expressed skepticism, and we moved on to talking about other political issues. My point is ANY Republican in 2020 has zippo chance against ANY Democrat in a statewide election. I think you are referring to Carl Paladino as they guy from Buffalo who ran for Governor. Can't disagree that he had zero chance anywhere outside of the "I must vote Republican no matter what" districts.
NY will not change until they experience extreme pain and decide a change is needed. Hard to say how extreme it will have to be as too many Democrats just vote Democrat no matter how bad things are. NYC got to that point when they put Rudy in. What you have now is nobody with any smarts will go into NYS politics as part of the GOP. Either they go Dem or avoid politics and do something useful with their lives.
IMHO what the GOP needs to do to break these strongholds is get people who are not down with the liberal agenda social with one another. Meetup.com kind of things. Get the "you are not alone" message out. It will take a generation, maybe two. Thus they will not bother. Other chance is Hispanics break from the Democrats for pushing their Soddom and Gomorah social agenda down everyone's throats.
I'll be dead by the next generation, so I no longer care to bother being "part of it." Rather just build my own security for the coming struggle. Get better at poker.
Imagine such an attitude on a jury you're sitting on or even facing.Quote: ams288I have the tendency to believe the accounts of women who have little to gain and lots to lose over a man who’s lies are literally measured in the thousands.
Throwing away the Anglo-American system of justice and jurisprudence of being presumed not guilty for a third-world style of society. Who would have thunk it?
Quote: SanchoPanzaImagine such an attitude on a jury you're sitting on or even facing.
Throwing away the Anglo-American system of justice and jurisprudence of being presumed not guilty for a third-world style of society. Who would have thunk it?
Re: Attitude. Trump should expect the same just treatment he gave the Central Park Five.
But then, in their case the evidence exonerated them. In his, there are photos, tapes, eyewitnesses, documents, and contemporaneous reports, including his own.
How you continue to defend him and deflect from his flaws is just beyond me.
Quote: SanchoPanzaImagine such an attitude on a jury you're sitting on or even facing.
Throwing away the Anglo-American system of justice and jurisprudence of being presumed not guilty for a third-world style of society. Who would have thunk it?
There is a standard for justice but it is not the only one. For purposes of law, OJ Simpson wasn't found guilty of a double murder. And whatever legal benefits he got from that he is certainly entitled to that. Doesn't mean anyone has to personally think he wasn't guilty or treat him personally like the football idol he once was.
For "purposes of law," Simpson was found culpable in the civil case. The basic reason he wasn't found guilty in the criminal trial is directly attributable to an abjectly incompetent prosecution that was unprepared for events like the glove, as well as a grossly unqualified judge. But what else can anyone expect from the California legal system?Quote: rxwineThere is a standard for justice but it is not the only one. For purposes of law, OJ Simpson wasn't found guilty of a double murder. And whatever legal benefits he got from that he is certainly entitled to that. Doesn't mean anyone has to personally think he wasn't guilty or treat him personally like the football idol he once was.
Trump was not sitting on the jury or in any legal capacity. That fell to the top feminist prosecutor in the U.S., Linda Fairstein. How the New York County District Attorney allowed the interrogation of underage youths without parents or legal counsel has never been answered.Quote: beachbumbabsRe: Attitude. Trump should expect the same just treatment he gave the Central Park Five. But then, in their case the evidence exonerated them. In his, there are photos, tapes, eyewitnesses, documents, and contemporaneous reports, including his own. How you continue to defend him and deflect from his flaws is just beyond me.
Quote: billryanNY 's Republican party went in a single generation from that of the Rockefeller wing to that of Trump and Ghooliani. No wonder they can't get anyone elected to statewide office.
In other words, from Democrat Party Lite to Republican?
Quote: SanchoPanzaTrump was not sitting on the jury or in any legal capacity. That fell to the top feminist prosecutor in the U.S., Linda Fairstein. How the New York County District Attorney allowed the interrogation of underage youths without parents or legal counsel has never been answered.
He could at least apologize instead of being an ass about it. But that would go against the playbook of never admitting to anything.
It is no accident that two of the most screwed-up cases of the 20th century were cited in this sub-thread. Both cases are prime examples of unthinking and venal pre-judgements on the parts of the biased and inept prosecutors, just the problem brought to light right here.Quote: SteverinosHe could at least apologize instead of being an ass about it. But that would go against the playbook of never admitting to anything.
As for apologies, how come no one is asking for any such thing from the desperate and uncloaked officials or aren't they to be held responsible for their miscarriages of justice?
Quote: SanchoPanzaIt is no accident that two of the most screwed-up cases of the 20th century were cited in this sub-thread. Both cases are prime examples of unthinking and venal pre-judgements on the parts of the biased and inept prosecutors, just the problem brought to light right here.
As for apologies, how come no one is asking for any such thing from the desperate and uncloaked officials or aren't they to be held responsible for their miscarriages of justice?
The city gave them 41 mil. Trump can’t even issue an apology. Do the math.
It’s like he wakes up everyday and asks what would a douche say or how would a piece of crap react? He had an opportunity the other day when April Ryan asked if he would apologize and he STILL implies their guilty, science and DNA to be damned.
Hmm, seeing a pattern.
The real math -- not de Blasio's --is Fairstein's doubling down over the Netflix series.Quote: SteverinosThe city gave them 41 mil. Trump can’t even issue an apology. Do the math.
The lack of even a simple response about the prosecutors amounts to nothing more than blatant display of pathetically unvarnished bias.Quote:It’s like he wakes up everyday and asks what would a douche say or how would a piece of crap react? He had an opportunity the other day when April Ryan asked if he would apologize and he STILL implies their guilty, science and DNA to be damned.
Hmm, seeing a pattern.
Quote: SOOPOOI got to meet and have a long chat with the failed Republican candidate for US Senate against Gillibrand. I frankly asked her why she was doing this, in our solidly Democrat state. She gave me an answer that I knew was false; that if people really knew Gillibrand's record (zero bills in her 10+ years in house and senate) they would vote for her, not Gillibrand. I politely expressed skepticism, and we moved on to talking about other political issues. My point is ANY Republican in 2020 has zippo chance against ANY Democrat in a statewide election. I think you are referring to Carl Paladino as they guy from Buffalo who ran for Governor. Can't disagree that he had zero chance anywhere outside of the "I must vote Republican no matter what" districts.
This is exactly why Americans that understand the risk the current Dem candidates and their party present to the country need to move to contested states.
A conservative in NY needs to move to PA or Ohio and so forth across the country. I get it’s not always easy but don’t bitch if you stay in NY or CA with conservative beliefs.
Job creation and movement of people should be the goal of GOP efforts moving forward. While the potential of fraud is there, previous voter registration is a good barometer and is not a protected class when it comes to hiring. And it’s hard to find a better use of fundraising dollars.
The party that best finds a way to move people to benefit their party could make the difference in how this country ends up after most of us are gone.
I still believe most people want to earn what they have in life. But when you are going against candidates who think Americans are lazy POS who need handouts and are jealous of each other, maybe it’s time for the GOP to ride the wave.
Overpaying jobs in Florida, Ohio, PA, Nevada and Wisconsin would give the GOP control on the White House for generations with selective hiring and movement of assets.
Quote: BozThe party that best finds a way to move people to benefit their party could make the difference in how this country ends up after most of us are gone.
Lots of people are more or less locked in geographically. They got a kid in school who they want to let finish out. No jobs for what they are trained in. Pay concerns. They don't want to move too far from extended family. Divorce/kid issues on where the ex lives. Can't convince the spouse to move.
That does not seem to be slowing down the accelerating pace of those fleeing:Quote: rxwineLots of people are more or less locked in geographically. They got a kid in school who they want to let finish out. No jobs for what they are trained in. Pay concerns. They don't want to move too far from extended family. Divorce/kid issues on where the ex lives. Can't convince the spouse to move.
"More people are leaving the New York region than any other major metropolitan area in the country. More than 1 million people moved out of the New York area to other parts of the country since 2010, a rate of 4.4 percent — the highest negative net migration rate among the nation’s large population centers, US Census records show.
"The number of people leaving the region — which includes parts of New Jersey, Connecticut, the lower Hudson Valley and Long Island — in one year swelled from 187,034 in 2015 to 223,423 in 2016, while the number of international immigrants settling in the tristate area dwindled from 181,551 to 160,324 over the same period, records show.
"The nation’s economy is improving, there are more jobs in cheaper places to live, and retirees are choosing to move to warmer climates, experts say. “The historical trend is that out-migration grows when the economy is getting better,” said Empire Center for Public Policy research director E.J. McMahon." nypost
Quote: rxwineNot sure what the numbers are, but even people who occupy the city are often commuting in and don't live there, even when they did live there.
From the posted excerpt:
"The number of people leaving the region — which includes parts of New Jersey, Connecticut, the lower Hudson Valley and Long Island — in one year swelled from 187,034 in 2015 to 223,423 in 2016.”
In other words, basically the 14-counties covered by the Port Authority with the Metro-North area of Connecticut added on.
While we're here, let me take advantage of re-posting the citation that was bollixed up for lack of a close bracket. https://nypost.com/2017/04/01/people-are-fleeing-new-york-at-an-alarming-rate/
Sanders to propose canceling entire $1.6 trillion in US student loan debt
At the rate this is going, by the time IA rolls around they will be saying we need to give everyone a house and free car. Has the Democrat Party gone totally nuts? Or are they just trying to get votes?
FOOLPROOF PLAN TO SOLVE STUDENT DEBT
1. Gather all the paperwork and find the total amount you owe.
2. Pay it back out of your earnings.
Reality is average student debt is about that of a new car. A person should be able to pay this back in 6-10 years.
This is Michael Smerconish interviewing Detective Reynolds:
"There was no DNA of CP5 in the jogger, because every one of them admitted on tape, they could not perform."- Det. Reynolds.
This is Smerconish responding to Tweets he received after interviewing Reynolds.
These are the taped confessions they fought to keep from being seen. With the exception of 16 year old Korey Wise, who did not require a parent or guardian present, all of the other interviews were conducted with at least one parent present:
The Lopez interview below, begins at 00:30
Quote: TankoAnother Netflix crock of dreck.
Please forgive those of us who don't have the time or patience to watch those six(!!!) YouTube videos.
Could you provide an executive summary of your post? Are you saying you think they're guilty or something?
Quote: AZDuffman
Sanders to propose canceling entire $1.6 trillion in US student loan debt
At the rate this is going, by the time IA rolls around they will be saying we need to give everyone a house and free car. Has the Democrat Party gone totally nuts? Or are they just trying to get votes?
FOOLPROOF PLAN TO SOLVE STUDENT DEBT
1. Gather all the paperwork and find the total amount you owe.
2. Pay it back out of your earnings.
Reality is average student debt is about that of a new car. A person should be able to pay this back in 6-10 years.
We have Beto here in Tampa today promising a free home for every homeless vet. Nobel idea but again more giveaways.
Just another example of libs doing any they can to stay in power.
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/
Hopefully Jen is fired today but I’m sure she won’t.
Thankfully we have Project Veritas to expose human waste like Jen.
Quote: BozThe libs never give this guy credibility and use it to discredit the info.
Just another example of libs doing any they can to stay in power.
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/
Hopefully Jen is fired today but I’m sure she won’t.
Thankfully we have Project Veritas to expose human waste like Jen.
You go Jen!
I wish them all the luck in preventing the next “Trump situation.”
As Bernie Sanders would say, there is nothing quite like fixing an election through crookedness.Quote: ams288You go Jen!
I wish them all the luck in preventing the next “Trump situation.”
Quote: SanchoPanzaAs Bernie Sanders would say, there is nothing quite like fixing an election through crookedness.
Keep clutching those pearls.
You righties just prefer when hostile foreign powers do it.
Quote: SanchoPanzaFrom the posted excerpt:
"The number of people leaving the region — which includes parts of New Jersey, Connecticut, the lower Hudson Valley and Long Island — in one year swelled from 187,034 in 2015 to 223,423 in 2016.”
In other words, basically the 14-counties covered by the Port Authority with the Metro-North area of Connecticut added on.
While we're here, let me take advantage of re-posting the citation that was bollixed up for lack of a close bracket. https://nypost.com/2017/04/01/people-are-fleeing-new-york-at-an-alarming-rate/
What about the bazzilion illegals who moved in?
The city is economically doing better than after hurricane sandy and of course 9-11. Prosperity means people should be able to afford more so landlords take advantage and raise prices. Business does too.
Just because people are doing well economically does not mean they wish to be price gouged.
However Republicans shouting about it seems strange to me. Almost certainly this is bad for Republican States if the dem community is moving to your part of town. I am quite certain NYers moving are not saying its so their Republican votes can count.
They are not doing it so their Democratic votes count either but that will almost certainly be an ancillary result of their migration into lower economic (cheaper rent) Republican territories
Quote: darkozIf people are leaving new york city its primarily due to high rents and prices.
The city is economically doing better than after hurricane sandy and of course 9-11. Prosperity means people should be able to afford more so landlords take advantage and raise prices. Business does too.
Just because people are doing well economically does not mean they wish to be price gouged.
However Republicans shouting about it seems strange to me. Almost certainly this is bad for Republican States if the dem community is moving to your part of town. I am quite certain NYers moving are not saying its so their Republican votes can count.
They are not doing it so their Democratic votes count either but that will almost certainly be an ancillary result of their migration into lower economic (cheaper rent) Republican territories
They are not moving out because of politics. They are moving because it is becoming an unaffordable hell hole to live in.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey are not moving out because of politics. They are moving because it is becoming an unaffordable hell hole to live in.
Yes, the horrible crime rate, the lack of good jobs, its simply hell on earth. Do yourself a favor and stay away. Nobody wants to live there any more. It's just too crowded. I left because I could rent out my apartment for $3,000 a month and live nicely someplace else for said $36,000 a year. Seeing how I paid $22,000 for it in the 90s, I'd say NY has been berry berry good to me.
Quote: billryanYes, the horrible crime rate, the lack of good jobs, its simply hell on earth. Do yourself a favor and stay away. Nobody wants to live there any more. It's just too crowded. I left because I could rent out my apartment for $3,000 a month and live nicely someplace else for said $36,000 a year. Seeing how I paid $22,000 for it in the 90s, I'd say NY has been berry berry good to me.
Even in hell holes some people prosper. $3,000 a month will give you a place many times the size in 90% of the rest of the USA. Thing is, most in NYC think that place is normal.
Quote: BozA conservative in NY needs to move to PA or Ohio and so forth across the country. I get it’s not always easy but don’t bitch if you stay in NY or CA with conservative beliefs.
So if I engender a HOA in your neighborhood and slip my way into the presidency, you'd leave if you didn't like my rule?
This is my home. They can say what they want behind their podium and self important titles. I'm still doing and possessing exactly what I want, when I want. They made their statement, I made mine. Let's see who wants it more.
"Run away" lol.
Quote: AZDuffmanEven in hell holes some people prosper. $3,000 a month will give you a place many times the size in 90% of the rest of the USA. Thing is, most in NYC think that place is normal.
Those are cheap rents compared to San Francisco. Don’t see anyone looking to a place where people sh$t outside a restaurant you are eating at.
Quote: FaceSo if I engender a HOA in your neighborhood and slip my way into the presidency, you'd leave if you didn't like my rule?
This is my home. They can say what they want behind their podium and self important titles. I'm still doing and possessing exactly what I want, when I want. They made their statement, I made mine. Let's see who wants it more.
"Run away" lol.
Not running, strategically making decisions that are best for me personally. Hard to argue with moving to states where your vote matters and have no State Income Tax and it’s easy to own guns as a citizen.
We all make our choices in life on what matters to us.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey are not moving out because of politics. They are moving because it is becoming an unaffordable hell hole to live in.
Thats what I said!
They are moving out due to economic reasons not political reasons.
But where do you think they are moving to?
Your neck of the woods and they are taking their political views with them
So again an exodus from nyc isnt something i would expect righties to be exuberant about
Any place you cant find a sandwich shop open at 2am.
Any place you are stranded worse than being in the desert of Iraq unless you own a car (which can still strand you when it breaks down on the highway)
That makes NYC heaven to me
Busses busses busses an absolute necessity
