2020 Election
Quote: JohnnyQHey TG:
I wrote a poem. For better or worse, I sent it to the WH and to my Senator's office:
Humpty trumpy is a dumb duck;
As "president" he truly did suck;
And all his party's Congressman just sat around;
While trumpy drove the country into the ground.
Do you know if the Poet Laureate position is still open, and how much does it pay ?
10-9-8-7-6..... waiting for EB's eloquent response.
Humpty Trumpy is really cool.
Taking Democrats too school.
Congressmen are nothing but cucks.
Trump cutting off illegal's bucks.
Quote: billryanI thought the new tax law was supposed to cut tax loopholes but Amazon just announced it has zero Federal tax liabilities for the year in spite of recording eleven billion dollars in profit.
Only us little people pay taxes. And some of us look for the free ride.
Quote: billryanI thought the new tax law was supposed to cut tax loopholes but Amazon just announced it has zero Federal tax liabilities for the year in spite of recording eleven billion dollars in profit.
All these articles were clickbait junk.
They recorded a net loss, and thus paid no income tax, just like your business would in the same situation.
Humpty Trumpy is really cool;
Oh for sure he ain't nobody's fool.
He's for tax cuts for all of his friends;
In his mind, the means justifies the ends.
Not exactly a deep thinker, boy that's crystal clear;
He'll grab 'em by the p***y whenever they are near.
His friend Mitch McConnell will kiss his fat a$$,
Down in Kentucky, they consider that "class".
And on and on and on.....
What rhymes with PUTIN ?
Or how 'bout COLLUSION ?
Quote: gamerfreakAll these articles were clickbait junk.
They recorded a net loss, and thus paid no income tax, just like your business would in the same situation.
They reported eleven billion in profits.
Lock her up, Lock HIM up, whatever.
Quote: billryanThey reported eleven billion in profits.
Bezos takes all the corporate profits
every year and expands the business.
He's always done this, they laughed
at him 20 years ago. Who's laughing
now. Bezos is worth billions, on paper.
It's all tied up in the corporation,
like it is with all billionaires.
Quote: billryanI thought the new tax law was supposed to cut tax loopholes but Amazon just announced it has zero Federal tax liabilities for the year in spite of recording eleven billion dollars in profit.
It's called "carry forward/carry back." Basically all those losses in the early years get counted against current income. It is meant to protect companies in cyclical industries. Nothing wrong with it.
Quote: terapinedThe surprise is that he waited 2 years, when he lost power, to demand the wall. He could have pushed this through 2 years ago. If it was such an emergency, why wait 2 years???????
And I agree with you too. It cannot be termed an emergency by any reasonable standard. Just like any climate change rule change should be thoughtfully debated. As should any gun ownership law change. Or change to replay review in the NFL, unless you live in New Orleans.
An emergency is what happened during 9/11.
An emergency was Katrina.
Quote: billryanI thought the new tax law was supposed to cut tax loopholes but Amazon just announced it has zero Federal tax liabilities for the year in spite of recording eleven billion dollars in profit.
Frankly I was surprised any corporations paid tax to the Federal government directly. The last share of Amazon sold for around $1600. If the guy who sold it bought it 5 years ago at $300, for each share he will pay capital gains taxes on $1300 per share.
AMZN has followed the Warren Buffet plan, and does not pay dividends. Most large companies do pay dividends, and that distribution of profits is taxed by both Federal and State governments.
The implication that the government does not collect taxes due to the success of big companies is just plain wrong. Of course everyone wants everyone else to pay more, just not themselves.....
So you want a company like Intel to pay taxes, then distribute something less to its owners, who then pay taxes, and then if the owner sell shares at a profit he pays more taxes. Then if he dies the government taxes what he wants to give to his heirs.
Quote: SOOPOOAnd I agree with you too.
Never would have passed, that's why
it wasn't attempted. In the first year
everybody bought the phony crap
CNN/MS was spewing and they
blocked Trump in congress thinking
he would be gone soon. A huge
number of Repub congressmen
chose not to run in 2018 during
this period because they thought
they would lose because of Trump.
Nobody knew Trump would bring
the economy roaring back and have
so much brilliant success. The list
of what he got done in the first
2 years is astounding.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/breaking-nigerian-bros-purchased-the-rope-found-around-jussie-smolletts-neck-from-ace-hardware-smollett-may-have-paid-them-to-perform-scheme/
Quote: EvenBobA huge number of Repub congressmen chose not to run in 2018 during this period because they thought they would lose because of Trump.
I’ll give Trump credit on this one. Fulfilling his promise to Drain the Swamp by replacing Republicans in Washington with Democrats. That way he can have others to blame instead of taking responsibility for letting our border become an emergency. And blaming others instead of taking responsibility is what Trump supporters believe what it means to Make America Great Again
Quote: TomGI’ll give Trump credit on this one. Fulfilling his promise to Drain the Swamp by replacing Republicans in Washington with Democrats. That way he can have others to blame instead of taking responsibility for letting our border become an emergency. And blaming others instead of taking responsibility is what Trump supporters believe what it means to Make America Great Again
Seems from here he did take responsibility and acted like a man and did something about it. Refreshing.
Quote: AZDuffmanSeems from here he did take responsibility and acted like a man and did something about it. Refreshing.
Turn the border into a national emergency just so he can spend money and take credit for fixing it. Easily the most liberal president in history and easy to see why the liberals love him so much
Quote: TomGTurn the border into a national emergency just so he can spend money
So he should have just kept waiting
forever for Pelosi to make a deal
while thousands cross illegally
every day? Enough with the waiting
already, America is sick of it..
Quote: terapinedWhy wasn't this an emergency 2 years ago???????????????
Why was it a crisis when Obama
was president, he called it a
'national crisis' many times.
It was an emergency 2 years ago,
Trump ran on building the wall.
Which is being built as we speak
and will continue being built for
the next 2 years.
PrioritiesQuote: terapinedWhy wasn't this an emergency 2 years ago???????????????
Quote: NathanOver/Under bet(No actual money wagering, ;) that this thread becomes more popular by February than Trump's Second And Third Year Thread? ;)
I had meant February 2020 not February 2019. I just realized the confusion literally one minute ago. ;)
her killing the Amazon deal. Here's 7 minutes
on MSNBC of them just thrashing her and what
she did. They're right on, she just gave Trump
a huge talking point.
Look at the left, Trump will say, they hate jobs,
they're job killers. This is the new face all of the
Democratic Party. Other Dems are terrified of her,
she has 3 million rabid Twitter followers and if
they oppose her it hurts them. She's tearing the
party in half and you know it's true when MSNBC
trashes her. I love her, I'm obsessed with her, I hang
on every word she says...
Quote: EvenBobThis is so great what's happening with AOC and
her killing the Amazon deal. Here's 7 minutes
on MSNBC of them just thrashing her and what
she did. They're right on, she just gave Trump
a huge talking point.
Hard to believe this is PMSNBC!
She really seems to be this stupid. But then again she has an Econ degree and was......a bartender! Not exactly using that degree. Maybe she did interview places and all this came out in the interview.
The hidden thing here is look at what is important to White Dems vs. all the "minorities" who think the party is out for them. The Whites were about even on the deal. (As NYC is almost all dems not worth saying some of the Whites were in the GOP.) We all know that type. "Oh, I don't want AMZN coming here! Think of the lines at SBUX!" As they go off to their cushy job and life. Meanwhile, the Blacks and Latinos see OPPORTUNITY!
Keep voting Democrat, minorities! See what it is getting you?!
Quote: petroglyphPriorities
What had a higher priority then a supposed national emergency
None of these politicians had any problem approving a blood sucking casino in a low income Queens neighborhood, where it created less than 1,000 low paying jobs, produces nothing, and drains money from the communities and people that need it most.
That $3 billion in incentives would have been paid back ten times over in the next ten years. NYS is $60 billion in debt, with dwindling tax revenues. This was a much needed deal.
Amazon would have created 25,000 jobs with an average salary of $150K and could have added another 15,000 more jobs on top of that. Then there were the thousands of peripheral jobs created by the new businesses that would have sprung up around Amazon.
Not forgetting the potential new corporate sponsored educational programs and tens of millions of dollars in contributions to local schools, colleges and hospitals.
All lost.
Between burdensome college loans, international competition for jobs, and the high cost of living, young people face too many financial and career challenges. The last thing they need are fool politicians destroying their opportunities.
Quote: TankoAmong other things, they demanded Amazon pledge not to cooperate with ICE.
None of these politicians had any problem approving a blood sucking casino in a low income Queens neighborhood, where it created less than 1,000 low paying jobs, produces nothing, and drains money from the communities and people that need it most.
That $3 billion in incentives would have been paid back ten times over in the next ten years. NYS is $60 billion in debt, with dwindling tax revenues. This was a much needed deal.
Amazon would have created 25,000 jobs with an average salary of $150K and could have added another 15,000 more jobs on top of that. Then there were the thousands of peripheral jobs created by the new businesses that would have sprung up around Amazon.
Not forgetting the potential new corporate sponsored educational programs and tens of millions of dollars in contributions to local schools, colleges and hospitals.
All lost.
Between burdensome college loans, international competition for jobs, and the high cost of living, young people face too many financial and career challenges. The last thing they need are fool politicians destroying their opportunities.
But now that $3B is just sitting there waiting to be spent on those people!
Quote: aceofspadesBut now that $3B is just sitting there waiting to be spent on those people!
This misunderstanding is being talked
about on all the networks, I'm really
surprised. There was so much joy on
part of NY that they landed this Amazon
deal, they beat 200 other locations.
I think everybody in the media is in
shock that AOC could be this blatantly
misinformed as to what this golden
apple meant to the Big Apple.
I'm betting it's been explained to
her six times and she still doesn't get
it. The voter turnout in her district
was just 4%, 96% didn't even bother
voting. The new head of the Dem party,
and almost nobody voted for her.
Quote: aceofspadesBut now that $3B is just sitting there waiting to be spent on those people!
Bottom line, regardless of politics, it was a real bad deal
Right up there with cities building billion dollar stadiums with tax payer money for the NFL
If the deal went through, republicans would be crowing about what a bad deal it was
Quote: terapinedBottom line, regardless of politics, it was a real bad deal
Right up there with cities building billion dollar stadiums with tax payer money for the NFL
If the deal went through, republicans would be crowing about what a bad deal it was
You seem as confused as she is. We are not talking a stadium, like in LA. Or worse yet, wasting money to bring the Olympics to the USA where government pays to build buildings that get low to mild use. We are talking tax breaks so a corporation could bring 25,000 good jobs to an area that needed it. Each AMZN job would probably spin off at least one more job. And the jobs were not at all driven by government spending as on a military base. It was just making it worth it for a private company to locate.
Driving out such a business is political malpractice.
Quote: AZDuffmanDriving out such a business is political malpractice.
Nope
I'm a registered republican voter
I believe all businesses should be able to succeed or fail on there own without a billion dolar tax package.
Its socialism to have the govt give tax payer dollars to support a private business
I believe in good ol capitalism.
Quote: terapinedNope
I'm a registered republican voter
I believe all businesses should be able to succeed or fail on there own without a billion dolar tax package.
Its socialism to have the govt give tax payer dollars to support a private business
I believe in good ol capitalism.
If you believed in capitalism you would understand that capital goes to where it is treated best. Nothing at all wrong with giving a tax deal to a company that will provide billions in economic benefit.
Why you are pretending to be a "registered republican" is a mystery to me as you seem to hate everything the GOP says or does.
Quote: AZDuffmanYou seem as confused as she is. We are not talking a stadium, like in LA. Or worse yet, wasting money to bring the Olympics to the USA where government pays to build buildings that get low to mild use. We are talking tax breaks so a corporation could bring 25,000 good jobs to an area that needed it. Each AMZN job would probably spin off at least one more job. And the jobs were not at all driven by government spending as on a military base. It was just making it worth it for a private company to locate.
Driving out such a business is political malpractice.
Plus, now other tech companies and big businesses are going to think twice about the Ocasio Effect when thinking of setting up shop in NYC
Quote: AZDuffmanIf you believed in capitalism you would understand that capital goes to where it is treated best. Nothing at all wrong with giving a tax deal to a company that will provide billions in economic benefit.
Looks like you believe in subsidizing businesses with tax dollars
I believe business needs to succeed or fail without being subsidized by the govt
Quote: aceofspadesPlus, now other tech companies and big businesses are going to think twice about the Ocasio Effect when thinking of setting up shop in NYC
ROTFL
Google is setting up in NYC
Quote: aceofspadesPlus, now other tech companies and big businesses are going to think twice about the Ocasio Effect when thinking of setting up shop in NYC
It is a huge "CLOSED FOR BUSINESS" sign. NYC is way overdependent on financial services at the moment and has some major income disparity problems. If you are rich or if you are in public housing all is well. The middle is getting squeezed out. But I digress there.
Just wait until AOC realizes jobs are needed in her area. She will be laughed out of anyone who is serious' office.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf you believed in capitalism you would understand that capital goes to where it is treated best. Nothing at all wrong with giving a tax deal to a company that will provide billions in economic benefit.
Is that right??
I guess you missed the whole Foxconn debacle in Wisconsin. In a deal made by Scott Walker, they cashed in on billions in subsidies, while bringing in less than 1/3 of the jobs they promised, and entirely scrapping the plans for a manufacturing facility that Trump took much credit for, calling it the “8th wonder of the world”.
Is this political malpractice, or not so much when they have an R next to their name?
The fact any conservative can support this garbage and not see it as blatant corporate welfare is beyond astounding. But no, it’s the people on food stamps crippling our nation.
Quote: terapinedLooks like you believe in subsidizing businesses with tax dollars
I believe business needs to succeed or fail without being subsidized by the govt
Nope. Like I said, you are major confused same as AOC. This is not Solyndra or GM where checks of taxpayer funds were written. This is a deal where a tax break was given for bringing lots of business into town. Think of it like how you get a volume discount when you place a larger order.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe Democrats have enabled illegal immigration at every chance. What color is the sky in your world?
Democrats have enabled illegal immigration at every chance? Interesting. “They have supported barriers in the past” has been the major talking point from the GOP. Since yes, that is true, it hardly sounds like they’ve enabled at every chance. Gotta keep your TPs straight.
Obama was called the deporter in chief by immigration activists. Trump actually praised him for this in an interview with O’Reilly during the campaign with his signature “a lot of people don’t know that”. Lol. And if I had to guess...if I had to guess, my guess is that Obama’s numbers with deportations and ICE arrests are higher than Trump.
Might look it up. Might not.
Quote: SteverinosDemocrats have enabled illegal immigration at every chance? Interesting. “They have supported barriers in the past” has been the major talking point from the GOP. Since yes, that is true, it hardly sounds like they’ve enabled at every chance. Gotta keep your TPs straight.
Obama was called the deporter in chief by immigration activists. Trump actually praised him for this in an interview with O’Reilly during the campaign with his signature “a lot of people don’t know that”. Lol. And if I had to guess...if I had to guess, my guess is that Obama’s numbers with deportations and ICE arrests are higher than Trump.
Might look it up. Might not.
Look up whatever you want. Does not change the fact that the Democrat Party is the party of illegal immigration. They are doing all they can to enable it. They are doing all they can to make life easier for illegal aliens (who supports drivers licenses for illegals?) They are currently getting ready to run on a platform of tearing down existing border walls.
Now, if you want more illegal immigration and support this, fine. Just please be honest and go ahead and say so. I give respect to people who man up and state what they believe that way.
The Ocasio Cortez way to look at is they are stealing an 8 million dollar assessment break.
The Republican way to look at it is they are collecting double the taxes they were when it was unimproved land, and have created new permanent jobs.
I think this particular debacle by Ocasio Cortez will be her defining moment. I think I have to agree with EB, that she will be a BIG help to Republicans.
Quote: AZDuffmanNope. Like I said, you are major confused same as AOC. This is not Solyndra or GM where checks of taxpayer funds were written. This is a deal where a tax break was given for bringing lots of business into town. Think of it like how you get a volume discount when you place a larger order.
Again, I believe in capitalism
Businesses need to succeed or fail without billions of dollars in tax breaks
AOC hate syndrome is turning conservatives into socialists demanding billions in tax breaks for 1 company
Quote: AZDuffmanYou seem as confused as she is.
The experts say this was a permanent
headquarters and in the next 50 years
would have directly benefited over a
million New Yorkers, if not more. Now
'poof', it's gone because of a big mouthed
Lib who didn't even understand what
it was about.
Amazon invited her to a meeting to discuss
and explain the details and she accepted
and then completely blew them off. She
never showed up, and that might be what
made them finally decide it just wasn't
worth the future headaches. Too many other
cities were on their knees begging them to
come there.
Quote: SOOPOOThis drives me crazy. Was the State of New York going to actually write a check to AMZN, or were they just going to collect 3 billion less in taxes over some pre determined time period?
Yes, it's like the senior discount they
give you at McD's. You just pay less,
they don't give you actual money.
Cortez thought the state was handing
a $3bil check to Amazon, like NY isn't
$60 bil in debt and has an extra $3 bil
just laying around.
Quote: terapinedAgain, I believe in capitalism
Businesses need to succeed or fail without billions of dollars in tax breaks
AOC hate syndrome is turning conservatives into socialists demanding billions in tax breaks for 1 company
So, I would assume Duffman and others can't defend an argument against, say a progressive tax, Here we are explicitly using government making taxes unfair on the argument that it's a benefit to others.. Same as progressive tax.
Quote: rxwineSo, I would assume Duffman and others can't defend an argument against, say a progressive tax, Here we are explicitly using government making taxes unfair on the argument that it's a benefit to others.. Same as progressive tax.
I’ll answer. I am not against a progressive tax. I happily pay as much in Federal taxes as 20 families of four earning an average wage. It’s when a change is made and now I’m paying as much as 18 families and someone makes the argument that the government is giving me something.....
I am for lots of what my tax dollars are spent on. I am against lots of what my tax dollars are spent on. That’s why we have elected representatives. I wasn’t sure about the Amazon deal. Now I am sure it would have been a net positive for NY. I read that the jobs were going to average over 100k per year (sorry... no source). I think that’s like 2.5 billion in wages. That’s per year. That’s a lot of taxes back to the state, and a lot of local economic impact.
Quote: AZDuffmanDoes not change the fact that the Democrat Party is the party of illegal immigration.
Look, the facts simply do not back you up...at all...and it's not even close. The Gang of Eight bi-partisan immigration reform bill of 2013 passed the Senate by a 68-32 margin (ALL DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT) and would've garnered Obama's signature. This bill included several provisions on not only increasing security at the border but also included several reforms to the VISA programs. House Republicans killed this bill. In an era of gridlock, we had an opportunity to pass real immigration reform on a bipartisan basis and whaddayaknow...the party of NO killed the bill.
If you want to have a real debate about something, a little less hyperbole and just a little more factual information would be helpful.
Oh, and by the way, I did look it up. Obama definitely deserved his deporter-in-chief title that immigration activists were tagging him with. So much for the "dems don't care" crap. And that's exactly what it is...crap.
Quote: Steverinos
If you want to have a real debate about something, a little less hyperbole and just a little more factual information would be helpful.
Here are the facts, that you like to omit:
Dems shut the government down because they did not want a border wall.
Dems run sanctuary cities coast to coast. CA Dems want to make a sanctuary state.
Dems are now calling to tear down EXISTING border walls.
Dems are for amnesty.
Dems defended illegal immigrant gangs when Trump spoke against them. You know, the same gangs selling heroin to our people!
Dems groaned when Trump said we will begin tracking crime by illegal immigrants.
Dems are calling to dismantle ICE.
Dems wanted to limit detention beds for criminal illegal aliens.
Are you beginning to see the picture here? Or are you blind to what is going on right in front of you? Your argument might play if I was a college freshman with a skull full of mush listening to a liberal college prof. But having been out in the real world for decades, I can see what is going on.
Quote: AZDuffmanHere are the facts, that you like to omit:
Dems shut the government down because they did not want a border wall.
Dems run sanctuary cities coast to coast. CA Dems want to make a sanctuary state.
Dems are now calling to tear down EXISTING border walls.
Dems are for amnesty.
Dems defended illegal immigrant gangs when Trump spoke against them. You know, the same gangs selling heroin to our people!
Dems groaned when Trump said we will begin tracking crime by illegal immigrants.
Dems are calling to dismantle ICE.
Dems wanted to limit detention beds for criminal illegal aliens.
Are you beginning to see the picture here? Or are you blind to what is going on right in front of you? Your argument might play if I was a college freshman with a skull full of mush listening to a liberal college prof. But having been out in the real world for decades, I can see what is going on.
Source any of this and we can begin to take you seriously. Let's start with the first, umm, lol "fact", as you like to call it. And we can go down this list point by point if you'd like. Some are up for debate, and some are just absolute dog s**t.
Here's Trump just, days ago, on February 12th, claiming responsibility for the first shutdown:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/12/donald-trump-border-wall-not-happy-first-shutdown-my-fault-second-democrats-sot-ip-vpx.cnn
It's hilarious to me that one democrat says something, specifically a democrat who's currently not even running for elected office, and you equate that to "dems". Why don't we wait and see if "tearing down existing border walls" makes it into the platform in 2020 before we start saying an entire political party supports something. Less hyperbole please.
Quote: SteverinosSource any of this and we can begin to take you seriously.
Watch the news, news other than CNN or PMSNBC. Every statement has been on many times.
Quote:Let's start with the first, umm, lol "fact", as you like to call it. And we can go down this list point by point if you'd like. Some are up for debate, and some are just absolute dog s**t.
Here's Trump just, days ago, on February 12th, claiming responsibility for the first shutdown:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/12/donald-trump-border-wall-not-happy-first-shutdown-my-fault-second-democrats-sot-ip-vpx.cnn
When congress would not give Obama what he wanted, Congress was blamed.
When congress would not give Clinton what he wanted, Congress was blamed.
I am just going with history.
Quote:It's hilarious to me that one democrat says something, specifically a democrat who's currently not even running for elected office, and you equate that to "dems". Why don't we wait and see if, for example, "tearing down existing border walls" makes it into the platform in 2020 before we start saying an entire political party supports something. Less hyperbole please.
A Democrat called for it. You can bet the ante has been upped and more will cheer that on. Just as they jumped on the GND of Alexia Ortega Clueless. IOW, no need to wait for it, most Dems support tearing them down, just afraid to say so.
