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February 14th, 2019 at 5:13:19 PM permalink
I eagerly anticipate the next Dem president declaring national emergencies over gun violence and climate change.
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February 14th, 2019 at 5:26:45 PM permalink
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*EXCERPT*I eagerly anticipate the next Dem president declaring national emergencies over gun violence...




You should have said: "I eagerly anticipate the next Dem present declaring Civil War II"
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February 14th, 2019 at 7:24:57 PM permalink
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You should have said: "I eagerly anticipate the next Dem present declaring Civil War II"



Why do the righties always seem to fantasize about another civil war?
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February 14th, 2019 at 7:28:20 PM permalink
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Why do the righties always seem to fantasize about another civil war?


The lefties don't?
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February 14th, 2019 at 7:40:36 PM permalink
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The lefties don't?



I can’t speak for all lefties, but I certainly don’t.

It’s always a rightie who brings it up.
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I can’t speak for all lefties, but I certainly don’t.

It’s always a rightie who brings it up.


Seems more about 50/50 to me. I remember just a few years ago when lefties were like, "We'd totally win a civil war, the president is a democrat and he's commander in chief" and other dumb s*** like that.

Edit: I didn't read AOS's post that he fantasizes about another civil war. Seems like the exact contrary.
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February 15th, 2019 at 12:31:24 AM permalink
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Seems more about 50/50 to me. I remember just a few years ago when lefties were like, "We'd totally win a civil war, the president is a democrat and he's commander in chief" and other dumb s*** like that.


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February 15th, 2019 at 1:17:32 AM permalink
Well if stereotypes have any basis, the left probably wouldn't do to well unless we did manage to literally take your guns. Haha.
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February 15th, 2019 at 2:07:18 AM permalink
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Seems more about 50/50 to me. I remember just a few years ago when lefties were like, "We'd totally win a civil war, the president is a democrat and he's commander in chief" and other dumb s*** like that.

Edit: I didn't read AOS's post that he fantasizes about another civil war. Seems like the exact contrary.



Exactly - I would never fantasize about war
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February 15th, 2019 at 5:06:01 AM permalink
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Exactly - I would never fantasize about war



If When the next Dem president declares a national emergency over gun violence (thanks Donny), it’s pretty much guaranteed there won’t be a “Civil War II.”

Whichever side is against the side of the federal government would be the loser cause they’d just get droned out of existence. Seems like it’d be a pointless exercise...
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February 15th, 2019 at 5:15:41 AM permalink
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Whichever side is against the side of the federal government would be the loser cause they’d just get droned out of existence. Seems like it’d be a pointless exercise...


I think that’s exactly what the far right would like to see.
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February 15th, 2019 at 5:35:04 AM permalink
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I think that’s exactly what the far right would like to see.




The side with 8 trillion bullets wants to see their side kicked in the butt by the US Military?
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February 15th, 2019 at 6:57:15 AM permalink
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The side with 8 trillion bullets wants to see their side kicked in the butt by the US Military?
ok


They want to see the federal government dissolved to zero or near zero.
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February 15th, 2019 at 7:26:53 AM permalink
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They want to see the federal government dissolved to zero or near zero.



They want anarchy?????
I met anarchists on the mall in DC with their faces covered by bandanas
I spoke to them, they're nuts and ultra left wing
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February 15th, 2019 at 7:31:06 AM permalink
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They want anarchy?????
I met anarchists on the mall in DC with their faces covered by bandanas
I spoke to them, they're nuts and ultra left wing


No, they want as small of a government as possible, and any government that does exist to be in the state/local level.
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February 15th, 2019 at 7:40:36 AM permalink
Funny quote.... "Elizabeth Warren has experienced the hard road of being a Native American. Or at least she once drove a Cherokee Sport."

It was in an article about Buttigieg. He is a Dem, openly gay, running for President. If you can get 100-1 on him it might be worth the dollar.
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February 15th, 2019 at 8:44:06 AM permalink
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Wow
Mitch MCconnell is actually gonna let Trump declare a national emergency to build that dumb wall
therefore
Giving the Dem President in 2020 unlimited power
wow
Talk about a leader of the senate not understanding precedent
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trump-declaring-a-national-emergency-to-build-border-wall-with-mcconnells-support-will-come-back-to-haunt-conservatives




Ann Coulter not holding back
"no, the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years. The goal is to get Trump’s stupidest voters to say ‘HE’S FIGHTING!’ No he’s not. If he signs this bill, it’s over.”

Luckily Ann is not a member here or she would be nuked for insulting the Trump base which includes many member here
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February 15th, 2019 at 9:09:08 AM permalink
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The lefties don't?



Having seen " Bambi vs Godzilla" as well as the sequel, I think any civil war would be shorter and not as interesting.
Am I supposed to believe people too afraid to go to a supermarket without a gun are going to find the testicular fortitude to stand up to the U.S. Government or are they delusional enough to think the military will side with them.
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February 15th, 2019 at 11:45:01 AM permalink
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Having seen " Bambi vs Godzilla" as well as the sequel, I think any civil war would be shorter and not as interesting.
Am I supposed to believe people too afraid to go to a supermarket without a gun are going to find the testicular fortitude to stand up to the U.S. Government or are they delusional enough to think the military will side with them.



1. The US Military would not side with them.
2. The US Military has much better toys.
3. A few bunker busters here, a few drone strikes there, I don't care how many trillion rounds they have stored. And that's not even the heavy artillery.
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February 15th, 2019 at 11:47:43 AM permalink
I thought Trump's greatest strength was making deals?

Turns out he sucks at that too.

BUT....he still knows how to stiff contractors.

I wonder how many small businesses he's put out of business.
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February 15th, 2019 at 12:19:56 PM permalink
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I thought Trump's greatest strength was making deals?

Turns out he sucks at that too.



Can't make deals with people who care more about illegal aliens than US Citizens.

BUILD THE WALL! MAGA!
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February 15th, 2019 at 12:27:31 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Having seen " Bambi vs Godzilla" as well as the sequel, I think any civil war would be shorter and not as interesting.
Am I supposed to believe people too afraid to go to a supermarket without a gun are going to find the testicular fortitude to stand up to the U.S. Government or are they delusional enough to think the military will side with them.



A second civil war would not look at all like the first. The US Civil War was unusual in how both sides had a very organized military structure. The South was very unusual in that the breakaway faction had probably better military structure than the North. In most cases the lines are not as clear and the rebels just hit here and there, hoping to eventually sway the general population.

We have already seen what the violence of another civil war will look like. Leftist groups like ANTIFA and BLM causing sporadic violence. Eventually they will get violent in the wrong place and have violence returned to them. The military will be near helpless, not knowing who to chase. Eventually you would see de facto "no go" zones, where the other side has to blend in or face very possible peril. Like Canal St divided the Italians and Chinese in Manhattan. Or how LA is now, blocks controlled by this or that gang and you stay on your own block.

The USD being the reserve currency is holding it together for now. As long as the masses can be bought off. When USD is no longer the reserve, get ready!
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February 15th, 2019 at 1:14:21 PM permalink
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Leftist groups like ANTIFA and BLM causing sporadic violence. Eventually they will get violent in the wrong place and have violence returned to them.



Like This One
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February 15th, 2019 at 2:51:28 PM permalink
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I wonder how many small businesses he's put out of business.



I am not sure if any of the righties here will read this. And if they do, they might just call USA Today "fake news", but if ANY of that story is true (most of it is, imo), Trump is a gigantic scumbag.
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February 15th, 2019 at 3:43:43 PM permalink
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Can't make deals with people who care more about illegal aliens than US Citizens.


Hyperbole - exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally

or

seriously
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February 15th, 2019 at 4:17:04 PM permalink
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Hyperbole - exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally

or

seriously



I’m taking them on their actions. Their actions show they care most about illegal aliens.
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February 15th, 2019 at 4:23:43 PM permalink
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I’m taking them on their actions. Their actions show they care most about illegal aliens.



Their actions? Wait, I thought "they have supported barriers in the past"?

So which talking point is it today? They have supported barriers in the past but don't because of TDS or they want open borders and care more about illegals than US citizens? They are mutually exclusive. Pick one.
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February 15th, 2019 at 5:22:49 PM permalink
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I thought Trump's greatest strength was making deals?

Turns out he sucks at that too.

BUT....he still knows how to stiff contractors.

I wonder how many small businesses he's put out of business.




The thing is, in real estate and business, you have both sides of the table actually wanting to make a deal
The Dems want to obstruct, not make a deal -- that is why they turned down POTUS Trump's 11million DACA deal
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February 15th, 2019 at 5:27:45 PM permalink
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The thing is, in real estate and business, you have both sides of the table actually wanting to make a deal
The Dems want to obstruct, not make a deal -- that is why they turned down POTUS Trump's 11million DACA deal



What deal are you referring to? I know of a DACA deal that was rejected by Trump in March (in which he could've taken, built his wall, AND expanded his base...so much for Art of the Deal), in which Schumer offered 25 billion in wall funding in exchange for DACA protection. But Trump rejected that deal, not democrats. (Then he wants to push for his wall AFTER the GOP lost a midterm election where they CHOSE "invasion", instead of the "economy stupid" to campaign on....elections have consequences).

But if you are referring to anything more recent than March ( don't know of any potential "11 million DACA deal"), and Dems rejected it, it's because Trump lost his leverage on DACA when the SC declined to take up the appeal of renewals. Again, so much for Art of the Deal.

The whole thing is asinine.
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February 15th, 2019 at 5:27:55 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Steverinos

I thought Trump's greatest strength was making deals?

Turns out he sucks at that too.

BUT....he still knows how to stiff contractors.

I wonder how many small businesses he's put out of business.




The thing is, in real estate and business, you have both sides of the table actually wanting to make a deal
The Dems want to obstruct, not make a deal -- that is why they turned down POTUS Trump's 11million DACA deal

The thing is, in real estate and business, you have both sides of the table actually wanting to make a deal
Trump want to obstruct, not make a deal -- that is why he is demanding that ridiculous wall
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February 15th, 2019 at 6:09:02 PM permalink
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Their actions? Wait, I thought "they have supported barriers in the past"?

So which talking point is it today? They have supported barriers in the past but don't because of TDS or they want open borders and care more about illegals than US citizens? They are mutually exclusive. Pick one.


They are mutually exclusive...are you serious? You do realize one is in the past and the other is current, right?
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February 15th, 2019 at 6:46:14 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

Their actions? Wait, I thought "they have supported barriers in the past"?

So which talking point is it today? They have supported barriers in the past but don't because of TDS or they want open borders and care more about illegals than US citizens? They are mutually exclusive. Pick one.



It is how Dems operate, change their minds as needed:

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February 15th, 2019 at 7:34:19 PM permalink
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It is how Dems operate, change their minds as needed:



That didn't work out too well for Kerry, iirc.
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February 15th, 2019 at 8:01:10 PM permalink
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They are mutually exclusive...are you serious? You do realize one is in the past and the other is current, right?



You think a political party can go from supporting barriers in 2013 to open borders in 5 years?

The question is...are YOU serious?

Maybe...just maybe...it’s a little more nuanced that. Maybe, it’s a little more complicated. What are we prioritizing? What other immigrations reforms were contained in the senate Gang of Eight bi-partisan Bill in 2013 that House Republicans KILLED?

It’s always binary with you guys. Republican Party is BROKEN.
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February 15th, 2019 at 8:18:22 PM permalink
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You think a political party can go from supporting barriers in 2013 to open borders in 5 years?...


Undoubtedly, yes.
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February 16th, 2019 at 3:55:43 AM permalink
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You think a political party can go from supporting barriers in 2013 to open borders in 5 years?



Absolutely. We just saw it happen.

Democrat Party has been for open borders for some time, but they always hid their real position behind "sensible border control." In the end they did nothing, but some people fell for the act. Maybe even switched parties because they thought the GOP was "mean."

Now the far left has risen in the Democrat Party and is waging a good fight for control. This group is a bit like Tom Cruise described Col Jessop. They hate hiding who they are. They hate the games. They want to say how much they love open borders and socialism and think that if they just do then people will come to their side.

Sad to see what has become of the party of JFK.
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February 16th, 2019 at 4:17:47 AM permalink
Here's a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years
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February 16th, 2019 at 5:31:08 AM permalink
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Here's a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years



ROTFL
This not an emergency
Listen to Ann Coulter
"The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot’
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February 16th, 2019 at 9:44:15 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Steverinos

I thought Trump's greatest strength was making deals?

Turns out he sucks at that too.

BUT....he still knows how to stiff contractors.

I wonder how many small businesses he's put out of business.




The thing is, in real estate and business, you have both sides of the table actually wanting to make a deal
The Dems want to obstruct, not make a deal -- that is why they turned down POTUS Trump's 11million DACA deal

The thing is, in real estate and business, you have both sides of the table actually wanting to make a deal
Trump want to obstruct, not make a deal -- that is why he is demanding that ridiculous wall



And you KNOW this is not true! Trump is demanding his ridiculous wall because that is what he campaigned on! That is what he promised the American people if he got elected! And lo and behold he got elected and is ACTUALLY TRYING TO FULFILL a campaign promise! Trump wants his wall with no strings attached. Unfortunately for him, that's not how this process works. So to get his wall he needs to make a deal. I like deals. It means both sides are talking to each other and tempering the extreme ideas of each side.
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February 16th, 2019 at 10:01:04 AM permalink
Mayor Bill De Blasio Blasts Ocasio-Cortez for Killing Amazon Deal

Most wonderful story in awhile, socialism
at work, it's horrors on full display.

DeBlasio:
“As a progressive my entire life — and I ain’t changing — I’ll take on any progressive anywhere that thinks it’s a good idea to lose jobs and revenue because I think that’s out of touch with what working people want.”

Amazon was sought after for years by
20 cities, it was the golden prize. 25000
new high paying jobs that would
directly effect 100,000 workers and
immediate family members. And
indirectly effect another 100,000
people who owned the stores and
shops every place the workers and
fams would spend the money.

And bring $27 billion over 10 years
to NY state. But that's all gone thanks
to OAC and her cronies. The best part
is, the economy graduate says the
state can now spend the $3 billion
Amazon was getting on subways and
mom and pop shops.

The priceless rub is, there is NO $3 bil
laying around waiting to be spent,
it was a TAX CUT for Amazon, not
cash that being given to them. But OAC,
college grad in economy, cannot grasp
this.

This is the new leader of the Dem party,
folks, and I couldn't be happier.
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February 16th, 2019 at 10:08:19 AM permalink
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And you KNOW this is not true! Trump is demanding his ridiculous wall



Walls are so silly. The Vatican has a wall
totally surrounding it. Surely it can't
be to keep thousands of unwanted
people out, it has to be to keep the
priests and workers from escaping.
Why wouldn't they want anybody
and everybody coming and going
24/7 from their sovereign state..
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February 16th, 2019 at 10:16:57 AM permalink
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Trump is demanding his ridiculous wall because that is what he campaigned on! That is what he promised the American people if he got elected! And lo and behold he got elected and is ACTUALLY TRYING TO FULFILL a campaign promise!



Democrats elected in the midterms also have campaign promises to fulfill. Not one that I know of promised to help Trump fulfil his campaign promises, especially when they don't agree with some of them.
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February 16th, 2019 at 10:55:03 AM permalink
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Democrats elected in the midterms also have campaign promises to fulfill. Not one that I know of promised to help Trump fulfil his campaign promises, especially when they don't agree with some of them.



Rx... You and I agree here. But the left making it seem like some surprise that DJT wants money for a wall! And that he shouldn't do everything reasonable in his power to get it done! (The next 50 pages can be over what is 'reasonable'). My next sentence which you omitted said 'this is not how it works'. So yes, the Dems do have leverage now and they can extract items of benefit to them and their base in exchange for the wall funding.

I'v said it many times. I do not want 'a wall' per se. I want whatever method/technique/structure/plan best uses finite tax dollars to stop as many illegal aliens from entering our country, and getting rid of as many as we can identify that have breached the border. I do think it is and should be a top priority for our elected officials. Trump agrees. The Democrats do not. Trump overstates it using the word 'emergency'.
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February 16th, 2019 at 11:55:04 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Rx... You and I agree here. But the left making it seem like some surprise that DJT wants money for a wall! And that he shouldn't do everything reasonable in his power to get it done!


The surprise is that he waited 2 years, when he lost power, to demand the wall. He could have pushed this through 2 years ago. If it was such an emergency, why wait 2 years???????
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February 16th, 2019 at 12:06:56 PM permalink
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The surprise is that he waited 2 years, when he lost power, to demand the wall. He could have pushed this through 2 years ago. If it was such an emergency, why wait 2 years???????



The most likely reason is because two years ago there was no emergency. This should be obvious to anyone because Candidate Trump never brought up declaring a national emergency in 2016, nor did President Trump in 2017. Now after two years with Trump immigration policy allowing Mexicans to cross our wall-less border illegally it has reached emergency levels. This is what a lot of Americans want, because they need villains to fight against -- which is why Trump has made sure to provide all the incentives for illegal immigrants to keep coming here, such as welfare and job opportunities.

The real issue isn't Trump declaring a national emergency, the real issue is Trump creating a national emergency.
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February 16th, 2019 at 12:08:37 PM permalink
Wouldn’t it have required 60 votes from the Senate, or something like that? Tbh I don’t really know how all that voting stuff works. Sometimes it’s a simple majority, sometimes a bigger majority, and maybe other times a super majority.
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February 16th, 2019 at 12:29:48 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I want whatever method/technique/structure/plan best uses finite tax dollars to stop as many illegal aliens from entering our country



That’s the Democrats plan. Not the republican/trump
Plan.
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February 16th, 2019 at 12:40:15 PM permalink
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the real issue is Trump creating a national emergency.


Hey TG:

I wrote a poem. For better or worse, I sent it to the WH and to my Senator's office:

Humpty trumpy is a dumb duck;

As "president" he truly did suck;

And all his party's Congressman just sat around;

While trumpy drove the country into the ground.


Do you know if the Poet Laureate position is still open, and how much does it pay ?

10-9-8-7-6..... waiting for EB's eloquent response.
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February 16th, 2019 at 1:07:43 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

That’s the Democrats plan. Not the republican/trump
Plan.



The Democrats have enabled illegal immigration at every chance. What color is the sky in your world?
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February 16th, 2019 at 1:12:01 PM permalink
Right now it is kindof overcast. And trumpy is still a major doofus. No offense.
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