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July 9th, 2018 at 6:54:28 PM permalink
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If Ginsburg or Breyer step down or...........and one of those two options is gonna happen before Jan of 2020, the Dems aren't going to get a majority in the Senate before then and the tears that will flow from Rachel & the Left with a 3rd Trump Scotus Nomination....oh my!



No way on God's green earth that RBG or Breyer step down during Trumps term. Die? Maybe. No way either would leave on their own.
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July 9th, 2018 at 7:22:56 PM permalink
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He pushed for the impeachment of Clinton based on obstruction. That will be sure to be brought up during confirmation.



If and when they find something to charge Trump with, I think his position would be that impeachment is the proper venue for adjudicating the charge.

Nominating him today does not giver President Trump some kind of "free pass" should an offense be found; it just may help decide which way that charge should be handled.
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July 9th, 2018 at 7:27:15 PM permalink
Senator Pochantas is going bonkers.

Do we think a single Democrat would have tried to appease conservatives should Hillary have been the one nominating tonight?

I guess elections only have consequences when they win!!
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July 9th, 2018 at 7:27:36 PM permalink
I believe that he has changed his POV in regards to how he handled the Clinton case.

That said, I agree with you, if it is found that he obstructed justice (not saying that he did) then articles of impeachment should at least be discussed.
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July 9th, 2018 at 7:33:57 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Senator Pochantas is going bonkers.

Do we think a single Democrat would have tried to appease conservatives should Hillary have been the one nominating tonight?

I guess elections only have consequences when they win!!




Lizzy obviously doesn’t care about charity since she won’t take a trump up on his offer to test her DNA.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/politics/elizabeth-warren-town-hall-trump-bullies-women/index.html

In her world, calling someone out on the truth is “bullying”.

Strange world she’s living in.
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July 9th, 2018 at 8:06:09 PM permalink
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College students discuss why they dislike Trump's SCOTUS nominee-----but just one problem!

Yet another reason the average campus is a joke.



These type of videos are made with every segment of the population. Everyone is dumb.
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July 9th, 2018 at 8:57:23 PM permalink
Ginsburg will retire at age 90. That is her stated goal. But she may be summoned to a higher court before then.
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July 9th, 2018 at 9:48:11 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

If you asked me which of the final four might end up accused of being a Rino, it would be Kavanaugh.
Of the four, Kavanaugh seems the most likely to side with trump on the Mueller case.
I'm sure that is completely coincidental.

I watched CNN’s coverage of the announcement. They quickly brought up his opinion that a President can’t be indicted. It seems this will be what the opposition clings onto through the confirmation. They won’t actually debate the merits of his argument that the President can’t be indicted because this will allow for endless legal proceedings thereby halting the President from running the country. Also that the process for charging the President is already laid out, it’s called impeachment. No they won’t argue the issue. It will be all about how Trump picked him so he won’t be charged.
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July 9th, 2018 at 9:56:32 PM permalink
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Ginsburg will retire at age 90. .



She'll be 90 in the middle of Trump's
2nd term. Perfect.
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July 9th, 2018 at 10:48:07 PM permalink
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Lizzy obviously doesn’t care about charity since she won’t take a trump up on his offer to test her DNA.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/politics/elizabeth-warren-town-hall-trump-bullies-women/index.html

In her world, calling someone out on the truth is “bullying”.

Strange world she’s living in.



Good thing hypocrisy isn't a snake or you'd be bitten. Where to start. Where's Trump's tax returns? He's said he show them to us. Calling people out, what a line of horseshit.
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July 10th, 2018 at 4:03:40 AM permalink
Looks like the Women's March press release somehow got out with "XX" as the SCOTUS nominee. Meaning they were going to say basically the same thing no matter who was nominated.

I wonder how many of these people saying you "can't overturn Roe" because it is "settled law" realize that they are saying that Separate But Equal should never have been overturned either as that was "settled law?"

Like I said, all you libs would have something else to worry about besides illegal aliens kids in a couple weeks. Libs seem to have forgotten all about what they were so in a lather about there.
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July 10th, 2018 at 6:33:31 AM permalink
Booker, Harris, Sanders already strongly opposed to Kavanaugh. Easy to understand reasons given. I want to ask B, H, and S which of the 25 potential nominees most often mentioned WOULD they support if they are able to block K? If their answer is none, we plan to oppose every Conservative leaning jurist, then I hope they lose and K is confirmed. If the Libs could at least say they could vote for a couple of the choices then I might get behind them saying someone is just too far Right.
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:07:48 AM permalink
See, the problem is the SC has to make decisions in a Constitutional framework, and the Constitution sucks, so that’s kind of a problem.

You can interpret everything in whatever semantically fueled way you want when the document you’re using as a point of reference doesn’t really speak to anything. And that, my friends, is how you end up with subjective political leanings being relevant in the highest court of the land.

Because the #ConstitutionSucks
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:12:01 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

See, the problem is the SC has to make decisions in a Constitutional framework, and the Constitution sucks, so that’s kind of a problem.

You can interpret everything in whatever semantically fueled way you want when the document you’re using as a point of reference doesn’t really speak to anything. And that, my friends, is how you end up with subjective political leanings being relevant in the highest court of the land.

Because the #ConstitutionSucks



No the only one who sucks is you. If you knew anything about the Constitution and the Supreme Court, you would know that the Supreme Court judge is left to no interpretation. All of the interpretation done by the Supreme Court must be done by following our founding father's interpretations which can be found in the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes. Youre just another ignorant citizen who knows nothing about this countrys history and how the law is applied, but instead is brainwashed by your tell-a-lie-vision and media. Suggest you get off the internet and turn your TV off because you have been brainwashed. You probably think we live in a democracy as well just like everyone else in this thread.

You're a disgrace to this country. All the hard work and blood sweat and tears that our founding fathers have sacrificed for us only for future generation of citizens to throw out ignorant comments like yours with the audacity to say the Constitution sucks and your erroneous comment about who interprets what and how.

Sad times.
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:13:01 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

See, the problem is the SC has to make decisions in a Constitutional framework, and the Constitution sucks, so that’s kind of a problem.

You can interpret everything in whatever semantically fueled way you want when the document you’re using as a point of reference doesn’t really speak to anything. And that, my friends, is how you end up with subjective political leanings being relevant in the highest court of the land.

Because the #ConstitutionSucks



What part of the Constitution sucks? All those freedoms?

I do agree the feds need less power but some things is what they is.
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:13:54 AM permalink
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You can call it "legally distinct" all you want. I am talking realistically and morally. There is something very wrong with someone who is OK with PBA. I don't need to read up on it at all. I know all about it. It is sick.



I wonder if the main difference between some Conservatives and some Liberals isn’t that the Liberals don’t necessarily think their subjective moral sets should be Universally applied, including to those who may not share their same moral principles? Conservatives also tend to be more religious, I know correlation isn’t causation, but...
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:25:21 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

No the only one who sucks is you.



Well, if that's not the definition of a Personal Insult. I'll just say that the words of someone who purportedly believed that the CET owned casinos were undertaking a massive conspiracy to defraud players by removing tens from their pre-shuffled Chinese decks don't really sting me that much, and we can call this one even.

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If you knew anything about the Constitution and the Supreme Court, you would know that the Supreme Court judge is left to no interpretation. All of the interpretation done by the Supreme Court must be done by following our founding father's interpretations which can be found in the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes.



Okay, and on matters that the Founding Fathers could not have feasibly forseen...then what?

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Youre just another ignorant citizen who knows nothing about this countrys history and how the law is applied, but instead is brainwashed by your tell-a-lie-vision and media. Suggest you get off the internet and turn your TV off because you have been brainwashed. You probably think we live in a democracy as well just like everyone else in this thread.



I don't watch TV and I only pay attention to two or three political sites, both lean slightly left. Mainly FiveThirtyEight, to be honest, which is mostly focused on the numbers. If you think I know nothing about how Government works, blame the public school system as well as the community college and then the University I attended, that's where I got some of the information.

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You're a disgrace to this country. All the hard work and blood sweat and tears that our founding fathers have sacrificed for us only for future generation of citizens to throw out ignorant comments like yours with the audacity to say the Constitution sucks and your erroneous comment about who interprets what and how.

Sad times.



Another personal insult. I don't have anything else right now, so we'll just say that I have a free one coming against you if it's cool with the Admins here. I'd just as soon see you not suspended for insulting me, especially considering that your opinion, quite possibly, matters less to me than anyone who is or has ever been on this forum.
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:29:48 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

What part of the Constitution sucks? All those freedoms?

I do agree the feds need less power but some things is what they is.



Honestly, mainly the parts that aren't in it. The Founding Fathers were just guys like you and I, not Gods. The Constitution is the ultimate appeal to authority, but more importantly, an authority that tries to preemptively answer questions that it didn't even know were going to be asked.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the Constitution. It's just trying to frame answers to it that it doesn't actually answer sucks and is really kind of dumb.
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:38:32 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Liberals foiled again! That darned Constitution! Every time!



Can you tell me the first Presidential candidate to select the VP candidate without looking it up? I'll give you a hint: The Founding Fathers couldn't have seen that one coming.
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:40:37 AM permalink
Zen every post that you make appears to be that of a stark raving lunatic. I don't mean this snarkily, but have you considered seeing or taking to a mental health professional? From what other posters say, they have met you and you appear normal and that you just vent here. However, I sometimes feel the people who are way over the top online may be exposing their true selves. I know that you wont take this advice to heart, but you really should talk to a professional.
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July 10th, 2018 at 8:31:11 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Can you tell me the first Presidential candidate to select the VP candidate without looking it up? I'll give you a hint: The Founding Fathers couldn't have seen that one coming.



There are a lot of things that they couldn't see coming. They placed a mechanism in the Constitution to handle those things.

President Obama and President Trump could not be "President for Life" because the Constitution was amended after after FDR was elected more than twice. It hadn't been an issue previously because the precedent President Washington set had been followed or enforced (U S Grant tried for three, for example...). Now the longest a President can serve is 10 years.
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July 10th, 2018 at 8:44:58 AM permalink
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If you knew anything about the Constitution and the Supreme Court, you would know that the Supreme Court judge is left to no interpretation. All of the interpretation done by the Supreme Court must be done by following our founding father's interpretations which can be found in the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes. Youre just another ignorant citizen who knows nothing about this countrys history and how the law is applied, but instead is brainwashed by your tell-a-lie-vision and media.



And if YOU knew anything about how life really works, you'd realize that in giving the president the power to appoint judges to the SC the framers certainly understood he would appoint people friendly to his agenda.

Hello, human nature.

If the SC strictly followed stare decisis there would be little ability to interpret the law in order to allow it to adjust to the demands of changing times.

It allows (at least in theory) for fluidity, to allow the law and the fundamental undepinnings of the social order to evolve beyond the limits of current legislation.

Unhappily it also serves to fan the flames of the divisiveness of modern partisan politics.
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:02:00 AM permalink
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And if YOU knew anything about how life really works, you'd realize that in giving the president the power to appoint judges to the SC the framers certainly understood he would appoint people friendly to his agenda.



Yes,, they knew that...but along the way the number of Justices was set high enough that it would be very hard for anyone to have ONLY people friendly to their agenda on the Court. The members of the Court, unless they die in office, have some say in who replaces them since they always have the option of resigning or holding on fro dear life...
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:34:57 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Honestly, mainly the parts that aren't in it. The Founding Fathers were just guys like you and I, not Gods. The Constitution is the ultimate appeal to authority, but more importantly, an authority that tries to preemptively answer questions that it didn't even know were going to be asked.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the Constitution. It's just trying to frame answers to it that it doesn't actually answer sucks and is really kind of dumb.



What parts are missing?

What you are not getting is that the USA with the exception of LA is a common law country. That means a basic layout of laws then courts decide when there is an unforeseen issue comes up.
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:38:14 AM permalink
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I wonder if the main difference between some Conservatives and some Liberals isn’t that the Liberals don’t necessarily think their subjective moral sets should be Universally applied, including to those who may not share their same moral principles? Conservatives also tend to be more religious, I know correlation isn’t causation, but...



Liberals demand their moral principles be applied all the time all over the country pace.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:43:53 AM permalink
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Good thing hypocrisy isn't a snake or you'd be bitten. Where to start. Where's Trump's tax returns? He's said he show them to us. Calling people out, what a line of horseshit.



So now a charity doesn’t get $1,000,000 for Lizzy simply backing up what she has said time and time again is true. It’s simple these days, not sure why she wouldn’t do it.

It gives her another arrow in her quill to use against him and would make him look like a fool if she agreed to it.

No sure where the downside is for Lizzy and the liberals on this one.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:48:42 AM permalink
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No the only one who sucks is you. If you knew anything about the Constitution and the Supreme Court, you would know that the Supreme Court judge is left to no interpretation. All of the interpretation done by the Supreme Court must be done by following our founding father's interpretations which can be found in the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes. Youre just another ignorant citizen who knows nothing about this countrys history and how the law is applied, but instead is brainwashed by your tell-a-lie-vision and media. Suggest you get off the internet and turn your TV off because you have been brainwashed. You probably think we live in a democracy as well just like everyone else in this thread.

You're a disgrace to this country. All the hard work and blood sweat and tears that our founding fathers have sacrificed for us only for future generation of citizens to throw out ignorant comments like yours with the audacity to say the Constitution sucks and your erroneous comment about who interprets what and how.

Sad times.



I’m not one to push for people to be suspended but I have to ask, why is this allowed here? Not the post, but the person who wrote it who obviously never learns. It’s a disgrace to use his own words and it sucks.

And welcome back Mission, sorry you “suck” and are a “disgrace to this country”.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:51:35 AM permalink
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Looks like the Women's March press release somehow got out with "XX" as the SCOTUS nominee. Meaning they were going to say basically the same thing no matter who was nominated.

I wonder how many of these people saying you "can't overturn Roe" because it is "settled law" realize that they are saying that Separate But Equal should never have been overturned either as that was "settled law?"

Like I said, all you libs would have something else to worry about besides illegal aliens kids in a couple weeks. Libs seem to have forgotten all about what they were so in a lather about there.



Trump said he would pick from the list.

The list was pre-vetted and contained ONLY justices who would commit to a particular conservative agenda.

That agenda was known or discovered a year or more ago, starting when Trump announced during the campaign it would be used.

The list contained several litmus-test criteria. Which allows Trump to claim he didn't ask any individual issue questions. But of course, Trump doesn't put 2 and 2 together for LITs or spinners, which is that the LIST ALREADY IS ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED THE ISSUE QUESTIONS AND PASSED THE LITMUS TESTS PUT BY THE PEOPLE WHO COMPILED THE LIST.

God, this country is so ignorant and gullible. We didn't used to be this stupid.

So, XX means nothing, because those justices under consideration had already taken an "acceptable" stance on the issues discussed in the press release.

Why wouldn't I, as a pro-choice voter, want that opposition to be prepared and organized, anyway? Especially when both Trump and McConnell are trying to railroad the process as quickly as they can.

And no, the MSM and the libs have not forgotten the separated families. You might wish, but it's being covered hourly, right alongside the irony of Thailand moving heaven and earth to reunite those boys with their families. But the US loses the kids, loses the records, can't even sort it out.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:54:56 AM permalink
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God, this country is so ignorant and gullible. We didn't used to be this stupid.



I disagree, we have always been this stupid. We just didn't have all the information that we do today to realize 95% of the population are morons.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:55:18 AM permalink
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No the only one who sucks is you. If you knew anything about the Constitution and the Supreme Court, you would know that the Supreme Court judge is left to no interpretation. All of the interpretation done by the Supreme Court must be done by following our founding father's interpretations which can be found in the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes. Youre just another ignorant citizen who knows nothing about this countrys history and how the law is applied, but instead is brainwashed by your tell-a-lie-vision and media. Suggest you get off the internet and turn your TV off because you have been brainwashed. You probably think we live in a democracy as well just like everyone else in this thread.

You're a disgrace to this country. All the hard work and blood sweat and tears that our founding fathers have sacrificed for us only for future generation of citizens to throw out ignorant comments like yours with the audacity to say the Constitution sucks and your erroneous comment about who interprets what and how.

Sad times.



Just saw this. Indefinite suspension. Minimum 14 days, final decision next week.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:58:29 AM permalink
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God, this country is so ignorant and gullible. We didn't used to be this stupid.



"SMART" phones and social media. There is literally zero attachment to facts and truth.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:59:15 AM permalink
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Well, if that's not the definition of a Personal Insult. I'll just say that the words of someone who purportedly believed that the CET owned casinos were undertaking a massive conspiracy to defraud players by removing tens from their pre-shuffled Chinese decks don't really sting me that much, and we can call this one even.



Okay, and on matters that the Founding Fathers could not have feasibly forseen...then what?



I don't watch TV and I only pay attention to two or three political sites, both lean slightly left. Mainly FiveThirtyEight, to be honest, which is mostly focused on the numbers. If you think I know nothing about how Government works, blame the public school system as well as the community college and then the University I attended, that's where I got some of the information.



Another personal insult. I don't have anything else right now, so we'll just say that I have a free one coming against you if it's cool with the Admins here. I'd just as soon see you not suspended for insulting me, especially considering that your opinion, quite possibly, matters less to me than anyone who is or has ever been on this forum.



I appreciate your trying to let this roll off, but it's not acceptable for ZK to continue to address people like this, or for us to allow the precedent to stand for such an egregious trolling post to go unanswered.
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July 10th, 2018 at 11:10:48 AM permalink
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Trump said he would pick from the list.

The list was pre-vetted and contained ONLY justices who would commit to a particular conservative agenda.

That agenda was known or discovered a year or more ago, starting when Trump announced during the campaign it would be used.

The list contained several litmus-test criteria. Which allows Trump to claim he didn't ask any individual issue questions. But of course, Trump doesn't put 2 and 2 together for LITs or spinners, which is that the LIST ALREADY IS ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED THE ISSUE QUESTIONS AND PASSED THE LITMUS TESTS PUT BY THE PEOPLE WHO COMPILED THE LIST.

God, this country is so ignorant and gullible. We didn't used to be this stupid.

So, XX means nothing, because those justices under consideration had already taken an "acceptable" stance on the issues discussed in the press release.



Oh, come on! "XX" is because they were going to say the same things about ANYONE he nominated. Maybe change a word here or there. Look upthread and see some liberals reactions to the Trump pick before it had even been made! To be fair, it is the same thing the liberals would have said after it had been made. It is liberal SOP and has been since Bork was nominated. Yes, this country is gullible and stupid, as too many people think the world will end if a SCOTUS nominee does not profess to love abortion.

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Why wouldn't I, as a pro-choice voter, want that opposition to be prepared and organized, anyway? Especially when both Trump and McConnell are trying to railroad the process as quickly as they can.



Two years ago you were upset the did not take fast action on a SCOTUS nominee.

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And no, the MSM and the libs have not forgotten the separated families. You might wish, but it's being covered hourly, right alongside the irony of Thailand moving heaven and earth to reunite those boys with their families. But the US loses the kids, loses the records, can't even sort it out.



Yes, they have forgotten. Because they never cared about the kids in the first place. They did not care until they could make it an issue against a GOP POTUS. That is all they care about. Where's Stormy, BTW?
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July 10th, 2018 at 11:33:33 AM permalink
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I disagree, we have always been this stupid. We just didn't have all the information that we do today to realize 95% of the population are morons.



Agree 100%.

I wonder if we can agree on who the 95% is...
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:04:46 PM permalink
Uh oh. McCain has endorsed Kavanaugh.
Without McCain on their side, Dems
have no chance of derailing this, no
matter how much crap they make up
out of thin air.
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:08:46 PM permalink
Not necessarily true. If both Collins and Murkowski vote against it is sunk. They can afford one, but not both to go against.
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:10:18 PM permalink
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Uh oh. McCain has endorsed Kavanaugh.



Where are you seeing this? I cant find it.
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:25:23 PM permalink
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Where are you seeing this? I cant find it.



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July 10th, 2018 at 12:27:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Uh oh. McCain has endorsed Kavanaugh.
Without McCain on their side, Dems
have no chance of derailing this, no
matter how much crap they make up
out of thin air.



This seems to be fake news

Doesnt come up in google

He is apparently at home convalescing from brain cancer treatment

Its currently a 49-50 situation

Repubs must be pulling their hair and resorting to fake news and fake votes

Lol which side was yammering about fake votes recently?
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:29:55 PM permalink
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Impeccable Credentials



Lol

Apparently the Washington Examiner doesnt even rate google search engines
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:31:44 PM permalink
Even if McCain supports him, that doesn't mean he votes for him. Not voting is the same as voting no.
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July 10th, 2018 at 12:32:12 PM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

Not necessarily true. If both Collins and Murkowski vote against it is sunk. They can afford one, but not both to go against.



51-49 means that they can lose two and still win with the tiebreaker.

Obviously, having both Collins and Murkowski vote against confirmation would mean that McCain or his replacement (the Governor is a Republican and has to appoint someone from the same party as the person being replaced, so it could happen quickly) would need to vote for confirmation. Of course, there is still the Rand Paul issue...

Kavanaugh is not likely be the swing vote on the abortion issue...Roberts will be the fifth vote to uphold Roe v. Wade if a case comes before the court that could have impact on the issue. As long as the 4 stay in place that would uphold it now, it is in no danger from the coming court.
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July 10th, 2018 at 1:12:00 PM permalink
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Liberals demand their moral principles be applied all the time all over the country pace.



Conservative stance in gay marriage and abortion.

Point, game, set, match.

Don’t see Liberals trying to restrict what people can or can’t do with their own bodies and genitals. Though I will admit the political correctness SJW crap is way out of control.
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July 10th, 2018 at 1:13:52 PM permalink
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And welcome back Mission, sorry you “suck” and are a “disgrace to this country”.



Thanks! That’s just Mission being Mission, I guess.
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July 10th, 2018 at 1:26:17 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Conservative stance in gay marriage and abortion.

Point, game, set, match.

Don’t see Liberals trying to restrict what people can or can’t do with their own bodies and genitals. Though I will admit the political correctness SJW crap is way out of control.



You might want to be careful what you claim here.

It was liberals who forced out a CEO because he was not for gay marriage. It was liberals who tried to destroy Chick-Fil-A because another CEO was not for gay marriage. POINT!

It is liberals who want to force religious institutions to tell people about abortion. SET!

Liberals want to restrict me from keeping a loaded gun in my nightstand. POINT!

Liberals want to force people to have their kids be educated on gay sex in schools. POINT!

Liberals are the ones who want to force vaccinations on kids no matter what the parents want. POINT!

Liberals are the ones who want to ban parents from letting their kids get therapy to prevent gay behavior. GAME!

Liberals are the ones who take away Bibles from kids quietly reading them at school. SET!

Liberals are the ones telling women they have to put up with men in the ladies bathroom. MATCH!
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July 10th, 2018 at 1:46:03 PM permalink
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It was liberals who forced out a CEO because he was not for gay marriage. It was liberals who tried to destroy Chick-Fil-A because another CEO was not for gay marriage. POINT!



That’s not a law. Did the US Legislative Branch, and the SCOTUS uphold that a Chick-Fil-A CEO must not be openly against gay marriage? No. He left because he made those comments and, as a result, him staying would have been potentially detrimental to business.

Personally, when it comes to where I get chicken sandwiches, I really don’t give a sweet hen what the political opinions of those serving me said sandwiches are.

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It is liberals who want to force religious institutions to tell people about abortion. SET!



What? Source?

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Liberals want to restrict me from keeping a loaded gun in my nightstand. POINT!



What kind of gun? Also, some liberals are staunchly Second Amendment supporters.

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Liberals want to force people to have their kids be educated on gay sex in schools. POINT!



Like, positions? The hell does that even mean?

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Liberals are the ones who want to force vaccinations on kids no matter what the parents want. POINT!



Yeah, because they don’t want the children of religious psychos to be public health risks.

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Liberals are the ones who want to ban parents from letting their kids get therapy to prevent gay behavior. GAME!



How could they ban a therapist who was willing from...

Oh, never mind, just continue to spout delusions.

Besides, they could certainly get such, “Therapy,” in church.

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Liberals are the ones who take away Bibles from kids quietly reading them at school. SET!



Hey, I’m on your side as long as it’s not during instructional hours. They can read the Bible all they like.

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Liberals are the ones telling women they have to put up with men in the ladies bathroom. MATCH!



Of course, more women are liberals than there are female conservatives, so if you were going to put the matter to a plurality vote, in many jurisdictions, those very same women would vote in the majority to allow people to use the restroom correspondent to the gender they believe themselves to be.

Hey, and it gets them out of the mens room. Aren’t the conservative guys worried that these individuals will look at their pee-pees if they’re back in the mens room? What with all of that being terrified of gay marriage and all.

Also, if it wasn’t for the stigma attached to the genitals, which I largely blame organized religion for, every place could just have one bathroom for everybody to use and it would have always been that way. But, you have to keep those naughty bits of the boys and girls away from each other, otherwise, how could your desired abstinence-only education succeed as well as it clearly has?

Anyway, you don’t want to see rights taken away, and I generally agree with that. In fact, I like seeing rights given. Just because a woman has the right to have an abortion doesn’t mean she has to. Just because two dudes can get married doesn’t mean you have to marry a guy. I promise.
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July 10th, 2018 at 2:15:16 PM permalink
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Not necessarily true. If both Collins and Murkowski vote against it is sunk.



Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said on Tuesday that “it’ll be very difficult for anyone to argue” that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh “is not qualified.”
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July 10th, 2018 at 2:19:48 PM permalink
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Where are you seeing this? I cant find it.



“In selecting Judge Brett Kavanaugh to fill the vacancy left by Justice Kennedy, President Trump has chosen a nominee with impeccable credentials and a strong record of upholding the Constitution," McCain said in a statement.
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July 10th, 2018 at 2:33:40 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

That’s not a law. Did the US Legislative Branch, and the SCOTUS uphold that a Chick-Fil-A CEO must not be openly against gay marriage? No. He left because he made those comments and, as a result, him staying would have been potentially detrimental to business.



Who said it had to be a law? We are talking about forcing beliefs. Fact is, the gay movement is the most intolerant group out there at the moment. If you do not go along, they will do all they can to destroy you. The Mafia was not as bad as them.

They could have just ate somewhere else. But not good enough. They made plans to show up and act in ways to disgust customers and ruin the business. It backfired when folks like myself showed up. Many stores ran out of food!


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It is liberals who want to force religious institutions to tell people about abortion. SET!


What? Source?




They lost their SCOTUS case.

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What kind of gun? Also, some liberals are staunchly Second Amendment supporters.



What does it matter? I keep a small handgun. But liberals want me to keep it in a gun safe. A DC law said I could not even keep it assembled in my own home, also lost at SCOTUS


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Liberals want to force people to have their kids be educated on gay sex in schools. POINT!

Like, positions? The hell does that even mean?



California school district says parents can’t pull kids from new LGBT sex ed



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Yeah, because they don’t want the children of religious psychos to be public health risks.



They are only a health risk to themselves. And it is more than "religious psychos." It is kids of people who weigh the safety of the vaccination vs. catching a disease that lasts a week. Their bodies, their choice!


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Liberals are the ones who want to ban parents from letting their kids get therapy to prevent gay behavior.

How could they ban a therapist who was willing from...



One link, at least 11 states ban it.

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Oh, never mind, just continue to spout delusions.



I have backed each one up with facts. Fact is, liberals try to force their values far, far more than conservatives.

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Of course, more women are liberals than there are female conservatives, so if you were going to put the matter to a plurality vote, in many jurisdictions, those very same women would vote in the majority to allow people to use the restroom correspondent to the gender they believe themselves to be.



I am not so sure when you take away social pressure to conform. Let a few men be in there with them, see how they respond. Women are funny that way, many are for this kind of thing until it inconveniences or affects them. Then all of the sudden not so much. For proof there, just look at how women act when they have to pay for something they do not want but is required.

For an example of the later, look at the reaction of the women who were given cars on "Oprah" way back. Same women who would vote for a liberal handout agenda were aghast when they had to pay the gift tax.
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July 10th, 2018 at 3:08:58 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Who said it had to be a law? We are talking about forcing beliefs. Fact is, the gay movement is the most intolerant group out there at the moment. If you do not go along, they will do all they can to destroy you. The Mafia was not as bad as them.

They could have just ate somewhere else. But not good enough. They made plans to show up and act in ways to disgust customers and ruin the business. It backfired when folks like myself showed up. Many stores ran out of food!



I would argue that some religious groups are less tolerant, mostly those who say it’s a sin against God that will result in eternal damnation to do the wrong thing with your genitals. I don’t think most of the Liberals are trying to inform behavior with threats of eternal suffering.

Also, I really think you’re focusing on the most vocal liberals. Like you said, at worst I’ll just not eat somewhere. More likely than not, I don’t care what a CEO’s political opinion are, though I do understand that other people will express their opinions about him and his opinions. If he’s running for Congress, or something, then I’ll be a little more concerned.

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They lost their SCOTUS case.



Skimmed it, I’m going to say I probably agree with the SCOTUS on that one. If the place isn’t being Governmentalky funded, then no, they shouldn’t be forced to offer advice counter to their religious beliefs.


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What does it matter? I keep a small handgun. But liberals want me to keep it in a gun safe. A DC law said I could not even keep it assembled in my own home, also lost at SCOTUS



Okay, so again I think the SCOTUS made the right call. I don’t think a person should be prevented from possessing a handgun. Apparently, many Liberals don’t either, check out this Gallup page:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

It seems, as of last year, that America is nearly as friendly towards handguns as they were at basically any other time. 28% of those polled think handguns should be banned, certainly not enough to lump all liberals in with them.

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California school district says parents can’t pull kids from new LGBT sex ed



One school district? You’re going to take what one school district did and extrapolate that to reflect the views of most/all Liberals? Just, no.

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They are only a health risk to themselves. And it is more than "religious psychos." It is kids of people who weigh the safety of the vaccination vs. catching a disease that lasts a week. Their bodies, their choice!



Wait, are the kids doing the choosing? I’m confused. I didn’t realize toddlers were capable of deciding their own medical treatment in an informed way, my mistake.


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One link, at least 11 states ban it.



Move to one of the 39 that don’t, if you find yourself so situated. I thought you guys were big on the Tenth Amendment?

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I have backed each one up with facts. Fact is, liberals try to force their values far, far more than conservatives.



I’m pretty sure everyone does it. Like I said, Liberals have gone too far on a good many things, in my opinion.


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I am not so sure when you take away social pressure to conform. Let a few men be in there with them, see how they respond. Women are funny that way, many are for this kind of thing until it inconveniences or affects them. Then all of the sudden not so much. For proof there, just look at how women act when they have to pay for something they do not want but is required.



I don’t make the news, I just report it. More women than men identify as Liberal, more women identify as Liberal than women who identify as Conservative. I didn’t make the phone calls myself, but that’s what the polls say.

Of course, now we have you making blanket generalizations about Liberal women. Nice. I almost don’t have to argue, I can just sit back and let you talk. “Women don’t know what they want because they can’t think in abstract terms,” is that basically what you’re saying?

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For an example of the later, look at the reaction of the women who were given cars on "Oprah" way back. Same women who would vote for a liberal handout agenda were aghast when they had to pay the gift tax.



Hell does that have to do with anything?
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