Quote: billryanWhen I was in Oaxaca I saw tortilla presses from before Christ was born.
Somebody is pranking you. There was no smelting of iron in North America until after the Europeans arrived in the 1500's. If the presses were made out of wood they would only last maybe a hundred years, not 2,000 years. The only metals they had were the soft ones like copper, gold, and silver. These are mostly used to make jewelry and ornamental objects.
Quote: EvenBobSomebody is pranking you. There was no smelting of iron in North America until after the Europeans arrived in the 1500's. If the presses were made out of wood they would only last maybe a hundred years, not 2,000 years. The only metals they had were the soft ones like copper, gold, and silver. These are mostly used to make jewelry and ornamental objects.
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You might want to go down there and tell the Museum they are wrong. It's up to you, no big deal for me one way or the other. They looked like they were made of stone, but I'll defer to your expertise. I'd have thought a people that could build pyramids could manage a tortilla press.
Are you suggesting Mesoamericans didn't eat tortillas until after Europeans arrived?
So I had a bacon, garlic, hot pepper pizza last night. Worth the $18!
Quote: billryanThey looked like they were made of stone,
I've never seen a tortilla press made out of stone, but that would explain it. I wonder how they managed it because steel tortilla press puts a lot of pressure on the dough to flatten it out and how would you do that with a stone. I've seen videos of villagers in Mexico making tortillas and they always press them out by hand. They're really quite fast that it.
Quote: EvenBobI wonder how they managed it because steel tortilla press puts a lot of pressure on the dough to flatten it out and how would you do that with a stone.
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Molcajetes and many other mortar & pestle forms use similar pressures and hold up just fine. They're made of stone.
Some stones can hold up the weight of a mountain; a little corn should be manageable.
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Molcajetes and many other mortar & pestle forms use similar pressures and hold up just fine.
A mortar and pestle is a completely different concept and tool then a tortilla press. A tortilla press has to keep a uniform pressure on the masa ball so it ends up flat and even. I just spent 10 or 12 minutes on Google looking at the history of the tortilla press and I can't find any mention anywhere that one was ever made out of stone. I don't even know how that would work, let alone two thousand years ago. Everybody seems to agree that the tortilla press was invented in 1904 in Mexico and most of them are made out of wood. Objects made out of wood do not survive 2000 years, not even close. I maintain that if a museum in Mexico has what they claim is a 2000 year old stone tortilla press it's a fantasy item, it never existed. The Aztecs six or eight hundred years ago did not have them, they pressed the masa balls flat with their hands just like they do to this day in villages all over Mexico.
Quote: EvenBobA mortar and pestle is a completely different concept and tool then a tortilla press. A tortilla press has to keep a uniform pressure on the masa ball so it ends up flat and even.
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I'm making two suggestions:
It doesn't have to make even pressure; the tortillas just come out looking a bit handmade instead of factory perfect.
Any wood or leather parts of the apparatus may well have disintegrated over the last few thousand years. This is certainly the case with old millstones on museum display where the axles are gone.
Supposedly canned food is safe to eat cold. So no reason to boil everything in there again.
Quote: EvenBobThis is so simple and so good even Drich could have one of his servants make it. Take 2 frozen salmon fillets, put in a huge bowl, put on top one 12 oz bag of cauliflower frozen one 12 oz bag of broccoli frozen. Mix in a liberal amount of lemon pepper and Mesquite seasoning. Add 1/4 cup of water put a heavy plate on top of the bowl and cook in the microwave for 15 minutes. Unbelievably good and simple. And healthy. It's a proven fact the flash frozen food has just as many nutrients as fresh.
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Ill try this tonight. Grilled or fried Burnt Charred meat is supposedly cancerous.
People used to assume that because dietary fibers pass through the body, that the carbs in dietary fibers are not digested, However, the FDA has ruled (sometime in the recent past) that carbs in insoluble dietary fibers should be counted as 2 calories/g rather than 0 calories/g. This seems to imply that about 1/2 of the carbs in insoluble fibers are eventually digested.
So, I am concluding that calories per slice of bread is perhaps the most meaningful metric for avoiding carbs - because, lets face it, all calories in bread come from carbohydrates. (none from protein or fats).
With that in mind, this is what I am seeing in my own personal bread drawer:
Sourdough: 130 calories/slice
Whole wheat: 70 calories/ slice
Keto bread: 30 calories/ slice*
* because this brand of keto bread does contains 1 g of allulose per slice, which presumably contributes 4 calories but does not metabolize to glucose, this brand of Keto bread should probably be de-rated to 26 calories from carbohydrates per slice.
Quote: billryanI'm looking for suggestions on what to do with two pounds of beef stew meat. I'm not making a stew so other ideas are welcome. I took one package and grilled it for a few minutes. Used some as beef tips and sliced the rest to go with melted swiss cheese on a toasted roll. Neither was particularly good. In both trials, the teriyaki sauce was the best part.
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Chili.
I know is is still just a stew.
Quote: billryanI'm looking for suggestions on what to do with two pounds of beef stew meat. I'm not making a stew so other ideas are welcome. I took one package and grilled it for a few minutes. Used some as beef tips and sliced the rest to go with melted swiss cheese on a toasted roll. Neither was particularly good. In both trials, the teriyaki sauce was the best part.
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Plan A.
In my experience, beef stew meat is pretty tough. Whatever you do with it, I suggest soaking it in a vinegar-based marinade for a significant amount of time, ideally 24 hours or more in your fridge.
Plan B.
Feed it to your dog.
Plan C.
Donate it to a dog rescue shelter.
Quote: billryanI'm looking for suggestions on what to do with two pounds of beef stew meat.]
I would throw it in the pressure cooker with cabbage and onions and garlic. It will come out nice and tender.
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Sourdough: 130 calories/slice
Whole wheat: 70 calories/ slice
Keto bread: 30 calories/ slice*
Aunt Millie's regular wheat bread is 30 calories a slice but I use their 5 seed bread which adds another 10 calories. There are about 100 calories in one slice of regular whole wheat 5 seed bread. Eating bread was the biggest thing I missed doing Keto and Aunt Millies Bread has really filled a gap for me.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanI'm looking for suggestions on what to do with two pounds of beef stew meat. I'm not making a stew so other ideas are welcome. I took one package and grilled it for a few minutes. Used some as beef tips and sliced the rest to go with melted swiss cheese on a toasted roll. Neither was particularly good. In both trials, the teriyaki sauce was the best part.
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Plan A.
In my experience, beef stew meat is pretty tough. Whatever you do with it, I suggest soaking it in a vinegar-based marinade for a significant amount of time, ideally 24 hours or more in your fridge.
Plan B.
Feed it to your dog.
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I'm thinking of soaking it in diet coke overnight ,and adding it to my pasta less ziti. I was pretty disappointed trying it as beef tips. I buy a box of random meat from a supplier and this is the first time I got stew meat.
Quote: rxwineBtw, when's the last time you saw a PSA about not eating a swollen can of food?
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Been a long while.
I understand that plastic lined machine sealed cans are slightly cleaner than the hand-soldered cans, and there may be some botulinum testing after a hold period in the warehouse before the batch gets shipped to stores.
These process changes may help.
Looks like vomit on toast.Quote: EvenBobAn open face salmon salad sandwich on toasted 1 carb bread. Almost every ingredient here is a superfood because of its anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties. Raw mushrooms, tomato, the chopped up celery and red onion, are all considered superfoods. As is the canned salmon for it's protein and Omega-3 content. Even the smoked paprika and the fresh ground pepper are considered superfoods. This is so good for dinner I'm going to make it twice a week from now on. About 350 calories for the whole thing and almost no carbs. Eating healthy as a senior citizen doesn't have to be drudgery. Substituting saturated fat for healthy fatty fish is easy and tasty. If there was a doctor on this forum he would tell you that as you get older inflammations are your worst enemy and a diet high in inflammatories is a good thing.
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a lot of better groceries sell London Broil in their delis
I just take it home, nuke it and put it open faced over sliced bread
real good for something so quick
don't really like the redness shown in the pic - I nuke it till it's gone
it's about $11 per pound
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I have cut way back on my consumption of saturated fat in things like red meat, cheese, chicken skin, because there is now a definite link between things like saturated fat and trans fat to dementia and Alzheimer's. Yesterday I had a roast beef sandwich but it was deli roast beef that was 95% fat free. Maybe I have a burger once a month now but I'm probably going to give that up totally.
Quote: EvenBobThis is so simple and so good even Drich could have one of his servants make it. Take 2 frozen salmon fillets, put in a huge bowl, put on top one 12 oz bag of cauliflower frozen one 12 oz bag of broccoli frozen. Mix in a liberal amount of lemon pepper and Mesquite seasoning. Add 1/4 cup of water put a heavy plate on top of the bowl and cook in the microwave for 15 minutes. Unbelievably good and simple. And healthy. It's a proven fact the flash frozen food has just as many nutrients as fresh.
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I didnt put enough water. So the fish exploded. But it tasted good.
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I didnt put enough water. So the fish exploded. But it tasted good. ]
I do not understand what you did. If you cook something on a plate it's not going to explode like that unless it's an egg. A piece of fish by itself would be fine.
Source ?Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster_________
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I have cut way back on my consumption of saturated fat in things like red meat, cheese, chicken skin, because there is now a definite link between things like saturated fat and trans fat to dementia and Alzheimer's. Yesterday I had a roast beef sandwich but it was deli roast beef that was 95% fat free. Maybe I have a burger once a month now but I'm probably going to give that up totally.link to original post
Of course trans fat is garbage but I read saturated fat (from grass-fed / organic sources) is great for your health. Eat the chicken skin and all the fat in your steak. Plenty of grass fed butter. And it’s delicious…your body craves it probably because it’s good for you
Quote: billryanI can't imagine choosing to eat the same meal every day.
Millions of people eat the same thing for breakfast everyday their whole lives. Cereal and toast or bacon and eggs or whatever. You want something that's a no-brainer, something you don't have to work at or be creative about, you just make it and eat it. My dad ate oatmeal and toast every day before he went to work for 40 years, on Sundays we might have pancakes. My mother made fried eggs in a hole for us up till we were in high school. We never questioned it or wanted anything else. There was hardly ever cereal in the house because it was too expensive. Eggs and bread were cheap. Eggs in a hole is where you take a piece of white bread and use a glass tumbler to cut out a round hole in the middle of the bread. Put the bread in the greased frying pan and put an egg in the middle & turn it over a few minutes later. Really quite good.
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I do not understand what you did. If you cook something on a plate it's not going to explode like that unless it's an egg. A piece of fish by itself would be fine.link to original post
I cooked cod. Then salmon. Not realizing only butter was left. I think the water keeps the temp low.
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I have cut way back on my consumption of saturated fat in things like red meat, cheese, chicken skin, because there is now a definite link between things like saturated fat and trans fat to dementia and Alzheimer's. Yesterday I had a roast beef sandwich but it was deli roast beef that was 95% fat free. Maybe I have a burger once a month now but I'm probably going to give that up totally.link to original post
Of course trans fat is garbage but I read saturated fat (from grass-fed / organic sources) is great for your health. Eat the chicken skin and all the fat in your steak. Plenty of grass fed butter. And it’s delicious…your body craves it probably because it’s good for youlink to original post
And you need some fat for testosterone. There's some debate that ground red meat is more the culprit of bad health effects than prime cuts.
I see recommendations that 70% of your calories should come from healthy fat
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Google. Try it sometime.
" In a study of more than 1,200 people, researchers show that individuals with higher levels of saturated fats in their blood are more likely to develop dementia, including Alzheimer’s disease."
https://www.brightfocus.org/alzheimers-disease/article/consuming-certain-types-fats-linked-dementia
There is a ton of information out there on the subject. The best thing to do is avoid saturated fat totally, especially if you're over 40.
So something humans have been eating for eons, something we ate throughout evolution…is now bad for us? Makes no senseQuote: EvenBobQuote: Ace2[/qSource ?
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Google. Try it sometime.
" In a study of more than 1,200 people, researchers show that individuals with higher levels of saturated fats in their blood are more likely to develop dementia, including Alzheimer’s disease."
https://www.brightfocus.org/alzheimers-disease/article/consuming-certain-types-fats-linked-dementia
There is a ton of information out there on the subject. The best thing to do is avoid saturated fat totally, especially if you're over 40.link to original post
Quote: Ace2So something humans have been eating for eons, something we ate throughout evolution…is now bad for us? Makes no sense[
It makes perfect sense. Before 1900 heart disease was almost unknown because people died before they were old enough to get it. It wasn't until the twentieth century and people started living longer that heart disease started to show up. There has always been dementia among the elderly in every century but it was looked at as being just another thing that happened when people got old. It wasn't until after World War II and people started living longer and longer that dementia and Alzheimer's started to become a real problem and investigations into it's causes were started. They have suspected a link between saturated fat and dementia and Alzheimer's for at least 25 years but there were no hard facts. But now there are and there is a definite link.
"A total of 8630 participants and 633 cases from four independent prospective cohort studies were included in the present meta-analysis. A higher dietary saturated fat intake was significantly associated with an increased risk of 39% and 105% for Alzheimer's, and dementia 95%, respectively"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29701155/
It's even worse for you if you combine saturated fat with sugary sweet foods and starchy foods. Sure you can eat that stuff in moderation but if it's that bad for you why eat it at all. We have so much to choose from now that's good and good for you. So it's stuff that ourmom never gave you when we were 13, so what. Find other stuff to like.
That is all, no real food for me.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Ace2So something humans have been eating for eons, something we ate throughout evolution…is now bad for us? Makes no sense[
It makes perfect sense. Before 1900 heart disease was almost unknown because people died before they were old enough to get it. It wasn't until the twentieth century and people started living longer that heart disease started to show up. There has always been dementia among the elderly in every century but it was looked at as being just another thing that happened when people got old. It wasn't until after World War II and people started living longer and longer that dementia and Alzheimer's started to become a real problem and investigations into it's causes were started. They have suspected a link between saturated fat and dementia and Alzheimer's for at least 25 years but there were no hard facts. But now there are and there is a definite link.
"A total of 8630 participants and 633 cases from four independent prospective cohort studies were included in the present meta-analysis. A higher dietary saturated fat intake was significantly associated with an increased risk of 39% and 105% for Alzheimer's, and dementia 95%, respectively"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29701155/
It's even worse for you if you combine saturated fat with sugary sweet foods and starchy foods. Sure you can eat that stuff in moderation but if it's that bad for you why eat it at all. We have so much to choose from now that's good and good for you. So it's stuff that ourmom never gave you when we were 13, so what. Find other stuff to like.link to original post
what you say is true - but as in so many things - there is another side to the story
when I was playing ball we were always given beef to eat a couple of hours before a game and IIRC it was always or usually steak
it was widely believed, probably without a lot of substantiation at that time, that eating beef made athletes more aggressive than if they didn't eat beef
it is possible that those who eat meat in general are more aggressive towards a lot of things and are able to do certain things that those who don't eat meat can't do - such as work long hours with a lot of energy
here are a couple of quotes from 2 different links :
"A non-vegetarian diet also has several health benefits because this type of food is rich in protein and vitamin B. Non-vegetarian food strengthens our muscles and helps them grow faster. It also helps to maintain body stamina and hemoglobin."
"A new study based on data from almost 55,000 people – which included 2,000 vegans – has found that those who say no to meat are 43% more likely break a bone.
Published in BMC Medicine, the study, which followed participants for 18 years on average, showed 3,941 fractures occurred in total with the majority of bones breaking in the hip. But perhaps the most startling find was that the risk of fracturing bones was 2.3 times higher for vegans against people who ate meat."
https://www.menshealth.com/uk/health/a34770110/vegans-weaker-than-meat-eaters-study/
https://www.ndtv.com/health/non-veg-vs-veg-diet-which-one-is-better-and-why-1911835
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Hooboy!
Only got half of it down.. I know I've had tiny pieces of it in Chinese dishes for sure and some other cuisine.. But it's a whole new level of experience by itself. For those of you used to eating really spicier foods, this is a yawn. But maybe you remember back before you got used to it. I'll try not to imagine eating a ghost pepper with such lack of resistance to spice.
Fruit Loops for breakfast and you’ve got all food groups coveredQuote: DRichYesterday's sustenance consisted of:
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That is all, no real food for me.
Quote: Ace2Fruit Loops for breakfast and you’ve got all food groups coveredlink to original postQuote: DRichYesterday's sustenance consisted of:
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That is all, no real food for me.
I was very happy to get some fruit in my diet from the dark chocolate banana whiskey.
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It makes perfect sense. Before 1900 heart disease was almost unknown because people died before they were old enough to get it. It wasn't until the twentieth century and people started living longer that heart disease started to show up.
In the 17th 18th and most of the 19th century lifespan in the US was right around 40 for men, a couple more years for women. Then in 1900 it rose to 45 and by 1932 it was up to 60. The medical advances we made in the late eighteen hundreds were huge and processed food became safer to eat so not as many people were dying of food poisoning. In 1900 4% of the United States what's over 65. In 2020 it was 16%. There are a huge number of elderly people now. In the 1800's you could eat as much red meat saturated fat as you wanted because you weren't going to live long enough to pay for it with heart disease and dementia. There was a 90% chance you would die of a myriad of infectious diseases like tuberculosis.
https://www.mercola.com/nutritionplan/beginner_fats.htm
Except:
People have eaten animal products for most of our existence on Earth – the early cavemen were hunter-gatherers who consumed mostly meats and plants. So to suggest that saturated fats are suddenly harmful to us makes no sense, especially from an evolutionary perspective.
The reason why saturated fats have been unfairly demonized for such a long time is due to a flawed study by an influential but misguided scientist, Dr. Ancel Keys, who erroneously linked higher saturated fat intake to higher rates of heart disease. The truth is that saturated fat found naturally in animal and plant sources is not the villain – it’s the trans fats found in margarine, vegetable shortening, and partially hydrogenated vegetable oils used in low-quality products that are to blame. These are the unhealthy fats that you must avoid at all costs
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. There are a huge number of elderly people now. In the 1800's you could eat as much red meat saturated fat as you wanted because you weren't going to live long enough to pay for it with heart disease and dementia. There was a 90% chance you would die of a myriad of infectious diseases like tuberculosis.
The good old days. Eat what you want because you will be dead before it kills you. Lucky bastards.
Generally, lower consumption of food is healthier than over consumption for instance.
In the days right before refrigeration most people didn’t live in cities. And the cities were tiny compared to today. In the days way before refrigeration I assume they ate it as soon as they threw a spear through itQuote: billryanIn the days before refrigeration, how much meat do you think people ate? Were there herds of beef cattle in the major cities? The Passenger Pigeon was once the most populous bird in the United States but it is now extinct because it was a major diet staple of urban Americans
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