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April 26th, 2018 at 12:09:59 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Seriously, who would you vote to be a nicer guy and most trustworthy of anyone in the entertainment business than Bill Cosby, back then?

The guy could have been president.



After everyone found out he raped women?

Grabbed them by the...

Whoops wrong guy
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April 26th, 2018 at 1:45:37 PM permalink
At least he doesn't have a career to ruin anymore.

I still love his old standup. Some of the first comedy I ever listened to.
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April 26th, 2018 at 2:03:19 PM permalink
Why only 10 years? I think he deserves more.
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April 26th, 2018 at 2:33:53 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

After everyone found out he raped women?

Grabbed them by the...

Whoops wrong guy



I guess this is Trump, but Clinton and Reagan both might have been rapists too. Reminded my od this very provocative take on the matter.

https://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/camille_paglia_how_bill_clinton_is_like_bill_cosby/

"These two people, Clinton and Cosby, are emotionally infantile--they're engaged in a war with female power. It has something to do with their early sense of being smothered by female power--and this pathetic, abusive and criminal behavior is the result of their sense of inadequacy."
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April 26th, 2018 at 2:42:14 PM permalink
How many commercials did Cos do for
Jello and Coke, a hundred? You hardly
saw the same one twice. He was the
all American dad icon, squeaky clean
and wholesome.

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April 26th, 2018 at 2:52:00 PM permalink
I’m surprised there’s no comments claiming the women were lying.

I guess some only defend their favorite politicians when it comes to rape.
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April 26th, 2018 at 2:58:04 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I’m surprised there’s no comments claiming the women were lying.

I guess some only defend their favorite politicians when it comes to rape.



Even trumpsters can only bs so much. These days, they need it all to save their noble leader.
Besides, has Rush or Sean weighed in yet? Polly's waiting on their crackers.
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April 27th, 2018 at 5:54:24 AM permalink
About gun laws there needs to be a reasonable compromise. Good people need to be able to use them to protect themselves and their loved ones, they should be able to buy it. For example, I read of a 16 year old whose parents taught her to use the family gun responsibly since they never knew if she would have to save her family one day. And that day came when an armed intruder came into her house and attemoteed to burglarize the house. She said something like,"I have literal kid brothers and sisters and an 80 year old grandmother living in my house. I had to protect them and couldn't take any chances. I used the family gun to protect my family from the armed burglar."

People who will use them to mass murder innocent people should be banned from buying them.
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April 27th, 2018 at 6:04:47 AM permalink
What a brilliant idea. Only sell guns to good people who will only use them wisely.
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April 27th, 2018 at 6:14:10 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

What a brilliant idea. Only sell guns to good people who will only use them wisely.



I think I see a note of sarcasm in your reply, so I will cautiously give a tentative high five. ;)
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April 27th, 2018 at 10:07:42 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I think I see a note of sarcasm in your reply, so I will cautiously give a tentative high five. ;)

I was wondering if that's the first time you ever noticed the sarcasm in someone's reply to you.
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April 27th, 2018 at 10:44:39 AM permalink
First Matt Lauer, now Brokaw. Does NBC
have any Lib journo's that can keep it in
their pants?

MSNBC in Tough Spot as NBC News Legend Tom Brokaw Faces Sex Misconduct Allegations
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 27th, 2018 at 11:11:45 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

First Matt Lauer, now Brokaw. Does NBC
have any Lib journo's that can keep it in
their pants?



I know, right? If only they could take a lesson from all the fine, morally upstanding folks in the conservative media, we wouldn't be having these problems.
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April 27th, 2018 at 11:48:04 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I know, right? If only they could take a lesson from all the fine



Look at Brokaw. First he's outed for making
up stories about his life to embellish his
cred. He gets kicked off the network and
demoted to the dungeon call MS, and now
he's going to lost that gig too. If you made
this up in a book nobody would think it
credible.
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April 27th, 2018 at 11:50:31 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Look at Brokaw. First he's outed for making
up stories about his life to embellish his
cred. He gets kicked off the network and
demoted to the dungeon call MS, and now
he's going to lost that gig too. If you made
this up in a book nobody would think it
credible.



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April 27th, 2018 at 11:53:11 AM permalink
You guys might as well be arguing over which soap opera is better.
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April 27th, 2018 at 11:57:49 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

You guys might as well be arguing over which soap opera is better.



The Edge of Night

Cancelled over 30 years ago :((

Wait does Soap primetime count? Billy Crystal?
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April 27th, 2018 at 12:03:18 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The Edge of Night

Cancelled over 30 years ago :((

Wait does Soap primetime count? Billy Crystal?



Daytime TV back in the day
Only thing I can think of is Dark Shadows
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April 27th, 2018 at 12:55:18 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

You guys might as well be arguing over which soap opera is better.



Double post sorry
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April 27th, 2018 at 1:02:17 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Look at Brokaw. First he's outed for making
up stories about his life to embellish his
cred. He gets kicked off the network and
demoted to the dungeon call MS, and now
he's going to lost that gig too. If you made
this up in a book nobody would think it
credible.



I think you're thinking of another former network anchor, Brian Williams.
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April 27th, 2018 at 2:08:22 PM permalink
Just heard how they tracked down East Side Rapist. I knew it was DNA, but today, they said they used one or more genealogy Sites (Ancestry), and found matches to possible relatives and narrowed it down from there.

Info about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Killer

SO now, you know, if you left any DNA at a crime scene your relatives info may give you up even if you never contributed to such a site. Which I think is the interesting news.
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April 27th, 2018 at 2:12:43 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I think you're thinking of another former network anchor, Brian Williams.



You're right, I got confused, they're
all the same to me. Heads that never
stop talking.
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April 27th, 2018 at 2:14:17 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Info about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Killer.



I was in Calif then, scary it was. Turns
out to be an ex cop, in his 70's now.
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April 27th, 2018 at 2:40:55 PM permalink
They had a guy on the radio that is writing a book about this case. He stated a few weeks ago that improvements in DNA made it likely they would id a suspect. He thought it was someone in law enforcement. He gave an example as how a few weeks after California started using a technique that allowed DNA to be picked up off skin, the perp started wearing gloves. The information was not yet public but was distributed to law enforcement.
I'm curious if he really stopped all these years, or just got better at hiding victims.
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April 27th, 2018 at 5:19:06 PM permalink
Judge Agrees to Delay Stormy Daniels’ Lawsuit Against Trump

This is great news for the Nov elections.
It's a fact that 80% of the public is sick
to death of this non story, and now the
Dems will keep pushing it every day,
right into the Fall. It was scheduled for
July 27th, which means it will be delayed
till Oct. Perfect timing...
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April 27th, 2018 at 6:28:05 PM permalink
Why is it that you believe Cosby is guilty but Trump isn't?
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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April 27th, 2018 at 7:35:53 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Why is it that you believe Cosby is guilty but Trump isn't?



Gee, total lack of evidence of any crimes, maybe?
Ya think?
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April 27th, 2018 at 8:30:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Gee, total lack of evidence of any crimes, maybe?
Ya think?


Both are exactly the same.
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April 27th, 2018 at 8:42:51 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Both are exactly the same.




Not really. Bill Cosby is a rapist. Trump pays women to have sex with him.
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April 27th, 2018 at 8:45:17 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Not really. Bill Cosby is a rapist. Trump pays women to have sex with him.


No. He paid them to shut them up. Maybe Cosby should've done the same.
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April 27th, 2018 at 8:51:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

No. He paid them to shut them up. Maybe Cosby should've done the same.



Actually both men paid women to shut up

Both had depositions that are coming back to haunt them
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April 27th, 2018 at 9:30:10 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Not really. Bill Cosby is a rapist. Trump pays women to have sex with him.



There are still at least 2 people out there who accuse Trump of rape, so maybe not much difference.
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April 28th, 2018 at 12:39:35 AM permalink
Didn't one of them get a trial?
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April 28th, 2018 at 1:18:18 AM permalink
Ex wife Ivanka Trump made a deposition that she was raped by Donald, that she later said she was mistaken.

Knee slap, yeah, doesn't that happen to everyone? Ha ha ha ha.

Happens to everyone, I tell you.
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April 28th, 2018 at 3:04:11 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Info about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Killer

He dropped a notebook indicating in the sixth grade he was subjected to "field trips that were planned and then cancelled", so if I was on the jury I'd give him a pass. I hated that stuff too.
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April 28th, 2018 at 7:53:40 AM permalink
We all know that the only news source that is non bias and trusted by all is The Onion




Heres a funny gambling related article:

Study: 83% Of Gamblers Quit Right Before They Would Have Hit The Big One
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:00:02 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Why is it that you believe Cosby is guilty but Trump isn't?



What he (Cosby) has been convicted of, and he (Trump) has not even been charged with. Unless I missed something NO prosecutor has found ANY convincing evidence that Trump has committed a crime, or he would have been charged, correct? I believe Cosby is guilty of sexual assault. I believe Trump has had extramarital affairs, and paid to have them covered up.
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:02:43 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

There are still at least 2 people out there who accuse Trump of rape, so maybe not much difference.



Oh. In what jurisdiction has he been charged? Are you saying there is EVIDENCE to support the charge? Does the prosecutor in that jurisdiction believe Trump or the accuser? And that is just 'charged'. Let alone convicted.
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:08:05 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Oh. In what jurisdiction has he been charged? Are you saying there is EVIDENCE to support the charge? Does the prosecutor in that jurisdiction believe Trump or the accuser? And that is just 'charged'. Let alone convicted.



Guilty until proven innocent #MeToo
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:45:39 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

What he (Cosby) has been convicted of, and he (Trump) has not even been charged with. Unless I missed something NO prosecutor has found ANY convincing evidence that Trump has committed a crime, or he would have been charged, correct? I believe Cosby is guilty of sexual assault. I believe Trump has had extramarital affairs, and paid to have them covered up.


There is no convincing evidence in either case. Both are nothing more than "he said, she said."
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:23:38 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Judge Agrees to Delay Stormy Daniels’ Lawsuit Against Trump

This is great news for the Nov elections.
It's a fact that 80% of the public is sick
to death of this non story, and now the
Dems will keep pushing it every day,
right into the Fall. It was scheduled for
July 27th, which means it will be delayed
till Oct. Perfect timing...



I like how you keep ignoring the facts in these current events stories....

The judge delayed the CIVIL case against Cohen and Trump so that the CRIMINAL case could play out unhindered.

What's happening is still bad news for Cohen and Trump, so I don't know what you're getting all excited about.
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April 28th, 2018 at 10:25:06 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

NO prosecutor has found ANY convincing evidence that Trump has committed a crime,



Of course he has. He beat the smartest
woman in the world, the poll winner,
the one who had the lock and was such
a shoe in to win she didn't even have
to campaign in places like MI and WI.
He beat the person who 'deserved' to be
president, who had it bought and paid
for.

That's the one and only 'crime' he
committed and he'll pay for it till
2024..
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April 28th, 2018 at 10:33:51 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Oh. In what jurisdiction has he been charged? Are you saying there is EVIDENCE to support the charge?



Evidence, they don't need no stinking
evidence. We were taught in the Clarence
Thomas witch hunt that 'just the accusation
is enough', we don't need to bother with
'evidence'.
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April 28th, 2018 at 11:19:00 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

There is no convincing evidence in either case. Both are nothing more than "he said, she said."



I disagree with you

The cosby prosecution based the opening of the investigation on BILL COSBYS DEPOSITION ADMITTING HIS ACTIONS from the civil suit of the defendant

Thats more like "she said, he agreed" to me
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April 28th, 2018 at 11:36:05 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Of course he has. He beat the smartest
woman in the world, the poll winner,
the one who had the lock and was such
a shoe in to win she didn't even have
to campaign in places like MI and WI.
He beat the person who 'deserved' to be
president, who had it bought and paid
for.



The election was a year and a half ago. Hillary lost. Get over it.
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April 28th, 2018 at 1:56:29 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I disagree with you

The cosby prosecution based the opening of the investigation on BILL COSBYS DEPOSITION ADMITTING HIS ACTIONS from the civil suit of the defendant

Thats more like "she said, he agreed" to me




I am wondering if Bill had said" I plead the fifth" would he have even been found guilty today. :/
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April 28th, 2018 at 2:15:54 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I am wondering if Bill had said" I plead the fifth" would he have even been found guilty today. :/



Thats not an option in a civil suit deposition

He has to answer or be found in contempt when a judge orders him to answer

Its precisely why michael cohen had to go tp court to assert the necessity of pleading the fifth in the stormy daniels civil suit. The argument being the ongoing criminal trial would have his 5th amendment rights violated if he was compelled to testimony in the civil deposition

In cosbys case he was assured by the DA that no criminal charges would be brought so he was deposed under oath

The new DA said that agreement if it existed was verbal and not something his office would be held too. That also went to court but Cosby lost due to other evidence as well as that lack of written agreement
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April 28th, 2018 at 2:19:23 PM permalink
America's Prison Dad.
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April 28th, 2018 at 2:25:59 PM permalink
As reported by Lauer and Brokaw..... and others.....
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April 28th, 2018 at 2:53:11 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Thats not an option in a civil suit deposition

He has to answer or be found in contempt when a judge orders him to answer

Its precisely why michael cohen had to go tp court to assert the necessity of pleading the fifth in the stormy daniels civil suit. The argument being the ongoing criminal trial would have his 5th amendment rights violated if he was compelled to testimony in the civil deposition

In cosbys case he was assured by the DA that no criminal charges would be brought so he was deposed under oath

The new DA said that agreement if it existed was verbal and not something his office would be held too. That also went to court but Cosby lost due to other evidence as well as that lack of written agreement


I do not understand how you can be compelled to confess in a civil suit, and then that is turned around and used as criminal evidence.
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