I personally think that there would be much less mass shootings and terrorist attacks nowadays if the media didn't give them so much exposure and coverage. After the latest report of a man in a van in Canada who killed innocent people just standing on the curb, literally one day after a man opened fire on a few innocent people just eating at a Waffle House(Thank God he was stopped by a quick thinking customer who wrestled him or something like that when he stopped to reload or he definitely would have shot more people. The customer said he has been hailed as a hero but admits he wasn't planning to be a hero he was actually thinking of saving his own life saying something like,"I refused to be another dead person in yet another mass shooting. I was not having this guy kill me." I imagine his words might turn on him soon. )
Nicholas Cruz shot up 17 innocent people, many of them sadly, young teenagers, who just wanted to go home and enjoy their Valentine's day gifts.
It's so sad that these mass shootings/Terrorist attacks used to be few and far between but now they are happening what seems daily/weekly/monthly. Mass shooters and terrorist know they will be talked about intensively so they are more inclined to do it. It was reported that a mass shooter admitted he did it because he knew he would become infamous. Sad.
The media reports what people want to read about
Say the next terrorist attack.
One network covers it and one doesn't
Who will get the eyeballs
Whoever reports on what people want to read about and therefore increase ad dollars
Its just reality
Quote: TigerWuIf it bleeds, it leads.
Sad. Reminds me of a messed up version of Dirty Laundry by Don Henley.
Quote: beachbumbabsWe don't have a politics thread on purpose. We have too many already. And they're way too divisive.
Could you change my thread to "Current Events?" Then? :) Current Events is what I wanted to call this thread in the first place but decided to add/mention"Politics" as an afterthought. ;) But for some strange reason, I put Politics before Current Events when the words really should have been reversed. ;)
Quote: terapinedThe media is simply a reflection of the people
The media reports what people want to read about
Say the next terrorist attack.
One network covers it and one doesn't
Who will get the eyeballs
Whoever reports on what people want to read about and therefore increase ad dollars
Its just reality
Not exactly. The media report what they want the people to see. It's not like it used to be where the media was independent and honest. Now almost all media have bias toward one side or the other and report what fits their agenda. You're fooling yourself if you think they are a reflection of anything other than what makes them money.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Not exactly. The media report what they want the people to see. It's not like it used to be where the media was independent and honest. Now almost all media have bias toward one side or the other and report what fits their agenda. You're fooling yourself if you think they are a reflection of anything other than what makes them money.
ZCore13
Yep. Terapined had it backwards. I agree with what you say, except "agenda" can transcend money.
Quote: Zcore13Not exactly. The media report what they want the people to see. It's not like it used to be where the media was independent and honest. Now almost all media have bias toward one side or the other and report what fits their agenda. You're fooling yourself if you think they are a reflection of anything other than what makes them money.
ZCore13
I dont even think the YouTube shooting was on the news for longer than 8 hours
Quote: GlenGI dont even think the YouTube shooting was on the news for longer than 8 hours
Cops get shot through a restaraunt window, CNN gives it a couple hours a day for a couple days. Cops shoot a guy that breaks into cars, breaks down an old ladies back door while she's in the house, runs into a dark backyard while being chased by police, takes a shooting stance with what looks like could be a gun and then gets shot and CNN plays that story for 12 hours a day for a week straight.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Not exactly. The media report what they want the people to see. It's not like it used to be where the media was independent and honest. Now almost all media have bias toward one side or the other and report what fits their agenda. You're fooling yourself if you think they are a reflection of anything other than what makes them money.
ZCore13
Isn't that the way capitalism works? You vote with your feet supposedly. How should it work?
Who is going to pay for the news then?
How could it possibly work otherwise? Is there some system where you get all the news and someone is not paying for it so you can get a wider distribution of different news items?
I'd consider it faulty if I knew how to set it up differently. The people that cover the costs get the kind of news they want.
Quote: rxwineIsn't that the way capitalism works? You vote with your feet supposedly. How should it work?
Who is going to pay for the news then?
How could it possibly work otherwise? Is there some system where you get all the news and someone is not paying for it so you can get a wider distribution of different news items?
I'd consider it faulty if I knew how to set it up differently. The people that cover the costs get the kind of news they want.
You must not be old enough to know how news used to be.
ZCore13
CNN and Fox News are not news. They are 100% entertainment and political opinion that people suck up as fact as long as they agree with it.
Could you imagine if Walter Cronkite reported a political news story and then continued to tell the audience how he personally felt about it?
Quote: gamerfreakFun fact - prior to 1987 the FCC had something called the fairness doctrine, which required broadcast news networks to present information in a way that was honest, equitable, and balanced (as decided by the FCC).
CNN and Fox News are not news. They are 100% entertainment and political opinion that people suck up as fact as long as they agree with it.
Could you imagine if Walter Cronkite reported a political news story and then continued to tell the audience how he personally felt about it?
Yup. That was real news. There are very few real sources of news these days. 95% or more is TNX versions of news.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Not exactly. The media report what they want the people to see. It's not like it used to be where the media was independent and honest. Now almost all media have bias toward one side or the other and report what fits their agenda. You're fooling yourself if you think they are a reflection of anything other than what makes them money.
ZCore13
Sounds eerily similar to the casino and gaming industry. Bunch of immoral and pathetic people selling their souls for a dollar. Must be hard to look at themselves in the mirror when theyre 65 looking backing at their pathetic lives and that something as simple as a piece of paper with some ink written on it could control their lives to the point they lost all of their ethics and morals.
People today dont realize how pathetic everyone is. Bring me back to the stone age before any corrupt governments were created as well as a society that is completely superficial and lacks any substance whatsoever to being a decent human being. 99.9% of society doesnt realize once they reach their retirement or grow old, that this 'dream' of making money is nothing but a complete illusion and is worthless. Good luck taking your millions to the grave when you grow old and croak.
Quote: PokerGrinderI’m not all rainbows and butterflies but damn ZK you are so negative lol. Doesn’t it bring you down to be always looking for the crap end of everything? I’m not taking a dig at you I’m being serious. I used to be extremely negative and realized that I was putting so much effort into it that I was miserable. It wasn’t worth it.
This is another problem in society how you just reacted. You got so many people brainwashed to think 'positively' that they are so blinded by all the garbage in front of them. This isnt about being 'negative', it's the truth around us. The ones who are all unicorns and rainbows and abide by this so called 'positive mindset' are actually the main problem because they do nothing to help this society move forward. Im far from a 'negative' person. What people dont understand is there is a huge difference between being 'negative' and living in reality.
The fact is this society is trash. Just look around you, people cant even cross the street with their head down glued to their phone. Walk into a restaurant, families cant even talk to each other without being glued to their phones. Governments are corrupt, casinos are corrupt, people and institutions only care about the paper in their wallets that doesnt even have any intrinsic value other than the ink printed on it and sacrifice any morals and ethics just to get ahead for their own agenda. Governments bombing innocent people in 3rd world countries for their own profit and agenda motives. No one knows shit about their constitution, but know everything about these pointless celebrities who contribute nothing to the world other than being a pathetic and fake individual that only influences more and more fake people to be like them.
But yeah, im the 'negative' one. Or maybe im just the only one that sees how reality really is. Take off those rose colored unicorn rainbow glasses and wake up.
Quote: Zcore13You must not be old enough to know how news used to be.
ZCore13
Unfortunately no.
However, it appears to me the news system evolved into the profit driven system. If this spoiled what used to be, and if that is a problem, then how do you fix it?
Also, I would note, I think it was inevitable.
You don't have to answer that, I'm just pointing out something.
Quote: ZenKinGYeah, im the 'negative' one.
You are, ZK.
99% of your posts are either bitching about the gambling industry or straight up conspiracy theories.
I don't know what you're like in person, but on this forum, YOU are part of the problem you claimed to be so attuned to.
Your antics were amusing for a while but now you're just plain annoying. I don't need hateful and negative people like you in my life, so I'm just going to block you so I can better enjoy this forum.
Have a nice life, and I hope your Blackjack game gets better.
Quote: ZenKinGSounds eerily similar to the casino and gaming industry. Bunch of immoral and pathetic people selling their souls for a dollar. Must be hard to look at themselves in the mirror when theyre 65 looking backing at their pathetic lives and that something as simple as a piece of paper with some ink written on it could control their lives to the point they lost all of their ethics and morals.
People today dont realize how pathetic everyone is. Bring me back to the stone age before any corrupt governments were created as well as a society that is completely superficial and lacks any substance whatsoever to being a decent human being. 99.9% of society doesnt realize once they reach their retirement or grow old, that this 'dream' of making money is nothing but a complete illusion and is worthless. Good luck taking your millions to the grave when you grow old and croak.
Are you going to do this in every thread now, no matter the topic? Ridiculous.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Are you going to do this in every thread now, no matter the topic? Ridiculous.
ZCore13
Divas are going to diva.
Quote: gamerfreak
Could you imagine if Walter Cronkite reported a political news story and then continued to tell the audience how he personally felt about it?
Walter Cronkite, one of the biggest liars and bias artists in all of fake news history.
It's not a new phenomenon. If you don't already know who Walter Duranty was, try googling "Walter Duranty New York Times Pulitizer Prize What a wonderful guy Stalin was". And don't worry about being too young to remember this, no one on this board is old enough to remember this.
air like they are now. They simply
ignored stories that didn't fit their
agenda and pushed those that did.
Hearst did this 100 years ago in his
newspapers. Unbiased news reporting
has never existed and never will. They
just don't bother trying to hide it
anymore.
Quote: EvenBobOld newscasters weren't biased on the
air like they are now.
Does lying count as being biased?
Quote: bobbartopDoes lying count as being biased?
Nobody ever became a journalist to just
parrot the news of the day. They want
to influence and change things with
their own agenda. Even if it's only leaving
out what they don't like so people
never hear about it.
Quote: EvenBobUnbiased news reporting
has never existed and never will.
That's not because of any kind of political agenda, it's simply because unbiased news reporting is literally impossible from a practical standpoint.*
There is only so much news that a newspaper or news broadcast can cover. No matter what they cover, someone can claim that the news agency is "biased against" whatever subjects they were forced to leave out due to time or space constraints.
There is too much news going on in the world at any given moment. It is impossible to cover it all, even with 24 hr news channels.
(*Obviously there are politically biased news outlets, I'm just speaking in a general sense with regards to bias.)
Quote: TigerWuThat's not because of any kind of political agenda, it's simply because unbiased news reporting is literally impossible from a practical standpoint.
It's impossible from a human standpoint.
You cannot separate who you are and
what your agenda is from what you report.
Look at the New Testament. They got together
and took all the hundreds of different books
that had been written, and carefully chose
just the ones that fit their closed agenda. All
the others ended up on the editing floor.
What's changed since then. Nothing.
/sarcasm
Quote: TigerWuThat's not because of any kind of political agenda, ...
No, of course not. Walter Duranty and the NYTimes telling us what a swell guy Stalin is is not a political agenda at all. Thirteen articles, 1931, Stalin is wonderful, Pulitzer Prize. lol
You kids kill me.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, Nathan, THIS group of people needed THIS thread. Thanks so much.
/sarcasm
Yeah, thanks Nathan. Made my day.
Quote: bobbartopNo, of course not. Walter Duranty and the NYTimes telling us what a swell guy Stalin is is not a political agenda at all. Thirteen articles, 1931, Stalin is wonderful, Pulitzer Prize. lol
I just recently read that Stalin killed 93%
of his own officers in WWII because they
pissed him off. 84 of them were generals.
Quote: bobbartopNo, of course not. Walter Duranty and the NYTimes telling us what a swell guy Stalin is is not a political agenda at all. Thirteen articles, 1931, Stalin is wonderful, Pulitzer Prize. lol
You kids kill me.
Hopefully no believes lying and agendas just started in the last few decades. Whether they were always as common or less common in the news is another debate.
Although, it's a myth that you always need a head honcho to order the news department to report news a certain way, or exclude stories that don't meet an agenda. You can just screen your hires very carefully and handpick your people for the agenda they already came in with.
Quote: EvenBobI just recently read that Stalin killed 93%
of his own officers in WWII because they
pissed him off. 84 of them were generals.
Why is it the people who cry fake news are the same ones that post the stuff?
93% huh? I'm sure you have a legit source for this nonsensical claim.
Just to show you how nonsensical this is, the US Army is perhaps one tenth the size that the Soviet Army was during WW2. If Trump killed 93% of his generals, it would be over 270 people killed.
EvenBob seems to think the Russians won WW2 with less than one hundred generals.
Sometimes, when you read something that simply defies logic, take a minute and think about it before quoting it.
When we studied the Soviet Purge of the Military, The US Intelligence Agencies best assessment was that less than ten percent of Soviet Officers were purged and about half of those were killed.
Quote: billryanWhy is it the people who cry fake news are the same ones that post the stuff?
93% huh? I'm sure you have a legit source for this nonsensical claim.
93% ranked Lt General and above.
Stalin had executed at least 65,000 officers, including 13 of 15 generals of the army, 93 percent of all officers ranked lieutenant general and above, and 58 percent of all officers ranked colonel through major general. Ironically, one of the few senior commanders to survive, Dimitri Pavlov, would be executed within days of Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union because of incompetence.
After the war started, Germany was equally hard on general officers. During the course of the war, Hitler executed 84 German generals, and another 135 generals were killed in action.
http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/u-s-military-generals-in-world-war-ii/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purge_of_the_Red_Army_in_1941#1941_Purge
Quote: GlenGI dont even think the YouTube shooting was on the news for longer than 8 hours
Non-white woman used a handgun. Doesn't fit the narrative.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, Nathan, THIS group of people needed THIS thread. Thanks so much.
/sarcasm
LMAO. I really wanted a thread to talk about Current Events. :D
Quote: Zcore13You must not be old enough to know how news used to be.
ZCore13
Watching the news in most other countries is mind blowing.
You can hear the bbc on the radio here sometimes. The best example was when they discussed ebola. They did about 5 mins on why it would not spread easily in first world countries and we shouldn't worry.
At the same time, our "news" was running as many intentionally misleading stories as tjey could drim up in order to generate fear and profit.
Quote: FaceNon-white woman used a handgun. Doesn't fit the narrative.
Nobody died.
Quote: bobbartopNo, of course not. Walter Duranty and the NYTimes telling us what a swell guy Stalin is is not a political agenda at all. Thirteen articles, 1931, Stalin is wonderful, Pulitzer Prize. lol
You kids kill me.
Sorry, I haven't been a "kid" in decades, and you either missed or ignored my caveat, or maybe I just wasn't clear, so I'll post it again:
(*Obviously there are politically biased news outlets, I'm just speaking in a general sense with regards to bias.)
That is: biased news outlets OBVIOUSLY exist, but I was responding to Evenbob's claim in that there are other reasons besides political agenda that bias exists.
years ago, around 1900. Muckraking
was digging up bad stories about a
company or politician, or just totally
making up stories.
The favorite thing to do was take a
few facts, and embellish the hell out
the story to make it look 10 times
worse than it was.
One of the best examples was The
Jungle, by Sinclair Lewis. He got
the facts about the meat packing
business in Chicago, embellished
it to the n'th degree, and the book
was instrumental for congress passing
Pure Food and Drug Act. And that
wasn't even the authors intention
in writing it.
Quote: TigerWuSorry, I haven't been a "kid" in decades, and you either missed or ignored my caveat, or maybe I just wasn't clear, so I'll post it again:
(*Obviously there are politically biased news outlets, I'm just speaking in a general sense with regards to bias.)
That is: biased news outlets OBVIOUSLY exist, but I was responding to Evenbob's claim in that there are other reasons besides political agenda that bias exists.
I didn't miss the caveat, just the point.
Quote: ZenKinGThis is another problem in society how you just reacted. You got so many people brainwashed to think 'positively' that they are so blinded by all the garbage in front of them. This isnt about being 'negative', it's the truth around us. The ones who are all unicorns and rainbows and abide by this so called 'positive mindset' are actually the main problem because they do nothing to help this society move forward. Im far from a 'negative' person. What people dont understand is there is a huge difference between being 'negative' and living in reality.
The fact is this society is trash. Just look around you, people cant even cross the street with their head down glued to their phone. Walk into a restaurant, families cant even talk to each other without being glued to their phones. Governments are corrupt, casinos are corrupt, people and institutions only care about the paper in their wallets that doesnt even have any intrinsic value other than the ink printed on it and sacrifice any morals and ethics just to get ahead for their own agenda. Governments bombing innocent people in 3rd world countries for their own profit and agenda motives. No one knows shit about their constitution, but know everything about these pointless celebrities who contribute nothing to the world other than being a pathetic and fake individual that only influences more and more fake people to be like them.
But yeah, im the 'negative' one. Or maybe im just the only one that sees how reality really is. Take off those rose colored unicorn rainbow glasses and wake up.
There is good in the world ZK but you seem dead set on focusing on the bad. You do you man, I’m obviously not going to change your mind.
Quote: bobbartopI didn't miss the caveat, just the point.
Wham. That was so succinct it made me laugh.
I think TigerWu's point is well-taken, myself.
But I also differentiate between political issues and those dragged into politics where they don't belong. Like most hot-button topics. You may think everything is political, and these days, you could be correct, sadly.
But other, better-segregated reasons might be that a report could be skewed because of
its target audience and their expectations.
impact to major advertisers.
the network news manager's preferences.
To reflect the sensibilities of the local community
To win ratings during weeks used to determine future advertising rates
As a higher calling or standard, or public service.
Broadcast News is a movie that came out about 30 years ago, just as everything changed. It's worth re-watching just to listen to what the industry people are saying among themselves. It's all come true with a vengeance.
Quote: terapinedCOSBY GUILTY
This is so weird. If there was ONE person in the world I would have trusted with my daughter, it would have been Dr.Huxtable.
WHY? Why, Bill? Why? You freak.
Quote: RigondeauxNobody died.
She did.
But point made. Quip rescinded.
Quote: bobbartopThis is so weird. If there was ONE person in the world I would have trusted with my daughter, it would have been Dr.Huxtable.
WHY? Why, Bill? Why? You freak.
The prosecutor demanded that bail be revoked because Cosby has a plane
Cosby stood up in a loud booming voice and called the prosecutor an a**hole
Bail was not revoked
Quote: bobbartopThis is so weird. If there was ONE person in the world I would have trusted with my daughter, it would have been Dr.Huxtable.
Look what he's done to his own family.
His many kids will never live this down,
for the rest of their lives every day will
be spent dealing with shame.
Who but a sociopath would ruin so
many victims lives and his families
lives, just to indulge in his twisted
fantasies. No empathy, no holding
back because others will suffer. Only
a sociopath does this.
Quote: EvenBobLook what he's done to his own family.
His many kids will never live this down,
for the rest of their lives every day will
be spent dealing with shame.
Who but a sociopath would ruin so
many victims lives and his families
lives, just to indulge in his twisted
fantasies. No empathy, no holding
back because others will suffer. Only
a sociopath does this.
I saw him live at an auditorium when I was a KID. He had the Fat Albert character and everything, he was everyone's comedienne, a clean cut guy, everybody loved him. Then remember the I Spy Show? That was like 1965! I remember it well. Scotty and Kelly (Robert Culp - RIP), traveling spies posing as tennis bums. Good show.
I seem to remember, in I Spy, Robert Culp always got the girl. Scotty never got no action. Like in Star Trek, William Shatner fell in love on EVERY PLANET. How many babes did Spock get?
When the Huxtables came on the scene, (in what, the 80s?), Cosby was huge, on top of the world. Wtf is wrong with him? Seriously, who would you vote to be a nicer guy and most trustworthy of anyone in the entertainment business than Bill Cosby, back then? The guy could have been president.