Gun Promoters No Place to Hide Now

Quote: terapined

Yup
These teens are playing hard ball.
It was a weak self serving apology and the teens are milking it.
Smart
Keeps them in the news

Quote: Boz

I almost miss the old days when all you had to do was kiss Jesse Jacksons's ass and you were good to go.

Quote: darkoz

Its funny when republicans talk about dems living in the past

Favorite names brought up by republicans

Bill clinton
Jesse jackson
Ronald reagan

Quote: darkoz

The interesting thing is if any rich corporate billionaire is a deep-state operative it would be donald trump

I dont know why poor and middle class working people feel a born millionaire turned billionaire through lying corporate bankruptcies and money laundering is one of them

Why do evangelists believe a wife cheating multiple marriage woman crotch grabbing lying pornstar sleeping and bribing guy is one of them

This will probably be one of socio-politics main studies for the next 100 years

Quote: ams288

Add Hillary to that list as well.

Quote: billryan

It takes a mighty big man to insult high school kids.

Quote: billryan

It takes a mighty big man to insult high school kids.

Quote: Boz

Thanks Billy if that iis ntended for me. I do believe I am “bigger” than you in multiple ways. Perhaps we have a new challenge for the Spring Fling. But I don’t think we can do it at McDonalds.

And just to make sure I understand you, are high school aged shooters off limits to insults or just tools of the left like Camera?

Quote: darkoz

Not Camera Hogg. Hes off limits

Only Boz Hogg :)

Dukes of hazzard making america great again

Quote: Boz

Face it America is f'd.

Quote: TigerWu

I think mass shooters use the AR-15 because it's "sexy."

The military adopted it, the Vietnam War popularized it, and so did movies and TV after that (in America), which led to it being mass-produced for the public. It's effectiveness is just a side-effect. I don't think mass shooters are saying to themselves "I'll use the AR-15 because it can cycle rounds with X force and blah blah blah." They're using it because that's what they know, because that's how that weapon has evolved in our culture.

Quote: boymimbo

I'll address this. In and of itself, the folks (school children) advocating for the reduction of gun violence do not understand the very low likelihood of it happening. Nonetheless, given the actions that Americans have taken to do things like prevent people from poisoning tylenol bottles, from getting on planes with bombs made from bottles of Aquafina or Adidas, reacting to the bombing of the WTC with two wars costing trillions of dollars, and the "war on drugs", my experience of living in America is a population that lives in fear and in a heightened state of anxiety.

The fear, I think, comes from a 24 hour news cycle, from extremist politics on both sides and a declining society where the rich keep getting richer and the poor and middle class are finding it harder to reach the American dream, whatever the hell that is. What is it, anyway? A white picket fence? Home ownership? Free porn? A rifle collection? I dunno. Anyone who watches live TV gets a dose of things that are supposed to make you happy. Anyway, back to fear.

So the fear drives the 2A right nuts and it drives the repeal folks too. Fear that the government wants to do away with your guns. Fear that at any moment, you might get attacked by a home invasion. Fear that your school is next. The same people who cry out that the odds of a school shooting are so low also neglect the fact that the odds of having to use your gun to protect yourself are equally as low.

Quote: Harold Holzer

It is the newspaper's duty to print the news and raise hell

Quote: SOOPOO

Just like here, you should attack the message and not the messenger.

But I think the high schoolers who are putting themselves out there in the public arena forfeit the 'protection' that many here want to afford them because they are youngsters.

Quote: terapined

I don't think any high school student should be bullied simply for their political views
Attack the message but not the messenger
I totally support MSD HS Survivor David Hogg's free speech speaking for gun control
I am totally against bullying David Hogg simply for his political views
I totally support MSD HS Survivor Kyle Kushov's free speech speaking against gun control
I am totally against bullying Kyle Kushov simply for his political views

Quote: SOOPOO

I actually am really not that interested in this, and haven't followed it at all except here on WoV, but how exactly have these young men been "bullied'? Or is your definition of 'bullying' someone else's exercising their first amendment rights?

Quote: SOOPOO

I actually am really not that interested in this, and haven't followed it at all except here on WoV, but how exactly have these young men been "bullied'? Or is your definition of 'bullying' someone else's exercising their first amendment rights?

Quote: 777

Let’s take a quick look at this rambling from Paradign,

Quote: Paradigm

The kids don't get the ball over the goal line for any logical person just because they suffered a tragedy...while every rational person hurts for them and the nightmare they endured, that doesn't make those same kids any smarter about what can be improved with regard to gun legislation and how to get it accomplished. If a life tragedy makes you smarter about a subject, why aren't we putting the survivors of the FIU bridge collapse on TV telling us how to build better bridges and listening to them about new construction regulations? Because putting David and Emma up on stage shouting ridiculous statements and standing in silence for a some meaningful period of time makes for good TV & a good news cycle...if your in to that sort of thing...or if the ratings will make your network $$.

Quote: 777

WFT! I don’t see any common sense, coherent & intelligent in the rambling above. Frankly, all I see from the rambling above is a message with full of anger and idiocy, I have no idea why a bridge collapse has anything to do with the heroic action demanding gun regulations taken up by the kids, who by the way are not expert in assault weapons.

Quote: discflicker

I am seeing a lot of rumblings about this Hogg kid... I'm not sure how much of it is true--


--His father is an FBI agent, and he was involved with the shooter months before the shootings took place... he was on the team that investigated him when he was spouting off on social media.

--His mother works for CNN and supposedly, she is the one who is coaching her son when he speaks to the press.

--He was on CBS 6 months before the shooting in a police hostility incident on a Florida beach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQRgYGHXshY
3m 40s
Honestly, what are the odds that a kid gets on CBS and then 6 months later becomes a public activist all over CNN, when his mother works for CNN??

-He first said that he was in the school when the shootings took place and then later, he changed his story and said that he was at home when the shootings took place.

-He doesn't look like he's 18, he looks a lot older and speaks like he's 28.


All of this seems too coincidental to pass my smell test. Am i just paranoid?

Quote: billryan

Paranoid isn't the first word that comes to mind.

Hogg Sr retired from the FBI in 2014, and was based in LA so the chances of him being on a task force in
Florida in 2017 are pretty slim.
His Mother is a teacher and doesn't work for CNN.
He shot a youtube video months before the shooting. Horrors.
The nonsense about his changing story comes from faux News and has already been discredited
How long do you suppose this 28 year old actor has been playing an 18 year old? Five years? Ten?

Quote: billryan

Laura is taking the week off, as more advertisers bail on her show. Thankfully, most Americans have enough class not to engage in name calling with a bunch of kids. Then you have bozos like Ted Nugent, desperately trying to stay relevant in a world that h as passed them by.

Quote: gamerfreak

Donald Trump did not convince the lower/middle working class or the evangelicals to like him, he convinced them to absolutely HATE HRC/Liberals to such an extreme that those people will excuse anything and everything Trump does because “it’s still better than Hillary”. Have you ever talked to Trump supporter who did not use HRC as their primary argument?

And that’s why conservatives will not shut up about Hillary. That’s why they bully and defame school shooting survivors. If they lose the liberal boogeyman, they lose their only means to get voters to excuse disgusting behavior.

Quote: discflicker

I am seeing a lot of rumblings about this Hogg kid... I'm not sure how much of it is true--


--His father is an FBI agent, and he was involved with the shooter months before the shootings took place... he was on the team that investigated him when he was spouting off on social media.

--His mother works for CNN and supposedly, she is the one who is coaching her son when he speaks to the press.

--He was on CBS 6 months before the shooting in a police hostility incident on a Florida beach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQRgYGHXshY
3m 40s
Honestly, what are the odds that a kid gets on CBS and then 6 months later becomes a public activist all over CNN, when his mother works for CNN??

-He first said that he was in the school when the shootings took place and then later, he changed his story and said that he was at home when the shootings took place.

-He doesn't look like he's 18, he looks a lot older and speaks like he's 28.


All of this seems too coincidental to pass my smell test. Am i just paranoid?

Quote: Face

IBUT.... the risk is simply too great. When I recall other nations who have underwent a disarmament, when I recall 1943 and the internment of Asian AMERICANS, when I recall 1960 and the theft of my grandfathers land that now sits in mud under 75' of water, when I recall 1993 and the barricade and confiscation of Seneca Nation land and property, when I recall the theft of land for the Rt219 extension, when I recall DAPL, when I see American values trampled under disgusting smoke and mirrors like the Patriot Act, when I see We the People being diluted under s#$% like Citizens United, when I see PAC's, SuperPac's, and special interests having faaaaar too great of an influence, when I see terrifyingly rapid expansion of wealth disparity, when I see unattainable rampant spending into debt that is a whole percentage point of the entire world's wealth, when I see mega wealth trumping every sense of fairness, decency, and righteousness...

Quote: Paradigm

It is pretty simple, here's the breakdown...The gun regulation crowd is asking America to listen to survivors of the MSD tragedy for direction/input on how to change gun regulation. If we aren't asking the survivors of the FIU bridge collapse for their input on how to change bridge construction regulation and we don't ask passenger survivors of commercial airplane crashes for their input on new ATC regulation/protocols, why are we listening to David Hogg et al on what should be done about gun regulations?

I'll wait 3 days for a response as I see YOUR "anger" got you in trouble...again! Mental note, using the term "idiocy" directly referenced to an member doesn't qualify as an insult, good to know!

Quote: rxwine

I wouldn't really care if you had M240s in each corner of your house, as long as they were fixed on permanent swivels steel posted into the foundation and perhaps fortified from removal in additional ways.

Quote: terapined

It doesn't pass the smell test because its ALL TOTAL BS
Come Boz, you just go to the conspiracy sites and just reprint their BS?

The mother never worked for CNN.
This is a no brainer with an easy google search
I am not going to address the rest of the lies because they are lies.

If you are gonna post BS lies like the Mom worked for CNN. The least you can do is provide a source for the lie.
I personally took the CNN tour
The Grateful Dead were playing next door at the Omni
Because I took the same tour as David Hoggs family, that makes me a CNN employee?
Please
Just the set the record straight. If you take the CNN tour and take pictures, that does not make you an employee of CNN
By the way, its a pretty neat tour
You can sit at an anchors desk and take pictures
Be careful, you snap that pic and Boz will accuse you of working for CNN lol

Quote: Boz

That's not my post, I don't believe that conspiracy BS.

What I posted came from his mouth.

Quote: terapined

sorry
Don't know how I got you mixed up with this
Is it that' I am starting to worry about our bet now That Kim is able to leave the country :-)

Quote: discflicker

As far as Hogg being there or not at the time of the shooting, here is just one of hundreds of reports that say he changed his story, and what he says here, in his own words, doesn't make sense...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxn66Jsfvxo

Quote: TigerWu

I want a WWI trench system running round my house and a No Man's Land between that and the city streets.

Quote: discflicker

[. I have seen the photos of the CNN tour and agree that might be why she is being described as a CNN employee. I'm still researching it because I've seen a website that describes her as a CNN VIP. I am having problems using google to research this for some reason.

Quote: Boz

Love your definition of class. This to me is a classy kid.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/david-hogg-wild/

So in the last day you brought my mother into it and questioned what kind of big man I am. I assume that also falls under your definition.

Class act there my friend, class act indeed.

Quote: TigerWu

He hasn't changed his story. That quote is taken out of context by people wanting to malign him.

Hogg was in school during the attack. There is even video that he shot of everyone hiding and he's talking to people while it's going on. After the shooting was over and people went home, he came back hours later to document what was still going on. That's what he's talking about in that interview you linked to.

This is simple research that conspiracy theorists are refusing to do to obfuscate the issue and make everything worse. The information is out there but they're ignoring it because they have an agenda to push, too.

Quote: billryan

You're blind. Baby, you can't see. You need to wear some glasses like DMC, you're blind.

Grown man ridiculing a kid because of his name. When you cant attack the message, attack the messengers. As you seem confused, allow me to point out that I was commenting on what a small person you are. Neither big or even man came to mind. Juvenile did. As did punk, but I think my choice of words was pretty appropriate.

Quote: discflicker

Would it be unreasonable to say that, in the past, whole nations have attacked other nations by drugging them, for example, the entire country of China being hooked on opium, care of the British government? No, it is a fact.

Quote: discflicker

[qterapined]
HOWEVER, David Hogg is DEFINITELY directing the focus of this tragedy away from the real cause, which is the psychotropic drugs the shooter was taking that caused him to do it in the first place. Also, he's directing the focus away from the police that were there and could've helped. I do not believe that he is for real because he is following the exact mainstream media narrative that we see every time a mass shooting occurs. NEARLY EVERY TIME, PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS ARE THE CAUSE. That is the fact that Hogg and the MSM are hiding from us. I now believe that Hogg is a coached and coerced victim, at least, and yes, a professional actor at worst.

Quote: petroglyph

HSBC bank was deemed the only Bank for drug profits of the opium trade, by British monarchy. https://www.taxjustice.net/2015/02/27/hsbc-and-the-worlds-oldest-drug-cartel/ They were also busted for global drug profit money laundering and each time convicted, only pay a token fine for laundering 500 B per year of illegal drug money. It's not even a secret, where cartel money goes to get cleaned.

I did have a link between the Sackler family [of oxycontin/perdue fame] and HSBC bank, but it went into the memory hole somewhere?

Quote: boymimbo

Quote: discflicker

[qterapined]
HOWEVER, David Hogg is DEFINITELY directing the focus of this tragedy away from the real cause, which is the psychotropic drugs the shooter was taking that caused him to do it in the first place. Also, he's directing the focus away from the police that were there and could've helped. I do not believe that he is for real because he is following the exact mainstream media narrative that we see every time a mass shooting occurs. NEARLY EVERY TIME, PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS ARE THE CAUSE. That is the fact that Hogg and the MSM are hiding from us. I now believe that Hogg is a coached and coerced victim, at least, and yes, a professional actor at worst.

I'd like to point out that psychotropic drugs actually help millions of Americans feel better and are necessary for people with mental health functions to be well enough to handle themselves, recognize their behavior, and with some good ol' therapy get better, learn to recognize their own symptoms and get out of the cycle. You can call out BS, but it did wonders for my schizophrenic family member (and did wonders for the primary caregiver who no longer had to worry about whether the family member is going to hurt someone or theirselves).

Quote: ZenKinG

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Drugs make you feel better? LOL. Wow the human body was created to be so weak and futile that it needs plastic pills in their bloodstream. Everything we need is already found in nature, our job is to find it and use it. You think God or whoever you think created us(based on your beliefs) would create a human body that is so incapable of healing itself through anything? You think they would put humans on a planet without the necessary resources to live with?

Quote: boymimbo

Rubbish.

Try living with someone with schizophrenia where there is no natural treatment nor cure. The human brain is quite powerful enough to go awry and bring about completely believable (to the sufferer) delusions. The treatment is clear: drugs and cognitive therapy, and nothing else. Those shooters who were on the medications needed them. Quite likely, they were on the incorrect dosage, they were no longer on the medication, or their brain disease was so powerful that the drugs did not do enough to stop them.

There are hundreds of thousands of people living on the streets with severe mental health disorders, who with proper medication and cognitive therapy, could resume normal lives. Fasting, thoughts and prayers, and diet and exercise modifications will do little.

I won't go on about the benefits of big pharma. From vaccines to antibiotics to cancer treatments to AIDS medication drugs and vaccines are the primary reason, and the only reason why our life expectancies are high and we can live through most of our lives without fear of dying from such fun diseases like smallpox, measles, polio, and innocuous infections, not to mention the various heart medications, thyroid hormone replacement therapies, and so on and so forth that prolong life. Not to mention cancer treatments, insulin, and a myriad of other treatments to make life longer.

Of course drugs are an answer (not the only one) And of course ZK, you are likely alive today because of a course of drugs (vaccines) that you took throughout your childhood and that everyone around you took as well. Just because you live a blessed life empty of disease doesn't mean you know anything of which you speak on this subject.

That doesn't mean that I don't believe that your health care system is broken. It is, terribly. When doctors get kickbacks for prescribing drugs and manufacturers can jack their prices on patented products to infinity (because the value of life is not elastic) and doctors working for insurance companies can approve or deny claims without looking at a medical record you have an endemic problem that looks like "deep state" when it is really the entire health care industry (and a powerful lobby working in Washington to make working conditions conducive to that) working together to make alot more money than they should. And certainly, there is plenty of evidence of abuses, including (off the top of my head) the willingness for pharama to sell ridiculous quantities of opioids to places that clearly doesn't need them.

Quote: discflicker

1h 27m 32s must watch, excellent

Quote:

"For those "in the know" (the ex-Scientologists) CCHR has two real purposes:

1) To destroy the "competition" of Scientology (Scientology wants to be known as the premier mental health therapy on the planet), and
2) To give the Scientology cult members an outward facing enemy to fight (keep them occupied so they don't discover their own mental entrapment in the Scientology cult)."

Quote: discflicker

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazEyr86RVY
1h 27m 32s must watch, excellent

Quote: terapined

Quote: discflicker

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazEyr86RVY
1h 27m 32s must watch, excellent

Using scientology videos
ROTFL
I hope you are not caught up in that cult
My advice
Stay away from the kool ade

Quote: ZenKinG

Wrong. Even if what I said cant cure something like schizophrenia, which you have no facts saying it wouldnt since none of those people ever fasted more than 8 hours their whole lives. If that doesnt treat them, then what we have is a genetic disorder thanks to their parents who didnt take care of themselves and gave to their kids the resulting trauma. If everyone just starts taking care of themselves and start fasting and exercising and stop eating all this process and refined garbage, then watch a disease free society come to a store near you.

Quote: boymimbo

It's quite likely that homeless people are forced to fast much longer than 8 hours. And certainly, my family member, who suffers from schizophrenia and who I care for has, too. Clearly, you have no clue whatsoever of what you are talking about. And if you do, please publish a study that shows a link between mental disorders and fasting. Or a link between parents who didn't take of themselves and gave their kids a resulting trauma. Or anything that's been peer reviewed that makes an iota of scientific sense. When you do that, I will happily recant my statement and tell my family member that they have schizophrenia because their mom didn't care care of herself or that they didn't fast enough as a teenager.

Go back to the casino, continue counting cards, and be the king of Vegas. [sarcasm]That's what you're an expert at. [/sarcasm]

Quote: ZenKinG

Drugs make you feel better? LOL. Wow the human body was created to be so weak and futile that it needs plastic pills in their bloodstream. Everything we need is already found in nature, our job is to find it and use it. You think God or whoever you think created us(based on your beliefs) would create a human body that is so incapable of healing itself through anything? You think they would put humans on a planet without the necessary resources to live with? People underestimate how truly powerful the human body is and how much is right in front of us. We have been conditioned to be reliant on 'someone else', so called 'experts', etc. There has been a massive medical agenda going on for drug use for over a century now. Drugs are never the answer, but society doesn't know better and have been conditioned to believe it's their only way.

Try a week long water fast or a month long water fast and let me know what happens. Combine that with a strict exercise regimen and no processed or refined sugar. Only sugar you should be eating is natural occurring sugar that comes from fruits(fructose) NOT glucose. Get as much fish, meat and and protein in your diet as well. If you don't want to do these long fasts, do a 20 hour fast each day and eat one big meal at night and low glycemic foods during the day such as an apple or low fat yogurt. The objective is to not raise insulin levels at all until its night time. Watch you sleep like a baby after that last meal. An understanding of sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems will tell you all you need to know why you should only be eating at night.