Gun Promoters No Place to Hide Now

This country has a problem with mass shootings at schools
Why does this county have this problem and other countries don't?

Quote: terapined

This country has a problem with mass shootings at schools
Why does this county have this problem and other countries don't?

Why do we have a lot of things, good and bad, different than other Countries? Because Countries are different. No other Country has our Constitution. No other Country has our judicial system. No other Country has our history. It's a complex issue because of the Constitution and the fact that the creators purposely wrote it to allow people protection against their own Government as well as outside ones.


ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

Why do we have a lot of things, good and bad, different than other Countries? Because Countries are different. No other Country has our Constitution. No other Country has our judicial system. No other Country has our history. It's a complex issue because of the Constitution and the fact that the creators purposely wrote it to allow people protection against their own Government as well as outside ones.


ZCore13

I understand that our country is different
What is different about this country that we have so many school shootings?
What is different about other countries that they don't have this problem

Quote: lilredrooster

obviously I'm for increased gun control but I haven't read any of the posts here

Make it civil then. In "Pawn Stars" style:

What are your concerns, Rick? Or, what level of safety will make you happy?

Quote: RS

That's not what he said and you know it.

That is what he said!


Every 6 months there's a different cause liberals jump on the bandwagon to yell and march about. March against Trump, March for Truth, Hands up don't shoot, $15 minimum wage, Illigal alien rights, yada yada yada.


ZCore13

Listed above in his direct quote of things he is for
1) march against trump
2)march for truth
3)hands up dont shoot
Etc

So he is against the hands up dont shoot movement so he is for people being shot with their hands up?

Maybe he didnt mean to imply saying that but dont tell me he didnt say it

Quote: AxelWolf

How does one know if they are liberal or conservative?

Asking the real questions.

I actually wish a few people would answer this seriously.

Deleted, pointless.

Quote: darkoz

That is what he said!


Every 6 months there's a different cause liberals jump on the bandwagon to yell and march about. March against Trump, March for Truth, Hands up don't shoot, $15 minimum wage, Illigal alien rights, yada yada yada.


ZCore13

Listed above in his direct quote of things he is for
1) march against trump
2)march for truth
3)hands up dont shoot
Etc

So he is against the hands up dont shoot movement so he is for people being shot with their hands up?

Maybe he didnt mean to imply saying that but dont tell me he didnt say it

Huh? I didn't say I was for that stuff. And the hands up don't shoot movement is a farce. It never happened. And I know of no case where it ever has involving a police officer. Most of the marches and movements are farces. You really think a bunch of high school kids just organized the March for Life (I think that's what it was called). They didn't. It was same radicalized liberals that get involved in every State when something gets their attention. No chance the teens organized it. A month ago they were probably eating tide pods, making fun of their fellow students and drinking alcohol at weekend parties.


ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

Huh? I didn't say I was for that stuff. And the hands up don't shoot movement is a farce. It never happened. And I know of no case where it ever has involving a police officer. Most of the marches and movements are farces. You really think a bunch of high school kids just organized the March for Life (I think that's what it was called). They didn't. It was same radicalized liberals that get involved in every State when something gets their attention. No chance the teens organized it. A month ago they were probably eating tide pods, making fun of their fellow students and drinking alcohol at weekend parties.


ZCore13

20 years ago or even 10 i would agree it was unlikely high school kids could mass organize like that

But with facebook and other digital tech these days it certainly is possible they could do it

Quote: Zcore13

Huh? I didn't say I was for that stuff. And the hands up don't shoot movement is a farce. It never happened. And I know of no case where it ever has involving a police officer.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-police-shooting-unarmed-caregiver-of-autistic-man-victim-account/

Unarmed mental health worker: "I had arms raised when shot by police"

"They cuff my hands and they flip me over. And I'm saying, 'sir, why did you shoot me?' and his words to me, he said, 'I don't know,'" Kinsey said.

Quote: Zcore13

Huh? I didn't say I was for that stuff. And the hands up don't shoot movement is a farce. It never happened. And I know of no case where it ever has involving a police officer. Most of the marches and movements are farces. You really think a bunch of high school kids just organized the March for Life (I think that's what it was called). They didn't. It was same radicalized liberals that get involved in every State when something gets their attention. No chance the teens organized it. A month ago they were probably eating tide pods, making fun of their fellow students and drinking alcohol at weekend parties.


ZCore13

Factually speaking, hands up don't shoot has happened a lot of times. Most recently a couple days ago, when cops were chasing a guy for some very minor offense, and shot 20 times at the wrong (edit: might have been the right kid, but whoever, he was breaking car windows - we execute people for that now) (black) man, killing him in his grandmother's back yard. They claim they thought he had a gun. He was holding his cell phone.

You could be right about what those kids were doing before Valentine's Day. I'm sure they would prefer to be doing it still, compared to having 17 of their friends and teachers dead.

The questions they are asking are, why didn't the adults take care of this at any of the hundred previous opportunities they had? Why is it even left to us to make them do their jobs in protecting us? Why is it more important for people to have guns than for their children to be safe in their schools?

Haven't seen a single good answer to any of those questions among the mockery and deflection posted here. Good thing we live in a country where those questions can be asked, and better answers demanded, huh?

Quote: darkoz

That is what he said!


Every 6 months there's a different cause liberals jump on the bandwagon to yell and march about. March against Trump, March for Truth, Hands up don't shoot, $15 minimum wage, Illigal alien rights, yada yada yada.


ZCore13

Listed above in his direct quote of things he is for
1) march against trump
2)march for truth
3)hands up dont shoot
Etc

So he is against the hands up dont shoot movement so he is for people being shot with their hands up?

Maybe he didnt mean to imply saying that but dont tell me he didnt say it

It appears you didn’t read my post because with the example(s) I gave, it should be pretty obvious what I was talking about.

The “hands up don’t shoot” movement is a misnomer. You can be against that movement while being against people getting shot for having their hands up.

Just like how I can be for equality of the sexes/genders and women’s rights yet be against feminism.
I can be in support of equality of races but be against BLM.

You mistakenly believe the name of the “movement” is the same as what they’re trying to achieve.



There’s an episode of parks & recreation (a TV show) where’s there’s a radical cult that believes the end of the world is coming soon. They named themselves “The Reasonablists” because if someone tried to argue with them they’d call the other person unreasonable because they’re arguing with “the reasonablists”.



Would you support a movement called something like “Equality For All!”, even if that movement was about going around and killing children, minorities, non-straight people, and non-Christians? Surely (okay, maybe not surely) you’d think something like, “Hmmmm....their name sounds good, but I’d that really what they’re after? It doesn’t really seem so.” But of course, one might counter-argue to you and say, “So you’re against equality for all?? OMG what kind of monster doesn’t believe in equality for all?!?!!!?!???!!!!!”

Quote: terapined

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-police-shooting-unarmed-caregiver-of-autistic-man-victim-account/

Unarmed mental health worker: "I had arms raised when shot by police"

"They cuff my hands and they flip me over. And I'm saying, 'sir, why did you shoot me?' and his words to me, he said, 'I don't know,'" Kinsey said.

Was that article written 1-2 years late?

“Hands up don’t shoot movement” (pants up don’t loot riots) was started after Michael Brown’s death in 2014.

Quote: beachbumbabs

The questions they are asking are, why didn't the adults take care of this at any of the hundred previous opportunities they had? Why is it even left to us to make them do their jobs in protecting us? Why is it more important for people to have guns than for their children to be safe in their schools?

You are talking about banning skiing/snowboarding, right? You know you are FAR more likely to die skiing/snowboarding than by being shot by a mass murderer at a school. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Why is it more important for people to be able to ski/snowboard than for their children to be safe?

Where were all the bomb activists to get rid of bombs after the Boston Marathon bombing? Hmmm. No constitutional right to own a bomb so no media outrage on bombs to brainwash every person in this country to ban bombs. But as soon as someone shoots someone there is a media outrage to get guns under control. Give me a break and wake up. Guns dont kill people. People kill people. And no law on the books will ever prevent a criminal who already has his mind set on shooting and killing people. If you think so, i got a bridge in brooklyn to sell to you.

In fact, im sure that all these school shootings are people hired by the govt. If a person really wanted to kill as many people as possible, why would they resort to guns and not just throw bombs in a school or huge public gathering. Why didnt Pollock just throw grenades into the route 91 festival if his objective was to kill as many people as possible? Oh wait, theres no constitutional right to own a bomb or grenade so that wont do well in the media. Lets make it a gun assault to get rid of the 2nd amendment. Yeah thats the ticket.

Im honestly too smart for my own good. So smart that people cant even understand what im saying. Im too ahead of my time.

Quote: RS

Was that article written 1-2 years late?

“Hands up don’t shoot movement” (pants up don’t loot riots) was started after Michael Brown’s death in 2014.

It simply proves that even though you are holding up your hands
A cop may still shoot
It makes the "Hands up don't shoot movement" legit

Quote: terapined

It simply proves that even though you are holding up your hands
A cop may still shoot
It makes the "Hands up don't shoot movement" legit

No it doesn't.


ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

No it doesn't.


ZCore13

Sure it does
The mental health worker had his hands up and he got shot
Are you saying that the police had every right to shoot the unarmed mental health worker?

You said this does not happen and I gave you an example it does happen
Have a problem with reality?

Your logic makes no sense
If you start a movement, you cant use any examples after the movement started
absurd
If there is a mass school shooting today
Damm right the Parkland kids will use it to further their cause

Quote: terapined

Sure it does
The mental health worker had his hands up and he got shot
Are you saying that the police had every right to shoot the unarmed mental health worker?

You said this does not happen and I gave you an example it does happen
Have a problem with reality?

He said earlier he was for people being shot with their hands up

Quote: SOOPOO

You are talking about banning skiing/snowboarding, right? You know you are FAR more likely to die skiing/snowboarding than by being shot by a mass murderer at a school. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Why is it more important for people to be able to ski/snowboard than for their children to be safe?

There have been ZERO schoolchild deaths from someone bringing skis into their school, AFAIK. That's one difference.

Quote: ZenKinG

Where were all the bomb activists to get rid of bombs after the Boston Marathon bombing? Hmmm. No constitutional right to own a bomb so no media outrage on bombs to brainwash every person in this country to ban bombs. But as soon as someone shoots someone there is a media outrage to get guns under control. Give me a break and wake up. Guns dont kill people. People kill people. And no law on the books will ever prevent a criminal who already has his mind set on shooting and killing people. If you think so, i got a bridge in brooklyn to sell to you.

In fact, im sure that all these school shootings are people hired by the govt. If a person really wanted to kill as many people as possible, why would they resort to guns and not just throw bombs in a school or huge public gathering. Why didnt Pollock just throw grenades into the route 91 festival if his objective was to kill as many people as possible? Oh wait, theres no constitutional right to own a bomb or grenade so that wont do well in the media. Lets make it a gun assault to get rid of the 2nd amendment. Yeah thats the ticket.

Im honestly too smart for my own good. So smart that people cant even understand what im saying. Im too ahead of my time.

Where can you legally buy a pre-made bomb or grenade? Nowhere unless you're the federal government.

Where can you legally buy a gun and the bullets to use it? Everywhere. Thousands of stores, hundreds of gun shows, and, oh yeah, the Internet.

(Mocking retort deleted before publishing)

Quote: darkoz

Every 6 months there's a different cause liberals jump on the bandwagon to yell and march about.

Are you saying the kids are liberals?

I doubt it. I doubt that many of them even really know much about what is a traditional liberal position on various issues and what is a traditional conservative position. Their average age is probably about 16.

Because of circumstances they ended up on the liberal side of the gun control issue.

But I doubt seriously that means they are liberal across the board on all the various issues. The popular vote in Florida went to Trump and it's a sure thing that many of the kids parents are not liberals.

So, this march by them doesn't really have anything to do with being a conservative or a liberal.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Where can you legally buy a pre-made bomb or grenade? Nowhere unless you're the federal government.

Where can you legally buy a gun and the bullets to use it? Everywhere. Thousands of stores, hundreds of gun shows, and, oh yeah, the Internet.

(Mocking retort deleted before publishing)

Go ask the boston bombers where they got the bomb. So much for 'just the federal govt' being able to have access to it. This all comes full circle to the reason that criminals will always find a way to get what they want and no law on the books will prevent them from getting it. So why are people obsessed with gun control knowing that criminals wont be stopped by any legislation? Ill tell you why. Because people cant think critically and also theres a massive govt agenda to strip us of our 2nd amendment rights

Quote: ZenKinG

Go ask the boston bombers where they got the bomb. So much for 'just the federal govt' being able to have access to it. This all comes full circle to the reason that criminals will always find a way to get what they want and no law on the books will prevent them from getting it. So why are people obsessed with gun control knowing that criminals wont be stopped by any legislation? Ill tell you why. Because people cant think critically and also theres a massive govt agenda to strip us of our 2nd amendment rights

It must be so hard to be the only lion in a land of sheep. How do you do it, and yet stay so humble?

Quote: ZenKinG

Go ask the boston bombers where they got the bomb. So much for 'just the federal govt' being able to have access to it. This all comes full circle to the reason that criminals will always find a way to get what they want and no law on the books will prevent them from getting it. So why are people obsessed with gun control knowing that criminals wont be stopped by any legislation? Ill tell you why. Because people cant think critically and also theres a massive govt agenda to strip us of our 2nd amendment rights

So by your logic there should be no restrictions on bombs because criminals will find ways to make bombs?

BTW - there is precedent: remember when 15 years or so ago you could purchase sudafed and similar medication real easy and as much as you want? Laws were passed to restrict purchases because drug dealers figured out how to siphon the usable ingredients for hard drugs. That restriction still irks me but i never heard anyone say not to pass it since drug dealers will find a way to make their drugs anyway

Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist, said
it best yesterday. He said better to learn
at a young age that what you do and say
will have little or no impact on anything.

The kids were cute and precocious, but
what they said is just hot air that is
floating away. There are over 300 million
guns in the US and they ain't going anywhere.

I see a lot of people (here and elsewhere) completely railing on these kids for exercising their right to assemble and protest, but all I see is cheap talk and angry blathering and nobody doing anything to address the issue.

Okay, so let's say these kids are wrong about their talking points. Instead of calling them paid media shills and uneducated idiots, how about you actually get off of your lazy butt and do something about it?

Take the NRA, for example. If they truly believed in the 2nd amendment, they would have gotten a big congregation together, gone to Washington during the march, and actually tried to sit down with these kids in some kind of mediated dialogue to try and reason with them and see how everyone could get together and work towards decreasing gun violence. And I don't mean some one-shot showy media town hall interview, I mean some serious hours/days-long discussions.

I'm not saying I agree with everything these kids are doing, but they are at least doing SOMETHING. They're angry and want gun violence to stop; they don't know what else to do other than protest and march. Many of them want to ban guns and may have other misguided opinions on guns. I don't think that's the right answer, and if you don't either, you need to be doing something other than just renewing your membership to the NRA and calling teenagers "idiots" on Facebook, because if that's all you're doing then you are part of the problem.

Quote: TigerWu

I'm not saying I agree with everything these kids are doing, but they are at least doing SOMETHING.

No No No No. No.

They THINK they're doing something, there's
a big difference. In the late 60's we had
hundreds of protests against the Vietnam War.
We always felt sooo good about it, like we were
making a difference.

Nope. Farts is the wind was what we were doing.
The war ended years later and we had nothing
to do with it. These kids will have zero impact
on the number of guns here, it will continue
to go up and up. As it should.

Quote: EvenBob

No No No No. No.

They THINK they're doing something, there's
a big difference. In the late 60's we had
hundreds of protests against the Vietnam War.
We always felt sooo good about it, like we were
making a difference.

Nope. Farts is the wind was what we were doing.
The war ended years later and we had nothing
to do with it. These kids will have zero impact
on the number of guns here, it will continue
to go up and up. As it should.

Yeah why even register to vote?

Quote: EvenBob

No No No No. No.

They THINK they're doing something, there's
a big difference. In the late 60's we had
hundreds of protests against the Vietnam War.
We always felt sooo good about it, like we were
making a difference.

Nope. Farts is the wind was what we were doing.
The war ended years later and we had nothing
to do with it. These kids will have zero impact
on the number of guns here, it will continue
to go up and up. As it should.

If you think the anti war protests didn't help bring an end to the war, and cause a sitting US President not to seek re-election, then you know even less history than your posts usually imply.
I suppose the Civil Rights marches did nothing either.

Quote: billryan

I suppose the Civil Rights marches did nothing either.

Maybe EB thinks they only achieved getting concussions and jail time by marching.

Quote: terapined

Dems take the House this fall

lilred stated the NRA would get its ass kicked and other states will follow Florida's lead in taking action. I challenged a bet to that statement (not necessarily to lilred personally). "Dems taking the house" is neither a state action or a slight to the NRA, so I fail to see your point.

If you too are still under the impression that any of this s#$% matters and a handful of children are going to impact the actions of the United Corporations of America, then name your terms. I've no problem taking your money, either.

Quote: lilredrooster

I regret writing this thread at least the way I stated it

it was too strong - too combative

if I offended anybody who is on the other side I apologize

I will think twice next time before I post something controversial

I hope you guys who are unhappy with what I wrote will accept my apology

I don't care that you're against what I am. I appreciate, greatly, the above. Too many people are scared to say "I don't know" or worse, "I was wrong". You should be proud of yourself.

FWIW, your post may have been controversial (to be expected in topics such as this) but not a whit of it seemed purposely divisive or offensive. Please do carry on.

Quote: terapined

I understand that our country is different
What is different about this country that we have so many school shootings?
What is different about other countries that they don't have this problem

The US has the highest rate of maternal deaths of the entire industrialized world. The highest rate of incarceration. The highest rate of psychotropic drug use.

I do not know the answer to your question. But I am working on it. And it seems a lot of problems revolve around the fact that no one gives a s#$% about anyone else. It's kind of what this country is based on. Or, maybe that's unfair/untrue. But it is at least how we got so damn powerful.

Quote: terapined

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-police-shooting-unarmed-caregiver-of-autistic-man-victim-account/

Unarmed mental health worker: "I had arms raised when shot by police"

"They cuff my hands and they flip me over. And I'm saying, 'sir, why did you shoot me?' and his words to me, he said, 'I don't know,'" Kinsey said.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Factually speaking, hands up don't shoot has happened a lot of times. Most recently a couple days ago, when cops were chasing a guy for some very minor offense, and shot 20 times at the wrong (edit: might have been the right kid, but whoever, he was breaking car windows - we execute people for that now) (black) man, killing him in his grandmother's back yard. They claim they thought he had a gun. He was holding his cell phone.

Not for nothin', but I agree with both y'all about these things. It's also, ya know, kind of exactly the reason I carry everywhere.

Quote: Babs

Haven't seen a single good answer to any of those questions among the mockery and deflection posted here. Good thing we live in a country where those questions can be asked, and better answers demanded, huh?

I'd love to answer, but I dunno how your state runs (and I think I'd be scared to find out =p). Could be these differences in state's laws are a cause of so much personal strife. I know NY has a law where 5-0 can come take your s#$% just based on report. If I went to the doc talking about killing myself or someone got a recording of me threatening to blow up the post office (something I HAVE NEVER DONE EVEN IN JEST, MR NSA MAN), they could call the NYSP and they would be dispatched to relieve me of my weaponry. Perhaps Fla or the country at large does not work the same way. But with dude down there, there were opportunities aplenty to separate this fella from his firearms, and the FBI simply failed to communicate with themselves.

The kids ain't wrong, but they're not right, either. I should know, I was a kid once. What we need is some goddamn common sense and,...what's that word?...I forget due to massive under use of it.... oh yeah, a GOOD FAITH effort to address the issue. But, dear Babs, it ain't never gonna happen. You can blame the NRA if you want, and you would be right, but only partially so. Because for every huge overreach based solely on money, power, and lobbying of the NRA, you have their counterpart doing the exact same thing. WE don't matter. Perhaps you may remember a time when we did, but alas, I never have.

Face in '20.

Quote: EvenBob

Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist, said
it best yesterday. He said better to learn
at a young age that what you do and say
will have little or no impact on anything.

Until some kids start marching for something he agrees with, then it's all, "Oh, look at these intelligent, pro-active, politically motivated kids! They sure were raised right! You liberals could take a lesson from them!"

Regardless, I thought conservatives hated quoting celebrities, because what do celebrities know about politics? Oh, wait, I guess it's okay if they say something you agree with.

Quote: EvenBob

No No No No. No.

They THINK they're doing something, there's
a big difference.

The march happened a day ago. You have absolutely no idea what is or isn't going to happen because of it. You only HOPE nothing will happen, because you disagree with them. But since you can see the future and know how this is all going to pan out, can you give me next week's powerball numbers?

But yeah, let's just keep ignoring these kids, and marginalizing them, and making them angry, so in a few years when they're old enough to run for office they'll start passing laws you REALLY hate and then you'll say, "Dang, we really should have taken these kids seriously and sat down and talked with them about how to solve all these violence problems."

Quote: terapined

It simply proves that even though you are holding up your hands
A cop may still shoot
It makes the "Hands up don't shoot movement" legit

Let me put this as clearly as possible:

The "hands up don't shoot movement" wasn't about "hands up don't shoot".

Quote: darkoz

He said earlier he was for people being shot with their hands up

No, he didn't.

Are we allowed to just make up lies about people on this forum? Really?

Quote: RS

Let me put this as clearly as possible:

The "hands up don't shoot movement" wasn't about "hands up don't shoot".


No, he didn't.

Are we allowed to just make up lies about people on this forum? Really?

From what i have read the hands up dont shoot movement is precisely about not shooting people when their hands are up

If you are propounding that the movement supports shooting people when their hands are raised please prove that dont just keep stating such ridiculous nonsense

Breitbart and fox news will not be accepted as sources btw

And if he is against a movement that supports not shooting people with their hands up as he says then he is in support of shooting people with their hands up so no lies told on this forum

Quote: RS

Let me put this as clearly as possible:

The "hands up don't shoot movement" wasn't about "hands up don't shoot".

I support the movement
Its about not shooting when somebody has their hands up
That's what I support.
The shooting of the mental health worker is a perfect example
Whats this "wasn't " about in your statement?
Are you actually going to tell me about what I support?
Please

Quote: darkoz

From what i have read the hands up dont shoot movement is precisely about not shooting people when their hands are up

Source?

Quote: darkoz

If you are propounding that the movement supports shooting people when their hands are raised please prove that dont just keep stating such ridiculous nonsense

Breitbart and fox news will not be accepted as sources btw

Then I won't be accepting CNN, MSNBC, or any other major news outlet. *Snickers* That was a joke.

I didn't say the movement supports shooting people with their hands up. It was a movement/group of people who were mad because Michael Brown got shot, mistakenly thought he had his hands up, then used that as a basis of their movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_up,_don%27t_shoot

Quote: Intro

"Hands up, don't shoot", or simply "hands up", is a slogan and gesture that originated after the August 9, 2014 shooting of Michael Brown. The slogan was adopted at protests against police violence. Witness reports differed as to what Brown was doing with his hands when he was shot, with some claiming he had his hands in the air. A United States Department of Justice investigation found this claim could not be verified by the physical and forensic evidence.[1]

Quote: Criticism

In response to the homicide of Michael Brown, the Criminal Section of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Missouri, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation opened an investigation into whether or not Officer Wilson violated federal laws.

On March 4, 2015, the Department of Justice released their report of the investigation. This report found that physical and forensic evidence contradicted witnesses who claimed that Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him. It also stated that witnesses whose testimony aligned with the physical and forensic evidence never "perceived Brown to be attempting to surrender at any point when Wilson fired upon him." The report concluded there was no justification for a federal prosecution of Officer Wilson.[34][35]

In the wake of the report, many pundits began to refer to the "Hands up, Don't Shoot" slogan as "a lie" or "based on a lie".[36][37][38] The Washington Post's Fact Checker feature gave "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" four Pinocchios denoting it as an outright lie.[39]

Quote: darkoz

And if he is against a movement that supports not shooting people with their hands up as he says then he is in support of shooting people with their hands up so no lies told on this forum

Keyword bolded.

Duplicate.

This damn forum be stuntin'.

Quote: terapined

I support the movement
Its about not shooting when somebody has their hands up
That's what I support.
The shooting of the mental health worker is a perfect example
Whats this "wasn't " about in your statement?
Are you actually going to tell me about what I support?
Please

You can support whatever you want. I also support not shooting people when their hands are up. That doesn't mean I support the un-related movement, which is more about rioting, looting, seeking fake justice, and overall the mob mentality and "social justice".

I support equality of the genders but I do not support feminism, even though feminism "says" they support equality of the genders. Do you get it now? The reason why I don't support feminism is because the things they say they support and the things they actually do/support are completely different.

Edited last line. ^

How many of the mass shooters were on psychotropic drugs? Nearly ALL of them... why is this never even mentioned? Who is really in control here? What are the underlying motives? There is now a push from all sides to perform even MORE mental health screening... to what ends? To get even MORE people hooked on these exact drugs that CAUSE nearly all of the mass shootings? The warnings are written right on the package (in fine print); may cause suicide; may case anger; may cause agitation; it goes on and on. These are not side-effects, these are EFFECTS. MOST (67%) of the 100 daily gun deaths reported in the USA are suicide... HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE ON PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS? How many American soldiers committed suicide? How many of them were on these drugs?

Can't anyone see what's happening to us? We are all being manipulated by the mass media and the medical establishment to become crazed drug addicts for life by the big-pharma industry. Our bought-and-paid-for government is promoting it, and our bought-and-paid-for medical schools preach it.

Watch the videos by Dr. Peter Breggin to see how dangerous these drugs are, and watch the movie "Death by Medicine" as well.

Quote: RS

Are we allowed to just make up lies about people on this forum? Really?

As long as they aren't members, lol

Quote: discflicker

Can't anyone see what's happening to us? We are all being manipulated by the mass media and the medical establishment to become crazed drug addicts for life by the big-pharma industry. Our bought-and-paid-for government is promoting it, and our bought-and-paid-for medical schools preach it.

You say it, everyone thanks you. I say it, i need a mental check up and a visit to the doctor. Interesting forum we have here.

Not to mention, I haven't even gotten into the medical mafia and what they are doing and getting away with. Health insurance is a scam. Insurance is not ASSURANCE. Prevention is the best insurance policy. Not to mention all health insurance does is get you to go to these so called 'professionals' only to be prescribed drugs that you don't need and that will in the long run kill you faster and keep you coming back for more and more drugs to continue to fix the symptom, but not the problem. All these recurring visits lead to you know what, MONEY to the medical mafia establishment.

These doctors have an incentive to sell you drugs once the pharma sales rep invades their clinic. They then sell you a mass quantity, in which you will only need 1 or 2 tablets, when in reality, you need ZERO tablets and need to fix your body through diet, exercise, and fasting. Diet, exercise, and fasting doesn't sell though and is completely contradictory to the medical establishment agenda. I'm not saying all doctor are out to get you, there are some honorable doctors out there such as holistic doctors and even the ones who recommend you drugs. Most of these doctors that sells these drugs are actually doing it because they're so misinformed about what their medical school brainwashed them with and are just sticking to the script they were taught and don't know any better.

BUT, this all goes FULL CIRCLE once again, regarding my original posts about all this corruption whether it's the government, medical mafia, casinos, it ALL revolves around MONEY and how we need a money-free society. All money does is create an immoral, unethical, corrupt, pathetic world to live in. People do whatever it takes to get that illusion of money in their wallet. That piece of paper in everyone's wallet is worth just as much as a piece of loose leaf paper. Both of them are worth ZERO.

Unless I was desperate, I wouldn't use a drug fresh out of an approval process. These are the ones that are most likely to end up with lawyers advertising for class action suits in the next 5-10 years. If the drug has been around for a long time, you generally have a good idea of the faults without finding that you permanently f***ed some critical part of your body, or it caused tumors to start growing on your eyeballs.

Quote: Zcore13

Told ya. Lol. What's the link. I'll take it. I'm guessing 75% conservative for me.


ZCore13

http://brainfall.com/quizzes/how-conservative-liberal-are-you/#rJ196qDcG

Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: discflicker

Can't anyone see what's happening to us? We are all being manipulated by the mass media and the medical establishment to become crazed drug addicts for life by the big-pharma industry. Our bought-and-paid-for government is promoting it, and our bought-and-paid-for medical schools preach it.

You say it, everyone thanks you. I say it, i need a mental check up and a visit to the doctor. Interesting forum we have here.

Not to mention, I haven't even gotten into the medical mafia and what they are doing and getting away with. Health insurance is a scam. Insurance is not ASSURANCE. Prevention is the best insurance policy. Not to mention all health insurance does is get you to go to these so called 'professionals' only to be prescribed drugs that you don't need and that will in the long run kill you faster and keep you coming back for more and more drugs to continue to fix the symptom, but not the problem. All these recurring visits lead to you know what, MONEY to the medical mafia establishment.

These doctors have an incentive to sell you drugs once the pharma sales rep invades their clinic. They then sell you a mass quantity, in which you will only need 1 or 2 tablets, when in reality, you need ZERO tablets and need to fix your body through diet, exercise, and fasting. Diet, exercise, and fasting doesn't sell though and is completely contradictory to the medical establishment agenda. I'm not saying all doctor are out to get you, there are some honorable doctors out there such as holistic doctors and even the ones who recommend you drugs. Most of these doctors that sells these drugs are actually doing it because they're so misinformed about what their medical school brainwashed them with and are just sticking to the script they were taught and don't know any better.

BUT, this all goes FULL CIRCLE once again, regarding my original posts about all this corruption whether it's the government, medical mafia, casinos, it ALL revolves around MONEY and how we need a money-free society. All money does is create an immoral, unethical, corrupt, pathetic world to live in. People do whatever it takes to get that illusion of money in their wallet. That piece of paper in everyone's wallet is worth just as much as a piece of loose leaf paper. Both of them are worth ZERO.

I couldn't have said it better, except to add that money, although the root of all evil, is not the root problem here, it is the unique arrangement of big-industry and the corrupt American government that lets them run unchecked and get these poisons approved.

They are now targeting our elderly, our military, prisoners, our children, and even our INFANTS!! The other unique arrangement is our media (including Hollywood) are complicit in promoting the poisoning. Children are our future, but there is no future for life-long drug addicts. Men are becoming feminized and so Hollywood promotes gayness.

Between the Fluoridation of our drinking water, our nutrient-depleted diets, the consumption of meats and cheese (actively promoted, because big-pharma sell most of their drugs for "agriculture"), and the inevitable water pollution from farm-runoff, industrialization and fracking, and exposure to higher and higher levels of radiation and heavy metal poisoning, WE DON'T HAVE LONG TO LIVE AS A SPECIES.

The sick thing is that big-industry KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, but have simply given up and sold-out the future for a handful of profits.

WATCH THIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26e5PqrCePk
The Drugging Of Our Children (Full Length) 1:45:05

This is directly related to the debate about firearms... right now we are witnessing an unprecedented push from big-pharma to get us all hooked, using the horrible travesties of the mass-shootings THAT THEY HAVE CAUSED as an excuse!!

Quote: AxelWolf

http://brainfall.com/quizzes/how-conservative-liberal-are-you/#rJ196qDcG

I took it. I think it's a poorly written test, but I was 59% Conservative and 41% Liberal. I'll have to look for a more professional/scholarly test and see what it says.


ZCore13

Quote: rxwine

Unless I was desperate, I wouldn't use a drug fresh out of an approval process. These are the ones that are most likely to end up with lawyers advertising for class action suits in the next 5-10 years. If the drug has been around for a long time, you generally have a good idea of the faults without finding that you permanently f***ed some critical part of your body, or it caused tumors to start growing on your eyeballs.

I agree, except, I only trust the ones that have been around for at least 100 years. Unfortunately, we're all getting drugged weather we want it or not.

Most of us don't have the knowledge to be able to research everything the industry have targeted for us. Even the few that can try research only find lies and misinformation. Most of us don't have the time/money to get by at all, let alone see through the wall of misinformation. When my oncologist prescribes me a regimen of chemo/radiation for my Leukemia/lymphoma, what can I do about it? Leave the country to a place where I can be treated naturally?? Do I really have a choice?

If a cow realizes that he's living on a farm for its meat, what can he do about it? If the farmer is taught to use antibiotics and chemical fertilizers as a matter of survival, what can he do about it? When a child drinks fluoridated water, eats hormone-laced meats, gets prescribed psychotropic meds and goes out on a shooting spree, what can he do about it? When the media uses the mass-shooting as an excuse to suck even more of us into its sick agenda of mass-drugging, what can we do about it? I TRY TO HELP BY INFORMING, ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE THE TIME TO SEE BEYOND THE WALL OF MISINFORMATION.

Please watch this video:
The Drugging Of Our Children (Full Length)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26e5PqrCePk
1:45:05

Quote: discflicker

I TRY TO HELP BY INFORMING, ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE THE TIME TO SEE BEYOND THE WALL OF MISINFORMATION.

Would that be a wall donald Trump is planning to build by any chance

Quote: darkoz

Would that be a wall donald Trump is planning to build by any chance

Yes, exactly, a political wall; you got me... everything I said was an attack on Hillary Clinton. My bad. Now, go back and watch your CNN and MSNBC and pay special attention to those advertisements for drugs with the 30-second lists of "side-effects", pop a few pills and go back to sleep. Why do you think they pay for those adds? Maybe to remind you of the word suicide, which they mention to you an average of 14 times a day? Or as a disclaimer, because everyone knows what the side-effects are when the class-action lawsuits roll in?

Like I said, its coming from BOTH SIDES now, hard and fast... the left want to mental-health-check every gun owner and the right are being persuaded to agree. How many prescriptions will that fill? Your knee-jerk tendency to reduce this into a political matter is exactly what you have been conditioned for. Gerald Celente says "Its the Crypts and the Bloods, both are gangsters".

Go to the doctor and see if they ask you if you have been feeling down lately, or if you've thought about suicide. Go ahead... have you thought about suicide? How can you avoid thinking about it when you hear it 14 times every day? THIS AIN'T POLITICS, THIS IS OUR SURVIVAL.

Quote: discflicker

Yes, exactly, a political wall; you got me... everything I said was an attack on Hillary Clinton. My bad. Now, go back and watch your CNN and MSNBC and pay special attention to those advertisements for drugs with the 30-second lists of "side-effects", pop a few pills and go back to sleep. Why do you think they pay for those adds? Maybe to remind you of the word suicide, which they mention to you an average of 14 times a day? Or as a disclaimer, because everyone knows what the side-effects are when the class-action lawsuits roll in?

Wow you know me so well

I do watch CNN anf and MSNBC

I do pay attention to those medicine ads and their side effects

I do pop pills (high blood pressure and gout but trust me dont want to ignore those especially gout. I like shrimp too much)

Im going to sleep. Ttyl