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April 4th, 2018 at 11:14:04 AM permalink
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Let's take for example what happened after 9/11. We all know this was perpetrated by own government



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April 4th, 2018 at 11:16:32 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Let's take for example what happened after 9/11. We all know this was perpetrated by own government sadly with the excuse of...


Excuse me, "we all know?" That is a stance that is only taken by the wildest of conspiracy theorists. I don't doubt that YOU believe it along with all of your other far-fetched beliefs, but I doubt more than a couple other members here actually believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
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April 4th, 2018 at 11:35:43 AM permalink
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Excuse me, "we all know?" That is a stance that is only taken by the wildest of conspiracy theorists. I don't doubt that YOU believe it along with all of your other far-fetched beliefs, but I doubt more than a couple other members here actually believe that 9/11 was an inside job.



Never forget the bloody, crying firemen who screamed about the bombs in the towers and the lobby.

Never forget the 2,300,000,000,000 dollars that was reported missing by Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.

Never forget that the comptroller in charge of the Pentagon's budget was Doc Zakheim who lost the 2.3 trillion dollars by doing poor book keeping (lost 1.55 billion dollars, per day, for five years....)

Never forget that Dov Zakheim was also the CEO of Systems Planning Corporation in 2001  which manufactures Flight Termination Systems for commercial airliners so they can be remotely controlled by computers....

Never forget that the day after Rumsfeld mentioned missing 2.3 trillion dollars, a plane impacted the Office of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon where the computers were kept which stored that information....over 100 budget analysts and accountants were killed and the money trail was lost.

Never forget that Larry Silverstein bought the entire WTC center lease in 2000 for a 15 million dollar bid (even though he was LOWER than other bidders).

Never forget that Larry Silverstein put a 3.5 BILLION dollar insurance policy on the towers against terrorist attacks in June 2001.....then 3 months later, both towers get hit by aircraft.

Never forget that Larry Silverstein sued his insurers (over 40 companies) to get paid double his limit, since each plane constitutes a separate attack...and never forget that Larry made 4.55 billion dollars so far, off of an initial investment of 15 million dollars.

Never forget that scientists and physicists at BYU found a type of explosive in every dust sample tested which was confirmed to be a type of Thermite. (Thermite produces liquid iron and is used to cut thick columns effectively and quietly).

Never forget that World Trade Center 7 fell at 5:20pm on 9/11 and the news tried to cover it up.....

Never forget that BBC, fox news and CNN reporters all misread scripts live on TV which announced WTC7 collapsing hours before it did.....indicating a prewritten narrative

Never forget that WTC 7 was 47 stories tall, yet NIST said that it collapsed "at free fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds".

Never forget high school physics and the definition of static equilibrium and conservation of momentum which would make it impossible for any structure to collapse at FREE FALL acceleration (impossible with out explosives or preweakening the structure )

Never forget that NORAD was running two drills on 9/11:. Vigilant Guardian and Vigilant Warrior

Never forget that these drills scrambled jets all over the country, and over the ocean and made it impossible for the pilots to intercept the hijacked jets in time once they were scrambled towards the hijackings.

Never forget that molten metal was found at ground zero days after the towers collapsed, and was also found under WTC7.  And never forget that Kerosene and office furniture doesn't burn hot enough to phase change steel from solid to liquid.

Never forget that a van was pulled over trying to leave new York city, and contained illegal explosives and very suspicious occupants from Israel who were detained for 71 days, and then this story disappeared.

#NeverForget
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April 4th, 2018 at 12:14:58 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Never forget the bloody, crying firemen who screamed about the bombs in the towers and the lobby.

Never forget the 2,300,000,000,000 dollars that was reported missing by Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.

Never forget that the comptroller in charge of the Pentagon's budget was Doc Zakheim who lost the 2.3 trillion dollars by doing poor book keeping (lost 1.55 billion dollars, per day, for five years....)

Never forget that Dov Zakheim was also the CEO of Systems Planning Corporation in 2001  which manufactures Flight Termination Systems for commercial airliners so they can be remotely controlled by computers....

Never forget that the day after Rumsfeld mentioned missing 2.3 trillion dollars, a plane impacted the Office of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon where the computers were kept which stored that information....over 100 budget analysts and accountants were killed and the money trail was lost.

Never forget that Larry Silverstein bought the entire WTC center lease in 2000 for a 15 million dollar bid (even though he was LOWER than other bidders).

Never forget that Larry Silverstein put a 3.5 BILLION dollar insurance policy on the towers against terrorist attacks in June 2001.....then 3 months later, both towers get hit by aircraft.

Never forget that Larry Silverstein sued his insurers (over 40 companies) to get paid double his limit, since each plane constitutes a separate attack...and never forget that Larry made 4.55 billion dollars so far, off of an initial investment of 15 million dollars.

Never forget that scientists and physicists at BYU found a type of explosive in every dust sample tested which was confirmed to be a type of Thermite. (Thermite produces liquid iron and is used to cut thick columns effectively and quietly).

Never forget that World Trade Center 7 fell at 5:20pm on 9/11 and the news tried to cover it up.....

Never forget that BBC, fox news and CNN reporters all misread scripts live on TV which announced WTC7 collapsing hours before it did.....indicating a prewritten narrative

Never forget that WTC 7 was 47 stories tall, yet NIST said that it collapsed "at free fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds".

Never forget high school physics and the definition of static equilibrium and conservation of momentum which would make it impossible for any structure to collapse at FREE FALL acceleration (impossible with out explosives or preweakening the structure )

Never forget that NORAD was running two drills on 9/11:. Vigilant Guardian and Vigilant Warrior

Never forget that these drills scrambled jets all over the country, and over the ocean and made it impossible for the pilots to intercept the hijacked jets in time once they were scrambled towards the hijackings.

Never forget that molten metal was found at ground zero days after the towers collapsed, and was also found under WTC7.  And never forget that Kerosene and office furniture doesn't burn hot enough to phase change steel from solid to liquid.

Never forget that a van was pulled over trying to leave new York city, and contained illegal explosives and very suspicious occupants from Israel who were detained for 71 days, and then this story disappeared.

#NeverForget



Thats too many things to remember
#NeverRemember
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April 4th, 2018 at 12:37:50 PM permalink
Just when you think you heard it all from ZK, he comes up with a new one.

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April 4th, 2018 at 12:58:24 PM permalink
Never forget that this so-called super deep state Illuminati government was so sloppy in their execution of this conspiracy that they apparently left thousands of clues so anyone with an internet connection can crack the code. EDIT: (to remove what could be construed as a personal insult.)

Never forget that there are exponentially easier and more efficient ways to perpetrate this conspiracy that what conspiracy theorists claim.

Never forget that this is supposedly the same government that can't even balance its checkbook, yet is somehow responsible for a multi-billion dollar conspiracy.

Never forget that this is supposedly the same government that less than 20 years ago was apparently advanced and intelligent enough to pull off one of the grandest conspiracies in the history of human civilization, yet it somehow couldn't avoid handing over the reigns to a D-List celebrity with zero political experience.

Never forget all of the literally thousands of people that would have to be involved in this conspiracy, yet not a single one of them has ever come forward to expose the "truth."

Never forget that if conspiracy theorists were right, then any one of a number of foreign governments would have called us out on it, if not straight up attempted some kind of military action against the U.S.

I could probably go on and on, but I kind of got tired of arguing with 9/11 "truthers" about 15 years ago when all their nonsense was debunked the first time around.
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April 4th, 2018 at 3:48:23 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG


Let's take for example what happened after 9/11. We all know this was perpetrated by own government


"We all Know"??????????????????
Why not just claim the whole planet knows the Earth is flat lol
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April 4th, 2018 at 4:08:40 PM permalink
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No, it's not. Smartphones were supposed to make us smarter. Not so much. People are much more concerned with "likes" and "thumbsup" than they are with being accurate.


😻 👍🏻

Smartphones weren’t “meant to make us smarter”. They’re just phones that are “smart”. We’re not smart, it’s the phones that are.

One thing I disagree with and I’m probably in a small boat on this one, but it’s got to do with practically no limit on freedom of speech. I think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”, like *news channels or famous people or random a** bloggers with a million readers. I hate wanting to read up on something and 5 different sources have different spins on it and what happened or whatever. And I’m not talking about “opinion pieces”, btw.
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April 4th, 2018 at 4:37:17 PM permalink
Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

SI think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”,



Like our president.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Sad.
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April 4th, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM permalink
Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

Smartphones weren’t “meant to make us smarter”. They’re just phones that are “smart”. We’re not smart, it’s the phones that are.

One thing I disagree with and I’m probably in a small boat on this one, but it’s got to do with practically no limit on freedom of speech. I think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”, like *news channels or famous people or random a** bloggers with a million readers. I hate wanting to read up on something and 5 different sources have different spins on it and what happened or whatever. And I’m not talking about “opinion pieces”, btw.



*news channels?

Was that a typo or a racist comment?

Or are you watching the JNN Jewish News Network?
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April 4th, 2018 at 4:49:33 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Let me just sum up the current state of our government and maybe i can finally convince you that the government always has an agenda at place and it's never just a 'coincidence'. The evidence will be irrefutable and maybe some of you will finally wake up and spread the word.

Let's take for example what happened after 9/11. We all know this was perpetrated by own government sadly with the excuse of 'terrorism' and the 'war on terror' and there is evidence that the CIA and FBI knew about these 'terrorists' that were undergoing flight training, but that's besides the fact. The point is what happened shortly after 9/11 that proves the agenda of the gov't and that it was never about safety of its citizens due to 'terrorism'. What did they immediately try to do shortly after 9/11? The government started petitioning everyone to get National ID cards, mandatory safety checks, passing the Patriot Act that completely breached everyone's privacy and financial privacy through banking institutions all because of the excuse of 'war on terror'. Not to mention it was then used to invade IRAQ based on a false belief that they had 'Weapons of mass destruction'. Give me a break. It was all about the oil and it's still ongoing.

If all of this was REALLY about the safety to protect us from terrorism, why didnt they just shut all of the borders down? That's what any person with common sense would've done. That right there should tell you it was NEVER about the safety of the citizens from terrorism, but rather to slowly strip us more of our rights starting with our privacy, financial privacy, and to invade Iraq for their oil reserves.

What about the Vietnam War and the Gulf of Tonkin incident? This was was based on a COMPLETE lie that the U.S. ships were attacked by the Vietnamese and how many American soldiers ended up dying as a result after they were sent to invade Vietname? Just sickening.

Always be alert, nothing happens by chance with this government as history shows us. If red flags go off in your head that something doesn't add up, be sure there is a massive agenda going on behind the scenes. This gun control thing screams to be another red flag agenda and the more you argue amongst one another, you're playing right into the government's playbook, which is to keep you distracted from real issues and to strip you of your guns.



Yeah,....nope. Stopped reading when you blamed our government for 9/11. I know first-hand that's pure crap.

I was working in DC at that time, as a national liaison with the FAA. I got pulled into the investigation and aftermath, saw a lot of info that only came out a bit later, and some of it never has (sealed).

And you were just out of diapers by a couple of years that day, so I really don't think you have a lot of credibility on the topic. Which casts a huge shadow on the rest of your bloviations in this thread.
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April 4th, 2018 at 7:01:52 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Yeah,....nope. Stopped reading when you blamed our government for 9/11. I know first-hand that's pure crap.

I was working in DC at that time, as a national liaison with the FAA. I got pulled into the investigation and aftermath, saw a lot of info that only came out a bit later, and some of it never has (sealed).

And you were just out of diapers by a couple of years that day, so I really don't think you have a lot of credibility on the topic. Which casts a huge shadow on the rest of your bloviations in this thread.



I find 911 credible as is, as it was basically an exploit of weaknesses which, is not much of foreign idea if you hang around this site all the time.

No one here is trying to create an exploit to attack another nation, but it's the same process.
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April 4th, 2018 at 8:05:39 PM permalink
What sort of inside info does Babs apparently have that ZK just got out of diapers in middle school? Just catching up on thread.
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April 4th, 2018 at 8:05:40 PM permalink
Double post
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April 5th, 2018 at 12:03:33 AM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

SI think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”,



Like our president.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Sad.


I’m against all things said which are untrue. Whether it’s from Trump, any other republican, democrat, or anyone else.


Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

Smartphones weren’t “meant to make us smarter”. They’re just phones that are “smart”. We’re not smart, it’s the phones that are.

One thing I disagree with and I’m probably in a small boat on this one, but it’s got to do with practically no limit on freedom of speech. I think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”, like *news channels or famous people or random a** bloggers with a million readers. I hate wanting to read up on something and 5 different sources have different spins on it and what happened or whatever. And I’m not talking about “opinion pieces”, btw.



*news channels?

Was that a typo or a racist comment?

Or are you watching the JNN Jewish News Network?


Oops. That was a typo. Damn phone autocorrected news to Jews, I suspect.
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April 5th, 2018 at 12:50:37 AM permalink
Take that phone down to your local church and toss it in the Holy Water. If it is ruined, you know it was an accidental auto-correct. If it survives, burn it at the stake.
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April 5th, 2018 at 2:47:15 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Quote: Steverinos

Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

SI think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”,



Like our president.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Sad.


I’m against all things said which are untrue. Whether it’s from Trump, any other republican, democrat, or anyone else.


Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

Smartphones weren’t “meant to make us smarter”. They’re just phones that are “smart”. We’re not smart, it’s the phones that are.

One thing I disagree with and I’m probably in a small boat on this one, but it’s got to do with practically no limit on freedom of speech. I think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”, like *news channels or famous people or random a** bloggers with a million readers. I hate wanting to read up on something and 5 different sources have different spins on it and what happened or whatever. And I’m not talking about “opinion pieces”, btw.



*news channels?

Was that a typo or a racist comment?

Or are you watching the JNN Jewish News Network?


Oops. That was a typo. Damn phone autocorrected news to Jews, I suspect.



Yeah, I was mulling.that one over. You were 85% of the way to your first suspension, based on prior bans for racist etc. statrments, but i wanted clarification from you. Glad you said it was a typo. I'm going to go back and edit it where I find it. * = edit in this and previous posts.
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April 5th, 2018 at 2:54:53 AM permalink
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What sort of inside info does Babs apparently have that ZK just got out of diapers in middle school? Just catching up on thread.



ZK has told us in previous threads how old he is. I was vague on purpose.
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April 5th, 2018 at 4:49:35 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: RS

Quote: Steverinos

Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

SI think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”,



Like our president.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Sad.


I’m against all things said which are untrue. Whether it’s from Trump, any other republican, democrat, or anyone else.


Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

😻 👍🏻

Smartphones weren’t “meant to make us smarter”. They’re just phones that are “smart”. We’re not smart, it’s the phones that are.

One thing I disagree with and I’m probably in a small boat on this one, but it’s got to do with practically no limit on freedom of speech. I think it’s stupid anyone can just say whatever untrue statements they want, especially those that are in a position of “power”, like *news channels or famous people or random a** bloggers with a million readers. I hate wanting to read up on something and 5 different sources have different spins on it and what happened or whatever. And I’m not talking about “opinion pieces”, btw.



*news channels?

Was that a typo or a racist comment?

Or are you watching the JNN Jewish News Network?


Oops. That was a typo. Damn phone autocorrected news to Jews, I suspect.



Yeah, I was mulling.that one over. You were 85% of the way to your first suspension, based on prior bans for racist etc. statrments, but i wanted clarification from you. Glad you said it was a typo. I'm going to go back and edit it where I find it. * = edit in this and previous posts.



Autocorrect has messed up a LOT of posts and put unintended words instead. I had autocorrect put the word "" Dead," on a post I was making where I intended to write something like,"Face, " I was so shocked how incredibly far off autocorrect was from the word I wanted to say. O.O Luckily I caught it before pressing send.
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April 5th, 2018 at 7:57:31 AM permalink
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I was working in DC at that time, as a national liaison with the FAA. I got pulled into the investigation and aftermath, saw a lot of info that only came out a bit later, and some of it never has (sealed).



Pff... that just means you're in on the conspiracy. And the evidence you speak of is obviously fabricated. How much is Soros paying you, shill???






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April 5th, 2018 at 9:00:50 AM permalink
ZK is a conspiracy nut that refuses to do his own research or look at situations in a logical manner

He posted on here that David Hogg's mother worked for CNN because he saw it on a conspiracy site
That's good enough for ZK even though its total BS
Just a min of research proves David Hogg's mother did not work for CNN.
They took the CNN tour just like I took the CNN tour. You dont become a CNN employee just by taking the tour.
Just a min of research. Will ZK take that short min to research. Of course not. Just copies and pastes from conspiracy sites
Come on ZK. Do some thinking on your own instead of just copying and pasting
Do at least a couple min of research before posting conspiracies. Just peek at snopes. They are real good at detecting fake news
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April 5th, 2018 at 9:21:29 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

ZK is a conspiracy nut that refuses to do his own research or look at situations in a logical manner

He posted on here that David Hogg's mother worked for CNN because he saw it on a conspiracy site
That's good enough for ZK even tough its total BS
Just a min of research proves David Hogg's mother did not work for CNN.
They took the CNN tour just like I took the CNN tour. You dont become a CNN employee just by taking the tour.
Just a min of research. Will ZK take that short min to research. Of course not. Just copies and pastes from conspiracy sites
Come on ZK. Do some thinking on your own instead of just copying and pasting
Do at least a couple min of research before posting conspiracies. Just peek at snopes. They are real good at detecting fake news


Wake up sheeple, Snopes is compromised by the deep state
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April 5th, 2018 at 9:22:36 AM permalink
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April 5th, 2018 at 9:42:55 AM permalink
Quote: terapined


Just a min of research. Will ZK take that short min to research. Of course not. Just copies and pastes from conspiracy sites
Come on ZK. Do some thinking on your own instead of just copying and pasting



You'd think someone with the mental fortitude to count cards for a living would also be able to see through conspiracy nonsense.
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April 5th, 2018 at 9:52:50 AM permalink
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You'd think someone with the mental fortitude to count cards for a living would also be able to see through conspiracy nonsense.



Reminds me of a game show on MTV in the late 90’s.
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April 5th, 2018 at 11:33:08 AM permalink
RS blames the Jews and gets a pass.
I quote a thirty year old song lyric and get a three day vacay.
No justice, no peace.
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April 5th, 2018 at 12:16:54 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

RS blames the Jews and gets a pass.
I quote a thirty year old song lyric and get a three day vacay.
No justice, no peace.



He said it was a typo news channels not jews channels

The j is above the n on a keyboard so most likely was not autocorrect but his fat fingers (or small keypad)
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April 5th, 2018 at 12:46:05 PM permalink
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He said it was a typo news channels not jews channels

The j is above the n on a keyboard so most likely was not autocorrect but his fat fingers (or small keypad)



Now you are blaming genetics.
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April 5th, 2018 at 1:33:54 PM permalink
Autocorrect or predictive text.... you decide (-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 5th, 2018 at 1:37:27 PM permalink
Quote: billryan


It takes a mighty big man to insult high school kids.




Quote: SOOPOO

Just like here, you should attack the message and not the messenger.

But I think the high schoolers who are putting themselves out there in the public arena forfeit the 'protection' that many here want to afford them because they are youngsters.



Instead of debating the gun violence and gun regulation issue directly, many have chosen to mock, ridicule the Parkland kids for performing their civic duty. What a coward act and you can find their comments on this thread and other threads. For coward acts from others not from WoV, see summary below:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/29/17176174/laura-ingraham-boycott-david-hogg-guns

Here are some examples of other false, bizarre, and personal conservative attacks on March for Our Lives leaders:

Right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, the host of Infowars, has pushed conspiracy theories that the March for Our Lives organizers are “being funded” and “given scripts” — insinuating that they’re actors.

Conservative documentarian and noted troll Dinesh D’Souza tweeted in February, “How interesting to hear students who can’t support themselves for one day giving us lectures about American social policy.”

The campaign of Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who has a history of racism, posted a meme on his Facebook page mocking March for Our Lives organizer Emma Gonzalez for her Cuban heritage. The meme stated, “This is how you look when you claim Cuban heritage yet don’t speak Spanish and ignore the fact that your ancestors fled the island when the dictatorship turned Cuba into a prison camp, after removing all weapons from its citizens; hence their right to self defense.”

On Twitter, conservative figures, including actor Adam Baldwin, have shared fake images of Gonzalez tearing up the US Constitution. In the real image, she was tearing up a gun target.

The conservative outlet Breitbart rounded up tweets that falsely suggested Hogg performed a Nazi salute during the March for Our Lives in Washington, DC.

Infowars’ Jones also put out a video of Hogg’s March for Our Lives speech dubbed with an Adolf Hitler speech, and a separate video that depicted Gonzalez as a member of the Hitler Youth.

Leslie Gibson, a Republican candidate for the Maine state House, called Gonzalez a “skinhead lesbian” and Hogg a “moron” and a “baldfaced liar.” The comments drew so much criticism that he dropped out of the race.

Rick Santorum, a former Republican senator from Pennsylvania, argued that instead of advocating for gun control, Parkland survivors should take personal responsibility for preventing deadly shooters — and learn CPR: “How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that.” Santorum later said he misspoke.

Several conservative outlets falsely suggested that Gonzalez admitted to bullying the Parkland shooter. This is part of a broader victim-blaming campaign: It has become a common talking point to insinuate that the shooter only carried out the attack because he was socially isolated, so students should have tried to befriend him to prevent the shooting. (A Stoneman Douglas student wrote an op-ed in the New York Times in response to the claim, detailing the time she tried to befriend the shooter to no avail.)
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April 5th, 2018 at 2:07:34 PM permalink
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It is pretty simple, here's the breakdown...The gun regulation crowd is asking America to listen to survivors of the MSD tragedy for direction/input on how to change gun regulation. If we aren't asking the survivors of the FIU bridge collapse for their input on how to change bridge construction regulation and we don't ask passenger survivors of commercial airplane crashes for their input on new ATC regulation/protocols, why are we listening to David Hogg et al on what should be done about gun regulations?

I'll wait 3 days for a response as I see YOUR "anger" got you in trouble...again! Mental note, using the term "idiocy" directly referenced to an member doesn't qualify as an insult, good to know!



This is another example of your lacking of common sense.

We all have concerns about various issues such as tax, spending, deficit, abortion, trade, infrastructure, gun, traffic safety and etcetera. But since we all have hectic lives and sometime our lives can be very stressful, we cannot react to every single event. And sometime strategically it is better or more efficient to focus on one issue at a time. Consequently, we have to set priority, and the reason gun control is an important issue is because of the collateral damages or secondary targets where anyone can become an innocent victim of daily gun violence. Yes, airline crashes and FIU bridge collapse can be important issues to few people, but to link them with gun control in your reasoning is pure non-sense, if not idiotic.

The fact that I find idiocy and angriness in your message, and my factual statements about RS’s lack of reading compression in my prior replies is not a personal attack on you and RS. Let me repeat again, it is not a personal attack. I don’t attack the messenger, but I attack the message. I can’t help that you feel insult, and I have no control over or emotion. I think you are too thin-skinned to survive the rough and controversial gun control debate or any other political debates. Do you cry like a girl every time someone attacks your messages? I hope not, but if you do, here is my friendly advice to you: if you can’t stand the heat, then get out the kitchen.

No, I am not angry, and I have no idea why you think that I was angry because of RS’ lack of reading comprehension, your unintelligent, non-sense, and idiotic message. Well, you have the right to your observation, but nevertheless I’m glad that you bring up the topic “anger” again. Speaking of anger, it is appropriate to frame this anger issue in the context of gun control regulation because “anger” is a natural human behavior (impossible to “ban”), unpredictable, very difficult to control and often time can lead to deadly consequences.

I want to talk about the combination anger & gun in detail, and was considering writing a very lengthy discussion that would be as long as Face’s typical lengthy responses, but from my experience with your several responses with “tldr” in angry tone, and I sincerely want to lend RS a helping hand, it would be more effective for me to get the anger & gun message across using an analogy in one short sentence: Gun in angry hand is as deadly as or even more destructive than drinking and driving.
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April 5th, 2018 at 2:50:39 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

It is pretty simple, here's the breakdown...The gun regulation crowd is asking America to listen to survivors of the MSD tragedy for direction/input on how to change gun regulation.


I am for gun control
I am not asking you to listen to the survivors from MSD
That is your choice. Choose to listen to them or choose not to
I would imagine not a single conservative will listen to high school kids that simply tweet about gun control(in reality, its the opposite which surprises me)
A gazillion people have opinions on gun control
You listen to whoever you want to
What really amazes me is conservatives are CHOOSING to listen to high school kids tweeting about gun control.
That is a choice
Breibart has the choice of not covering theses kids
Instead, Briebart chooses to cover these kids very closely
This is a choice by Breibart
Nobody tells Breibart what to cover
If Breibart wants to make these kids famous, they will and have and are making them famous
This is the choice conservatives made. They chose to listen. They are choosing to help these kids be famous.
Laura Ingraham chose to help David Hogg stay famous
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 5th, 2018 at 3:04:31 PM permalink
Some people never learn, and I am not talking about Bill.
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April 5th, 2018 at 3:08:20 PM permalink
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What really amazes me is conservatives are CHOOSING to listen to high school kids tweeting about gun control.



It's the only reason Hillary is still in the news, too; because conservatives want her to be.
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April 5th, 2018 at 5:46:00 PM permalink
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ZK is a conspiracy nut that refuses to do his own research or look at situations in a logical manner

He posted on here that David Hogg's mother worked for CNN because he saw it on a conspiracy site
That's good enough for ZK even though its total BS
Just a min of research proves David Hogg's mother did not work for CNN.
They took the CNN tour just like I took the CNN tour. You dont become a CNN employee just by taking the tour.
Just a min of research. Will ZK take that short min to research. Of course not. Just copies and pastes from conspiracy sites
Come on ZK. Do some thinking on your own instead of just copying and pasting
Do at least a couple min of research before posting conspiracies. Just peek at snopes. They are real good at detecting fake news



I have mentioned nothing about david hoggs and his mother working for cnn, that was someone else.

If youre gonna accuse someone, at least know 'WHO' said whatever the hell they said.

Nice try trying to call me a conspiracy nut by grouping the david hoggs thing and his mother working for cnn to fit your attack.
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April 5th, 2018 at 5:46:10 PM permalink
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-students-marjory-stoneman-march-for-our-lives-gun-violence-movement_us_5ac5548ce4b056a8f59810f9

Kid using his white privilege for publicity. Continuing to be the most divisive person in America since OJ Simpson. But hey, he’s only 17, what does he know about how to handle himself with sudden fame being thrust upon him? He probably doesn’t even want it, lol.
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April 5th, 2018 at 6:26:19 PM permalink
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Continuing to be the most divisive person in America since OJ Simpson.



Did Trump go somewhere?
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April 5th, 2018 at 6:32:08 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I have mentioned nothing about david hoggs and his mother working for cnn, that was someone else.

If youre gonna accuse someone, at least know 'WHO' said whatever the hell they said.

Nice try trying to call me a conspiracy nut by grouping the david hoggs thing and his mother working for cnn to fit your attack.


Sorry
getting posters that post conspiracies mixed up
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 5th, 2018 at 6:38:12 PM permalink
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Kid using his white privilege for publicity. Continuing to be the most divisive person in America since OJ Simpson. But hey, he’s only 17, what does he know about how to handle himself with sudden fame being thrust upon him? He probably doesn’t even want it, lol.


He's only 17 and you are listening to him?
WHY
He's only 17.
How can he be the most divisive person in America?
He's just a kid. I don't think he even has a vote yet.
Why are conservatives listening to a 17 year old?
Is this kid the next coming of EF Hutton. He speaks and conservatives listen to his every word and tweet.
WHY?
You show me any conservative 17yr old and I will totally ignore that person
ROTFL
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April 5th, 2018 at 6:58:17 PM permalink
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He's only 17 and you are listening to him?
WHY
He's only 17.
How can he be the most divisive person in America?
He's just a kid. I don't think he even has a vote yet.
Why are conservatives listening to a 17 year old?
Is this kid the next coming of EF Hutton. He speaks and conservatives listen to his every word and tweet.
WHY?
You show me any conservative 17yr old and I will totally ignore that person
ROTFL



Why am I listening to him? That’s easy, because liberals are doing the exact same thing. The networks are giving him time every day to spew his views. Why would you not be concerned with someone who is getting free air time to push views that go against one’s belief system? One so set in his beliefs in that he steps over minority peers to push his agenda.

Anything can happen and it’s always best to know what your enemy is doing. And yes, this 17 YO is the enemy of legal gun owners everywhere. Why wait until it is too late to pay attention?
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April 5th, 2018 at 8:06:57 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Why am I listening to him? That’s easy, because liberals are doing the exact same thing. The networks are giving him time every day to spew his views. Why would you not be concerned with someone who is getting free air time to push views that go against one’s belief system? One so set in his beliefs in that he steps over minority peers to push his agenda.

Anything can happen and it’s always best to know what your enemy is doing. And yes, this 17 YO is the enemy of legal gun owners everywhere. Why wait until it is too late to pay attention?


I still don't know why you listen to him. A 17 yr that cant even vote.
Take Ann Coulter
I ignore her. I certainly support her free speech rights but that's about it
Take Hannity. He is on TV a lot more then Hogg. I'm not sure but I think its an hour every nite
I ignore Hannity and he has a much bigger platform then Hogg
I could care less what those 2 have to say
That Milo guy, the gay conservative. Cant even pronounce his last name. Certainly not going to listen to him
Its kind of weird. Conservative get fixated on who they don't like and listen to those activists on the left more then Libs do
I could care less what Hillary says yet conservatives hang on her every word.
Kind of weird
My advice. Don't like what somebody says, ignore that person
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April 5th, 2018 at 9:34:15 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

He's only 17 and you are listening to him?
WHY
He's only 17.
How can he be the most divisive person in America?
He's just a kid. I don't think he even has a vote yet.
Why are conservatives listening to a 17 year old?
Is this kid the next coming of EF Hutton. He speaks and conservatives listen to his every word and tweet.
WHY?
You show me any conservative 17yr old and I will totally ignore that person
ROTFL


"OMG U ONLY WATCH FAUX NEWZ!!! U SHUD WACH CNN AND MSNBC BECUZ THERE REAL"

"OMG Y U LISTEN 2 DAVID HOGGZ? U SHUOLD BE WATCHIN FOX NEWS OR BRIETBART OR INFO WARS!"
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April 6th, 2018 at 12:17:30 AM permalink
Does it really surprise anyone that people too afraid to leave their house without enough firepower to start a war are afraid of a 17 year old?
Maybe it would be easier if they list what terrifies them, so we can try and protect them from it.
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April 6th, 2018 at 8:01:29 AM permalink
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Does it really surprise anyone that people too afraid to leave their house without enough firepower to start a war are afraid of a 17 year old?
Maybe it would be easier if they list what terrifies them, so we can try and protect them from it.



At this point it would probably be easier to make a list of what DOESN'T terrify them.
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April 6th, 2018 at 8:14:38 AM permalink
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At this point it would probably be easier to make a list of what DOESN'T terrify them.



The only thing on that list seems to be Donald Trump

Oh the irony
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April 6th, 2018 at 9:46:01 AM permalink
Group of kids walk out of high school in support of 2nd amendment.

Surely Fox News and other conservative talking heads are going to start railing on these kids because "what do idiot kids know about politics! They're too young to even vote!"

I'm sure it will happen any second now...

Any... second... now....
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April 6th, 2018 at 11:10:15 AM permalink
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Group of kids walk out of high school in support of 2nd amendment.

Surely Fox News and other conservative talking heads are going to start railing on these kids because "what do idiot kids know about politics! They're too young to even vote!"

I'm sure it will happen any second now...

Any... second... now....


I support ALL high school kids freedom of speech regardless of politics
No way would I compare these right wing kids to Hitler or a child molester as some members have
EVERYBODY has a right to free speech regardless of politics
I hope they put on a march as large as March for our lives
I am totally ok with these kids
Still amazes me how much the Right hates David Hogg
I certainly don't hate any right wing HS students simply because they support guns
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 7th, 2018 at 3:18:52 PM permalink
Haha.... hoo boy...

NRA board member and noted coward Ted Nugent says liberals, Democrats, RINOs, the media, Hollywood, academia, and half the government should literally be murdered on sight.

That's not an exaggeration, not taken out of context... he literally said exactly that.
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April 7th, 2018 at 3:29:43 PM permalink
Ted has six children with four women( sound familiar?) and At a Republican event in February 2012, Nugent said, "The whole world sucks, but America still sucks less,"
What a role model.
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