Pedestrian Killed Driverless Car
I don't buy it.
I'd rather be killed by a human than a robot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Quote: lilredroosterbeing tested by Uber. Obviously someone is going to say so what, lots are killed by cars driven by humans.
I don't buy it.
I'd rather be killed by a human than a robot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
So what. Google has been testing self driving cars for 9 years. One partially at fault accident. I'll take my chances with a self driving car over a dude with 2 dui's in his past, a teen driver or an 80 year old that can barely see any day.
I bet when the info comes out, this pedestrian crossed in front of the car at the last second and no car, driver or not could have avoided it.
ZCore13
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/woman-struck-killed-by-car-while-walking/718468233
Quote: FleaStiffa woman who ran across the street in the rain right in front of the car that was not near a crosswalk or intersection of any sort.
happens 100,000 times every single day. I do it myself about twice per day.
Quote: GWAEHere in Pittsburgh there are 2 leading stories. The uber driverless car killing someone that was walking across the street and coinincedentally an older guy jumping the curb and running over someone on the sidewalk. They chalk that one up to a medical emergency.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/woman-struck-killed-by-car-while-walking/718468233
Your post reminds me of a story that made the local news when I was 12. Even as a 12 year old child it pissed me off, so you know it's really bad. Here it goes. A drunk female driver hit a 5 year old who was innocently playing in his front yard as many little kids do. She jumped the sidewalk and drove into the lawn, killing him. That poor kid. He'd only be in his mid 20's today, so sad. :(
another uber rapist story - lots and lots of uber rapist stories
some are going to say it happens just as often with taxi drivers but they don't report it. I don't think so. they would report it. that comment is BS.
uber doesn't vet its drivers with nearly as much due diligence as do regulatory authorities over taxi drivers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/03/19/police-noticed-suspicious-activity-in-a-parked-car-and-arrested-an-uber-driver-for-rape/?utm_term=.dbb74dff6608
Quote: NathanYour post reminds me of a story that made the local news when I was 12. Even as a 12 year old child it pissed me off, so you know it's really bad. Here it goes. A drunk female driver hit a 5 year old who was innocently playing in his front yard as many little kids do. She jumped the sidewalk and drove into the lawn, killing him. That poor kid. He'd only be in his mid 20's today, so sad. :(
You mean like this one.
http://people.com/crime/6-year-old-killed-by-drunk-driver-in-pennsylvania-cops/
Her sister is in my sons preschool class and I went to High school with the mother. We felt terrible for a long time, we still do.
Quote: RogerKintAn Uber driver plowed into the back of my car in Vegas. She was a woman who appeared to identify as a man and was screaming curses at me while approaching my car. In that instance, I would have preferred to be rear-ended by a robot. Giggity.
Was it Cyborg Santos the UFC fighter? She fought in Vegas a few weeks ago. I was at the fight.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Was it Cyborg Santos the UFC fighter? She fought in Vegas a few weeks ago. I was at the fight.
ZCore13
Is she black and frumpy?
Quote: RogerKintIs she black and frumpy?
No. Huge, white and muscular. And very manly.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13No. Huge, white and muscular. And very manly.
ZCore13
Oh, then it wasn't her. The only weights this person appeared to lift was boxes of Dunkaroos.
Have you ever been in a cab with a "regular" cab driver? lol most are rude, smelly, and sketchy as hell. I think you're gambling with your driver either way, and either way you have a rather low chance of an issue occurring. I'm still hoping Uber completely puts the over priced shady taxi services out of business. When I used to take a cab from vegas airport to like MGM every single time I'd get a different price and the driver wouldn't be able to "make change" so he suggested letting him keep the extra cash. There was a problem, a human came up with a better solution. Bye taxi's.Quote: lilredrooster...uber doesn't vet its drivers with nearly as much due diligence as do regulatory authorities over taxi drivers...
As far as the driver-less fatality. I don't think we'll ever be able to get rid of all accidents, drivers or not. It's just going to happen one way or another due to unforeseen factors. We can continue to learn and update with each event, which would be a step forward in my opinion, since one software update and all the driver-less cars start doing the new action requested (can't do that with regular drivers).
Quote: RomesHave you ever been in a cab with a "regular" cab driver? lol most are rude, smelly, and sketchy as hell. I think you're gambling with your driver either way, and either way you have a rather low chance of an issue occurring. I'm still hoping Uber completely puts the over priced shady taxi services out of business. When I used to take a cab from vegas airport to like MGM every single time I'd get a different price and the driver wouldn't be able to "make change" so he suggested letting him keep the extra cash. There was a problem, a human came up with a better solution.
Nice post. Except you're not a woman. the problems you mentioned with taxi drivers are common.
RAPE is not so common. unless you follow the news on Uber.
as far as believing driverless cars will soon improve greatly. maybe but not soon. as far as trusting technology; you've got to be kidding.
there was a story out there just the other day that Russia has the power and knowledge to shut down whole portions of the U.S. electrical grid through cyber stuff. they were bragging about it.
stories every day about messed up stuff with technology.
I and probably everybody else here gets targeted by about 15 scams per day via email.
look around you Romes. wake up and smell the coffee. the world is changing. but it's not getting better.
you yourself are now likely to have more of a hard time because of facial recognition software. I'll bet a lot of money you're not thrilled about that technology.
note: Uber was granted a huge advantage over the taxi industry because they were allowed to operate with MUCH LESS regulation.
I don't say that they shouldn't have been allowed to compete against taxis. but they SHOULD NOT have been granted that advantage.
Not the sort of person who should be working as a for hire worker. No taxi commission would have approved her.
.If uber can't vet these driver's right now when it's hiring dozens of them, what happens when it is adding thousands of new employees? It isn't that they can't vet them, it's they think they don't have to.
Quote: billryanThe operator of the uber car was a convicted felon who spent four years in prison on robbery charges.
Please list for me the type of jobs that ex-cons should be allowed to have?
Plumber?
Bowling alley cashier?
Pizza Hut delivery woman?
Casino craps dealer?
Anesthesiologist?
Museum curator?
Quote: billryanThe operator of the uber car was a convicted felon who spent four years in prison on robbery charges.
Not the sort of person who should be working as a for hire worker. No taxi commission would have approved her.
.If uber can't vet these driver's right now when it's hiring dozens of them, what happens when it is adding thousands of new employees? It isn't that they can't vet them, it's they think they don't have to.
Thank you Bill for seeing the world clearly.
Authorities all over the world saw slowing down Uber as impeding technology and disallowing new ventures featuring tech to bloom which is something they didn't want to take heat for from the go go growth tech sector and their cheerleaders.
As usual the authorities screwed things up and now this woman and many others like her have had their lives deeply adversely affected.
All but Anesthesiologist, the cons might step on the gas.Quote: SOOPOOPlease list for me the type of jobs that ex-cons should be allowed to have?
Plumber?
Bowling alley cashier?
Pizza Hut delivery woman?
Casino craps dealer?
Anesthesiologist?
Museum curator?
Quote: SOOPOOPlease list for me the type of jobs that ex-cons should be allowed to have?
Plumber?
Bowling alley cashier?
Pizza Hut delivery woman?
Casino craps dealer?
Anesthesiologist?
Museum curator?
you are or were a Doctor.
How about if an ex con who had been convicted of rape and robbing and smashing the glass display cases in a jewelry store passed the course to be a Medical Assistant.
Would you hire him?
Quote: lilredroosteryou are or were a Doctor.
How about if an ex con who had been convicted of rape and robbing and smashing the glass display cases in a jewelry store passed the course to be a Medical Assistant.
Would you hire him?
No, I wouldn't, if I was in charge of hiring. But that would be for ANY job that I personally would be responsible for the hiring decision. Any of the 6 I mentioned, basically randomly. My point is that if we let a felon back into society, now an ex-con, what is he/she supposed to do? I'm not saying I have the answer, by the way....
By the way, I am a Doctor, and will continue to be one until the day I die. I am hoping to be a RETIRED doctor for many of those years.
Please show me any factual study that shows you're more likely to get raped using an Uber as opposed to a Taxi Cab. IF there have been X reported "rapings" using uber, I'm sure there have been 100 million rides which would make your chance of having that happen x/100,000,000... more than likely a fraction of a percent. It's quite misleading to claim Uber's have a "higher" rape rate if the rates are .001% and .002%... and again I'll await to see the offical reports you're getting your information from (because dear god I hope you're not getting your information from unaccredited news sites or facebook).Quote: lilredroosterNice post. Except you're not a woman. the problems you mentioned with taxi drivers are common.
RAPE is not so common. unless you follow the news on Uber...
Yeah, because they haven't had driver-less cars on the road for 10 years already... and no one is saying you have to completely trust them right this second. It's a work in progress, for a decade, and for longer... so when we DO finally put that level of trust in to them, we can be rather sure it's justified trust. No one is asking anyone to trust anything blindly (except your comments about Uber rape above).Quote: lilredroosteras far as believing driverless cars will soon improve greatly. maybe but not soon. as far as trusting technology; you've got to be kidding.
I assume this was from a proven and accredited source? Just because you read something on a one off site, or something not sourced, or facebook, DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.Quote: lilredroosterthere was a story out there just the other day that Russia has the power and knowledge to shut down whole portions of the U.S. electrical grid through cyber stuff. they were bragging about it.
Again, from where? What stories?Quote: lilredroosterstories every day about messed up stuff with technology...
There will always be a rat race of new technology being used for good and evil. Really, the world isn't better than it was 80 years ago? Wanna compare life expectancy, technology, health care, etc, etc, etc??? Pretty sure 80 years ago we couldn't even HAVE this discussion via the non-existent internet. Pretty sure 80 years ago people in the US were dying of starvation. It is pure ignorance to think that the world today isn't better than years past... and sure, with each new advancement comes new challenges to face. Just like casinos will always be beat, and hackers will always hack... there will be people AP'ing casinos until they're gone, and there will be white-hat, or "good" hackers to protect us. Saying the world is sh*t is the easy way out from engaging in meaningful discussion on what's wrong and how to go about fixing it instead of sitting back, finding a scapegoat, and claiming "THEY TOOK URRRRRRRRR JOBBBBS!"Quote: lilredroosterI and probably everybody else here gets targeted by about 15 scams per day via email.
look around you Romes. wake up and smell the coffee. the world is changing. but it's not getting better.
100% genuinely hasn't effected me at all. Not one bit. And again, even facial recognition is built on a system of rules. All we have to do is learn them and learn how to contort them to our liking. It's advancement, and a rat race that is AP'ing... just like life. How many other AP's do you see saying "OMG FACIAL RECOGNITION IS HERE, I'M DONE AP'ING FOR LIFE!" No one... we'll just find a way around it, like everything else. Remember when 6 deck shoes were the answer to card counters? lol...Quote: lilredroosteryou yourself are now likely to have more of a hard time because of facial recognition software. I'll bet a lot of money you're not thrilled about that technology.
For instance, if I'm awake, and I see the city bridge collapse in front of me, will the AI have the necessary wits to not drive off the edge? If I see thick smoke in the distance, or a dust storm, will the car know not to drive into it at full speed if it has not yet received updates about conditions ahead. Will it detect a flooded road, from a flash flood that has occurred in the last few minutes.
If I'm snoozing in the car, letting the car drive is it going to deliver me to the grave while I'm asleep?. These are things I don't worry about too much on the automated airport shuttle. (though I do daydream a bit about awful accidents occurring on those and how that might happen)
and you question that.
are you serious? what planet are you living on?
I'm not going to provide sources for something so obvious as that.
You question there have been a lot of rapes on Uber rides.
And you call me ignorant.
Well dude there's this little thing out there called google. Why don't you find that site and do a little research and see if I'm making things up. You decide if the sources are reputable.
You doubt the Russia thing? Well here's just one source. The Washington Post. Think they're fake news? Well go look and you'll find a lot of other sources claiming the same thing and maybe you won't think some of them are fake.
I'm not your research assistant. I'm not your secretary. I'm not going to provide you with all of the answers. You need to open up your eyes buddy.
Go ahead and get the last word dude. I'm out of here. I've done enough research for today. Every single morning I spend about 2.5 hours scanning news sites all over the world and fully read about 25 articles.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-has-developed-a-cyber-weapon-that-can-disrupt-power-grids-according-to-new-research/2017/06/11/b91b773e-4eed-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.4d76fa2792e0
That's the most blind blanketed statement ever. Okay, there's also stories every day about how great technology is... and a lot more of them... so I must be right. If you have a specific problem, cite a specific source highlighting said problem to prove it exists, rather than saying "oh there are technology problems... what kind? dunno don't care there just are!'Quote: lilredroosterRomes: I write "stories every day about messed up stuff with technology."
and you question that.
are you serious? what planet are you living on?
Yes, I do. I haven't heard of any stories, and I'm not saying there aren't stories, but if this happens all the time which you make it sound then I'm sure I would have heard of at least one by now. Again, I'm sure they exist, but as I stated in my first post... I want the full number of X rapes over Y uber rides... Let's see just how likely you are to actually get raped in an uber... probably more likely to be attacked by a shark.Quote: lilredroosterYou question there have been a lot of rapes on Uber rides.
LOL and it's MY BURDEN to prove your false/misleading statements false/misleading? If you're going to post something such as "ubers have rape all the time" then YOU need to back it up by using Google with some proper sources. Otherwise you could just be making ti all up. Hey, I read somewhere (doesn't matter if it was on notepad on my own computer) that we're all gonna get $1 million tomorrow! So you should give me $100 today for sharing that awesome info! It's on YOU to go google and find out if that's true or not, but just take what I said at face value! lol that's just ludicrous. I responded to YOU originally. YOU posted your OPINIONS (not facts) and I simply asked you to back up your OPINIONS with facts, which you have not done.Quote: lilredroosterWell dude there's this little thing out there called google.
Yes, but you ARE someone spreading information to other people so you should take responsibility for your own posts and cite credible sources and not spread propaganda and fake crap. If you're going to claim something, BACK IT UP. It's on the claimer to provide proof, not everyone else lol.Quote: lilredroosterI'm not your research assistant. I'm not your secretary. I'm not going to provide you with all of the answers. You need to open up your eyes buddy.
Your article doesn't prove ANYTHING. It says researchers "believe" they have a technology to crash things... and with MODIFICATIONS it MAY be able to be used against the US. i.e. they have nothing that can do anything to us at this point in time and it doesn't even touch on the topic of our counter-intelligence whom may (or may not) have the ability to stop it. Thus, you're reading the article to your own conclusions and not what's actually in the article. Then, you're spreading your own MISLEADING conclusions to others.Quote: lilredroosterhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-has-developed-a-cyber-weapon-that-can-disrupt-power-grids-according-to-new-research/2017/06/11/b91b773e-4eed-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.4d76fa2792e0
Quote: gordonm888wow, people posting on this thread must really like to argue. So much anger.
STFU!!! What planet do you even live on, buddy!!!
I guess I'm just getting hideously sick of misinformation and how unbelievably irresponsible people are for posting complete garbage and passing it along like it's fact. Opinions ARE NOT Facts and it's pathetic to see so many people doing so, which is how false information gets spread as truth, which leads to so many idiotic things in our society (like trump getting elected).Quote: gordonm888wow, people posting on this thread must really like to argue. So much anger.
I seriously would like to ask all Moderators: if someone wants to post something that they're claiming is a FACT, make them cite their sources and back it up. If they're claiming "this is just my opinion" then whatever, but if they want to pass it off as fact they must back their crap up or get the red title. Allowing the spreading of misinformation on your site is on all of you as well as us. It lessens the community in so many ways and just spreads pure idiocy/ignorance. Let's do what all AP's do... Let's champion math, science, and logic... After all, isn't that what WOO/WOV are supposed to be about, in relation to gambling?
Quote: Washington Post:
"The malware, which researchers have dubbed CrashOverride, is KNOWN to have disrupted only one energy system — in Ukraine in December. In that incident, the hackers briefly shut down one-fifth of the electric power generated in Kiev."
I don't know why I'm still here.
I cite a source, so what. You or someone else calls it fake news.
You cite a source, so what. I call it fake news.
I'm definitely out of here now. Get the last word dude. Call me ignorant again. It's your world and maybe you're good friends with the mods. Get me banned if you can and if you want. Who cares. Not me.
With modifications, I could use my computer to take down Russia. That's the truth, isn't it? Even though it'll never happen and/or is 1,000 years away from happening, right?Quote: Your ArticleBut with modifications, it could be deployed against U.S. electric transmission and distribution systems...
And I'd bet my life against $10.00 that if I said something negative about Trump you wouldn't demand sources.
Sources are ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL!!!!
right. sure they are. so you or somebody else can call the source fake news.
your message to the mods is laughable.
I'm going to send it to Saturday Night Live.
Quote:Police say a video from the Uber self-driving car that struck and killed a woman on Sunday shows her moving in front of it suddenly, a factor that investigators are likely to focus on as they assess the performance of the technology in the first pedestrian fatality involving an autonomous vehicle.
The Uber had a forward-facing video recorder, which showed the woman was walking a bike at about 10 p.m. and moved into traffic from a dark center median. "It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode,” Sylvia Moir, the police chief in Tempe, Arizona, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
I’m not talking about this case, I don’t have an opinion whether or not the car was at fault of it it was the pedestrian’s fault since I haven’t read no articles and ain’t done no research on it. I’m just talking in general.
And Tempe should pay for their street lighting by charging a teeny little bit via PayPal for views of that video.
don't want those new fangled things
nooooooooooooooooo. 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙝𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙮𝙨 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙥𝙡𝙖𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙪𝙣𝙚
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/waymo-self-driving-cars-arizona-attacks.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage
Quote: lilredroosterthey don't care too much for driverless cars in Arizona
don't want those new fangled things
nooooooooooooooooo. 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙝𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙮𝙨 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙥𝙡𝙖𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙪𝙣𝙚
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/waymo-self-driving-cars-arizona-attacks.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage
Self driving cars are a horrible idea IMHO. A woman last year was killed by a self driving Uber car. IIRC, she had walked in front of the self driving Uber car suddenly and the car struck her. Outraged and concerned Citizens cried that a human controlled car could have stopped on the brakes just in time. IIRC, Uber took self driving Uber cars off the market after that. I don't blame them.
Quote: NathanQuote: lilredroosterthey don't care too much for driverless cars in Arizona
don't want those new fangled things
nooooooooooooooooo. 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙝𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙮𝙨 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙥𝙡𝙖𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙪𝙣𝙚
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/waymo-self-driving-cars-arizona-attacks.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage
Self driving cars are a horrible idea IMHO. A woman last year was killed by a self driving Uber car. IIRC, she had walked in front of the self driving Uber car suddenly and the car struck her. Outraged and concerned Citizens cried that a human controlled car could have stopped on the brakes just in time. IIRC, Uber took self driving Uber cars off the market after that. I don't blame them.
A woman was killed by a drunk driver last night
A woman was killed by a distrscted driver last night
A woman was killed by a _____________ last night
People die everyday. There has been 1 person killed by a driverless vehicle and they have had many many many hours on the road. Here in Pittsburgh UBER has an entire city built for training. Google uber fake city pittsburgh , it is kinda weird.
Of course, they are still in the testing phase so there are always two people up front monitoring everything and able to shift into manual mode if the car is about to do something crazy.
As far as I can tell, they are still a LONG ways away from being truly driverless.
It's a mini mobile home, with widescreen tv, satellite,and internet access,shower and mini bar. It comes to you and drops you off where and when you want. They claim 12 hour battery life will get you pretty much anywhere on the East Coast and batteries will be able to be easily swapped out for 24 hour service.
Quote: Nathan
Self driving cars are a horrible idea IMHO. A woman last year was killed by a self driving Uber car. IIRC, she had walked in front of the self driving Uber car suddenly and the car struck her. Outraged and concerned Citizens cried that a human controlled car could have stopped on the brakes just in time. IIRC, Uber took self driving Uber cars off the market after that. I don't blame them.
I had this conversation with my young adult son. I said all deaths due to a driverless vehicle will seem preventable and avoidable. His response reeked of logic. He said the statistics show that human drivers are 10 times as likely to be involved in a serious accident than driverless vehicles. So If there are 50,000 deaths a year now due to MVAs, if all cars were driverless it would drop to 5,000. The problem is the families of the 5,000 would be up in arms, and the 45,000 saved are voiceless.
Quote: SOOPOOthe statistics show that human drivers are 10 times as likely to be involved in a serious accident than driverless vehicles.
what statistics?
driverless cars haven't been around long enough and there aren't enough of them to have any kind of meaningful statistical study
what does a driverless car do when it gets a flat tire? the kind of flat that's down to the wheel and can't be driven on?
can it change its own tire?...............................😌
Quote: lilredroosteryeah, and I guess driverless cars won't be getting drunk before they decide to take a spin
what does a driverless car do when it gets a flat tire? the kind of flat that's down to the wheel and can't be driven on?
can it change its own tire?...............................😌
Most drivers can’t change their own tire, and many cars no longer come with a spare. Run flat to the nearest station or pull over and call AAA. Neither seems an insurmountable issue for a driverless car.
That's awesome!!!Quote: billryanThere is a company testing self driving hotel rooms. This could change the entire hotel industry. Imagine you are sightseeing in Manhattan. You have a nice dinner, summon your hotel room, and wake up the next morning in DC.
It's a mini mobile home, with widescreen tv, satellite,and internet access,shower and mini bar. It comes to you and drops you off where and when you want. They claim 12 hour battery life will get you pretty much anywhere on the East Coast and batteries will be able to be easily swapped out for 24 hour service.
