WTF?
How common is this?
Quote: BTLWII did way too many edibles at once (50mg) in June when I was out there. When it peaked I ended up sweating it out in a Planet Hollywood bathroom stall for 20-25 minutes until I was coherent enough to be able to sit at a VP machine by myself. One of those full body sweats where even my forearms were drenched. I was on the borderline of asking the next person that walked in to call security and have them get me a wheelchair to get me out of the bathroom. Luckily I knew it was just a weed high, that I wasn't going to die, and that I could just wait it out.
I can definitely see people doing too much edibles and freaking out like that lady that wrote that famous article. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/opinion/dowd-dont-harsh-our-mellow-dude.html
My other edibles were 20mg each and half a bite and half a bite an hour and a half later was perfect dosing.
Right now you can only buy edibles where 1 portion is 10mg. I think you can buy up to 10 doses at a time or something to that effect. The dispensery I was at was very good at providing instructions and suggestions in using responsibly.
Quote: MrVWhat's this about casino room exhaust venting directly into the hallway?
WTF?
How common is this?
News to me, too. I wonder if the bathroom fan in hotel rooms exhausts into the ceiling space, which may directly connect to the area over the hallway. (But, no one ever called me a "builder," and for good reason.)
Is there an architect in WoV? Or, perhaps, a building engineer? An informed opinion would be appreciated.
Quote: MrVWhat's this about casino room exhaust venting directly into the hallway?
It doesn't, or every hallway would smell like poop.
Quote: gamerfreakEveryone is different. Same with alcohol. Some people are angry drunks, some love everyone and everything when they drink. Although I've never seen weed make anyone violent.
I'll also say the effects can be very different between strains. Indica dominate strains give you that body high and "couch lock" feel you're describing. Sativa dominate strains give a much more energetic high.
Sativas get you high, Indicas get you stoned. Sativas are good for making music & art, Indicas are good for listening to music & visiting museums. Sativas are for going to work, Indicas are for going to sleep.
I live in Washington.
Quote: zippyboySativas get you high, Indicas get you stoned. Sativas are good for making music & art, Indicas are good for listening to music & visiting museums. Sativas are for going to work, Indicas are for going to sleep.
I live in Washington.
And hybrids get you high and stoned :)
Quote: gamerfreakRight now you can only buy edibles where 1 portion is 10mg. I think you can buy up to 10 doses at a time or something to that effect. The dispensery I was at was very good at providing instructions and suggestions in using responsibly.
It was a 100mg bar and said 10 servings - but it was uncut. The nice crispy bar.
Quote: BTLWIIt was a 100mg bar and said 10 servings - but it was uncut. The nice crispy bar.
I got the same brand vape pen as you, only the hybrid. Didn't last so long but was decently priced.
Quote: IbeatyouracesNo but they'll get airport police on it.
On what? It's legal to possess it in Nevada. What can they do? Call ahead and tell the cops in NY someone has a small amount of pot on them?
Quote: billryanOn what? It's legal to possess it in Nevada. What can they do? Call ahead and tell the cops in NY someone has a small amount of pot on them?
TSA is federal, part of Homeland Security. Pot is still a federal offense. States rights don't help when you're boarding an airplane for hire, whether private plane or airline; if you're a paying passenger, you can't .have it, even if it's medicinal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/merryjane.com/amp/flying-with-your-stash-what-you-need-to-know
I do expect this to go through SCOTUS sometime soon, though. Depends how quickly the rest if the states legalize, IMO.
I made oil as shown how, on youtube. I have an eye dropper bottle and put it in my tea at night with some honey. It tastes great and is definitely medicinal.Quote: beachbumbabsI chilled out, my chronic back pain disappeared, and I slept better than the previous few weeks, woke up refreshed.
Back in the day, I had a bunch of sticks and stems and an old percolator coffee maker. I percolated it until the viewing glass showed the tea had turned green. It makes a very nice tea.
Also yes, pain is one of the first reasons accepted for an mmj license. That and cancer. No problem getting a license [if it ever matters] for diagnosed pain.
We can thank Colorado for figuring out the standardizing of "a dose". Out this way an edible "dose" is determined to be 10mg. of thc. YMMV.
For anyone's first try at edibles, IMO start with 1/2 a dose, unless you are just in a big hurry to get high. It also takes 1/2 to 2 hours to feel the complete effects of your buzz.
Quote: beachbumbabs
I finally tried some one night last month from a friend, and wow! I chilled out, my chronic back pain disappeared, and I slept better than the previous few weeks, woke up refreshed. It only took about 4 drags from a small pinch of pure medicinal grade kush to feel the effects.
cannabis oil for pain relief with the active ingredient thc removed is probably legal everywhere in the u.s. there is some controversy about whether or not it is legal but it is being sold by amazon and it is not on the FDA's banned substance list. the oils get excellent reviews on amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Cannabis-Therapeutic-Essential-Edens-Garden/dp/B01MFFZ3AJ?th=1
https://quitsmokingcommunity.org/best-cbd-oil/cannabis-oil-legal-status/
" the FDA considers Hemp oil and CBD (which is the derivative) a dietary supplement and not medication because they’re made from industrial hemp plants. This makes cannabidiol from Industrial hemp legal in any state as long as you’re living in the United States."
Quote: billryanOn what? It's legal to possess it in Nevada. What can they do? Call ahead and tell the cops in NY someone has a small amount of pot on them?
Airports are the exception
In Denver, marijuana is illegal at the airport but legal everyplace else in Denver
Quote: billryanCurious to see how TSA handles weed at the airport. They are not law enforcement.,
They will probably handle it the same way they do now when a traveller is found to be carrying a lot of cash. They will inform the local authorities to be on the lookout for that person at his/her final destination.
Quote: billryanOn what? It's legal to possess it in Nevada. What can they do? Call ahead and tell the cops in NY someone has a small amount of pot on them?
Didn't you get the memo?
Our new Attorney General has directed all (federal) law enforcement (think broadly here...) to enforce anti-drug laws to the fullest extent allowed by statute. Plus, Feds get a portion of other seized assets (money, car as you are leaving the airport parking lot, etc.) from a drug "bust."
Quote: LuckyPhow
Our new Attorney General has directed all (federal) law enforcement (think broadly here...) to enforce anti-drug laws to the fullest extent allowed by statute.
those are just words. typical of the u.s. government to issue a document with words that they then do not subscribe to. Marijuana is still against federal law everywhere including the states that have legalized it. there are huge marijuana enterprises: retailing, distributing, warehousing, growing and shipping that have not been touched since the new administration took power. the huge operations are fearful, but so far nothing has been done to stop them. also, washington d.c. has legalized private growing and using of recreational marijuana right under the nose of the national headquarters of the fbi and dea. think about it.
Quote: lilredroostercannabis oil for pain relief with the active ingredient thc removed is probably legal everywhere in the u.s. there is some controversy about whether or not it is legal but it is being sold by amazon and it is not on the FDA's banned substance list. the oils get excellent reviews on amazon.
I'd suggest being careful on this line of thinking. This article:
http://hightimes.com/news/politics/dea-cbd-oil-is-not-legal-in-all-50-states/
would seem to differ. Late last year the DEA implemented a new rule that declared CBD oil to be a class 1 drug; same as heroin and cannabis:
http://kightoncannabis.com/dea-clarifies-marijuana-extract-rule-and-cbd-legality/
At this point I think a lot of the issues are still as clear as mud :)
On the edible side, there is a company that is working on a system that will reduce the time for edibles to be absorbed by the body:
http://www.lexariaenergy.com/about/
From that page:
Quote:Lexaria’s propiertary technology delivers the following advantages for cannabinoid edibles:
Masks taste – eliminates the strong tastes in cannabinoid edibles, enabling zero-sugar formats.
Reduces time of onset – effects are felt within 15-20 min vs. 60-120 min.
Increases bio-absorption – by 5 – 10X, to equate or excel that of inhalation.
So some of the issues about absorption may be reduced in the future.
Quote: billryanCurious to see how TSA handles weed at the airport. They are not law enforcement.,
I have a friend that works TSA at the airport and he said that they just ignore any normal amounts of pot. Not their concern.
Quote: DRichI have a friend that works TSA at the airport and he said that they just ignore any normal amounts of pot. Not their concern.
Can't tell if that's an RS impersonation or not. :)
Quote: DRichI have a friend that works TSA at the airport and he said that they just ignore any normal amounts of pot. Not their concern.
I take weed with me on every flight to Vegas. And I've even flown to Texas twice since legalization in Washington, and never even gotten a raised eyebrow. I just think ahead and not create a situation where they'd want to manually inspect my bag. I don't take a vaporizer (my at-home preferred method), or a pipe, or anything with residue, and make sure the weed is in sealed original container NOT made of foil (so as to be ignored during the x-ray of my carry-on bag). I take small amounts that are obviously for personal use, enough to last that trip and no more. I also take unlabeled chocolate edibles or lozenges mixed in with a bag of "fun-size" commonly recognized candy bars (Payday, Snickers, etc)
It helps me sleep.
So the doctor comes out into the waiting room and calls in like 10 people, I'm one of them. We all go into her office, and she points to the first person, "Let me see your sheet and tell me why you are seeking an MMR." He says he works in construction and has joint pain, his back hurts, and has trouble sleeping. She says okay, stamps it, and sends him out to the reception area to get it officially done and to pay for it. Next person has some other disease and whatnot, gets approved, and goes on their way. Then the next and next. Then it's just me in the office.
She doesn't ask for me to "prove my case". She's like....Well hmm, you're a young kid, are you in college? I'm like yes, I am. She's like Ah, well then -- you probably study a lot and have a messed up schedule, that can make it difficult to sleep after cramming for a big test. I'm like yes, I have trouble sleeping because of the hectic schedule. She's like oh and you're also probably under pressure and stuff with other students, do you get anxiety? Not knowing what anxiety necessary is, I say yes, sure. And then she says Oh and you also look athletic, you probably have joint pains, back pain, etc. from playing sports. Again, I agree. I hand her the form I had filled out. She looks over it and the boxes I had checked off, has a weird expression on her face, and she's like, "Hmm....well, usually it's the elderly that get dementia, but I guess it's possible for younger people too." She stamped it, approved me, and off I went to the waiting room to get it all officially processed by reception.
I was at the reception desk and the lady tells me about a promotion they're having that month. (Wtf, what kind of a doctor's office has a promotion??) She says at the end of the month, one person who had gotten an MMR that month would be selected to win a bong. It was a 3-4 foot bong. I'm just thinking, holy crap, this is like the most non-legitimate thing ever....but hey, I never had any problems getting weed at a dispensary.
In high school, my friend got his MMR from some doctor on Skype. For those that don't know what Skype is, it's a video-chat program.
Speaking of how crazy some of that stuff was.....
At any dispensary I had been to (from what I remember), you'd have to go to reception desk, give them your ID and proof of MMR. They'd put you on a list and you'd wait. You'd get called one at a time to another room or office in the back, where all the good stuff was. If you were with a group of people, they'd usually let 2 or 3 go back with each other, but not always. Most of the dispensaries were very legitimate, as they'd either call or look up your MMR # or account or whatever and verify it's all good. Usually there'd be 0 or 1 people waiting in the main room area, sometimes 2. Rarely were there 3+ people waiting. And it would take quite a while to wait because they'd have to verify everything.
But one place, OMG, it was basically worse than going to a dealer. I walked in for the first time, and there were like 6 people in the waiting room. I thought that was kinda odd, but whatever. The lady at reception said, "Just put your name on the list, we'll call you when we're ready." I'm like okay, I guess they do it differently here, maybe they verify it when you get in the back...or maybe she thought I was someone else who went there frequently. (If you went to a place often, eventually they'd just skip verifying all your info.) I look around and half the people waiting looked to be 14-16 years old.
Finally I got called in the back. One guy was packing a bowl which was ridiculous because I'd never seen someone working at a dispensary smoking. Whatever. I asked some questions, got the stuff I wanted, and was about to go. Then I remembered I wanted a few joints. I asked if they had any because I didn't see any, and the guy was like, "Uhh, we smoked 'em all" (in a tone that was like, "obviously we smoked them all, duhhhh"). The other guy thought my shirt was awesome and gave me a free eighth of their prime weed (probably cost like $60 IIRC). It was a shirt that said "let's blow this joint" and I'd pretty much only wear it in a dispensary because sometimes I'd get free stuff, but it was usually like a free lollipop or a jolly rancher worth $5-10.
And yeah, they never asked for my ID, never asked for my MMR, or anything else. Then I realized, it wasn't that half the people in the waiting room looked 14-16, they were 14-16 years old.
That place was shut down a week later. :(
Quote: RSI got a medical marijuana recommendation* in college. It was basically the least legitimate thing you could imagine. I got to the "doctor's" office, put my name on a list to be seen, and was given a sheet to fill out. I answered the more common questions you'd expect, like if I'm allergic to anything, family history with any illnesses, etc. Nothing about insurance, as insurance doesn't cover getting a medical marijuana recommendation. The second page of the form had a long list of reasons you'd get a medical marijuana recommendation for. It had stuff like trouble sleeping, joint pain, cancer, and all that stuff. I selected a few boxes which did apply to me, like joint pain, trouble sleeping (who doesn't sometimes?), etc.
So the doctor comes out into the waiting room and calls in like 10 people, I'm one of them. We all go into her office, and she points to the first person, "Let me see your sheet and tell me why you are seeking an MMR." He says he works in construction and has joint pain, his back hurts, and has trouble sleeping. She says okay, stamps it, and sends him out to the reception area to get it officially done and to pay for it. Next person has some other disease and whatnot, gets approved, and goes on their way. Then the next and next. Then it's just me in the office.
She doesn't ask for me to "prove my case". She's like....Well hmm, you're a young kid, are you in college? I'm like yes, I am. She's like Ah, well then -- you probably study a lot and have a messed up schedule, that can make it difficult to sleep after cramming for a big test. I'm like yes, I have trouble sleeping because of the hectic schedule. She's like oh and you're also probably under pressure and stuff with other students, do you get anxiety? Not knowing what anxiety necessary is, I say yes, sure. And then she says Oh and you also look athletic, you probably have joint pains, back pain, etc. from playing sports. Again, I agree. I hand her the form I had filled out. She looks over it and the boxes I had checked off, has a weird expression on her face, and she's like, "Hmm....well, usually it's the elderly that get dementia, but I guess it's possible for younger people too." She stamped it, approved me, and off I went to the waiting room to get it all officially processed by reception.
I was at the reception desk and the lady tells me about a promotion they're having that month. (Wtf, what kind of a doctor's office has a promotion??) She says at the end of the month, one person who had gotten an MMR that month would be selected to win a bong. It was a 3-4 foot bong. I'm just thinking, holy crap, this is like the most non-legitimate thing ever....but hey, I never had any problems getting weed at a dispensary.I've only ever heard of it being called a "recommendation" and never a "license", "prescription", "card", etc. at least with my experiences at dispensaries.
In high school, my friend got his MMR from some doctor on Skype. For those that don't know what Skype is, it's a video-chat program.
Speaking of how crazy some of that stuff was.....
At any dispensary I had been to (from what I remember), you'd have to go to reception desk, give them your ID and proof of MMR. They'd put you on a list and you'd wait. You'd get called one at a time to another room or office in the back, where all the good stuff was. If you were with a group of people, they'd usually let 2 or 3 go back with each other, but not always. Most of the dispensaries were very legitimate, as they'd either call or look up your MMR # or account or whatever and verify it's all good. Usually there'd be 0 or 1 people waiting in the main room area, sometimes 2. Rarely were there 3+ people waiting. And it would take quite a while to wait because they'd have to verify everything.
But one place, OMG, it was basically worse than going to a dealer. I walked in for the first time, and there were like 6 people in the waiting room. I thought that was kinda odd, but whatever. The lady at reception said, "Just put your name on the list, we'll call you when we're ready." I'm like okay, I guess they do it differently here, maybe they verify it when you get in the back...or maybe she thought I was someone else who went there frequently. (If you went to a place often, eventually they'd just skip verifying all your info.) I look around and half the people waiting looked to be 14-16 years old.
Finally I got called in the back. One guy was packing a bowl which was ridiculous because I'd never seen someone working at a dispensary smoking. Whatever. I asked some questions, got the stuff I wanted, and was about to go. Then I remembered I wanted a few joints. I asked if they had any because I didn't see any, and the guy was like, "Uhh, we smoked 'em all" (in a tone that was like, "obviously we smoked them all, duhhhh"). The other guy thought my shirt was awesome and gave me a free eighth of their prime weed (probably cost like $60 IIRC). It was a shirt that said "let's blow this joint" and I'd pretty much only wear it in a dispensary because sometimes I'd get free stuff, but it was usually like a free lollipop or a jolly rancher worth $5-10.
And yeah, they never asked for my ID, never asked for my MMR, or anything else. Then I realized, it wasn't that half the people in the waiting room looked 14-16, they were 14-16 years old.
That place was shut down a week later. :(
Probably none of this happened you just think it did because of your early onset dementia.
For the record, my friends maladies were irritable bowel syndrome for one guy, and bad knees for the other guy. I wonder if that doctor ever turned anyone down. Hangnail? Here's a card, that'll be $150.
There were lots of doctors advertising in that paper. Means nothing now that it's legal.
Quote: RSincoherent rambling
Ain't nobody gonna read all that unless they high AF
I ask because in the Pac NW flashing your MMJ card at a licensed dispensary relieves you from having to pay a chunk of the tax.
Ka-ching!
Quote: zippyboyI went with a couple guys to get their MMJ card in Washington many years ago. They got the address from an ad in the back pages of Seattle's subversive weekly newspaper "The Stranger". The waiting room was filled with stoners each paying $150 to see the doctor to get a card. Each filled out forms. Doctor brings them in, spends 30 seconds asking questions and gives them their cards. Do the maths. It's a strip center with a has-been "doctor" who takes in $150 per person, prolly sees 50-60 people per hour, all day every weekday, for months till recreational weed was passed in July 2014. Not a bad income.
For the record, my friends maladies were irritable bowel syndrome for one guy, and bad knees for the other guy. I wonder if that doctor ever turned anyone down. Hangnail? Here's a card, that'll be $150.
There were lots of doctors advertising in that paper. Means nothing now that it's legal.
Medical card holders get substantial discounts. It means a lot.
Quote: billryanMedical card holders get substantial discounts. It means a lot.
So you're saying I need to hit up Dr. Reefer (M.D) before buying weed for my back or shoulder or dementia?
I don't think it's a coincidence they just legalized marijuana and a number of his posts have gotten significantly longer.Quote: djatcAin't nobody gonna read all that unless they high AF
Coincidence or not? You decide.
Quote: zippyboyI take weed with me on every flight to Vegas.
Stoners have been doing this for decades including myself. Legalization wont change much in Vegas. Stoners will stil get stoned as they have for decades in Vegas. Only diff is that now Stoners in Vegas will be getting stoned on the local product
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's a bigger scam marihuana was ever illegal, being a plant that doesn't hurt anyone and was so useful as hemp.
Amen to that, onenick. And, endorsed by none other than God hisself.
Today's lesson is from Chapter 1 of Genesis, the very first book of the Bible (KJV):
- Verse 11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
- Verse 12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
- Verse 29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the [sic] which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Not quite sure how the grammar fault got into the last verse. But, it did come just after God reported that the grass was good. I just wish I had some of what He was consuming when that was dictated to an Angel.
Quote: LuckyPhowAmen to that, onenick. And, endorsed by none other than God hisself.
Today's lesson is from Chapter 1 of Genesis, the very first book of the Bible (KJV):
- Verse 11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
- Verse 12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
- Verse 29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the [sic] which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Not quite sure how the grammar fault got into the last verse. But, it did come just after God reported that the grass was good. I just wish I had some of what He was consuming when that was dictated to an Angel.
Believing in God is the biggest scam of all.
Quote: beachbumbabs... usually have opioids or other painkiller prescriptions unfilled (or take one, get no relief, and toss the rest out).
.... they gave me hydrocodone/oxycontin prescriptions I filled but didn't use.
Openly sobbing here.
Dip them s#$%s in chocolate, stuff em in an Entenmanns, and ship it. Pain's gone political and it bloody hurts =p
Is SOOPOO here? I gotta laugh (Willamdafoe.gif) as some chick at work got a tooth pulled and was handed a 30pk, and another sprained his ankle and got a 30pk, whereas I have torn my bicep out of my shoulder and wasn't even offered an Advil. Ditto for an abscessed tooth x 3, ditto for 4 crushed disks, etc, etc, etc.
Am I on some kinda list? This s#$% has me bonkers and not a single one of my jobs or hobbies mix well with home brew solutions.
State of Emergency in NV -- Weed In Short Supply
So, on the morning after the night before, stoners in NV are waking up to discover they smoked it all.
Well, not exactly. Seems there's a bottleneck in the distribution system that keeps growers from getting weed delivered to pot shops.
Strict State Regulations Causing Nevada Pot Emergency
And, don't think the emergency is only for the smokers. As the article notes, NV state government is counting on taxes from pot to fund education and other public services.
But when NV legalized pot, it also limited all pot distribution to the alcoholic beverage industry, to placate the industry's concerns about loss of business because of pot sales. Now the state is wrestling with the NV Supreme Court to allow emergency changes to the regulations, largely because too few booze distributors can pass the more strict requirements to transport pot. And it's critical that people get their pot Nevada gets those taxes!
Quote: LuckyPhowAmen to that, onenick. And, endorsed by none other than God hisself.
Today's lesson is from Chapter 1 of Genesis, the very first book of the Bible (KJV):
- Verse 11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
- Verse 12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
- Verse 29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the [sic] which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Not quite sure how the grammar fault got into the last verse. But, it did come just after God reported that the grass was good. I just wish I had some of what He was consuming when that was dictated to an Angel.
Wasn't this before the Fall though? Some of this was even before the creation of Man and Woman? I mean after Adam and Eve sinned the earth grew thorns and thistles ( Artichokes are a Thistle... They taste good with Hearts of Palm!! ) and was cursed and tainted most likely that is when certain plants were corrupted and you can make drugs from them and change your state of consciousness? I mean before the fall, Man didn't have any knowledge of Good and Evil or maybe it was just Evil but the tree was the tree of Good and Evil right... ? Happier Times I am sure! Ignorance surely is Bliss... I'm finding that out after learning more and more and I would like to go back to being blind or uneducated! I am waiting for the next day's lesson :) However I refuse to contribute to the collection plate... I'm like ZK... I'm not tipping the Church or buying coffee or books in the bookstore right on the Temple Grounds... Mother F'ing Money Changers!! Even Jesus got pissed off at those people... I think it is one of the only times he got some righteous anger from my understanding? You think Jesus would of been on T.V. telling all of us to send our money to him? Send Jesus a Love Gift of 100 dollars and he will send you his latest book and dvd sermon?? Partner with our Lord and Savior for 500 dollars and he will send you this official prayer cloth?? One of the worst recent mind boggles is Rod Parsley getting throat cancer and using modern medicine but after radiation and surgery he is on the T.V. with his advertisements on how all you need to do is trust the lord and pray to be healed... WTF lol ?? I recall something about having to make a decision about serving God or Mammon... Mammon being money like Clint Eastwood said in Pale Rider!
Quote: monet0412Mother F'ing Money Changers!! Even Jesus got pissed off at those people...
Amen to that, monet. I doubt Jesus would embrace all that has been done in His name since His (supposed) death. And, to that, I agree also.
But, nowhere do I find specific reference to God reversing Himself on the basic issues of my original premise:
- God created grass
- God checked it out and reported that it was good
- God told us we can eat it as food
Quote: IbeatyouracesBelieving in God is the biggest scam of all.
So true. Anyone who dares to explore the history of the Bible text is encouraged to read the NY Times bestseller by Bart Erhman, Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why.
Those who dare not should, as said in the Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
Quote: LuckyPhowSo true. Anyone who dares to explore the history of the Bible text is encouraged to read the NY Times bestseller by Bart Erhman, Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why.
Those who dare not should, as said in the Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
I not only explain to non believers but I find I have to try to explain to believers as well that you shouldn't get wrapped up in the exact text or each individual word. Yes it is true that you can find many clerical errors in the good book. This is not the point. The point is the story and the meaning behind each individual story. Nothing can cut the human heart like those stories and it doesn't matter if they changed a word here or there or phrase. When you tell the story of an adulteress sitting inside of the stoning pit about to be stoned and everyone tells Jesus what she has done and why they are about to stone her and ask him if they are justified in doing so because it is written in the Mosaic Law.... Jesus doesn't even bother speaking. He just writes some simple sentence in the sand that says let the first man without sin cast the first stone. After they all leave it is pretty clear that she is emotionally distraught and begging for forgiveness. He simply tells her that he doesn't condemn her and neither have any of her accusers. Go and Sin no more.
This is just one example. It doesn't even matter if the story is true or isn't true. It is the meaning behind the story and what is trying to be said here. I never understand the hate for The Bible or Jesus anyways. All I ever see in that book is him trying to tell everyone to love one another and get along. He even sums up the law into two simple parts about how you should Love God above all and secondly Love your Neighbor as you do yourself. He changes the game compared to the Old Testament challenging people to even Love your Enemies and Do Good to them that Curse you or Hate you or Speak Ill of you. He claims that if you only Love those that Love you... you have no reward or are no better than the next guy.
Believe or Don't Believe what you want. I am not here to try to change your mind on anything. My point is that it doesn't matter how they changed the stories or who wrote what and when. The point is the stories themselves and they are every day simple stories that are easy to understand. If people want to get into debates about the book contradicting itself or each individual word is verbatim they truly have missed the point.
There is no doubt that the book teaches a very simple life and way to live. The difficult part is to actually live your life or change your life to live it. Even the Romans of 2000 years ago knew that this Jesus was onto something profound. One would think that the straight and narrow path would be easier to walk on compared to the twisted dark path that I and most others choose. Try to tell me that God doesn't have a sense of humor. I think the biggest problem is that the book claims that Jesus is from a Virgin Birth, Son of God, Rose From the Dead, and is Equal to God the Father. You try to convince people of something like that and you got a war on your hands. I for one believe it but that won't save me or you or anyone. I don't care what that TV says. If you don't use that belief to show true change every day till the end it will all be in vain. The book of James explains that pretty clear and that guy the Baptist was pretty dead set on something about how you have to bring fruits worthy of repentance meaning that you can't only believe you have to have actions and daily actions until you die.
Just take the simple story of the Good Samaritan. Something is wrong if you can't understand that we should be helpful to those in need no matter who they are like that story teaches. I for one have done great Evil and I figure that I still do daily. However I can not refute those teachings in that book and I can not say that it isn't the right way to live. There is a parable about two children going off to work and one brother tells his father how he will get all the work done but goes off and plays all day. The other brother says in his heart that he isn't going to do the work and goes off to play but starts to feel remorse and goes back to do the work and gets it done. Who will the father love more? The one who talks or the one who does the work? The two thieves on the cross break down the two categories of humans just like that parable does.
Quote: monet0412Quote: LuckyPhowSo true. Anyone who dares to explore the history of the Bible text is encouraged to read the NY Times bestseller by Bart Erhman, Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why.
Those who dare not should, as said in the Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
I not only explain to non believers but I find I have to try to explain to believers as well that you shouldn't get wrapped up in the exact text or each individual word. Yes it is true that you can find many clerical errors in the good book. This is not the point. The point is the story and the meaning behind each individual story. Nothing can cut the human heart like those stories and it doesn't matter if they changed a word here or there or phrase. When you tell the story of an adulteress sitting inside of the stoning pit about to be stoned and everyone tells Jesus what she has done and why they are about to stone her and ask him if they are justified in doing so because it is written in the Mosaic Law.... Jesus doesn't even bother speaking. He just writes some simple sentence in the sand that says let the first man without sin cast the first stone. After they all leave it is pretty clear that she is emotionally distraught and begging for forgiveness. He simply tells her that he doesn't condemn her and neither have any of her accusers. Go and Sin no more.
This is just one example. It doesn't even matter if the story is true or isn't true. It is the meaning behind the story and what is trying to be said here. I never understand the hate for The Bible or Jesus anyways. All I ever see in that book is him trying to tell everyone to love one another and get along. He even sums up the law into two simple parts about how you should Love God above all and secondly Love your Neighbor as you do yourself. He changes the game compared to the Old Testament challenging people to even Love your Enemies and Do Good to them that Curse you or Hate you or Speak Ill of you. He claims that if you only Love those that Love you... you have no reward or are no better than the next guy.
Believe or Don't Believe what you want. I am not here to try to change your mind on anything. My point is that it doesn't matter how they changed the stories or who wrote what and when. The point is the stories themselves and they are every day simple stories that are easy to understand. If people want to get into debates about the book contradicting itself or each individual word is verbatim they truly have missed the point.
There is no doubt that the book teaches a very simple life and way to live. The difficult part is to actually live your life or change your life to live it. Even the Romans of 2000 years ago knew that this Jesus was onto something profound. One would think that the straight and narrow path would be easier to walk on compared to the twisted dark path that I and most others choose. Try to tell me that God doesn't have a sense of humor. I think the biggest problem is that the book claims that Jesus is from a Virgin Birth, Son of God, Rose From the Dead, and is Equal to God the Father. You try to convince people of something like that and you got a war on your hands. I for one believe it but that won't save me or you or anyone. I don't care what that TV says. If you don't use that belief to show true change every day till the end it will all be in vain. The book of James explains that pretty clear and that guy the Baptist was pretty dead set on something about how you have to bring fruits worthy of repentance meaning that you can't only believe you have to have actions and daily actions until you die.
Just take the simple story of the Good Samaritan. Something is wrong if you can't understand that we should be helpful to those in need no matter who they are like that story teaches. I for one have done great Evil and I figure that I still do daily. However I can not refute those teachings in that book and I can not say that it isn't the right way to live. There is a parable about two children going off to work and one brother tells his father how he will get all the work done but goes off and plays all day. The other brother says in his heart that he isn't going to do the work and goes off to play but starts to feel remorse and goes back to do the work and gets it done. Who will the father love more? The one who talks or the one who does the work? The two thieves on the cross break down the two categories of humans just like that parable does.
You got some good posts but this sh**'s too long. Cliffs plz?