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May 3rd, 2016 at 8:37:25 PM permalink
By the way, I didn't post for the days BlueJay was suspended because I did not agree with it. But seeing him back just starts it all over again. I have to admit I am amazed that someone like the person he professes to be exists. Just like I'm sure he feels about me. He thinks I am illiterate and my thoughts don't count. And I think he has to be an actor. In my world I find it hard to believe the garbage he spews on his websites. But as I posted before, I get that people will do anything for money and if there actually are people out there that do believe it, I respect him for taking advantage of them. As many of us believe on here, never wise up a chump. Recent debates about AP opportunities have shown that.

BJ and I come from different worlds. I live in a large house I worked hard to earn. He lives in a small house he worked hard for to be able to explain to his family why they should not live in a larger one. Who knows the damage we have created, Only time will tell.

I fly all over the country, he feels I am destroying the planet. I fly an extra leg to save a few dollars and perhaps to piss him off because I can, he rides his bike.

Who is right? Not sure. But I do know that is what makes this country. The ability to do what we want and we all can do it with hard work and sacrifice. But that is the difference between us, he thinks only a select few can and I believe we all can.

Thankfully there is room for both of us in America.
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May 3rd, 2016 at 10:07:04 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I think he has to be an actor. In my world I find it hard to believe the garbage he spews on his websites. But as I posted before, I get that people will do anything for money and if there actually are people out there that do believe it, I respect him for taking advantage of them.

Mods, I consider that an insult. Disagree with my ideas or values all you want, but saying that I'm an actor who deliberately advances causes I don't really believe in just so I can make money from them is tremendously insulting (and factually wrong).

By the way, I started my various sites *years* before it occurred to me to try to monetize them, and the overwhelming majority of the content (how to buy a house, bicycle safety, saving electricity) is politically neutral anyway. My lone page on climate change makes pennies a month, if that.
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May 3rd, 2016 at 11:37:05 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Mods, I consider that an insult.



Just because it's insulting to you doesn't
mean it's an insult. When somebody
laughs at one of your posts, it may be
insulting to you, but it's certainly not
an insult.
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May 4th, 2016 at 4:29:16 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Mods, I consider that an insult. Disagree with my ideas or values all you want, but saying that I'm an actor who deliberately advances causes I don't really believe in just so I can make money from them is tremendously insulting (and factually wrong).



We'll see how the mods rule on this one, but to me it seems pretty clear that his comments are about your web presence and not your personal life. Some people have one persona in real life and another on the web (okay, many do...they act differently on the web than they ever would at home). It may be insulting to what you do, but everyone can have their opinion of that...it is out there to be seen.
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May 4th, 2016 at 6:02:27 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

And I think he has to be an actor.



Quote: MichaelBluejay

Mods, I consider that an insult. Disagree with my ideas or values all you want, but saying that I'm an actor who deliberately advances causes I don't really believe in just so I can make money from them is tremendously insulting (and factually wrong).



I've known Bluejay well for at least 15 years. Trust me that is not a hypocrite on what he is saying here. I've never known anybody to consume less than he does. He does so out of choice, not necessity. I hope he won't mind me saying that when he travels to Asia he does so on a container ship so as not to contribute CO2 into the atmosphere by flying. When he was single, I figure his average spending per day on a Vegas vacation was about $25. So, I can see how he would be insulted at the accusation he is an actor.

So, Boz, you're suspended. While you're up to 14 days in the Martingale system of suspension time, I see it has been over a year since the last one. We like to reward for improved behavior so I'll restart you at three days.
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May 4th, 2016 at 7:14:39 AM permalink
Wow, on a container ship.... How does one even find out how to go about booking something like that? And what is the time frame? Wow that's dedicated
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May 4th, 2016 at 7:38:20 AM permalink
Thank you very much for coming to my defense, Wiz.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Wow, on a container ship.... How does one even find out how to go about booking something like that? And what is the time frame? Wow that's dedicated

The ships always have an extra cabin or two, so they'll rent them out to make a little extra money if it's easy. (When you book, they feel you out to see if you're gonna be the kind of person who complains a lot, because the crew doesn't have time to deal with that.)

You can usually book directly with the freighter operator, which is preferable because it's cheaper and faster than going through a travel agent (and there are many of those). For example, the biggest operator is NSB.

It costs about twice as much as flying. You get a cabin with a mini-fridge and private bathroom, and three meals a day eaten with the crew. As an adventure, it's a good deal. As transportation, it's pricey.

There are usually no other passengers.

There's no Internet unless you rent a pricey satellite system. Once a day the captain can send a text-only email message for you, but not from your own email account, from a spare ship account.

It takes about 8 days to cross the Pacific and 10 days to cross the Atlantic. Plus, you need to be in the port city a day or two early because ship schedules can change (which also means they might leave a day or two late).

You might wonder why the ship would take a passenger when the extra profit is minimal compared to the value of the shipping operation itself. Part of the answer is how it's structured: One company (the Owner) owns the ship, and rents it to the Operator (like NSB). Another company (the shipper, like Hanjin) hires the Operator to provide the crew to transport all the stuff. It's the operator that you contract with. They're getting only a small chunk of the whole enterprise, so they'll rent an extra cabin to you if it's easy for them.

I calculated that I used 98% less energy by traveling by cargo ship instead of flying.

Here was one of my cabins. I think this was the smallest one I ever had.

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May 4th, 2016 at 7:44:38 AM permalink
By plane = terrorist concerns
By ship = pirate concerns

Want to see the world?
Join the Navy......

Saw part of Cruz's speech last night, while cooking.
I liked what I saw, may have to pull it up and watch the whole thing...
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May 4th, 2016 at 7:56:11 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Thank you very much for coming to my defense,

<Big Snip>

Here was one of my cabins. I think this was the smallest one I ever had.



I missed the pic the first time thru.
Now I gotta ask who/what you got hidden under the bedspread ;-?
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May 4th, 2016 at 8:53:43 AM permalink
As intriguing as that sounds- I have to think it is like being in prison for a week, I give you credit I could never do that
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May 4th, 2016 at 9:19:14 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

By plane = terrorist concerns
By ship = pirate concerns

Well, actually, while I was on a ship bound for South Korea, a South Korean ship was sunk and the North Koreans were suspected. So I'd be emailing my friends, "I'll be in Japan in 5 days, if the North Koreans don't sink my ship first."

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Now I gotta ask who/what you got hidden under the bedspread

I don't remember, probably just clothes that I wanted to hide so the picture wasn't messy. That reminds me, another advantage of freighter travel is that you can bring a lot more stuff -- 100kg (220lbs). I brought a lot of comfort food.

Quote: WizardOfNothing

As intriguing as that sounds- I have to think it is like being in prison for a week, I give you credit I could never do that.

Well, on my 2009 trip, without the Internet to distract me, I was able to write a lot of the code for the WoV forum that the Wizard planned to launch. Unfortunately I didn't finish, and then when I later left the Wizard's employ, he had J.B. write the whole thing from scratch. (And it's pretty spiffy, I must say.)

Anyway, sorry to have hijacked the thread. So...Fiorina was a vice-presdential candidate for about five seconds, huh? Sucks to be her.
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May 4th, 2016 at 9:31:52 AM permalink
That room photo is the perfect set-up for a photoshop project ;-)
Nooooo, not me, I'm not that bright, or that dark......

To make a half hearted attempt to stay on track here;

Carly could still be picked as a running mate for another candidate, yes or no?
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May 4th, 2016 at 11:19:31 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard



So, Boz, you're suspended. .



I'd like to volunteer to serve his 3 days. I am
involved in this discussion, I think it's wrong
to be suspended for an opinion comment just
because somebody claims offense. Make it a
week if you like, just to show I'm serious.
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May 4th, 2016 at 2:22:05 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay


It costs about twice as much as flying. You get a cabin with a mini-fridge and private bathroom, and three meals a day eaten with the crew. As an adventure, it's a good deal. As transportation, it's pricey.



Amazed it costs so much more, I had thought I saw it as a way to travel cheaper. I looked at it a bit, but really cannot take that much time off of life. I thought ship would be a nice way to disappear for a few weeks and decompress.
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May 4th, 2016 at 2:45:33 PM permalink
Someone, I forget who, said time out on the water doesn't count against your total.
Not sure that is true, but I just booked some more time out in the big waters.
Even if it's even, EV wise, I like the time that I cannot see the shore...
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May 4th, 2016 at 3:43:20 PM permalink
I hate to post this in this thread but since it has been discusses already:

MichaelBluejay, have you written about the cargo ship travel on your website or anywhere else? I would love to hear more about it. If you have a link that would be great, otherwise start a new thread here where we can all hear about it.
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May 4th, 2016 at 4:27:11 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I hate to post this in this thread but since it has been discusses already:

MichaelBluejay, have you written about the cargo ship travel on your website or anywhere else? I would love to hear more about it. If you have a link that would be great, otherwise start a new thread here where we can all hear about it.

Did you read the part about no internet? That's a deal breaker for me.

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May 4th, 2016 at 5:00:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've known Bluejay well for at least 15 years. Trust me that is not a hypocrite on what he is saying here. I've never known anybody to consume less than he does. He does so out of choice, not necessity.

I guess the question then is what does he produce? And, how does promoting and participating in the excess of the gambling industry jibe with conservationism - assuming for the moment this is what he does for a living?

In any event, taking a cut on others who give up their hard-earned money to the casino so they can sit in the dark and eat beans for the remainder of each month isn't exactly practising conservationism.
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May 4th, 2016 at 6:05:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I'd like to volunteer to serve his 3 days. I am
involved in this discussion, I think it's wrong
to be suspended for an opinion comment just
because somebody claims offense. Make it a
week if you like, just to show I'm serious.



I'd take one or two myself if the Wizard allows.

I saw no insult, just a low opinion of what a person does on the internet.

Most people would not write an "I'm insulted" statement; they would let the moderators handle it. Even if it was an insult...
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May 5th, 2016 at 7:29:26 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

MichaelBluejay, have you written about the cargo ship travel on your website or anywhere else?

I'm sorry, I haven't. I've intended to, I've got pages of notes and tons of pictures, but I'm several years behind on updating my sites. What I posted here is the most I've published anywhere, but that summary answers all the important questions I've received on the topic, I think.

Quote: TheGrimReaper13

I guess the question then is what does he [Bluejay] produce? And, how does promoting and participating in the excess of the gambling industry jibe with conservationism - assuming for the moment this is what he does for a living? In any event, taking a cut on others who give up their hard-earned money to the casino so they can sit in the dark and eat beans for the remainder of each month isn't exactly practising conservationism.

I produce content in the form of articles and websites, mostly how-to type stuff, on a variety of topics. I don't "promote" gambling, meaning I don't say that it's something that people should do. Rather, for those who've chosen to gamble, I try to give them the information they need to reduce their losses. My Gambling 101 article opens with this:

Quote: VegasClick.com

If you gamble right, gambling is cheap entertainment. If you do it wrong, like many people, it's expensive and ultimately not very entertaining. Really, who thinks that losing their hard-earned money is a way to have a good time? Since you're reading this site, let me try to talk you out of gambling blindly.

Your first choice is to not gamble at all. Believe it or not, thousands of people come to Vegas every year for the sights, the sounds, the shows, the food, and don't gamble a penny. I know because I run into plenty of them. And by not gambling, they have more money to spend on all their other entertainment. Some readers have actually asked me if there's something wrong with them because they see all this gambling around them but they have no desire to do so themselves. Absolutely not! If it doesn't interest you, then don't feel pressured to do so just because everyone else is. Heck, maybe you're the kind of person who would end up with a compulsive gambling addiction once you started. In that case, it's better off not to start.

But let's say you want to do some gambling [while you're in Vegas]. That's understandable, because most people do. So if you're intent on gambling, then at least make sure you know what you're in for. Let's start exploring that...

I view gambling as entertainment, and it's just as valid as any other kind of entertainment.

Quote: RonC

I saw no insult, just a low opinion of what a person does on the internet.

Then you didn't read carefully, or at all. What made it offensive was that he said I'm a liar, that I'm pretending to have values and a lifestyle I don't really have in an effort to make money.

Back on topic, how about this scenario: Convention happens, then Clinton gets indicted and drops out, there's no procedure in place for the Dems to choose another candidate (assumption), and so Bernie runs as an Independent.
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May 5th, 2016 at 12:49:20 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Well, actually, while I was on a ship bound for South Korea, a South Korean ship was sunk and the North Koreans were suspected. So I'd be emailing my friends, "I'll be in Japan in 5 days, if the North Koreans don't sink my ship first."

I don't remember, probably just clothes that I wanted to hide so the picture wasn't messy. That reminds me, another advantage of freighter travel is that you can bring a lot more stuff -- 100kg (220lbs). I brought a lot of comfort food.

Well, on my 2009 trip, without the Internet to distract me, I was able to write a lot of the code for the WoV forum that the Wizard planned to launch. Unfortunately I didn't finish, and then when I later left the Wizard's employ, he had J.B. write the whole thing from scratch. (And it's pretty spiffy, I must say.)

Anyway, sorry to have hijacked the thread. So...Fiorina was a vice-presdential candidate for about five seconds, huh? Sucks to be her.



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May 5th, 2016 at 1:51:51 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Thank you very much for coming to my defense, Wiz.

The ships always have an extra cabin or two, so they'll rent them out to make a little extra money if it's easy. (When you book, they feel you out to see if you're gonna be the kind of person who complains a lot, because the crew doesn't have time to deal with that.)

You can usually book directly with the freighter operator, which is preferable because it's cheaper and faster than going through a travel agent (and there are many of those). For example, the biggest operator is NSB.

It costs about twice as much as flying. You get a cabin with a mini-fridge and private bathroom, and three meals a day eaten with the crew. As an adventure, it's a good deal. As transportation, it's pricey.

There are usually no other passengers.

There's no Internet unless you rent a pricey satellite system. Once a day the captain can send a text-only email message for you, but not from your own email account, from a spare ship account.

It takes about 8 days to cross the Pacific and 10 days to cross the Atlantic. Plus, you need to be in the port city a day or two early because ship schedules can change (which also means they might leave a day or two late).

You might wonder why the ship would take a passenger when the extra profit is minimal compared to the value of the shipping operation itself. Part of the answer is how it's structured: One company (the Owner) owns the ship, and rents it to the Operator (like NSB). Another company (the shipper, like Hanjin) hires the Operator to provide the crew to transport all the stuff. It's the operator that you contract with. They're getting only a small chunk of the whole enterprise, so they'll rent an extra cabin to you if it's easy for them.

I calculated that I used 98% less energy by traveling by cargo ship instead of flying.

Here was one of my cabins. I think this was the smallest one I ever had.


Damn, that sounds like fun actually. Some peace and quiet to yourself...I would definitely get bored over 8 or 10 days, but if I brought enough stuff to do it could be fun times.
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May 5th, 2016 at 2:16:14 PM permalink
Correction, since I can no longer edit my original post: It's 10 days to cross the Pacific and 8 days to cross the Atlantic. I inadvertently switched that in my original post.
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May 5th, 2016 at 3:17:16 PM permalink
MbJ you should start a thread about traveling on a cargo boat with a Q and A. That would be fascinating.
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May 5th, 2016 at 3:51:22 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

I produce content in the form of articles and websites, mostly how-to type stuff, on a variety of topics.

How-to avoid specifics? Try putting that on your resume. Weak.


Quote: MichaelBluejay

I don't "promote" gambling, meaning I don't say that it's something that people should do. Rather, for those who've chosen to gamble, I try to give them the information they need to reduce their losses.

There is no "right way" to gamble. No amount. Small losses add up to big losses. And, anyone can become a "compulsive gambler" given even a "right way". It only takes, eg, a bad day at work, or a fight with the wife, to get the ball rolling. Regardless, there's no obvious reason to set yourself up for any downfall, let alone for this stuff of fools. Certainly, the AP's are as deluded as any other gamblers. No different in any significant way. Where are all the success stories then? Only losers, and a few without redeeming features except "proof" they can't show anyone. No independent professional PhD mathematician (I know of) has ever endorsed gambling in any form. Only a few self-styled gambling math experts and writers offset by the masses of, let's say, people with little to no math training who can't tell the difference. Where is "gambling math" even taught? UNLV? Who taught that. Lol.

How is endorsing online casino ads (and the "right way" to play) not promotion? Where're the sticky threads, or discussion in general, here and there which explain the real pitfalls of gambling? The accredited addiction specialists? Nary a mention. And then, more like ridicule. Yes, I think more than a few here are up to their eyeballs in promoting gambling for the sake of gambling.


Quote: MichaelBluejay

My Gambling 101 article opens with this: I view gambling as entertainment, and it's just as valid as any other kind of entertainment.

Simple-minded stuff. Simplistic. Dangerous advice. What other form of entertainment relies on, in concept, expansive gluttonous cities built in deserts or run-down areas. All that water and hydro to what end? What we as individuals do no longer makes a dent in the waste. Toxic pollution and lives (time). Cheap salted buffets - most of it thrown down the toilet or left on plates - doused with hard liquor. Drugs, and gambling (addiction). Sleaze. What's that, you have a page up about conservation of resources? OMG, even the AP's will tell you that "only the suckers believe it's entertainment". Better watch out, a game of darts is addicting.

It's okay because not everyone "Clicks the mouse, and loses the house."? We're talking about vastly huge sums of money here. It has to come from somewhere. Winners revel (for a while); until losers lead quiet lives of desperation. On the internet perhaps. There never was a life in playing blackjack. Only a time when nobody believes or buys it anymore, and the people pushing it then smugly conclude, "Things have changed, don't play it anymore. Do this or that new thing instead." What? Blackjack hasn't fundamentally changed in the last thirty years. (The 6:5 thing was last gasp idiocy by the casinos to squeeze more money out of it. Like a store raises prices before going under. You can't.)
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May 5th, 2016 at 3:52:29 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

MbJ you should start a thread about traveling on a cargo boat with a Q and A. That would be fascinating.

About as fascinating as living in a basement with no windows. Ever do that?
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May 5th, 2016 at 4:36:44 PM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

How-to avoid specifics? Try putting that on your resume. Weak.

Well, given that I haven't needed a resume for nearly 25 years, I'm not exactly worried. The praise I've received from readers, and the fact that I've been sought out to write cover stories, that's enough for me.

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There is no "right way" to gamble. No amount. Small losses add up to big losses.

EVERY kind of entertainment you spend money on is negative-expectation: movies, shows, bowling, whatever. And gambling can easily be *cheaper* per hour of activity than even movies or bowling. (e.g., blackjack or craps for low stakes with basic strategy) My wife likes to play penny slots, a penny at a time. I doubt she's lost a total of $20 in her whole life.

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Where is "gambling math" even taught? UNLV? Who taught that.

Yes, UNLV. And the Wizard himself taught it.

Quote: TheGrimReaper13

Where're the sticky threads, or discussion in general, here and there which explain the real pitfalls of gambling? The accredited addiction specialists? Nary a mention.

I guess you missed the three different places of every single page of my site where I list the Gambling Problem phone number and link.

Of course, the reality is that anything can be abused -- cars and alcohol are obvious examples, but nobody suggests we ban cars or alcohol because some people are irresponsible with them. I don't think people should waste money on gambling. And therefore I never suggest that they do so. Quite the opposite. I'm sorry that's not good enough for you.
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May 5th, 2016 at 4:38:41 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

MbJ you should start a thread about traveling on a cargo boat with a Q and A. That would be fascinating.

If I were putting in that kind of effort, I should just spend it writing my article instead. And that's on my list.
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May 7th, 2016 at 9:20:51 AM permalink
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No serious historian would consider a "historical" rank of a POTUS while still in office worth a bucket of spit.

Okay, so you know more about climate science than the climate scientists, and you know more about what it takes to be a serious historian than actual historians. Tell me, what other things are you expert about, more so than the people who are actually trained in those fields?
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May 7th, 2016 at 11:01:35 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Okay, so you know more about climate science than the climate scientists, and you know more about what it takes to be a serious historian than actual historians. Tell me, what other things are you expert about, more so than the people who are actually trained in those fields?



Not a scientist or a historian, but I have been educated to learn how to critically think. I have said it many times, I do not believe in global warming because my education has taught me to question what "the scientists" are saying. I learned that in an experiment or theory, measurement must be precise. And global warming predictions do not have a long enough series of data to draw a conclusion. Any educated person should ask how they can draw a trend with so little data.

As for historians, while only my minor, I have taken my share of history classes. And I know things look very different after a day, a week, months, years, and decades. Any history class I have taken stressed how things look probably changes over time, and that you need time to see results. Operation Barbarosa looked a disaster at the time, yet any smart historian would today consider it one of the best things that ever happened for the USA. Harry Truman was considered awful in his time, yet today his decisions look very sound. Critics scoffed at Reagan's SDI plan, yet it gave us GPS and it brought the USSR to their knees. Get it? This is why I give no weight to "historical" rankings of a POTUS within 20-30 years, much less one in office.

Other things you might consider me an "expert" on? Pest control industry, Mortgages, Oil and Gas land work, automobiles, and woodworking. I don't consider myself the most expert I have even known in any one of them, but I have done enough in each that I can explain something without saying to go listen to what someone else said.
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May 7th, 2016 at 12:05:56 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Any educated person should ask how they can draw a trend with so little data.

Wow, I bet that question never occurred to them! I mean, scientists trained in science and everything. They don't know the first thing about it, do they?

Why are you wasting your time on a gambling forum? Ring up the universities and explain to them how AZDuffman knows more about science than thy do and how the world's scientists got it all wrong.
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May 7th, 2016 at 12:27:24 PM permalink
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As I've pointed out before, historians and presidential scholars put Obama as #17 out of the 44 presidents. And you can't cry liberal bias because they rank Reagan higher, and Bill Clinton similar to Bush Sr.

Like it or not, that's the reality. I'm not an Obama fan, and I didn't vote for him last time, but calling his presidency a joke is only for the grossly uninformed or grossly partisan.

As history majors will be the first to tell you, such rankings, even while a president is in office, are utterly useless. Real evaluations take at least 20 to 30 years. Witness Harry S. Truman, who left the office with terrible historical rankings. But his seven crucial decisions have looked nothing short of innovative, brilliant and courageous after 30 to 60 years.
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May 7th, 2016 at 12:29:41 PM permalink
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Wow, I bet that question never occurred to them! I mean, scientists trained in science and everything. They don't know the first thing about it, do they?

If the Penn State hockey stick is an example, it appears that "scientists" are far from immunity in manipulating data to reach their desired conclusion.
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May 7th, 2016 at 12:46:15 PM permalink
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As history majors will be the first to tell you, such rankings, even while a president is in office, are utterly useless.

Okay, so AZDuffman's opinions about Obama's performance are "utterly useless" also? Or it's just historians' and presidential scholars' opinions which are useless? Please clarify.
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May 7th, 2016 at 12:56:08 PM permalink
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Who is Dick Morris? And kerkebet is getting pretty annoying.

Are you saying that also websites are for sissies, who can't separate their feelings from facts?
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May 7th, 2016 at 2:41:09 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Wow, I bet that question never occurred to them! I mean, scientists trained in science and everything. They don't know the first thing about it, do they?



They do know about manipulating data and what kind of data gets more grants. Or are you not noticing that every "solution" to global warming seems to be a tax or/and subsidy of some kind? One need not be a scientist to know that 200 years of trend is meaningless on a 4.5 billion year old planet. And 200 years of good measurement is at best what we have. Even if you take the tree-ring thing, at most, 200 years. And then only in a few places. What I am saying is ask yourself this kind of question before you just buy what they are selling. I do know you made the purchase years ago, but I have decided not to. I can give my reasoning. You keep telling me you are using someone else's. I refuse to just take them on blind faith, which seems to have you frustrated.

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Okay, so AZDuffman's opinions about Obama's performance are "utterly useless" also? Or it's just historians' and presidential scholars' opinions which are useless? Please clarify.



I gave several reasons for why I feel he is average at best, namely the long period of high unemployment (he is over half the time we have been over 7% since WWII) and low economic growth (he is the first POTUS to have not one year over 3% since modern measurement,) Those are not opinions, they are facts. Instead of saying what someone else said, AZD made his own argument. If you want to debate that numbers are really not bad, feel free. If you want to bring up some other numbers of your own, again feel free. But please do not expect me to shut up and listen to the historians, same as shutting up and listening to the scientists when it comes to global warming, I prefer to think for myself.
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May 7th, 2016 at 3:27:07 PM permalink
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But please do not expect me to shut up and listen to the historians, same as shutting up and listening to the scientists when it comes to global warming, I prefer to think for myself.



Even when you're an expert in a field and arguing with other experts the chances that you are the one always right are pretty low. What do you think your odds are here?
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May 7th, 2016 at 3:48:34 PM permalink
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Even when you're an expert in a field and arguing with other experts the chances that you are the one always right are pretty low. What do you think your odds are here?



On global warming I have been right so far. Look at Al Gore's movie and the predictions he made. He said 10 years ago that by now we would not be able to save ourselves. I have heard that global warming will bring disaster in 20 years for 30 years now. It is always 10 years away with this group. Just long enough that people will forget it has been 10 years but just close enough to cause alarm.

That is what I think my odds are.
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May 8th, 2016 at 4:22:00 AM permalink
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Okay, so you know more about climate science than the climate scientists.....



These are a few of the climate science PhD.'s who testified before Congress to refute the idea that climate change is man-made:

Moore

Moore Testimony

Pielke

Spencer

Happer
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May 8th, 2016 at 7:43:39 AM permalink
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These are a few of the climate science PhD.'s who testified before Congress to refute the idea that climate change is man-made:

Moore

Moore Testimony

Pielke

Spencer

Happer

Pffff! Scientists! What do they know about science?!
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May 8th, 2016 at 7:54:18 AM permalink
The science behind global warming is simply chemistry, well proven. The planet's response to increased greenhouse gases which has increased solar absorption (absolutely a fact, proven with chemistry and experiments) cannot be easily shown as the planet's weather, atmosphere and ocean and how they interact, while understood, is not predictable. AZ can bark all he wants as can the few scientists who also can't conclude that the planet's response to the increased solar absorption leads to climate change. The best case scenario for climate-change deniers is a statement that the result of human-based activity on the planet's climate is not predictable. But scientists are working pretty hard to make that statement difficult to deny also.


As for the presidential election, it's now Trump v Hilary. The best way for the GOP to ensure a Hilary win is to have an independent GOP make a run. The same is true for Hilary. Put a lefty as an independent on the ticket.

The GOP is too hungry for power. They will unite to save themselves and Trump will soften. The Dems would do the same. Corruption must continue. Power at all costs. It will be a love-in at the July GOP convention. Trump has a shot to win, a good shot. There is enough hatred of the status-quo and I think Trump is enough of a chameleon and the American public foolish enough for more people to fall into the "anything but Hilary" slot over the "Anything but Trump" slot.

Trump's hyperbole is more news-catchy than anything Hilary would ever say.

America deserves Trump.
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May 8th, 2016 at 8:23:55 AM permalink
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The science behind global warming is simply chemistry, well proven.

No, because a tiny handful of scientists say otherwise. Didn't you read Tanko's post?
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May 8th, 2016 at 8:37:18 AM permalink
The handful of scientists are not denying the basic science. They are denying the predictions of the chemistry because the earth's systems are too complex to predict and they view trends differently or attribute the trends to other things.

I don't mind. The US and some of its population has this mentality of live for today and screw the future. I'm fine with that.
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May 8th, 2016 at 8:39:18 AM permalink
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The science behind global warming is simply chemistry, well proven. The planet's response to increased greenhouse gases which has increased solar absorption (absolutely a fact, proven with chemistry and experiments) cannot be easily shown as the planet's weather, atmosphere and ocean and how they interact, while understood, is not predictable. AZ can bark all he wants as can the few scientists who also can't conclude that the planet's response to the increased solar absorption leads to climate change. The best case scenario for climate-change deniers is a statement that the result of human-based activity on the planet's climate is not predictable. But scientists are working pretty hard to make that statement difficult to deny also.



The climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Somehow it warmer up before the first SUV was built. One thing science does prove is that change is normal. What is different now is too many people think they are going to die because of what has been happening for those billions of years,

Lets not forget, over 95% of "greenhouse gasses" would be happening even if there was not one human being on the panet, 95%! That alone makes me a denier.
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May 8th, 2016 at 9:09:05 AM permalink
There has been no record of the atmospheric composition and change occurring this rapidly unless it can be explained by a known event, like a major volcano or meteor strike. All other climate change has been incredibly slow taking place over thousands of year (including the latest ice age). So the statement "climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years" is just a minimizing statement that ignores the unprecedented and observed change over the last few decades.

Given that CO2 has risen over 30% in the last 50 years your statement about "greenhouse gases" not happening is bull.
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May 8th, 2016 at 9:18:56 AM permalink
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Lets not forget, over 95% of "greenhouse gasses" would be happening even if there was not one human being on the panet, 95%! That alone makes me a denier.



It shouldn't if you know anything about how CO2 emission and absortion work. While a large percent of CO2 is emitted by natural soures that is reabsorbed by other natural sources, Specifically vegetation produces 439 gigatons of atmospheric CO2 and absorbs 450 gigatons the oceans release 332 and absorb 338. So they are actually a net CO2 absorber. In contrast humans release 29 gigatons and absorb none. This means even after accounting for the absortion of other sources humans produce an exess of 12 gigatons of CO2 a year. So humans are responsbile for taking a net negative system to a net positive system and hence are responsible for the increase in atmospheric CO2.

This rise in atmospheric CO2 leads to a rise in global temperature based on very simple scientific principals. Honestly though I don't know why I bothered with this post since you are just going to ignore it and continue to claim knowledge in exceedence of the vast majority of people who have devoted their entire life to studying this because you just know things in your gut.
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May 8th, 2016 at 9:23:18 AM permalink
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But please do not expect me to shut up and listen to the historians, same as shutting up and listening to the scientists when it comes to global warming, I prefer to think for myself.

I agree to an extent, and especially when it comes to self-anointed "experts". What do you think of the self-anointed gambling math "experts" in here?

We've got BBB, who "circulates in Vegas"; BJ, who writes how-to articles on who knows what on cargo ship rides; Mission who writes "articles" on demand; and a guy who passed the tin cup, lost a job at the Venetian soon after starting, and bragged about buying souls.
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May 8th, 2016 at 9:25:55 AM permalink
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Given that CO2 has risen over 30% in the last 50 years your statement about "greenhouse gases" not happening is bull.

Who cares, we won't be around for whatever. There are already a million and one solutions to the greenhouse thing. I worry about what's around the corner that no one sees coming because we're arguing about this stuff.
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May 8th, 2016 at 9:36:04 AM permalink
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Lets not forget, over 95% of "greenhouse gasses" would be happening even if there was not one human being on the panet, 95%! That alone makes me a denier.

Quote: Twirdman

It shouldn't if you know anything about how CO2 emission and absorption work.

When has lack of knowledge ever stopped him?
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May 8th, 2016 at 9:41:07 AM permalink
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Yes, UNLV. And the Wizard himself taught it.

Does the Wizard hold a BMath, MMath, or Doctorate of Math? Why didn't he say what his "adjunct professorship" amounted to, in his Wiki write-up? A couple of "bird courses"?

P.S. There's a lot more to gambling than just the gambling math.
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