Nevada Caucus today
We have so many members here that live in Nevada
Anybody attending a caucus?
If so, a report of your experience would be neat
Quote: Gabes22I am 37 years old and college educated and I don't even know what the hell a caucus is
Are you in NV?
If so, check it out and report back here :-)
Our group talked at each other a little. Other groups were much more passionate. I spoke some with the people next to me and, for the most part, everyone had their mind made up.
So, we took an initial poll to determine viability, that is that there was no candidate with too few supporters to earn a delegate. It was 29-28 to Bernie with one undecided, an senior who had been brought to the event by a Hillary backer.
Each group put forward some people to talk to him. He was persuaded that Hillary might be indicted and that this would be a catastrophe.
30-28. 7 delegates to 6 for Bernie.
Nevada Democrat caucuses were today as was South Carolina's Republican primary.
The Nevada Republican caucuses are Tuesday.
The South Carolina Democrat primary is Saturday.
Anyone here going to the Republican caucus?
Quote: RonC
Anyone here going to the Republican caucus?
I am going to the Nevada Republican caucus, supporting Trump. I am looking forward to the experience. My brother was going to go with me as he was going to support Jeb. I don't know if I can turn him on to Trump, but will be trying. :) I do know that he doesn't like Rubio.
My partner attended the Nevada Democratic caucus today supporting Hillary. He said at the time the doors were supposed to close they took everyone that was in line, but had not yet registered and allowed them inside to participate, without registering or checking to be sure they were eligible to participate. Haven't seen any reports to that effect though.
Quote: kewljI am going to the Nevada Republican caucus, supporting Trump. I am looking forward to the experience. My brother was going to go with me as he was going to support Jeb. I don't know if I can turn him on to Trump, but will be trying. :) I do know that he doesn't like Rubio.
My partner attended the Nevada Democratic caucus today supporting Hillary. He said at the time the doors were supposed to close they took everyone that was in line, but had not yet registered and allowed them inside to participate, without registering or checking to be sure they were eligible to participate. Haven't seen any reports to that effect though.
Kasich. :)
Quote: kewljI am going to the Nevada Republican caucus, supporting Trump. I am looking forward to the experience. My brother was going to go with me as he was going to support Jeb. I don't know if I can turn him on to Trump, but will be trying. :) I do know that he doesn't like Rubio.
BBB mentioned Kasich; that is absolutely a wasted vote unless it somehow helps him towards the VP nomination. I think Republicans should vote for Trump, Cruz, or Rubio and not give any support to non-contenders. Pick your poison out of the three remaining legitimate candidates. If you want to help any of the other candidates, donate money to them. Don't waste your vote. Unless, of course, you want to. Then do whatever you want!
Quote: kewljMy partner attended the Nevada Democratic caucus today supporting Hillary. He said at the time the doors were supposed to close they took everyone that was in line, but had not yet registered and allowed them inside to participate, without registering or checking to be sure they were eligible to participate. Haven't seen any reports to that effect though.
That is too bad. I hate to see people allowing that to happen to the process. That is why I support voter ID--one person, properly registered, properly identified, and then allowed to vote. It is why I disagree with what some Republicans either did or thought about doing...casting votes in both caucuses based on a loophole in the law on "how" one becomes eligible to caucus. No, I don't just disagree; I think it is reprehensible. This loophole should be closed right away and not ignored because the next Iowa caucus is four years out...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/playing-cards-decides-ties-in-nevada-caucus#.nlYreN47W
Quote: RonC"On Saturday afternoon, Wall Street Journal reporter Reid Epstein tweeted a photo of Pahrump precinct chair Peggy Rhoads using playing cards to break a tie between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders during the Nevada caucus."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/playing-cards-decides-ties-in-nevada-caucus#.nlYreN47W
Hillary sure is lucky with all of these tie breakers...
MSNBC described the tie breaking process several times throughout the day yesterday. Yes, it sounds silly to use decks of cards (shuffled 7 times, FYI). But those are the rules.... and I think it fits Nevada nicely.
Quote: ams288Hillary sure is lucky with all of these tie breakers...
MSNBC described the tie breaking process several times throughout the day yesterday. Yes, it sounds silly to use decks of cards (shuffled 7 times, FYI). But those are the rules.... and I think it fits Nevada nicely.
It is Nevada...and it is no more silly than drawing straws or tossing a coin. A duel would not work since there could be more than one tie in the State...but it would be nice if they required it if there was only one tie in a caucus--think of it as a "sudden death" playoff instantly changing the game!
Okay...really only kidding...
Quote: kewljI am going to the Nevada Republican caucus, supporting Trump. I am looking forward to the experience. My brother was going to go with me as he was going to support Jeb. I don't know if I can turn him on to Trump, but will be trying. :) I do know that he doesn't like Rubio.
I have convinced my brother to attend a Trump rally with me tonight at South Point casino. He says that doesn't mean he will support Trump. One step at a time. :)
Quote: kewljI have convinced my brother to attend a Trump rally with me tonight at South Point casino. He says that doesn't mean he will support Trump. One step at a time. :)
Should have grabbed a Hillary shirt to wear for cover since most of the casino workers are in the tank for the Dems. Figure they will be even more pissed there are Trump supporters in their casino and might let you spread more.
The Clark County GOP Web Site has made pre-registration as easy as possible. We'll all have to wait and see whether the caucus is as chaotic as the last two of them.Quote: kewljMy partner attended the Nevada Democratic caucus today supporting Hillary. He said at the time the doors were supposed to close they took everyone that was in line, but had not yet registered and allowed them inside to participate, without registering or checking to be sure they were eligible to participate. Haven't seen any reports to that effect though.
Quote: kewljI have convinced my brother to attend a Trump rally with me tonight at South Point casino. He says that doesn't mean he will support Trump. One step at a time.
In the end, I did successfully convert an extra Trump voter. I can't say he is super enthusiastic about it, but he has decided to support Trump. And I didn't even have to resort to raising his rent or in this case initiating rent. :)
Quote: BozShould have grabbed a Hillary shirt to wear for cover since most of the casino workers are in the tank for the Dems. Figure they will be even more pissed there are Trump supporters in their casino and might let you spread more.
There was a big deal made of casino workers support for Hillary over the weekend, but I think it was mostly the "back of house" type employees and not so much the dealers/pit type of employees. It was also limited to the strip location, where Harry Reid pulled strings. After a call from Reid late in the week, Caesar's offered employees 3 hours paid time off if they attended the caucuses.
So employees had the choice of working for 3 hours or attending the caucus and getting paid for 3 hours. And knowing ahead of time that Hillary enjoyed greater support from "back of house employees" than Bernie did, that was obviously a big advantage. I don't know if that qualifies as "illegal", but it sort of 'smacks' of improper to me. :/
I did not hear if MGM or other properties did like-wise.
Quote: RigondeauxWhat did you think of the Trump rally Kewlj? Some accounts suggest they get ugly. Others make them sound fun.
I was fun. Pretty large and fired up crowd. Someone said 10,000 people.....I don't know. Some waited in line for 6 hours.
Sherriff Joe from Arizona was there....he's a bit much for me. Trump was definitely "high energy". Lol. Says he won EVERY category in South Carolina, men, woman, young, old, fat people, skinny people. I think he has a good sense of humor, although it doesn't always come through. He might just be laughing all the way to the White House. :/
Quote: kewljAfter a call from Reid late in the week, Caesar's offered employees 3 hours paid time off if they attended the caucuses.
So employees had the choice of working for 3 hours or attending the caucus and getting paid for 3 hours. And knowing ahead of time that Hillary enjoyed greater support from "back of house employees" than Bernie did, that was obviously a big advantage. I don't know if that qualifies as "illegal", but it sort of 'smacks' of improper to me. :/
I don't quite follow you on the jump to "improper" here. They gave employees the option of attending the caucus without losing wages. Unless they unduly influenced who to caucus for, seems like they were just encouraging voter participation. Surely they had to make the same offer to all employees, front/back of house inclusive?
Quote: AcesAndEightsI don't quite follow you on the jump to "improper" here. They gave employees the option of attending the caucus without losing wages. Unless they unduly influenced who to caucus for, seems like they were just encouraging voter participation. Surely they had to make the same offer to all employees, front/back of house inclusive?
Was the same offer made for today? If not, there is your answer.
Either way it was a calculated way to ensure more people with liberal views made it out to vote (caucus). Unions do the same thing here in PA every year. Workers get a paid day off on election day however they are expected to work phone banks and provide rides to the polls for those they know will vote Dem.
Quote: BozWas the same offer made for today? If not, there is your answer.
Either way it was a calculated way to ensure more people with liberal views made it out to vote (caucus). Unions do the same thing here in PA every year. Workers get a paid day off on election day however they are expected to work phone banks and provide rides to the polls for those they know will vote Dem.
I doubt union workers will work phone banks unless they are paid.. OOOPS my bad
Quote: ziadymfI doubt union workers will work phone banks unless they are paid.. OOOPS my bad
Union workers work less than non union members.
But do they get paid more? Occasionally the answer is yes, but more often it is no. JIMO. I think the numbers show that union membership is dropping in this country, as a percentage. No I don't have no damn source to quote which might be a questionable source to begin with, especially not a 'news source'. (Rascals)... There was a time in history when it was valiant to start a union in this country. Heroes were involved. I think that time has passed. From a corporate perspective, you only get a union if you really 'effed' up your job in providing a 'special' place for your employees to work........But, the union movement doesn't die easily, the union managers have too much to lose..Quote: IbeatyouracesUnion workers work less than non union members.
All just in the opinion of a backwoods, southern, free spirit, of course.
Quote: BozWas the same offer made for today? If not, there is your answer.
Either way it was a calculated way to ensure more people with liberal views made it out to vote (caucus). Unions do the same thing here in PA every year. Workers get a paid day off on election day however they are expected to work phone banks and provide rides to the polls for those they know will vote Dem.
It's a Democratic caucus, though. What would be the advantage to letting more Dems in their own caucus and fewer Reps?
The idea, I think, is that they wanted to tilt things to Hillary and away from Bernie.
In Nevada they are not really so much about "working phone banks" and "provid(ing) rides" down at the ol' union hall on caucus day. In many City precincts they are doing exactly what they are told by the machine, in mass, watched over by a Local 226 "Business Agent" (*ahem* *cough*cough*) as communicated through their Culinary "Union" Local 226 boss, which remains a wholly owned subsidiary of the mob. Yes, that mob. Yes they do. Still.
The rest of the State is a different matter, as are even some (mostly newer) parts of the metro area. But Southern Nevada is close to 70% of the State population, and among Democrats an even higher proportion than that, and the most urbanized parts of Las Vegas metro dominate in it. I'm sure some here will decide not to believe that this sort of thing is really true now, and I know for sure it will make a few individuals angry to hear it because it offends their cherished political religion. There's at least one who will be very angry and probably pop a cork before she even gets halfway down to this sentence. So be it. It is what it is, and has been for a long time.
But I'd suggest that it would not be very accurate or at all wise to try to draw any conclusions whatsoever about the sum of what individuals' political opinions may be based on tabulating the reported results of the Nevada Caucus, or to predict the results of same based on surveys. One party has more problems with bare-knuckled corruption than the other, but in Southern Nevada both have extremely serious (different, but serious) issues as deficient transmission mechanisms for general public preferences. Unless someone's idea of "public" is taken to mean the same thing as the henchmen who regularly end up in Federal prison about once a decade. Last time was when they were (again) caught by the FBI taking their payroll from their mob bagman in 2006-07, and the ENTIRE supposedly "elected" local government of Clark County went to Federal prison at once, save for one single solitary individual in local gov't who wasn't on the outfit/machine payroll. Including a rather charismatic charming & quite telegenic fellow named Dario Herrera, the former top aid to the Hon. Sen Reid, (who knew nothing about it of course *ahem*cough*) who was also designated by Reid & the machine to become the next US Congressman, and turned out to be more colorful than some of his comrades. He regularly took some portion of his mob payoffs in the form of certain 'orally delivered' intimate personal services from several mob hookers on a local golf course. Along with the usual sack of cash. When he wasn't too busy with looting some millions from funds intended for low-income housing programs, as his designated piece of the local (now supposedly 'progressive' branded) machine.
Come to think of it, since they average about once every 8-10 yrs. or so in between FBI busts for their public underlings of the machine getting shiny new Federal inmate numbers and plastic sandals, and the last one went 'up the river' most recently in 2007, it seems they're about due again. Oh, goody. This time I wanna see the golf course video. Fore! (Or are ya 'spose to be yelling "four?" I don't know much about golf. And apparently neither did Tiffany, and Kitty, and Tempest, and Amber, and Charity, and Stormy, and...)
Quote: BozWas the same offer made for today? If not, there is your answer.
Either way it was a calculated way to ensure more people with liberal views made it out to vote (caucus). Unions do the same thing here in PA every year. Workers get a paid day off on election day however they are expected to work phone banks and provide rides to the polls for those they know will vote Dem.
I had forgotten that Dem/GOP were on different days in Nevada. Still, kewlj's point seemed to be that the casinos wanted folks to caucus for Hillary at the Dem caucus. That was my point; unless they were compelling them to caucus for one of the dem candidates, it wasn't biased toward Hillary or Bernie. Now encouraging them to caucus for the Democrats in general, you have a point there. Unless the same offer was made today, of course.
Quote: Amy Chozik @The New York TimesIn an interview on Thursday, Mr. Reid said he had spoken to D. Taylor, the president of the parent union of the Culinary Workers Union, which has 57,000 members, more than half of which are Latino. The union wields enormous power in the state and declined to endorse a presidential candidate this year.
“He’s been extremely cooperative,” Mr. Reid said. “Probably 100 organizers will be at the caucus sites and in hotels to make sure people know what they’re doing.”
EDIT to add: I'm not sure if people from far away will realize that many of these caucuses were held inside casino property and that those "volunteering" to run them there are generally employed as the Culinary Local's "business agents." And it is a caucus, not a secret ballot voting process. Think it through what that really does; even from a great distance some serious 'concerns' may occur to you. And you will be right. Maybe fine in Iowa, I wouldn't know. Nevada is not Iowa.
After being given a ballot, some people sat down at tables to discuss state delegates. I am not really sure what that was about. No one explained what it was about. We (my brother and I) didn't really participate in that. So after filling out our ballot, someone came around to collect them. It was a two person team. One of them had a "Trus-Ted" campaign button on. I wasn't real comfortable with THAT. Makes me wonder if I actually voted. :(
After participating in my first caucus, I think the caucus system is idiotic. Just hold a damn normal primary, which will increase participation, which is what SHOULD be encouraged. It is my understanding that states that hold caucuses do so because it costs a lot less...fewer locations and shorter voting time. Cost should not be a consideration. Have a primary and a NORMAL voting procedure....just my opinion.
Quote: kewlj
After participating in my first caucus, I think the caucus system is idiotic. .
They are idiotic. Why NV chose to do it this
way 8 years ago is a mystery. They screwed
it up big time in 2008 and 12.
Then I left and hit a royal nearby with my 1st beer. Not a bad night.
Quote: kewljJust home from the caucus. Kind of a weird experience. My caucus site was at a high school in Summerlin, not too far from where I live. We arrived early. It was crowded and a bit confusing at the beginning. There were 30 some different voting precinct that were caucusing at this one site, so the first thing you needed to do was find your correct precinct to sign in. There were speakers representing Trump, Cruz and I guess Rubio (not actually sure of the third speaker). They just kind of spoke in an area of the room....were not speaking to the whole room. No one speaking on behalf of Carson or Kasich, that I saw. Donald Trump came in early creating quite a buzz.
After being given a ballot, some people sat down at tables to discuss state delegates. I am not really sure what that was about. No one explained what it was about. We (my brother and I) didn't really participate in that. So after filling out our ballot, someone came around to collect them. It was a two person team. One of them had a "Trus-Ted" campaign button on. I wasn't real comfortable with THAT. Makes me wonder if I actually voted. :(
After participating in my first caucus, I think the caucus system is idiotic. Just hold a damn normal primary, which will increase participation, which is what SHOULD be encouraged. It is my understanding that states that hold caucuses do so because it costs a lot less...fewer locations and shorter voting time. Cost should not be a consideration. Have a primary and a NORMAL voting procedure....just my opinion.
Glad to hear it's as silly in person as it seems watching at home. Like you stated, I see no reason to not hold a regular primary and just let people vote.
Quote: DrawingDeadControl of politics in Southern Nevada isn't very much about "politics" in the usual sense of individuals making their own personal public policy choices; it is about machine politics. Old fashioned machine politics. The very old fashioned kind. For many years it has been and today continues to be very much controlled by a machine which happens to be nominally mostly affiliated with the Democrat Partty, but in reality doesn't actually give a flying fig about any real allegiance to an ideology, other than using the populist language of political ideology for continuing power and to make plain old fashioned loot for those in control of it. The head of that machine, the Senior US Senator from NV & former Senate Majority Leader & current United States Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid, was first discovered at least as far back as 1979 to be working for The Outfit in FBI wiretaps during a US Justice Dept. investigation of the mob skimming that eventually bankrupted the old Tropicana, when it was controlled by the Chicago & Kansas City mob families.
In Nevada they are not really so much about "working phone banks" and "provid(ing) rides" down at the ol' union hall on caucus day. In many City precincts they are doing exactly what they are told by the machine, in mass, watched over by a Local 226 "Business Agent" (*ahem* *cough*cough*) as communicated through their Culinary "Union" Local 226 boss, which remains a wholly owned subsidiary of the mob. Yes, that mob. Yes they do. Still.
The rest of the State is a different matter, as are even some (mostly newer) parts of the metro area. But Southern Nevada is close to 70% of the State population, and among Democrats an even higher proportion than that, and the most urbanized parts of Las Vegas metro dominate in it. I'm sure some here will decide not to believe that this sort of thing is really true now, and I know for sure it will make a few individuals angry to hear it because it offends their cherished political religion. There's at least one who will be very angry and probably pop a cork before she even gets halfway down to this sentence. So be it. It is what it is, and has been for a long time.
But I'd suggest that it would not be very accurate or at all wise to try to draw any conclusions whatsoever about the sum of what individuals' political opinions may be based on tabulating the reported results of the Nevada Caucus, or to predict the results of same based on surveys. One party has more problems with bare-knuckled corruption than the other, but in Southern Nevada both have extremely serious (different, but serious) issues as deficient transmission mechanisms for general public preferences. Unless someone's idea of "public" is taken to mean the same thing as the henchmen who regularly end up in Federal prison about once a decade. Last time was when they were (again) caught by the FBI taking their payroll from their mob bagman in 2006-07, and the ENTIRE supposedly "elected" local government of Clark County went to Federal prison at once, save for one single solitary individual in local gov't who wasn't on the outfit/machine payroll. Including a rather charismatic charming & quite telegenic fellow named Dario Herrera, the former top aid to the Hon. Sen Reid, (who knew nothing about it of course *ahem*cough*) who was also designated by Reid & the machine to become the next US Congressman, and turned out to be more colorful than some of his comrades. He regularly took some portion of his mob payoffs in the form of certain 'orally delivered' intimate personal services from several mob hookers on a local golf course. Along with the usual sack of cash. When he wasn't too busy with looting some millions from funds intended for low-income housing programs, as his designated piece of the local (now supposedly 'progressive' branded) machine.
Come to think of it, since they average about once every 8-10 yrs. or so in between FBI busts for their public underlings of the machine getting shiny new Federal inmate numbers and plastic sandals, and the last one went 'up the river' most recently in 2007, it seems they're about due again. Oh, goody. This time I wanna see the golf course video. Fore! (Or are ya 'spose to be yelling "four?" I don't know much about golf. And apparently neither did Tiffany, and Kitty, and Tempest, and Amber, and Charity, and Stormy, and...)
There should be a thread just about crooked Nevada politics. I played poker with a woman who helped expose the corruption in the adult guardianship program and it is mindblowing and, I guess, fairly pervasive. Her mom was put in an institution under false claims of abuse. Her estate handed over to a private (yes!) guardian, who proceeded to loot it with no consequences. The woman is named Elizabeth. She kicked and screamed for years and finally got it on the local news, which you can see here.
http://www.ktnv.com/news/contact-13/search-warrants-served-as-police-investigate-guardianship-exploitation
A news story.
"If there were any doubts that the Clark County adult guardianship system needs a major overhaul, they were cast aside last week in the first meeting of a 26-member panel commissioned by the Nevada Supreme Court.
As reported by the Review-Journal'€™s Colton Lochhead, the panel is aiming to fix what three of the state'€™s top justices view as a troubled process that has seen some guardians drain hundreds of thousands of dollars from the accounts of elderly and mentally incompetent Nevadans. Yet during the meeting, Jared Shafer, who worked for more than 20 years as the Clark County public administrator and public guardian before starting his private professional guardianship business in 2003, stated that the system "isn'€™t that bad."
Certainly not for Mr. Shafer, whom Mr. Lochhead wrote about earlier this year in an extensive series on the seriously flawed guardianship system. Mr. Shafer took over as the court-approved guardian for World War II veteran Guadalupe Olvera in 2009. Over the next 3½ years, Mr. Olvera'€™s estate was drained of at least $420,000 -- including $240,000 in legal costs as his daughter, Rebecca Schultz, who lives in Aptos, Calif., fought to gain guardianship.
Mr. Lochhead noted that after Mr. Shafer'€™s assessment, one woman at the public meeting shouted, "€œYou used the money to pay lawyers!"€ť Many others who attended the meeting, held in a Regional Justice Center courtroom, stood in front of the panel and explained that their family members who had been made wards of the county had been exploited by their guardians."
- See more at: http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-clark-county-adult-guardianship-program-must-better-protect-wards#sthash.K8FeqR9q.dpuf
Basically, they were just outright looting the entire estates of senior citizens and borderline kidnapping them. Couldn't have happened without cooperation from some high level people.
Quote: RigondeauxQuote: DrawingDead...<quoted some long-winded stuff I wrote>....
There should be a thread just about crooked Nevada politics. I played poker with a woman who helped expose the corruption in the adult guardianship program and it is mindblowing and, I guess, fairly pervasive. Her mom was put in an institution under false claims of abuse. Her estate handed over to a private (yes!) guardian, who proceeded to loot it with no consequences. The woman is named Elizabeth. She kicked and screamed for years and finally got it on the local news, which you can see here.
http://www.ktnv.com/news/contact-13/search-warrants-served-as-police-investigate-guardianship-exploitation
A news story.
"If there were any doubts that the Clark County adult guardianship system needs a major overhaul, they were cast aside last week in the first meeting of a 26-member panel commissioned by the Nevada Supreme Court.
As reported by the Review-Journal'€™s Colton Lochhead, the panel is aiming to fix what three of the state'€™s top justices view as a troubled process that has seen some guardians drain hundreds of thousands of dollars from the accounts of elderly and mentally incompetent Nevadans. Yet during the meeting, Jared Shafer, who worked for more than 20 years as the Clark County public administrator and public guardian before starting his private professional guardianship business in 2003, stated that the system "isn'€™t that bad."
Certainly not for Mr. Shafer, whom Mr. Lochhead wrote about earlier this year in an extensive series on the seriously flawed guardianship system. Mr. Shafer took over as the court-approved guardian for World War II veteran Guadalupe Olvera in 2009. Over the next 3½ years, Mr. Olvera'€™s estate was drained of at least $420,000 -- including $240,000 in legal costs as his daughter, Rebecca Schultz, who lives in Aptos, Calif., fought to gain guardianship.
Mr. Lochhead noted that after Mr. Shafer'€™s assessment, one woman at the public meeting shouted, "€śYou used the money to pay lawyers!"€ť Many others who attended the meeting, held in a Regional Justice Center courtroom, stood in front of the panel and explained that their family members who had been made wards of the county had been exploited by their guardians."
- See more at: http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-clark-county-adult-guardianship-program-must-better-protect-wards#sthash.K8FeqR9q.dpuf
Basically, they were just outright looting the entire estates of senior citizens and borderline kidnapping them. Couldn't have happened without cooperation from some high level people.
https://vimeo.com/153723787
Quote: teddyskewlj, did I see you and your brother in this video? :)
https://vimeo.com/153723787
I don't think that video is from Monday night's rallys (2-22-16). Monday's rally was in the arena. Trump was wearing a blue tie and there were people standing behind Trump. In this Video he is wearing a red tie, speaking from a podium with a set of flags behind him. This video looks like a speach in a smaller, ballroom type space. Perhaps it was earlier in the campaign.
Edit: on second look, if you read the comments section after the video, there are comments as old as 7 days ago, so that must have been an earlier, smaller rally at South Point.
