Porn Slappers
August 2nd, 2010 at 9:36:49 AM
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In another thread:
I read in a book recently that down on Fremont street, because of the covering, the enclosed nature of it, or something, that they were able to declare that area of Fremont street covered by the Fremont Experience to be private property, and that is why they are able to ban the "porn slappers" from that area. On the other hand, the Strip has not been successful in declaring the sidewalks in front of the various casinos as private areas, and thus the "porn slappers" have free reign. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
P.S. I love the phrase "porn slappers." Makes me giggle. :)
Quote: NareedSo certainly the Venetian can ban porn slappers from its property. If the sidewalk is its property, it can ban them there, too
I read in a book recently that down on Fremont street, because of the covering, the enclosed nature of it, or something, that they were able to declare that area of Fremont street covered by the Fremont Experience to be private property, and that is why they are able to ban the "porn slappers" from that area. On the other hand, the Strip has not been successful in declaring the sidewalks in front of the various casinos as private areas, and thus the "porn slappers" have free reign. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
P.S. I love the phrase "porn slappers." Makes me giggle. :)
August 2nd, 2010 at 10:13:38 AM
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It's how the town/city defines it.
Where I live, there is a 3' strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street. The sidewalk is about 3' wide.
The sidewalk AND the strip of grass are owned by the town. The homeowner must call the Shade Tree Commission if he wants to do any serious work in the area, or anything other than cutting a few overhanging branches.
However, it is the homeowner's responsibility to mow that strip, and to keep the sidewalk clear of snow.
On a similar line of thinking, the sidewalk on the Vegas strip might belong to the county, while it remains the ajacent landowner's responsibility to maintain. Therefore, the casinos keep it clean of dirt and trash, but can't clean up the porn slappers.
Freemont street is no longer a street - at least the parts that are covered and closed to traffic. It would not surprise me to find out that when the street was fist closed to begin construction of the experience, that those portions of the street were actually sold and are now private property. If that's the case, then only the small section of Casino Center Blvd that runs under the canopy would remain 'public'. But that ENTIRE square would be a street, not a sidewalk, therefore, again, no porn slappers.
Are there porn slappers on the side streets, just steps away from the experience?
Where I live, there is a 3' strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street. The sidewalk is about 3' wide.
The sidewalk AND the strip of grass are owned by the town. The homeowner must call the Shade Tree Commission if he wants to do any serious work in the area, or anything other than cutting a few overhanging branches.
However, it is the homeowner's responsibility to mow that strip, and to keep the sidewalk clear of snow.
On a similar line of thinking, the sidewalk on the Vegas strip might belong to the county, while it remains the ajacent landowner's responsibility to maintain. Therefore, the casinos keep it clean of dirt and trash, but can't clean up the porn slappers.
Freemont street is no longer a street - at least the parts that are covered and closed to traffic. It would not surprise me to find out that when the street was fist closed to begin construction of the experience, that those portions of the street were actually sold and are now private property. If that's the case, then only the small section of Casino Center Blvd that runs under the canopy would remain 'public'. But that ENTIRE square would be a street, not a sidewalk, therefore, again, no porn slappers.
Are there porn slappers on the side streets, just steps away from the experience?
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August 2nd, 2010 at 10:17:33 AM
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Quote: konceptumIn another thread:
I read in a book recently that down on Fremont street, because of the covering, the enclosed nature of it, or something, that they were able to declare that area of Fremont street covered by the Fremont Experience to be private property, and that is why they are able to ban the "porn slappers" from that area. On the other hand, the Strip has not been successful in declaring the sidewalks in front of the various casinos as private areas, and thus the "porn slappers" have free reign. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
That's basically my understanding of the two cases.
The Strip sidewalk issue made for a really compelling First Amendment case. With Nevada's history of lean, unfunded government and its libertarian streak, the county found itself unable to pay for the basic infrastructure needed to support its main economic engine, the Strip (which is not really in Las Vegas at all, but in unincorporated Clark County). So the Strip casinos stepped up to build sidewalks and other "public" areas in the absence of public money. Seemed like a win-win until the porn slappers became a widely despised nuisance and the casinos wanted them gone.
The question became about whether a corporation could stifle speech simply because it opened its checkbook in the absence of public money. The implications were pretty serious because this would mean, for example, that casino workers wouldn't be able to picket in front of their own workplace. The casinos could effectively say, "We own these sidewalks; go away."
As much as I hate the porn slappers (the litter, the annoyance, the hostility toward families), I believe in the First Amendment and think it shouldn't be sidestepped just because the speech in question is unsavory. Plus, the sidewalks along the busiest street in the whole state are inherently public, no matter who cut the check.
August 2nd, 2010 at 10:38:30 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
The sidewalk AND the strip of grass are owned by the town. The homeowner must call the Shade Tree Commission if he wants to do any serious work in the area, or anything other than cutting a few overhanging branches.
I am terrified by the notion that such a commission exists. Do you live in an area with lots of bored retired people?
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August 2nd, 2010 at 10:53:38 AM
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Bored, retired people? I don't think so. Then again, I only know people on my block.Quote: rdw4potusI am terrified by the notion that such a commission exists. Do you live in an area with lots of bored retired people?
When I was a kid (6? 12? I don't know how old I was), I had an Ice Tea stand (I'm not a fan of Lemonade). I made a sign, and nailed it to a tree.
After I gave up on the Iced Tea stand, my father noticed odd punctures in the tree, and called the Shade Tree Commission. He never connected the punctures to my sign. Or maybe he did, but never asked me about it.
They sent a tree surgeon to investigate. The surgeon cut away several layers of bark and tree rings to get to the bottom of the punctures, to make sure there wasn't any other probems. A couple years ago, I was in the neighborhood, so I stopped and looked at the tree. There are still marks as a result of the tree surgeon's work.
I bet if my father hadn't called, in a couple years, the tree would have grown over the punctures. The only reason he DID call was because it dodn't cost him anything.
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August 2nd, 2010 at 12:44:59 PM
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As much as the porn slappers annoy me, I have to respect their first amendment rights. I am not an expert in this area, but I favor legal methods to discourage them. For example, selling, or just giving away, the sidewalks to the casinos so they could chase them off, which of course already happens. The problem is the stretches of the Strip that don't front a casino, where they concentrate. Other ideas might be fining them for littering, although that would be a hard argument, because they are not the ones technically doing it, just the enablers. Another might be to crack down on the prostitutes they advertise, and make it known that is where the police will focus their stings, choking off the supply of advertisers. Any punishment I would hope could trickle down to the solicitor (i.e. company that supports the porn slappers).
If the police could get the slappers on any violation of the law, but I can't think of any offhand, I wouldn't oppose following Arizona's example and ask for proof of citizenship.
If the police could get the slappers on any violation of the law, but I can't think of any offhand, I wouldn't oppose following Arizona's example and ask for proof of citizenship.
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August 2nd, 2010 at 1:32:59 PM
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Quote: WizardAnother might be to crack down on the prostitutes they advertise, and make it known that is where the police will focus their stings, choking off the supply of advertisers. Any punishment I would hope could trickle down to the solicitor (i.e. company that supports the porn slappers).
I thought prostitution was de facto legal in vegas (which is an oxymoron, I know).
But really, if prostitution is illegal, then advertising it should be illegal as well. And if it ins't, then the purveyors of the profession should be very dicreet. The fact they operate so openly means they have nothing to fear from the law. I've seen peddlers on the bridges over the strip scramble when they get word the police are on the way. I've yet to see the porn slappers do likewise. You'll notice there are comparatively few peddlers and panhandlers on the Strip as compared to porn slappers.
So just legalize prostitution and the porn slappers will disappear. Instead they'll pay for billboards like everyone else.
Quote:If the police could get the slappers on any violation of the law, but I can't think of any offhand, I wouldn't oppose following Arizona's example and ask for proof of citizenship.
As I understand the Arizona law, police just can ask for proof of citizenship only while pursuing other matters. For instance, if you're stopped for runing a red light, and the officer has reason to suspect your immigration status, then he can ask.
Besides it looks like the courts will leglize illegal immigrants any day now.
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August 2nd, 2010 at 1:53:58 PM
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Quote: NareedI thought prostitution was de facto legal in vegas...
Prostitution is absolutely illegal in Clark County (where Vegas is). However, enforcing that law is not a priority of the police. I'm not an expert, but I think they do sweeps of the skanky street prostitutes at night, but don't go after the outcall services. The unspoken agreement seems to be that if the service is the least bit discrete about it, then the police turn a blind eye towards it.
Quote: NareedBut really, if prostitution is illegal, then advertising it should be illegal as well...
The services don't directly advertise prostitution. They advertise strippers, escorts, and entertainers, all of which are buzzwords for prostitutes. The services will always argue that they offer a legal service, and don't have control over what their independent contractors do behind closed doors.
Quote: NareedSo just legalize prostitution and the porn slappers will disappear...
You're preaching to the choir, brother.
Quote: Nareed
As I understand the Arizona law, police just can ask for proof of citizenship only while pursuing other matters. For instance, if you're stopped for runing a red light, and the officer has reason to suspect your immigration status, then he can ask.
At the risk of going off on a tangent, the police can already ask for proof of citizenship after sombody did break a law, like running a red light. I think what makes the Arizona law different is that they will more aggressively go after anybody "suspected" of committing a crime, including day laborers who tend to gather at hardware stores and nurseries. That obviously will lead to racial profiling, despite what anyone says, which is always controversial.
Quote: NareedBesides it looks like the courts will leglize illegal immigrants any day now.
Hmmm. Is it just me or is anyone else not aware of that?
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August 2nd, 2010 at 1:57:34 PM
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Quote: NareedI thought prostitution was de facto legal in vegas (which is an oxymoron, I know).
But really, if prostitution is illegal, then advertising it should be illegal as well.
The owners of the porn-slapping business are operating in a kind of legal gray area whereby they claim to be advertising "dancers" or "entertainment." The actual providers are independent contractors who pay for the advertising, so the the handbilling business has no legal liability for what goes on. Wink, wink. Everyone knows this is a load of BS, but the business is protected legally.
The county has taken steps to expel the porn slappers for decades with no success. Clark County has even had to pay judgments to the business. To read more on this, see this story from the Sun and this one.
Edit: Didn't know I would parrot the Wizard, as I was typing this while he was posting. It always slows me down when I want to post a link. Which brings me to a request for JB: Can you make inserting links easier?
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:33:02 PM
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Ok. It's discrete. But if such prostitution is tolerated, you know there's no way the Porn Slappers will ever become a priority, until more residents complain.Quote: WizardProstitution is absolutely illegal in Clark County (where Vegas is). However, enforcing that law is not a priority of the police.
Does that happen? Do people complain? Or do they complain about the 'escort' services?
If it's the latter, then nothing will happen, so long as the county wants to retain it's "Sin City" nickname...
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August 2nd, 2010 at 3:06:51 PM
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nyuhoosier, Thanks for the links. I think that does show that there is definitely some sort of legal allowance for the porn slappers to operate.
In actuality, SB1070 doesn't allow for someone to be pulled over just for suspected behavior. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if certain law enforcement officials wouldn't fabricate a reason for someone being pulled over ("you're taillight was broken") and then using that reason to ask for papers ("Where's your passport?"). Further, since the new law allows a law enforcement official to ask for citizenship papers, the law enforcement official can use some discretion in what qualifies for that. So, while a "white" person may get away with showing a state driver's license, a "non-white" person may be told that a state driver's license is not adequate documentation. I would definitely say that the law allows too much personal discretion on the part of the law enforcement official. I think any such law should be written more concretely, such as stating that a person must display their state driver's license as proof, or display a passport as proof, or whatever, and not leave it so open. Of course, even doing so might just lead to a run on fake driver's licenses.
Back on topic, here is the quote from the book I was reading:
The book is titled "24/7" by Andres Martinez, copyright 1999.
Quote: WizardAt the risk of going off on a tangent, the police can already ask for proof of citizenship after sombody did break a law, like running a red light. I think what makes the Arizona law different is that they will more aggressively go after anybody "suspected" of committing a crime, including day laborers who tend to gather at hardware stores and nurseries. That obviously will lead to racial profiling, despite what anyone says, which is always controversial.
In actuality, SB1070 doesn't allow for someone to be pulled over just for suspected behavior. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if certain law enforcement officials wouldn't fabricate a reason for someone being pulled over ("you're taillight was broken") and then using that reason to ask for papers ("Where's your passport?"). Further, since the new law allows a law enforcement official to ask for citizenship papers, the law enforcement official can use some discretion in what qualifies for that. So, while a "white" person may get away with showing a state driver's license, a "non-white" person may be told that a state driver's license is not adequate documentation. I would definitely say that the law allows too much personal discretion on the part of the law enforcement official. I think any such law should be written more concretely, such as stating that a person must display their state driver's license as proof, or display a passport as proof, or whatever, and not leave it so open. Of course, even doing so might just lead to a run on fake driver's licenses.
Back on topic, here is the quote from the book I was reading:
Quote: 24/7I woke up to discover that Fremont Street -- at least the pedestrian-only canopied "Fremont Street Experience" stretch -- was no longer a public street. A federal judge had so ruled on Tuesday in a free-speech case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union against the city. The city, which had ceded the street to an entity controlled by the casino operators behind the Fremont Street Experience, welcomed the decision, eager as it is to curtail the distribution of tawdry handbills as part of its campaign to clean up Sin City and make it family-freindly. This is akin to the struggle on the Strip, where casino owners are trying to incorporate sidewalks into their own resorts' designs in order to ban smut or, as in the case of Sheldon Adelson, to shut out union troublemakers.
The book is titled "24/7" by Andres Martinez, copyright 1999.
August 2nd, 2010 at 3:07:06 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearOk. It's discrete. But if such prostitution is tolerated, you know there's no way the Porn Slappers will ever become a priority, until more residents complain.
Does that happen? Do people complain? Or do they complain about the 'escort' services?
If it's the latter, then nothing will happen, so long as the county wants to retain it's "Sin City" nickname...
We residents, including me, complain all the time about the slappers, but it seems there is no law we can point to that they are breaking. I think few complain about the escort services, as long as they don't get in your face with advertising, which they are starting to do, i.e. the moving billboards that impede traffic up and down the Strip.
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August 2nd, 2010 at 3:41:25 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearAre there porn slappers on the side streets, just steps away from the experience?
Having been on Main, Stewart, and Ogden, and the portion of Fremont past the Experience to the El Cortez a few times each, I can tell you that the next slapper I see in the neighborhood will be the first one. There are, however, numerous freebie magazine racks where you can pick up advertisements for that sort of thing. No one forces them on you, of course.
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:05:45 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusI am terrified by the notion that such a commission exists. Do you live in an area with lots of bored retired people?
This did make me laugh, because my first appointment as a "politician" was on my town's Shade Tree Board...and this was a fairly large municipality (50k residents). I can say that we focused mostly on "feel good" stuff. We had a program with 4th graders on Arbor Day that was popular, and we raised independent funds for an Arboretum at the high school. It was only rarely that we had to deal with the type of activity that DJ TeddyBear describes. While we may have had purview over 3 feet of land on every street, most times no one asked asked us about anything, and if they did we granted it unless they were going to be screwing up underground wires, sewers, or pipes. It was more to make sure they weren't going to screw things up for the rest of the neighborhood, rather than to stop a homeowner from doing their thang. Of course, I (and most of my fellow board members) was appointed by a Conservative Republican mayor. Oh and it was completely unpaid.
August 4th, 2010 at 2:56:44 AM
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Quote: cclub79Of course, I (and most of my fellow board members) was appointed by a Conservative Republican mayor. Oh and it was completely unpaid.
When I first read this line, I thought: Boy, that's redundant because pretty much all Republicans are ultra-conservative these days. But then I realized you were talking about local politics. On that level, maybe there is such a thing as moderate Republicans.
I think the Fox News hype machine and talk radio have basically hijacked the Republican Party and made it a far-right reactionary group. It's pretty sad. Used to be, I agreed with the Republicans on some issues and with the Democrats on others. I even worked for a moderate Republican mayor in New York -- proudly. Now I can't find much to like about the GOP. They're more about being the Stop Obama party than about offering solutions and working through some of the intractable problems facing the U.S.
August 4th, 2010 at 4:19:09 PM
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Slappers are only allowed on the strip where there is a white stripe along the sidewalk. The question is: How is it determined which parts of the sidewalk get the white stripe?
August 9th, 2010 at 7:19:54 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 10th, 2010 at 12:22:25 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesOne would think that a loitering ordinance would be enacted. These people should not be doing this in a place where kids are all over the place. Funny how the police make more of an issue over jaywalking (as seen on an episode of "Cops") then they do about people passing off porn to potential minors.
I disagree. The police should go after jaywalkers aggressively. I don't have statistics, but you hear on the news from time to time about jaywalkers being hit and killed on the Strip. The non-fatal injuries I'm sure are much more, and not interesting enough to make the news. Furthermore, as someone who has to drive on the Strip, jaywalkers are extremely annoying. It impedes traffic when you are trying to make a legal left turn off the Strip only to have 50 jaywalkers in your way. This is especially common turning onto Harmon. I've noticed that most of the time the pedestrians are well behaved, but once one guy walks against a red light, everyone else follows like sheep.
About the loitering ordinance, I'm not a lawyer, but I think it would be hard to make that argument stick. It would also set a bad precedent for free speech if it did.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 10th, 2010 at 1:23:49 PM
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Quote: WizardI disagree. The police should go after jaywalkers aggressively.
I agree. Let them play Russian Roulette in their own time.
Quote:About the loitering ordinance, I'm not a lawyer, but I think it would be hard to make that argument stick.
Much as I dislike the porn slappers, I freely concede they're working rather than loitering. Whatever legal case may be exist or not, there is no moral case for it.
Trouble is despite being ignored, and despite the cards carpeting the sidewalk, the business model works; otherwise they wouldn't be there.
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August 10th, 2010 at 1:55:06 PM
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Quote: Nareedthe business model works; otherwise they wouldn't be there.
I've had this discussion with a few friends. The feeling is there's no way the businesses are making money utilizing porn slappers. HOWEVER, they never seem to go away, so...
August 10th, 2010 at 2:52:52 PM
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I was taken aback by how aggressively the police go after jaywalkers in Vegas. One time on the Strip I darted across a side street with no traffic in sight (that's the New Yorker in me), and before I could cross, a copper was giving me the get-over-here stare. Another guy was asked to step over to side as well. One cop asked me a bunch of questions, took my ID and ultimately let me go -- only because I still had my Florida ID and he thought I was a tourist. Another cop questioned the other guy and ended up DETAINING him because apparently was a local and had a Nevada ID. Needless to say, it was the last time I darted across a street in Vegas. I agree that the pedestrians on the Strip are a big annoyance to drivers and a safety risk.
August 10th, 2010 at 2:52:58 PM
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Someone is making enough money from it to buy those guys all those large, colorful tee-shirts. I'd say its the agency but all those cards they hand out say "not an agency" on them.
South American Death Squads get rid of street urchins. Eventually the casinos will do what has to be done.
South American Death Squads get rid of street urchins. Eventually the casinos will do what has to be done.
August 10th, 2010 at 3:29:10 PM
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Quote: RPToroI've had this discussion with a few friends. The feeling is there's no way the businesses are making money utilizing porn slappers. HOWEVER, they never seem to go away, so...
In my ongoing struggle against telemarketers, I've actually taken their offers twice. Once long ago for a credit card, and another a couple of years ago to upgrade my cell-phone plan. So they're about 2 for several thousands with me. Maybe that's not enough to make a profit, but maybe I'm an unusually hard target to hit. Either way telemarketers keep calling me (and everyone else I know or ever heard of).
Point is you can't judge an entire business model by your reaction to it.
As to the porn slappers, I assume they're paid very little (and I suspect most or all of them are illegals) and the cards they hand out don't cost much. So maybe the people behind the slappers make money if they hit one in several hundred people, or even one in thousands.
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August 10th, 2010 at 3:36:33 PM
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I don't see why they all stand 12 abreast.
To me, it's totally redundant because the 12th porn slapper I pass has no better chance of getting me to take a card than the first one. It's also intimidating to have a line of so many people thrusting cards in your face.
If I were their boss, I would make them spread out.
To me, it's totally redundant because the 12th porn slapper I pass has no better chance of getting me to take a card than the first one. It's also intimidating to have a line of so many people thrusting cards in your face.
If I were their boss, I would make them spread out.
August 10th, 2010 at 3:59:35 PM
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Quote: nyuhoosierI don't see why they all stand 12 abreast.
To me, it's totally redundant because the 12th porn slapper I pass has no better chance of getting me to take a card than the first one. It's also intimidating to have a line of so many people thrusting cards in your face.
If I were their boss, I would make them spread out.
I assume they don't all work for the same person/agency or have the same cards. perhaps they even have regulars who seek some card or ad in particular (who cares?).
At that, they're a lot less intimidating and, if you can believe it, a lot less pushy than street and market vendors in Mexico City, Jerusalem (on both sides) and a few other places I've been to. Also I've never seen them get violent, but as I tend to avoid that area I'm sure I've not seen all they're capable of.
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August 10th, 2010 at 4:08:53 PM
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Quote: RPToroI've had this discussion with a few friends. The feeling is there's no way the businesses are making money utilizing porn slappers. HOWEVER, they never seem to go away, so...
Perhaps you're not accounting for the random passing drunken frat boy or other drunken tourist who possibly had nothing on his mind until one of these was thrust into his face. (or some such scenario, as to how these things suddenly generate some income.)
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
August 10th, 2010 at 6:53:27 PM
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The very first time I visited Las Vegas, in 2003, I was one of a group of four guys working together in CA and AZ, and we spent one weekend on Las Vegas. We walked the strip several times and grew increasingly annoyed with the slappers. One member of our group was 6'5" and weighed about 380. He decided one trip that he was going to walk his path straight down the sidewalk at the pace he wanted, and if anyone chose to step out in front of him, well, it was their health they were placing at risk. It was quite amusing watching how wide a guy's eyes could get as he jumped back out of the way, clearing a path for the icon of momentum.
August 10th, 2010 at 7:32:13 PM
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Quote: Doc...He decided one trip that he was going to walk his path straight down the sidewalk at the pace he wanted...
I applaud that! The slappers are strictly forbidden to touch pedestrians, including with the cards. You'll notice they put the cards right front of you, but always pull back at the last second. Your friend's idea was great at beating them at their own game. I might try that myself, but am not nearly as imposing as your buddy.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 11th, 2010 at 12:01:43 PM
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OK, 1st amendment rights aside, what in the world are they thinking sticking a card
out in front of you as you walk the strip with your wife and/or kids ? Its rude and
unacceptable behavior.
out in front of you as you walk the strip with your wife and/or kids ? Its rude and
unacceptable behavior.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
August 11th, 2010 at 2:15:46 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQOK, 1st amendment rights aside, what in the world are they thinking sticking a card
out in front of you as you walk the strip with your wife and/or kids ? Its rude and
unacceptable behavior.
I would always find it odd that while I'm walking down the strip, hand-in-hand with my girlfriend, that they are trying to shove advertisements in my face for prostitutes. I'd have to be pretty slimy to eagerly accept such advertising with my girlfriend right there. You'd think they'd at least target the single or groups of males walking the strip.
On the other hand, how much does a prostitute/escort charge? If you have kids, it might be a cheaper way of having a babysitter for the evening.
August 11th, 2010 at 2:20:50 PM
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I guess the slappers are paid by how many cards they give away. If so, they won't look for likely subjects. They'll just try to get rid of their stash quickly.
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August 11th, 2010 at 2:41:59 PM
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This reply has nothing to do with the topic, but I do love the name "Porn slappers." I can't get the sound of someone with a distinguished southern accent (i.e. Colonel Sanders) saying the word "Porn slappers".
I honestly thought about it all day at work, laughing at the thought of that sound. Like I said. it's a totally random comment.
I honestly thought about it all day at work, laughing at the thought of that sound. Like I said. it's a totally random comment.
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August 11th, 2010 at 2:56:37 PM
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One trip to Las Vegas (with my wife, as always), I actually accepted every one of those cards that was offered to me. I took the huge stack of them back as a souvenir gift to a girl I worked with. She took them home and gave them to her twin 16 year old sons. Maybe we were all a bunch of perverts.
October 27th, 2010 at 6:37:44 PM
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Just finishedy 4 nights in Vegas and these grubs were the one thing I hated about the city. Disgusting individuals who do nothing for society. To get up in peoples faces (especially couples and families) is well past unacceptable. Several times I told them to get the f out of my face. There is a pack mentality with them too. When in a group they all get right up to you shoving their filth in your face but when you come across one by themselves they don't dare. Funny that. I'd love to see some statistics on how many of these people get assaulted by angry passersby.
October 27th, 2010 at 7:50:51 PM
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The casinos, working together could probably do much to fix the problem. If they stopped pretending that their customers don't hop from casino to casino anyway, they could probably create more private walkways between casinos in some areas. (Assuming they could get permits to go over or even under some of the smaller street areas.)
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January 21st, 2011 at 1:04:08 AM
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Oscar Goodman says he has a concealed weapon permit and might shoot a porn slapper (if his family is with him)
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So, couldn't the city sell the sidewalks (or respective footage) in the front of each casino to each casino with the stipulation (like a 100 year contract) that they don't use it for such purposes, but use it for pedestrian traffic and solve the whole problem? Or is that not allowed? Or is it something people would have to vote on?
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So, couldn't the city sell the sidewalks (or respective footage) in the front of each casino to each casino with the stipulation (like a 100 year contract) that they don't use it for such purposes, but use it for pedestrian traffic and solve the whole problem? Or is that not allowed? Or is it something people would have to vote on?
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January 21st, 2011 at 1:31:50 AM
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YouTube has lots of videos of those porn slappers ganging up on anyone who throws a punch. Thats why they all wear those colorful tee shirts.Quote: AussieI'd love to see some statistics on how many of these people get assaulted by angry passersby.
January 21st, 2011 at 3:18:33 AM
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Quote: rxwinecouldn't the city sell the sidewalks (or respective footage) in the front of each casino to each casino with the stipulation (like a 100 year contract) that they don't use it for such purposes, but use it for pedestrian traffic and solve the whole problem? Or is that not allowed? Or is it something people would have to vote on?
I think that has happened with many stretches of the Strip and Fremont Street. You'll notice you never see them in front of the Bellagio or the Venetian. The problem seems to be mostly parts not directly in front of a casino.
I've said before I think the police should target prostitution stings on those business who hire porn slappers -- and make that known. That would disincentivise it.
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January 21st, 2011 at 3:22:55 AM
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My solution: Never walk on the Strip! Haven't done it in over 20 years and got no plans...
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January 21st, 2011 at 3:57:40 AM
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Can't believe (yeah I can) that there is demand for porn slappers cards. I took one on my first visit to Vegas, not knowing what it was. Had a HOT chick on it. Oh yeah, she's showing up for $100!! Maybe her crack addicted mother is. Obviously there are people dumb enough and low enough to take them up. I enjoy walking the strip, but they are a pain.
January 21st, 2011 at 4:06:09 AM
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Quote: EvenBobMy solution: Never walk on the Strip! Haven't done it in over 20 years and got no plans...
Well, I figure there has to be some solution being missed. One possibility, instead of refusing their stuff, encourage everyone to take it, and cause massive depletion of all their stuff.
Of course it would be great if you could get that kind of participation from everyone, but that would be the main problem with it I'm sure.
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January 21st, 2011 at 6:30:34 AM
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I'm pretty sure the flat wage for giving them away is still way above what they cost to print.
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January 21st, 2011 at 6:42:41 AM
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Way above? That's an understatement.Quote: P90I'm pretty sure the flat wage for giving them away is still way above what they cost to print.
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March 21st, 2011 at 11:15:13 PM
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The way the porn slapping card game works is like this. Once a week at a convention center (don't remember which one) its a room with a whole bunch of tables. The company sets up a table with bundles of cards, the slappers walk around to each table and pick up a deck of cards, each deck has different numbers, each deck has a "master" card with just the number on it and when they come back the next week, they show the "master" card and get their cut. When someone calls and gets their services, the ladies are supposed to ask for the number on the card. And its not just the porn cards at the weekly get together, the free limo rides to the strip clubs, $5 off Brazillian Bar-B-Q, get in the club for free, etc. Pretty much anytime some one hands you any card in Vegas, it came from that weekly meeting at the convention center. They don't get an hourly wage, only if someone takes the offers up on the cards.
March 21st, 2011 at 11:22:32 PM
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Somebody must be making money from it, they're still doing it and don't seem to be going anywhere.
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March 22nd, 2011 at 1:33:19 AM
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Quote: jefferzboobooThey don't get an hourly wage, only if someone takes the offers up on the cards.
I guess that explains the aggressiveness (or obnoxiousness) of the slappers. More cards you get out, more chances someone might use one, and more you get paid.
And you don't even need a supervisor or infrastructure. Lazy mans way to riches, sounds like.
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March 22nd, 2011 at 2:16:32 AM
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Quote: rxwineLazy mans way to riches, sounds like.
The problem with the porn slappers is their all swarthy, short ugly men that look like they're living on the street. Get halfway attractive women to give the cards away and you'd increase the calls ten fold.
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March 22nd, 2011 at 4:05:00 AM
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Quote: jefferzboobooOnce a week at a convention center.
I'd sure enjoy finding out which convention center and giving them lots of publicity.
March 22nd, 2011 at 4:43:28 AM
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I doubt that it's a "Convention Center."Quote: FleaStiffI'd sure enjoy finding out which convention center and giving them lots of publicity.
More like a banquet room at the Holiday Inn - which, in the hospitality business, can be called a 'convention center.'
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