My thoughts...

So a forum member can use my screen name in thread titles…call me from spoofed numbers…and I am the one threatened with a banning. Go ahead and ban me. This forum is now catering to the lowest common denominator. I did NOTHING wrong.



Oh BABS, someone spoofed my account and hijacked my IP as well, I never posted that thread about highway cleanup (do you believe me as readily as you believe your buddy Bac79?)

I appreciated my time here, WIZARD, thank you for everything

Quote: aceofspades

So a forum member can use my screen name in thread titles…call me from spoofed numbers…and I am the one threatened with a banning. Go ahead and ban me. This forum is now catering to the lowest common denominator. I did NOTHING wrong.


I appreciated my time here:


(link deleted per AoS request)

Welcome to my world. Let's hope the winds of change pick up soon.

Quote: aceofspades

So a forum member can use my screen name in thread titles…call me from spoofed numbers…and I am the one threatened with a banning. Go ahead and ban me. This forum is now catering to the lowest common denominator. I did NOTHING wrong.


I appreciated my time here:

(link deleted per AoS request)

No one banned you. No one cares you posted that. Youre turning it into a bigger issue then it is.
You didn't post a name and it's not even a fact he works their. He could've spoofed a competitors number or something. It's to my knowledge he didn't servis ND or SD but a competitor did.

Personally I have no issues with your post in this particular case. At worst the mods should ask that you remove it.

Quote: aceofspades

So a forum member can use my screen name in thread titles…call me from spoofed numbers…and I am the one threatened with a banning. Go ahead and ban me. This forum is now catering to the lowest common denominator. I did NOTHING wrong.


I appreciated my time here:


(link deleted per AOS request)

The poster(s) who have been writing things have been banned, quite a few of the spammy posts deleted, not sure which others you're angry about (if any) but I'm willing to police them if you show me either in PM or otherwise which are problematic (entirely possible they haven't been read by one or more of us). That's what's possible to do on your behalf, and we've been doing it.

You posting his business info without his permission is wrong.

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Welcome to my world. Let's hope the winds of change pick up soon.

Don't hold your breath.

I got so pissed off by BBB describing my posts as being "seriously irresponsible" and "especially reprehensible" that I just threw my hands off the keyboard and took a hiatus of over one month in order to try and put it in perspective.

Quote: aceofspades

So a forum member can use my screen name in thread titles…call me from spoofed numbers…and I am the one threatened with a banning. Go ahead and ban me. This forum is now catering to the lowest common denominator. I did NOTHING wrong.



Oh BABS, someone spoofed my account and hijacked my IP as well, I never posted that thread about highway cleanup (do you believe me as readily as you believe your buddy Bac79?)

I appreciated my time here, WIZARD, thank you for everything



(link deleted per AoS request)

Ace,

The larger issue is that the forum is not a place that hosts attacks on people's businesses. This could be a legal problem for a lot of people. You can't just do that; you're hurting everybody.

(Responding to your edit)
When I said "make of that what you will", I was not saying I believe him or not, and I said as much to him. But he says he was spoofed, you say you were spoofed, I know I was spoofed, I think it's possible other people are being messed with. Time to stop thinking the worst of people, take a deep breath, and try to figure out what's going on.

I believe he was spoofed as much as I believe the moon is made of cheese doodles.

Quote: thecesspit

I believe he was spoofed as much as I believe the moon is made of cheese doodles.

crunchy or puffy

Like any of us believe that people actually called him. We already know that he keeps creating BS names so he is obviously monitors this site. As soon as he saw the thread he made up some more lies.

And lol at spoofing his IP. I am pretty sure it's not the easiest thing to do and anyone with capabilities would be doing things other than posting YouTube links. Besides, how would a spoofed even know the IP that was on file on this site?

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Quote: aceofspades

So a forum member can use my screen name in thread titles…call me from spoofed numbers…and I am the one threatened with a banning. Go ahead and ban me. This forum is now catering to the lowest common denominator. I did NOTHING wrong.



Oh BABS, someone spoofed my account and hijacked my IP as well, I never posted that thread about highway cleanup (do you believe me as readily as you believe your buddy Bac79?)

I appreciated my time here, WIZARD, thank you for everything




(link removed at AoS request)

Ace,

The larger issue is that the forum is not a place that hosts attacks on people's businesses. This could be a legal problem for a lot of people. You can't just do that; you're hurting everybody.

(Responding to your edit)
When I said "make of that what you will", I was not saying I believe him or not, and I said as much to him. But he says he was spoofed, you say you were spoofed, I know I was spoofed, I think it's possible other people are being messed with. Time to stop thinking the worst of people, take a deep breath, and try to figure out what's going on.

Are you saying that Baccaratform79 responded to the allegations that he was spoofing people ? Now He claims someone was making it look like he was doing the spoofing? GIVE ME A BREAK. Look at his history LIES, TRICKS, STORIES, SOCKPUPPETS,PRETENDING TO BE A HOST,ASKING PERSONAL Questions about people, Welshing, "Time to stop thinking the worst of people" Not people>> HIM<< He shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt

I can't believe someone spoofed my IP address, made a thread about a business and Bac79 works at that business——hold up, something doesn't add up - I thought Bac79 OWNS a business that does highway cleanup…does he now just "work" there? Such a small world that my IP could be spoofed just like his was…this interweb is a crazy thing - sort of like the wild west where anything can happen.

Fwiw, the contact info on that website had an email of glen@^^^^!;#;#,#.Com. is this even a real business or did he spoof the website to make it look real?

Quote: GWAE

Fwiw, the contact info on that website had an email of glen@^^^^!;#;#,#.Com. is this even a real business or did he spoof the website to make it look real?

Skynet is self-aware

Not an involved member, or really a member with any standing, but having observed the past six month events from afar:

AOS is an active participant, and while I don't endorse posting the business info, I think the board would suffer without his contributions.

Emergency clean-up guy, whatever his name is, pretty much fits the definition of congenital liar and fraud. I really can't believe that anything he says or claims is given any credence, and all involved, including moderators, would probably do best to block and ignore his email and phone number/messages. In the colloquial, dude has issues.

The story on "spoofing an IP address" is literally incredible, as in, difficult to believe.

(Coincidentally, I learned the definition of "congenital liar" back when William Safire used the term to describe Hillary Clinton. Neither here nor there, but I did learn not to toss "congenital" (like the word "literally") around lightly.)

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Not an involved member, or really a member with any standing, but having observed the past six month events from afar:

AOS is an active participant, and while I don't endorse posting the business info, I think the board would suffer without his contributions.

Emergency clean-up guy, whatever his name is, pretty much fits the definition of congenital liar and fraud. I really can't believe that anything he says or claims is given any credence, and all involved, including moderators, would probably do best to block and ignore his email and phone number/messages. In the colloquial, dude has issues.

The story on "spoofing an IP address" is literally incredible, as in, difficult to believe.

(Coincidentally, I learned the definition of "congenital liar" back when William Safire used the term to describe Hillary Clinton. Neither here nor there, but I did learn not to toss "congenital" (like the word "literally") around lightly.)

Thank you - and I state the following: Bac79 victimizes board members by not paying on bets...then creates a thousand screen name directing threads towards me…and then claims he was spoofed —how are why would someone was spoofing him know to direct things my way?

I don't know what to say. It is entirely possible that the guy is schizo and his multiple personalities are spoofing himself as well. I think it would be best to totally ignore him. I can say that from the one and only phone contact with him, I belive him to be possibly dangerous. FYI_ for the last time, I believe his favorite moderator should avoid all contact and stop feeding his delusions.

Well since I was spoofed as well - why hasn't the highway cleanup thread been deleted rather than merely closed? BABS, delete the spoofed post please

Quote: aceofspades

crunchy or puffy

Who cares... responding to the second coming of Logan is like drinking whisky to sober up.

So a non-member who's basically an idiot (we can insult non members right?) gets the benefit of the doubt.....while a member in good standing doesn't?

I don't know about IP spoofing, but I know it's possible. Wouldn't be difficult to obtain -- he coulda linked AOS to his web site (with low traffic), logged all the IPs that visited the site, then figured out which one was AOS's. Or he could a done it several other ways. As far as actually spoofing and posting with his IP, I don't know, but not far-fetched.

Don't know what the beef is.

If a post come up with my name on it as the author, the mods are going to think it's me. Me getting upset because they think it's me even if it's not would just be stupid. Unless they have some way of knowing they will think it's me should such a thing happen.

So, again, what is the beef?

The other poster BAC79 was nuked, even if he has been coming back and getting nuked again. There's been no advantage given.

What's the beef? Does Ace want to defend the person who is not him, for a post Ace says he didn't make. Also doesn't make sense.

On the other hand, spoofing of members on the board, if it happens, probably needs to be addressed.

Someone makes a post they want to disown, just claim spoofing. That needs to be addressed, since in the next post, I could say, I didn't make this post.

I don't know what the solution is, other than what Timspeed did when he said his account was hacked. He had it permanently disabled (which looks just like a nuke).

What a barrel of monkeys this is

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So a non-member who's basically an idiot (we can insult non members right?) gets the benefit of the doubt.....while a member in good standing doesn't?

Pretty much. +1 (idiot deluxe is better)

I find it amazing that it takes weeks for spillman to figure out he is being spoofed--but he amazingly found out when someone got tired of the crap and posted a form of retribution (right or wrong) and then he supposedly got all kinds of calls disrupting his business.

Funny stuff. He's not being spoofed, his number was not published here, I doubt that there were many(if any) calls (was proof provided?), and he is consistently trying to disrupt a board. Others have pointed it out--he has done this on more than one board in the past. Somehow he gets the benefit of the doubt that others don't get.

Why is there so little doubt of him when he has told a whole bunch of tall tales here without providing any facts?

I understand closing down the other thread as being a negative thing for the board...I just don't understand why AoS was chastised so publicly and threatened with suspension when he is obviously under a personal attack.

Even if his IP was spoofed how did he get AOS's password ? It doesn't auto log you in when you use a new device. Perhaps AOS shouldn't be using speedcount for his PW.

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Even if his IP was spoofed how did he get AOS's password ? It doesn't auto log you in when you use a new device. Perhaps AOS shouldn't be using speedcount for his PW.

I am pretty sure AOS was not spoofed at all. I think he is making it a point that if this idiot b79 claims spoofing and it is believed then they should believe him when he says it.

Quote: GWAE

I am pretty sure AOS was not spoofed at all. I think he is making it a point that if this idiot b79 claims spoofing and it is believed then they should believe him when he says it.

+1

Quote: GWAE

I am pretty sure AOS was not spoofed at all. I think he is making it a point that if this idiot b79 claims spoofing and it is believed then they should believe him when he says it.

The hazmat dude should clean up his spill.

That is the answer he should have gotten unless PROOF was provided of anything happening based on the link. Even then, most of the conversation should have taken place off the board, in my opinion. Moderator takes call from person. Moderator gets the the other side of the story from AoS. Moderator locks and deletes "offending thread" and perhaps posts a general warning.

Problem solved and the legitimate member is given the benefit of the doubt.

Quote: RonC

The hazmat dude should clean up his spill.

That is the answer he should have gotten unless PROOF was provided of anything happening based on the link. Even then, most of the conversation should have taken place off the board, in my opinion. Moderator takes call from person. Moderator gets the the other side of the story from AoS. Moderator locks and deletes "offending thread" and perhaps posts a general warning.

Problem solved and the legitimate member is given the benefit of the doubt.

If the mods fail to act when one member abuses another (bac79 continually using my screen name in thread titles ), then the people shall rise up

Quote: aceofspades

If the mods fail to act when one member abuses another (bac79 continually using my screen name in thread titles ), then the people shall rise up

I've a response for you but am in training atm. I'll get back to you sometime this evening EDST

Holy moly there's so much drama on this forum lately.. Ace don't let it get under your skin.. you only make it worse since he probably feeds off your anger. Take a day or two and just relax and forget about all this drama. He'll leave when he realizes no one cares anymore.

I find the closing of threads to be a very disturbing trend. This last case particularly so given that ace had no opportunity to respond. Closing a thread, in my opinion, is akin to two people arguing or having a discussion when one of them throws up their hands and says they don't want to hear it. Imagine two debating teams. The first team presents it's points and the moderator suddenly says he doesn't want to hear it when it's the other team's turn.

Ace was accused of a juvenile line of attack. He was threatened with suspension and admonished for "messing with someone's money". He was then told "I'm really disappointed in you". No word on whether he was sent to bed without supper. Is this how our best members can expect to be treated? If so, maybe it's time to make some changes. In my opinion none of this holds water.

Aceofspades is one member who truly does add value to this forum. He is a member of the highest standing and his posts are looked forward to and enjoyed by all. He has been mercilessly stalked and harassed by this "friend". We are now left to ponder if spoofing has occurred and that the "friend" is not responsible. The "friend" who posts from the same part of the country and has the same exact writing style. Who has done this mysterious spoofing? Was it the CIA? The NSA? How about NCIS? Did Hetty tell Mr Beale and Ms Jones to spoof or hack members of WOV?

Ace posted a harmless link that was public information about a banned member who has no rights here. He did it to let his stalker know that people are on to him and that the game is over. He did not mess with anyone's money and certainly didn't do anything to anyone's wife and children, nor did he ever intend to. Even the hint of that is preposterous.

Why all the concern for a pathological liar who is threatening one of our own? A few members made good faith plans with this guy and were looking forward to a good time in Vegas. Meanwhile, he never had any intention of showing up. After not showing, most normal people would slink away as quickly as possible. Not our guy. He goes on the offensive. I get it. "He's a friend". Some may still think he has "value". I think he has problems.

Ace did nothing wrong. Nothing! Why is that so difficult for some to understand? He posted public information about a company that our guy doesn't even own. This company is all over the web with the owner's real name. How does that even remotely harm our poor little guy?

Ace, I'm so sorry that you have had to endure this.

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I find the closing of threads to be a very disturbing trend. This last case particularly so given that ace had no opportunity to respond. Closing a thread, in my opinion, is akin to two people arguing or having a discussion when one of them throws up their hands and says they don't want to hear it. Imagine two debating teams. The first team presents it's points and the moderator suddenly says he doesn't want to hear it when it's the other team's turn.

Ace was accused of a juvenile line of attack. He was threatened with suspension and admonished for "messing with someone's money". He was then told "I'm really disappointed in you". No word on whether he was sent to bed without supper. Is this how our best members can expect to be treated. If so, maybe it's time to make some changes. In my opinion none of this holds water.

Aceofspades is one member who truly does add value to this forum. He is a member of the highest standing and his posts are looked forward to and enjoyed by all. He has been mercilessly stalked and harassed by this "friend". We are now left to ponder if spoofing has occurred and that the "friend" is not responsible. The "friend" who posts from the same part of the country and has the same exact writing style. Who has done this mysterious spoofing? Was it the CIA? The NSA? How about NCIS? Did Hetty tell Mr Beale and Ms Jones to spoof or hack members of WOV?

Ace posted a harmless link that was public information about a banned member who has no rights here. He did it to let his stalker know that people are on to him and that the game is over. He did not mess with anyone's money and certainly didn't do anything to anyone's wife and children, nor did he ever intend to. Even the hint of that is preposterous.

Why all the concern for a pathological liar who is threatening one of our own? A few members made good faith plans with this guy and were looking forward to a good time in Vegas. Meanwhile, he never had any intention of showing up. After not showing, most normal people would slink away as quickly as possible. Not our guy. He goes on the offensive. I get it. "He's a friend". Some may still think he has "value". I think he has problems.

Ace did nothing wrong. Nothing! Why is that so difficult for some to understand? He posted public information about a company that our guy doesn't even own. This company is all over the web with the owner's real name. How does that even remotely harm our poor little guy?

Ace, I'm so sorry that you have had to endure this.

It's posts like this that make me rethink leaving. I enjoy the fellowship on this board among the members. it is uplifting that members can circle the wagons when one of their own is under attack. It is, however, disheartening, that a moderator chose to admonish me and basically cut me off at the knees when trying to subtly defend myself - that is what I still cannot fathom. Hiding behind the threat of legal action...yet he can defame attorneys continually knowing I am an attorney???
Defaming attorneys, ultimately, can mess with my money -- did we forget that?

Makes zero sense all this drama I say there is zero chance ace got spoofed and then posted something personal about bac it's just seems so improbable and boy oh boy so much drama but then again ace plays blackjack and loses 30 in a row so maybe the odds just go with him

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Makes zero sense all this drama I say there is zero chance ace got spoofed and then posted something personal about bac it's just seems so improbable and boy oh boy so much drama but then again ace plays blackjack and loses 30 in a row so maybe the odds just go with him

I did not get spoofed - it was merely me stating such to show how one member (who has made multiple ID's and welched on bets) can be given the benefit of the doubt over a supposed member in good standing

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Makes zero sense all this drama I say there is zero chance ace got spoofed and then posted something personal about bac it's just seems so improbable and boy oh boy so much drama but then again ace plays blackjack and loses 30 in a row so maybe the odds just go with him

I think you totally missed the tongue-in-cheek nature of Ace saying he was spoofed...B79 claimed he was spoofed and his claim was supported and Ace was given a tongue lashing. No one was spoofed. No one did anything that will really hurt someone's business, though a better claim could be made by Ace for that possibility because we all know what Ace does and a good bit more about him. The other guy? He cleans up spills. Takes a big roll of Bounty and fixes things up. If something gets spilled, you have to get the Bounty. There are only so many guys trained to use Bounty. There are many divorce lawyers.

Who was potentially harmed here?

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I think you totally missed the tongue-in-cheek nature of Ace saying he was spoofed...B79 claimed he was spoofed and his claim was supported and Ace was given a tongue lashing. No one was spoofed. No one did anything that will really hurt someone's business, though a better claim could be made by Ace for that possibility because we all know what Ace does and a good bit more about him. The other guy? He cleans up spills. Takes a big roll of Bounty and fixes things up. If something gets spilled, you have to get the Bounty. There are so many guys trained to use Bounty. There are many divorce lawyers.

Who was potentially harmed here?

Thanks Ron — it makes no sense that Bac79's word was taken above mine — I have never made duplicate accounts, made threads about other forum members naming them in the title of the thread…if Bac79 was "spoofed", how would the "spoofer" know to take aim at me? This seems a serious breach of WoV security, spoof or no spoof.

Quote: Face

I've a response for you but am in training atm. I'll get back to you sometime this evening EDST

Cool - eagerly await your words.

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Thanks Ron — it makes no sense that Bac79's word was taken above mine — I have never made duplicate accounts, made threads about other forum members naming them in the title of the thread…if Bac79 was "spoofed", how would the "spoofer" know to take aim at me? This seems a serious breach of WoV security, spoof or no spoof.

Everybody knows to attack people who use the Speed Count!!

OK, I'm back. Here goes...

I do agree with Babs that we shouldn't post personal info or identifying features. Partly because we're better than that. Partly because it's unbecoming. Additionally, while I don't know what sort of actions it could result in or what threat it would place on this forum, its members, or its ownership, the fact that it could means we should completely avoid it at all times. And finally, this clown doesn't own jack s#$%. If someone were to act, whether being a goof and utilizing a glitter bomb service or doing something a bit more vengeful, you'd be doing it to an innocent business owner without a dog in this fight. So whichever way you slice it, it's wrong and to be avoided.

Now, as for action (or the perceived lack thereof), I have personally been working on this for well over a month. 7 weeks? 8? I dunno, it's been awhile. There's a certain "weirdness threshold" he tripped, so I started working behind the scenes. I did nothing public for many reasons. Firstly was needing the info he submitted every time he posted, whether intentionally or not. To be blunt, I didn't want him to stop. I did weigh that against "damage" being done, and it didn't seem to be an issue. You, Ace, are not a delicate flower that needs swift and decisive action to protect, nor are many of the lookers on. I know you and every one else including me gets annoyed, but it's nothing in the big picture. I did suspend multiple accounts. I flagged and removed yards of his nonsense, and I know other Greens did, too.

I also kept quiet because there are many here who are a bit paranoid. That's not an insult; I would be paranoid too if my livelihood depended on my autonomy. But the fact I was doing "something" wasn't something I wanted to bring up at that time and then have to (possibly) quell fears on top of doing this. So I kept quiet.

So, Ace, as it stands, I cannot promise he won't come back and post more garbage. I also wouldn't expect anyone to take actions to see that it is prevented. After all, any programming work costs money, and it's asking the owners to spend money for a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I will say that if something happened of a serious nature, I have been working to make sure you are protected on that front. If he starts sending you severed body parts or threatening your safety or things of a criminal nature, I could have 5-0 at his front door within the hour.

It's the internet, man. Treat 12yr olds here the way you do in real life. Shake your head and chive on.

Sorry you felt abandoned. Hope you understand.

Quote: RonC

Everybody knows to attack people who use the Speed Count!!

I literally laughed out loud. If I had been drinking a beverage, I would've done a spit-take Danny Thomas would've been proud of!

Quote: Face

OK, I'm back. Here goes...

I do agree with Babs that we shouldn't post personal info or identifying features. Partly because we're better than that. Partly because it's unbecoming. Additionally, while I don't know what sort of actions it could result in or what threat it would place on this forum, its members, or its ownership, the fact that it could means we should completely avoid it at all times. And finally, this clown doesn't own jack s#$%. If someone were to act, whether being a goof and utilizing a glitter bomb service or doing something a bit more vengeful, you'd be doing it to an innocent business owner without a dog in this fight. So whichever way you slice it, it's wrong and to be avoided.

Now, as for action (or the perceived lack thereof), I have personally been working on this for well over a month. 7 weeks? 8? I dunno, it's been awhile. There's a certain "weirdness threshold" he tripped, so I started working behind the scenes. I did nothing public for many reasons. Firstly was needing the info he submitted every time he posted, whether intentionally or not. To be blunt, I didn't want him to stop. I did weigh that against "damage" being done, and it didn't seem to be an issue. You, Ace, are not a delicate flower that needs swift and decisive action to protect, nor are many of the lookers on. I know you and every one else including me gets annoyed, but it's nothing in the big picture. I did suspend multiple accounts. I flagged and removed yards of his nonsense, and I know other Greens did, too.

I also kept quiet because there are many here who are a bit paranoid. That's not an insult; I would be paranoid too if my livelihood depended on my autonomy. But the fact I was doing "something" wasn't something I wanted to bring up at that time and then have to (possibly) quell fears on top of doing this. So I kept quiet.

So, Ace, as it stands, I cannot promise he won't come back and post more garbage. I also wouldn't expect anyone to take actions to see that it is prevented. After all, any programming work costs money, and it's asking the owners to spend money for a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I will say that if something happened of a serious nature, I have been working to make sure you are protected on that front. If he starts sending you severed body parts or threatening your safety or things of a criminal nature, I could have 5-0 at his front door within the hour.

It's the internet, man. Treat 12yr olds here the way you do in real life. Shake your head and chive on.

Sorry you felt abandoned. Hope you understand.

Thank you--truly appreciate your hard work.

However, this incident makes me think twice about posting "live trip reports" as it gives away my location

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Thank you--truly appreciate your hard work.

However, this incident makes me think twice about posting "live trip reports" as it gives away my location

You're welcome, of course.

That's a personal decision you have to make. Perhaps this incident will be beneficial in the long run, if it gives you something to think about. Not to stomp on everyone's fun, because many do enjoy the reports including me, but their very nature does open up a lot of vulnerability. Everything from knowing where you are, what you're doing, how much cash is on you, what mental state you're in, the fact that your home / car / dog are unattended... there's a ton of very personal information being put out that would be a godsend to someone who wished to take advantage.

For some, the risk is worth the reward of the camaraderie and entertainment and attention. That's their personal choice. But you should at least be aware of the potential so you can make an informed decision.

Quote: Face

You're welcome, of course.

That's a personal decision you have to make. Perhaps this incident will be beneficial in the long run, if it gives you something to think about. Not to stomp on everyone's fun, because many do enjoy the reports including me, but their very nature does open up a lot of vulnerability. Everything from knowing where you are, what you're doing, how much cash is on you, what mental state you're in, the fact that your home / car / dog are unattended... there's a ton of very personal information being put out that would be a godsend to someone who wished to take advantage.

For some, the risk is worth the reward of the camaraderie and entertainment and attention. That's their personal choice. But you should at least be aware of the potential so you can make an informed decision.

It saddens me

Quote: Face

....there's a ton of very personal information being put out that would be a godsend to someone who wished to take advantage...

I hope the people on Alan's forum read this and understand why many of us do not put up personal information nor use our real names online. Nothing good can come out of it as we've seen.

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Holy moly there's so much drama on this forum lately.. Ace don't let it get under your skin.. you only make it worse since he probably feeds off your anger. Take a day or two and just relax and forget about all this drama. He'll leave when he realizes no one cares anymore.

A good stalker never gives up until they get what they want.

It's not 100% clear what monkey boy wants.

A) Be him/her B) kill him/her C) Be with him/her
He wants to______AOS A B OR C
He wants to______BBB B or C

He wants to______Axel B is clear

Bucket,lotion,skin,hose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOvS7X9_2Q

Quote: AxelWolf

A good stalker never gives up until they get what they want.

It's not 100% clear what monkey boy wants.

A) Be him/her B) kill him/her C) Be with him/her
He wants to______AOS A B OR C
He wants to______BBB B or C

He wants to______Axel B is clear

Bucket,lotion,skin,hose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOvS7X9_2Q

...a little Joe Dirt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAMQGIx3JKk