E-ZPass = speeding ticket
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May 18th, 2015 at 1:05:48 PM
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I had this random thought while speeding down the boring Ohio Turnpike. To save money on tolls, about 30%, I use the E-ZPass. But what would you do if they could give you a speeding ticket, by using the E-ZPass data to calculate your average speed between your entrance and exit. Would you stop using the E-ZPass, stop speeding(or at least take a break so your average speed is the speed limit) or accept the ticket. While I doubt very few people would accept the ticket, it is more of a toss up between saving money and slowing down. Personally, I think more often than not I would stop using the E-ZPass.
May 18th, 2015 at 1:13:58 PM
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States have clearly said they will not use EZPass for this purpose. Until they do, I will continue to use it. If it ever happens, naturally I am done using it.
May 18th, 2015 at 1:21:50 PM
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If they ever do start to do this, it would be less of a problem than you might think.
Similar to Red Light cameras, they can't pin it on a specific driver, so it would be a fine without points.
Similar to Red Light cameras, they can't pin it on a specific driver, so it would be a fine without points.
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May 18th, 2015 at 1:25:52 PM
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Also, states might not use the data because they can't rely on accurate time-stamps on each end. And an accurate duration is essential to calculating the speed.
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May 18th, 2015 at 1:34:22 PM
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I have a feeling that the minute somebody discovered that this was being done, you would end up with a situation similar to what they do in California - as a "backup system", everybody that goes through an E-ZPass (FasTrak, it's called here) booth has a picture of their car's license plate taken, so if the machine didn't catch the transponder signal (usually because the transponder's battery is dead), the toll would be charged to the transponder assigned to that license plate number; in this case, pretty much everybody would remove their transponders and depend on the license plate system.
May 18th, 2015 at 1:42:02 PM
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Quote: zoobrewBut what would you do if they could give you a speeding ticket, by using the E-ZPass data to calculate your average speed between your entrance and exit.
I had a similar thought some time ago.
But it was more in the light of questioning the system based on Selective Enforcement. The Definition of Speed is Distance/Time. So on most turnpikes, it is simple to calculate because there is a time stamp for when you get your ticket at the first booth (or there could be), and they know when you get off the turnpike, and they know the distance between the 2 gate booths. ( So it doesn't matter if you use EZPASS or not, right ?).
So why do they give some people tickets BUT IGNORE the majority of people, even when it can be proven "mathematically" that the vehicle was speeding ? I'm not saying they should do this, but isn't the whole thing hypocritical ?
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May 18th, 2015 at 1:54:11 PM
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I don't know about using it at individual toll booths, but Indiana used to (Not sure if they still do) use the time in time out on your ticket to give out speeding tickets. Say it's 150 miles to cross the state and you picked up your ticket at 12 noon and made it across the state at 1:45. I know they used to give out tickets for your average speed in that instance which would be 85 MPH.
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May 18th, 2015 at 3:24:49 PM
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I would use a combination of EZ Pass and manual pay depending on if i was speeding or if i had made stops so as to make my time look like i wasn't speeding.
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May 18th, 2015 at 4:00:44 PM
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I can confirm they read your speed while passing through the EZPass checkpoint. I never received a ticket or a threat of ticket, but I did receive a threat to revoke my EZPrivileges
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May 18th, 2015 at 5:07:22 PM
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Quote: FaceI can confirm they read your speed while passing through the EZPass checkpoint. I never received a ticket or a threat of ticket, but I did receive a threat to revoke my EZPrivileges
Can you provide details?
May 18th, 2015 at 5:29:17 PM
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Quote: BozCan you provide details?
Sure. The tolls I use are posted for 20mph. Knowing that some states have them on the open highway, I wondered how fast you could go and still have it be read. So every day, I increased my speed a few mph.
I think they sent the first warning once I exceeded 40mph. But since I did it every day, they sent an additional 1 or 2 before I received the first one. So I ended up getting 2 or 3 warnings in a week for excessive speed (max ~45mph). I stopped the experiment after that.
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May 18th, 2015 at 5:34:07 PM
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They wouldn't need ez pass to give a ticket if this ever happened. You get a ticket when you enter the turnpike which has a time on it. You give the ticket at the other end. The computer could calculate your speeding ticket easily.
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May 20th, 2015 at 4:20:32 AM
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Quote: GWAEThey wouldn't need ez pass to give a ticket if this ever happened. You get a ticket when you enter the turnpike which has a time on it. You give the ticket at the other end. The computer could calculate your speeding ticket easily.
I would have a field day with that in court.
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May 20th, 2015 at 5:33:00 AM
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Quote: FaceSure. The tolls I use are posted for 20mph. Knowing that some states have them on the open highway, I wondered how fast you could go and still have it be read. So every day, I increased my speed a few mph.
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May 20th, 2015 at 1:00:11 PM
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All through college we would drive the PA turnpike to Ohio and then on to Michigan. I always thought that Pennsylvania could raise a lot more turnpike revenue if they dropped the speed limit signs and just charged you based on speed (based on time on the toll booth ticket. I'd gladly pay twice the regular fee to be able to go 85 or 90. Of course they could limit the ridiculous by having the fee be $500 if you're over 100mph or something.
May 20th, 2015 at 2:00:15 PM
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Quote: Tanko
I prefer the Lingenfelter works. Anyone can go zoom on giggle gas. Hell, my Silverado will go 200 with a big enough shot.
I suspect it could be beaten. I'm sure the camera has no speed limit, but registering the info has to take a bit of time. Line 10 of them up nose to tail and bump draft through the line at 200. Bet it doesn't nab all 10.
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May 20th, 2015 at 3:25:13 PM
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Rumor has it the Will Rogers Turnpike in OK does this, but I cannot confirm.
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May 20th, 2015 at 4:00:34 PM
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Quote: GWAEThey wouldn't need ez pass to give a ticket if this ever happened. You get a ticket when you enter the turnpike which has a time on it. You give the ticket at the other end. The computer could calculate your speeding ticket easily.
Quote: 1BBI would have a field day with that in court.
How exactly ? The definition of speed is distance divided by time. They know the distance and they know the time. Next case, please. If you were WAY over the speed limit, I think a good tactic would be to have "lost" the turnpike ticket that you got at the first booth. I was just saying that I don't like the SELECTIVE, hypocritical nature of who gets ticketed. You're speeding or you're not.
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May 20th, 2015 at 4:18:13 PM
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Calibration of the equipment, required speed survey. These are just a couple of things that most don't know about. Procedures are very strict and must be followed to the letter by law enforcement. Many times they are not. If they were but the officer can't document it, it's immediate grounds for dismissal. In other words, I'm speaking of technicalities which have nothing to do with guilt or innocence. I've successfully represented myself several times. Who knew I liked to argue? :-)
Ethics? I'm comfortable with it, in fact my easiest wins came when the cop got caught in his own lies. Nothing is hopeless. They never have you "dead to rights".
Ethics? I'm comfortable with it, in fact my easiest wins came when the cop got caught in his own lies. Nothing is hopeless. They never have you "dead to rights".
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