RonC
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April 12th, 2015 at 4:51:19 AM permalink
1BB, it appears that BBB did not say anything about the things that were said about answering for stories that B79 started here:

--MGM Fire
--Crew member who died
--the Monkey

Those were already under discussion before the suspension. The suspension happened and a couple of members basically said that B79 had admitted to committing fraud. Fraud is a criminal act. My opinion was that accusing someone of a crime when the specific elements of the crime are missing is wrong. More so since their was no way for B79 to say anything back.

She also stated that it was "irresponsible" and "reprehensible" of them to do that, not that they were either of those things themselves. She simply opined that their writing was trashy and not appropriate. Her language is strong; their putting crime accusations into the mix is equally so.

Ethics were mentioned and could be a legitimate discussion point. I could see that happening even with a suspended member because there is no cloak of silence around them but accusing someone of a crime goes beyond that point. I believe that is what BBB is pointing out--hey, it went to far.
RonC
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April 12th, 2015 at 4:54:11 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I think it's normal and expected for conversations to continue during suspensions. If we all wait for the suspension to end before we resume the conversation, it defeats the purpose of the suspension. Plus...you know...it's not our fault that someone broke the rules and got sent to time-out...



Conversations, yes. Making allegations of a crime? Probably should be a no go whether or not a member suspended or banned. The basis of an allegation like that should be backed with the knowledge that the elements of the crime exist. Then maybe it could be discussed.
teliot
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April 12th, 2015 at 5:41:23 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I disagree that the person suspended was the one being bashed. In my opinion, teliot, referred to in that long post as Eliot, was the one being bashed.

Yes, the entire post was a very long diatribe against me. That's okay, I live in California, the land of fruits and nuts, so I can take it.
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April 12th, 2015 at 5:46:04 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Yes, the entire post was a very long diatribe against me. That's okay, I live in California, the land of fruits and nuts, so I can take it.


Good for you.
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RonC
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April 12th, 2015 at 5:51:09 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I disagree that the person suspended was the one being bashed. In my opinion, teliot, referred to in that long post as Eliot, was the one being bashed.



Quote: teliot

Yes, the entire post was a very long diatribe against me. That's okay, I live in California, the land of fruits and nuts, so I can take it.



Nice try at deflection--BBB was clearly talking about the "fraud" comments, not the point of the original comment. If you think the first comment violated the rules, bring it up.
teliot
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April 12th, 2015 at 6:05:54 AM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

Good for you.

Just to be clear, I am referring to myself as a "fruit or nut" here, by virtue of living in California, not any other board member. Otherwise, the words "fruit" and "nut" might be construed as directed towards those who say things against me, which is not what I intended. People who want to give me an earful deserve the opportunity to make a cogent argument.
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April 12th, 2015 at 6:14:36 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Otherwise, the words "fruit" and "nut" might be construed as directed towards those who say things against me, which is not what I intended. People who want to give me an earful deserve the opportunity to make a cogent argument.


Best for you.
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1BB
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April 12th, 2015 at 6:31:27 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

1BB, it appears that BBB did not say anything about the things that were said about answering for stories that B79 started here:

--MGM Fire
--Crew member who died
--the Monkey

Those were already under discussion before the suspension. The suspension happened and a couple of members basically said that B79 had admitted to committing fraud. Fraud is a criminal act. My opinion was that accusing someone of a crime when the specific elements of the crime are missing is wrong. More so since their was no way for B79 to say anything back.

She also stated that it was "irresponsible" and "reprehensible" of them to do that, not that they were either of those things themselves. She simply opined that their writing was trashy and not appropriate. Her language is strong; their putting crime accusations into the mix is equally so.

Ethics were mentioned and could be a legitimate discussion point. I could see that happening even with a suspended member because there is no cloak of silence around them but accusing someone of a crime goes beyond that point. I believe that is what BBB is pointing out--hey, it went to far.



I don't see anything that could be construed as an accusation but I'm not a legal expert. My point is, if a rule was broken drop the hammer. It's solved so much in the past. If no rules were broken, don't tell people to stop.

I still have questions about the MGM fire and the crew member who died, all four actually. Is it still four? I've chosen not to discuss them during Baccaratfrom79's suspension for the very reason that he can't respond.

Are administrators always on duty? Are all their actions always considered to be "official" or are there times when they are acting as just regular forum members?
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RonC
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April 12th, 2015 at 7:12:12 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I don't see anything that could be construed as an accusation but I'm not a legal expert. My point is, if a rule was broken drop the hammer. It's solved so much in the past. If no rules were broken, don't tell people to stop.



Quote: rdw4potus

This board has a rule against illegal behavior. Does bragging about fraud violate that rule?



That looks like an accusation to me.

Quote: 1BB

I still have questions about the MGM fire and the crew member who died, all four actually. Is it still four? I've chosen not to discuss them during Baccaratfrom79's suspension for the very reason that he can't respond.



No one really said that we shouldn't discuss that. but you aren't going to get any answers from B79 while he is on vacation. You may never get any answers; all of that remains to be seen.

Quote: 1BB

Are administrators always on duty? Are all their actions always considered to be "official" or are there times when they are acting as just regular forum members?



I don't know the answer. The weight of being a greenie pretty much means to me that they should consider anything they say in criticism of a member (not a member's position on an issue) as official.
1BB
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April 12th, 2015 at 7:54:30 AM permalink
What's really nice is that you have opinions, I have opinions and we're able to discuss them respectfully without anyone getting hysterical. I'd say the forum is working just fine.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi

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