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You should never loan money to any gambler. Something small like $20 to eat you don't expect back max would be ok.Quote: djatcOne great thing about this thread and the story is there is one less person I'd lend money to or take bets from.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou should never loan money to any gambler. Something small like $20 to eat you don't expect back max would be ok.
I have lent and borrowed several thousand dollars to/from friends who I trust, including gamblers. Never a single issue getting paid exactly at the agreed-upon time. They key is, only to people who I trust. I don't trust just anyone.
I guess if you don't know who to trust and who not to trust then this is good advice.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou are the one who is lying and cheating to get extra money, not him.
Every single thing that you are saying about him is true about you. However, it doesn't appear to be true of him. If we take everything that you have said at face value, he has done absolutely nothing wrong and you have stolen from him. He is a better man than you.
I don't even know where to begin with this one.
Ok, as I've said before if someone is lying and trying to cheat me out of money....I AM GOING TO TRY TO CRUSH HIM. It is not dollar for dollar. You might call it stealing and technically that's true. But I would never start it. I'm not that kind of person.
You don't know this person. You can't make a fair judgement of his character based upon your opinion of my character. Before you post, I ask that you do some critical thinking. I mean the person I'm describing does not even post on this site!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI have lent and borrowed several thousand dollars to/from friends who I trust, including gamblers. Never a single issue getting paid exactly at the agreed-upon time. They key is, only to people who I trust. I don't trust just anyone.
I guess if you don't know who to trust and who not to trust then this is good advice.
You're one of the lucky people. I could count on two fingers the people in a casino whom I trust to pay me back, and those people don't even ask.
Quote: Lemieux66I don't even know where to begin with this one.
Ok, as I've said before if someone is lying and trying to cheat me out of money....I AM GOING TO TRY TO CRUSH HIM. It is not dollar for dollar. You might call it stealing and technically that's true. But I would never start it. I'm not that kind of person.
You don't know this person. You can't make a fair judgement of his character based upon your opinion of my character. Before you post, I ask that you do some critical thinking. I mean the person I'm describing does not even post on this site!
So, your argument is basically "waaah, he started it!".
That didn't work in 2nd grade and it's not going to work now. Grow up, be a man, and pay your debts. Even if you have no respect for this guy, at least have some respect for yourself. This is sad.
Quote: Lemieux66You're one of the lucky people. I could count on two fingers the people in a casino whom I trust to pay me back, and those people don't even ask.
I have friends who I would trust with 6 figures (which I can't afford to lose). Again, these are specific people -- not just anyone.
Quote: thecesspitCrush him.... by not paying the four k he can't collect on... wow, such crushing!
He's out 4400. Pretty crushing to me.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSo, your argument is basically "waaah, he started it!".
That didn't work in 2nd grade and it's not going to work now. Grow up, be a man, and pay your debts. Even if you have no respect for this guy, at least have some respect for yourself. This is sad.
I see your stance as "OK sir, you lied and stole from me. That's fine. I don't care. Here's the money I owe you. Continue having sex with my wife."
Quote: Lemieux66I see your stance as "OK sir, you lied and stole from me. That's fine. I don't care. Here's the money I owe you. Continue having sex with my wife."
Well, certainly, if someone stole from me or otherwise owed me money, I would deduct it from anything that I owed them.
I would not use them lying to me as an excuse to not pay money that I owe, because I have some self-respect.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWell, certainly, if someone stole from me or otherwise owed me money, I would deduct it from anything that I owed them.
I would not use them lying to me as an excuse to not pay money that I owe, because I have some self-respect.
So you'll do it dollar for dollar? Why are you free rolling him? If he gets away with it, he wins. If you get him back, he breaks even. It gives terrible people motivation to try to steal from you.
Quote: Lemieux66So you'll do it dollar for dollar? Why are you free rolling him? If he gets away with it, he wins. If you get him back, he breaks even. It gives terrible people motivation to try to steal from you.
Well, if he actually stole from me, I would give him the money I owed him (minus the amount he owed me) and I would also report the theft to the police. Not exactly a freeroll for him.
But there was no theft here. You're just whining because he gave other people a better deal that he gave you. That's not theft.
Proof please.Quote: AxiomOfChoicebecause I have some self-respect.
Quote: AxelWolfProof please.
Interesting problem! How does one prove that they have self-respect?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWell, if he actually stole from me, I would give him the money I owed him (minus the amount he owed me) and I would also report the theft to the police. Not exactly a freeroll for him.
But there was no theft here. You're just whining because he gave other people a better deal that he gave you. That's not theft.
Could be your word vs his. If you don't have the necessary proof, he wins.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceInteresting problem! How does one prove that they have self-respect?
By not letting other people step on them is one way.
Someone, I think it was "your friend" aka the guy that has 2 numbers off from your IP, living in your bathroom, apparently using the same computer. Said, an eye for and eye a tooth for a tooth. Not $4400 for $500 even if you added a scumbag tax it wouldn't be 3900 gain. If this was not illegal activity all around, you would lose in a court of law.Quote: Lemieux66
Makes a poll.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceInteresting problem! How does one prove that they have self-respect?
Quote: AxelWolfSomeone, I think it was "your friend" aka the guy that has 2 numbers off from your IP, living in your bathroom, apparently using the same computer. Said, an eye for and eye a tooth for a tooth. Not $4400 for $500 even if you added a scumbag tax it wouldn't be 3900 gain. If this was not illegal activity all around, you would lose in a court of law.
He lives a good distance away.
I don't know how many times I can say it before it breaks through. If someone steals, or tries to steal, from me I want EVERY DOLLAR THEY HAVE. If this was a million dollar debt that totally crushed his life, I wouldn't give him back one cent.
Now before you talk about "oh he didn't steal from you" please note that he said there would be kickbacks. It was information I was reminded of.
Lem66 =FAIL
The Ip has determined he lives in your bathroom and uses your devices. Perhaps he is hiding in your closet you should go check inside, you should lock that closet door after you both come out.Quote: Lemieux66He lives a good distance away.
I don't know how many times I can say it before it breaks through. If someone steals, or tries to steal, from me I want EVERY DOLLAR THEY HAVE. If this was a million dollar debt that totally crushed his life, I wouldn't give him back one cent.
Now before you talk about "oh he didn't steal from you" please note that he said there would be kickbacks. It was information I was reminded of.
Quote: AxelWolfThe Ip has determined he lives in your bathroom and uses your devices. Perhaps he is hiding in your closet you should go check inside, you should lock that closet door after you both come out.
Axel is a scholar and a gentleman.
Quote: Lemieux66Putting you on block.
Isn't this grounds for suspension? (telling someone you're blocking them)
I think Putting you on block is street talk for Xmas list in this case.Quote: Lemieux66Putting you on block.
Quote: AxelWolfI think Putting you on block is street talk for Xmas list in this case.[/
He's getting a block of cheese under the Christmas tree this year.10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
Lemieux66 I think you are a OK guy seriously. I think you are just misguided and emotional about this. The guy may be everything you say, we are not in the situation we cant understand how exactly how you feel. However you are acting crazy and it seems logic wont convince you to back down so perhaps crazy will.Quote: Lemieux66Axel is a scholar and a gentleman.
Quote: AxelWolfLemieux66 I think you are a OK guy seriously. I think you are just misguided and emotional about this. The guy may be everything you say, we are not in the situation we cant understand how exactly how you feel. However you are acting crazy and it seems logic wont convince you to back down so perhaps crazy will.
I don't think either will. I did detail the 3 very specific things that could happen for me to pay him back half though.
Quote: Lemieux66I don't think either will. I did detail the 3 very specific things that could happen for me to pay him back half though.
We know who you are. No amount of explaining
will change our opinion. Oh well..
Quote: EvenBobWe know who you are. No amount of explaining
will change our opinion. Oh well..
Who know who you are? You've never met me! Spare me the nonsense.
You are lucky Mission was not reading this thread.Quote: Lemieux66FINE it's not on block.
Quote: AxelWolfYou are lucky Mission was not reading this thread.
Even though I started the thread to let 66 know that practically everyone thought he was wrong, I will also say that Mission may be the one who is lucky he is not reading this thread!!
Hundreds of posts telling someone they are wrong and should pay the debt in two threads along with hundreds of posts telling us why some imaginary code allows him to not pay for bets that he made. It is so simple, yet so hard for him to get it...pay the man! If you would have paid the bookie directly for the bet, then you should pay the guy that carried the bet to the bookie.
which thread is more nonsensical, these or Varmenti's?
Quote: Lemieux66One guy made a new thread with poll about it. Another guy brought it into this thread. I would rather not discuss it again.
If you stop defending being a welch, then people would stop bringing it up in other threads and the original two would just fade away. It isn't us, it is you. You are saying something that goes against what almost everyone here believes about paying bets due to some "code" you think justifies non-payment.
Someone calls you a name, you post "personal insult"...but you are only trying to call extra attention to what the Greens will find anyway in most every case...because I think you want to see how many people can get suspended now that you 100% understand that everyone thinks you are wrong.
It is a pretty honest question to ask if you paid the hooker since you didn't pay for bets you made. Both are things you can get away with not paying unless muscle becomes involved because they are not "legal" business transactions--you can't be sued for being a cheater.
Advocating your suspension for not being worthy of being a member due to admitted bet welching and even possibly trolling...well just what the heck did you expect?
And his one argument is that he was told at one point there would be a loss rebate and never followed up on it? Oh, and the bookie is "not a nice guy".
I'm assuming I'm missing the actual reason he has for not wanting to pay the bookie back, can someone fill me in?
Quote: FinsRuleSorry, just found this thread and I'm confused. Someone lost $4400 to a bookie and is wondering if he should pay it back?
And his one argument is that he was told at one point there would be a loss rebate and never followed up on it? Oh, and the bookie is "not a nice guy".
I'm assuming I'm missing the actual reason he has for not wanting to pay the bookie back, can someone fill me in?
He has no good reason. Just a welcher. Don't take any action from this guy. He may simply decide not to pay.
Quote: AxelWolfLemieux66 I think you are a OK guy seriously. I think you are just misguided and emotional about this. The guy may be everything you say, we are not in the situation we cant understand how exactly how you feel. However you are acting crazy and it seems logic wont convince you to back down so perhaps crazy will.
Axel, got nothing but respect for your opinion, you met the guy and have a perspective most of us don't have. That being said, I don't agree. Good guys never, never welch on bets, and then brag about it as if it's some badge of honor. Lemieux exposed himself for who he is and will have to deal with the fallout of being a man of low (or no) character.
Quote: MidwestAPLemieux exposed himself for who he is and will have to deal with the fallout of being a man of low (or no) character.
While I happen to agree with you, the real question could be this: does Lemieux genuinely feel the way he claims, in which case he could arguably be following his conscience, or is he just taking a shot?
A man is not necessarily "of low (or no) character" if he acts in conformity with his true beliefs, beliefs which are not shared by most others.
Think for example of the Mormons in the mid 1800's as an example of a group with unpopular beliefs who were murdered and persecuted for holding them, who later went on to bankroll and enable the growth of Las Vegas today.
Quote: MrVWhile I happen to agree with you, the real question could be this: does Lemieux genuinely feel the way he claims, in which case he could arguably be following his conscience, or is he just taking a shot?
A man is not necessarily "of low (or no) character" if he acts in conformity with his true beliefs, beliefs which are not shared by most others.
Think for example of the Mormons in the mid 1800's as an example of a group with unpopular beliefs who were murdered and persecuted for holding them, who later went on to bankroll and enable the growth of Las Vegas today.
It depends on who's value system you want to judge his beliefs against. If he really feels the way he claims (questionable), then in his mind he may not be a person of low character. But I can only judge against my values, and when doing so, his character is woefully lacking.
But if the tone of the replies move away from being civil and reasonable (some are, and some aren't on that slope), won't that just put him on the defensive ?
Quote: mds66, can I give you the 4400 to pay the book-agent?
you can give me 4400 if youd like
Quote: BuzzardSurely you can not get suspended for merely asking a valid question ? I mean my opinion of him is much lower than that. I guess I will go back immediately and delete that. Just to avoid any misunderstanding.
Damn, someone is at the door. I will be right back.
It's was 7th Day Adventists. I was at door door an hour. I came back to the computer SAVED but suspended. And now he has resigned. Before I could offer my sincerest apologies. This has been one hell of a year for me. And I do mean HELL !
Maybe I will meet him in person someday. And express exactly how sincere my apology is.