You decided to punish a bookie for encouraging you to gamble?
That's like an obese overeater deciding to burn down the local all you can buffet because he cannot stop himself from gorging there regularly.
It is all YOUR fault, due to your obvious lack of self control.
Too late to "man up" and try to grow a "tough guy" backbone; that train left long ago, when you were betting heavily and merrily with the bookie.
Dude, you should change the name you use on this gambling-centered message board.
From now on you should forevermore be labeled "PARIAH."
Quote: MrVLemieux66:
You decided to punish a bookie for encouraging you to gamble?
That's like an obese overeater deciding to burn down the local all you can buffet because he cannot stop himself from gorging there regularly.
It is all YOUR fault, due to your obvious lack of self control.
Too late to "man up" and try to grow a "tough guy" backbone; that train left long ago, when you were betting heavily and merrily with the bookie.
Dude, you should change the name you use on this gambling-centered message board.
From now on you should forevermore be labeled "PARIAH."
Read the thread. The bookie has been paid.
Quote: Lemieux66You're making completely blind assumptions about me. I mean I kind of expect that since we only met once. But as I said, I have my own moral code. I will NEVER screw people who aren't trying to screw with me. I don't waver from that. I'm sure I cost myself opportunities, but I'm a pretty private person about gambling ventures(the thread about my adventures wasnt started by myself). I wouldn't even ask to do a partnership.
I'm just confused by all of you. If a person is trying to take advantage of you. Bribe his own cousin to try to keep me on the betting wagon. Promise kickbacks that never came? This is ok? It's not ok. Do you just allow yourself to just get totally owned by these people? Maybe it's a New York thing but I'm certainly nobody's victim.
You did your research on the games you bet. You picked up the phone. You made the wager. You lost. That's it. You need to pay. Why is this so difficult to understand? Who cares about some outside source (Your agent).. Again, I know you gladly took the money when you won. You want to play and got to pay. PERIOD!
Quote: WizardI suggest we do this at 5:00 PM at the usual McDonalds (at the D) this Tuesday.
Here are the lines I'm offering to members in good standing. My window is specifically closed to Lemieux66, as I don't do business with welchers.
Yes +300
No -500
LOL. BURN!
Quote: Lemieux66Read the thread. The bookie has been paid.
I look at this guy as the same as the bookie.
You owe the money to him, he basically bought the debt.
No different than a collection agency taking assignment of a debt.
Your position is indefensible.
Quote: MrVI look at this guy as the same as the bookie.
You owe the money to him, he basically bought the debt.
No different than a collection agency taking assignment of a debt.
Your position is indefensible.
He stole money from me. 500 dollars. I got him back for 4400 so I'm ahead 3900. If he didn't keep the money I was owed, I would have paid. Simple as that.
You keep adding and changing crap as you go along. Next thing we know this guy will be a terrorist baby raper who killed your dog and ass raped you. BTW you would still owe him the money.Quote: Lemieux66He stole money from me. 500 dollars. I got him back for 4400 so I'm ahead 3900. If he didn't keep the money I was owed, I would have paid. Simple as that.
It's simple, you owe him some money. I have no doubt this will come back to haunt you. It not even the fact you are not paying him. It's your attitude about the hole thing. You are painting a target on your back. I can imagine someone reading this thread then trying to contact this guy and offering to collect.
I'm surprised this guy has not harassed you at your job or something. Some people are very patient
Quote: AxelWolfYou keep adding and changing crap as you go along. Next thing we know this guy will be a terrorist baby raper who killed your dog and ass raped you. BTW you would still owe him the money.
It's simple, you owe him some money. I have no doubt this will come back to haunt you. It not even the fact you are not paying him. It's your attitude about the hole thing. You are painting a target on your back. I can imagine someone reading this thread then trying to contact this guy and offering to collect.
I'm surprised this guy has not harassed you at your job or something. Some people are very patient
I told him I got fired over a year ago. He believes it.
Quote: Lemieux66I told him I got fired over a year ago. He believes it.
hard not to believe, especially after the way you are acting.
Quote: Lemieux66I told him I got fired over a year ago. He believes it.
It's almost like you're proud of all this. I
wonder if the good guy here isn't the dude
you owe the money to.
Quote: EvenBobIt's almost like you're proud of all this. I
wonder if the good guy here isn't the dude
you owe the money to.
He's not. His own family agrees with me.
Quote: Lemieux66He's not. His own family agrees with me.
To your face they do. I can't see them
giving you accolades behind your back.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
Quote: EvenBobTo your face they do. I can't see them
giving you accolades behind your back.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
That doesn't make sense. At this point, wouldn't they tell him I work and have been lying to him about that?
I wonder if in the same situation you would try to welch on a Tony Soprano. Tony was a predator too, he allows and encourages to gamble as well. If you did, you would deserve what is coming to you. You are lucky you avoided it thus far.
Quote: VCUSkyhawk"A grown man made a bet, he lost. He made another one, he lost. End of story." ~ Tony Soprano
I wonder if in the same situation you would try to welch on a Tony Soprano. Tony was a predator too, he allows and encourages to gamble as well. If you did, you would deserve what is coming to you. You are lucky you avoided it thus far.
I think Tony is too big time to try to bribe others into convincing friends to bet.
Quote: Lemieux66I think Tony is too big time to try to bribe others into convincing friends to bet.
You are dodging the point and you damn well know it.
Were you under the influence of drugs or drink when you made the bets?
Did you know you were making bets?
People make bad decisions all the time--your bad decision doesn't make it okay to cheat someone else out of what you agreed to pay. All of the rest of it is just a pile of crap that you are trying to sell to us as lobster or something in order to make yourself look bad.
You look bad.
The Wizard won't book a friendly bet with you.
Does that mean anything to you???
Quote: WizardTo be honest, I think that would be the lesser sin. I have a lower opinion of bet welchers than I do of outright thieves.
In the antique biz, the lowest form of life
are the 'be backs'. They see something they
want at a show and tell you they want you
to hold it for them, and they'll be back. Except
they never come back and you lost sales
because the item was set aside for them. You
only do this a couple times before you catch on.
Quote: EvenBobIn the antique biz, the lowest form of life
are the 'be backs'.
In theory, that is why they have deposits. However, knowing myself, I would probably be a nice guy and let them hold stuff on faith too. However, with me it would take being stood up about a dozen times before I toughened up and made a firm deposit policy for people I don't know.
Quote: WizardIn theory, that is why they have deposits.
They won't do deposits because what they want
to do is shop the whole show and if they find a
cheaper one, they'll buy it. Antique buyers are
the original cheapskates. They think you paid
nothing for the item, so they want it for almost
nothing.
PS. I never welched on a bet. Ask the Wizard or Axel.
PSS. I might welch on this bet if you resell it to someone else.
PSSS. I might welch if you take a kickback from my action.
PSSS. Please send a picture of your house and girlfriend.
Quote: Lemieux66You're making completely blind assumptions about me. I mean I kind of expect that since we only met once. But as I said, I have my own moral code. I will NEVER screw people who aren't trying to screw with me. I don't waver from that. I'm sure I cost myself opportunities, but I'm a pretty private person about gambling ventures(the thread about my adventures wasnt started by myself). I wouldn't even ask to do a partnership.
I'm just confused by all of you. If a person is trying to take advantage of you. Bribe his own cousin to try to keep me on the betting wagon. Promise kickbacks that never came? This is ok? It's not ok. Do you just allow yourself to just get totally owned by these people? Maybe it's a New York thing but I'm certainly nobody's victim.
If he promised you the kickbacks (note that you are changing your story -- before you were saying that he gave other people kickbacks and didn't tell you about them) then just subtract the amount that he owes you from the debt.
The problem is that you are just making excuses to not pay your debt. No one believes any of this morality BS. You just see an opportunity to rip someone off and you are doing it. All the rest of it is just rationalization.
Quote: AxelWolfYou keep adding and changing crap as you go along. Next thing we know this guy will be a terrorist baby raper who killed your dog and ass raped you. BTW you would still owe him the money.
It's simple, you owe him some money. I have no doubt this will come back to haunt you. It not even the fact you are not paying him. It's your attitude about the hole thing. You are painting a target on your back. I can imagine someone reading this thread then trying to contact this guy and offering to collect.
I'm surprised this guy has not harassed you at your job or something. Some people are very patient
Is Buzz retired?
Quote: EvenBobIt's almost like you're proud of all this. I
wonder if the good guy here isn't the dude
you owe the money to.
Of course the good guy is the guy he owes money to!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIs Buzz retired?
Looks like he took one for the team regarding this situation.
Quote: 2tearsMy brothers, this thread only shows how men are becoming weak minded slaves who stand for nothing but fall for everything. Not only in America, but all over the world, able bodied and sound minded men accept constant oppression of the few ruled by fear, intimidation and mind control tactics via mass media. Bookie apprentice represents the manipulative forces that want to distract you from alternative views such as the one OP holds and blindly accept enslavement and reject anyone who fights against it.
huh?
Quote: AxiomOfChoicehuh?
He basically says have some backbone.
Quote: 2tearsBookie apprentice represents the manipulative forces that want to distract you from alternative views such as the one OP holds and blindly accept enslavement .
Alternative views my ass. Welching is not an
'alternative view', nice try.
Quote: Lemieux66He basically says have some backbone.
He should take some English lessons or something.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHe should take some English lessons or something.
Pot kettle black.
Quote: EvenBobAlternative views my ass. Welching is not an
'alternative view', nice try.
Welching is not paying a gambling debt without reason.
OP is not Welching on a bet which many of you don't seem to understand regardless of how many different ways op tries to explain to you. He's retaliating against someone who stole anywhere from $500-$1000 in total kickbacks, conspired with his cousin who happens to be OPS friend to keep him betting, refused to close the betting accounts multiple times.
OP simply took a stand. There's consequences to being a theiving, lying sack of shit and unlike most of you who would still pay after being manipulated, OP just served it right back to him. How does everyone not see that you're just defending the bad guy in all this?
Quote: 2tearsWelching is not paying a gambling debt without reason.
OP is not Welching on a bet which many of you don't seem to understand regardless of how many different ways op tries to explain to you. He's retaliating against someone who stole anywhere from $500-$1000 in total kickbacks, conspired with his cousin who happens to be OPS friend to keep him betting, refused to close the betting accounts multiple times.
OP simply took a stand. There's consequences to being a theiving, lying sack of shit and unlike most of you who would still pay after being manipulated, OP just served it right back to him. How does everyone not see that you're just defending the bad guy in all this?
So "backbone" is what is needed to welch on bets?
Was the OP promised kickbacks?
No--he never says that they were promised to him. Can he prove that the bookie gave them to the runner for him to receive? Not from what he has told us so far, but his story may change again.
Did the OP knowingly make bets after he asked for his account to be closed?
If the OP didn't make the bet, he doesn't owe the money. While casinos have self-exclusion for those who need it, bookies don't offer the same service. You have to say "NO MORE BETS" every time you are asked.
It isn't relevant that he thinks badly of the person he asked to carry his bets as related to whether or not he owes him. The most you can give him is that he should pay less than the full amount if he can prove (not just say) that rebates intended for him were kept by the low life scum running the bets.
Does the OP think that the world of bookies and hookers doesn't have a few bad people in it?
Quote: 2tearsWelching is not paying a gambling debt without reason.
Wrong. Twist the definition all you want. Twist the story all you want. In the end what you are left with is a guy who has no moral fiber and wants us to think he is doing the "right thing" and that he is "fighting back".
He is a thief. Period.
Quote: 2tearsWelching is not paying a gambling debt without reason.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkWrong. Twist the definition all you want. Twist the story all you want. In the end what you are left with is a guy who has no moral fiber and wants us to think he is doing the "right thing" and that he is "fighting back".
He is a thief. Period.
It is a gambling debt. He gambled and lost. He is not paying a gambling debt and there is no legitimate reason to not pay it.
Again, if he knows the bookie gave a kickback meant for him to the runner and the runner kept it as extra juice, there is some room on that issue...but he has to have proof of that happening.
He made the bets, he owes them. Casinos encourage us to bet extra every time by giving us comps, food, rooms, drinks, etc.--can we just welch on those now, too, given this "code"?
"Slick" was someone that I knew who enjoyed cheating people.
If he cheated someone out of their life savings and ruined their lives and those of their children, that was their problem.
Not his.
He was tough, strong, carried a gun and he feared no one.
Slick had two businesses. He used one of them to cook the books of the other which was losing money.
He sold that one to a man who could not pay the note and quickly lost the business back to Slick.
Slick even bragged about this stunt.
One day, the guy's wife telephoned Slick in tears.
She accused him of cheating her and her husband out of their money and demanded return of their down payment.
Slick hung up on her, but not before getting in a few insults.
He bragged about this too.
People warned Slick that he crossed the line by dishonoring the guy's wife.
He laughed it off.
Two weeks later, Slick was alone inside that same business when someone came in and escorted him to the rear of the building where he pumped two bullets into the back of Slick's head.
The killer was never found.
Quote: TankoI do not believe that anyone here is anything like this person.
"Slick" was someone that I knew who enjoyed cheating people.
If he cheated someone out of their life savings and ruined their lives and those of their children, that was their problem.
Not his.
He was tough, strong, carried a gun and he feared no one.
Slick had two businesses. He used one of them to cook the books of the other which was losing money.
He sold that one to a man who could not pay the note and quickly lost the business back to Slick.
Slick even bragged about this stunt.
One day, the guy's wife telephoned Slick in tears.
She accused him of cheating her and her husband out of their money and demanded return of their down payment.
Slick hung up on her, but not before getting in a few insults.
He bragged about this too.
People warned Slick that he crossed the line by dishonoring the guy's wife.
He laughed it off.
Two weeks later, Slick was alone inside that same business when someone came in and escorted him to the rear of the building where he pumped two bullets into the back of Slick's head.
The killer was never found.
I was a big fan of Slick in the WWF back in the day. Jive Soul Bro.
Anyway, I am DONE WITH THIS THREAD.
Quote: Lemieux66There's a difference. He didn't try to use your sports betting addiction against you. Of course you pay back the child molester.
Wow.
Lemiwelch4400 was in great standing last time I was on this site, lol.
Having anger and rage issues myself, I could almost try to understand where Lemieux was coming from. Until this comment.
Shame on you and anyone else who said they would pay pediophiles back. I would stab them in the throat and sodomize them before they bled out. Then took the wallet from the pants around their cold dead ankles.
Why are you making bets with child molesters anyway? Way to many people were happy to pay back molesters for my comfort.
Ok great, now lets close the thread. No reason to dredge all of this crap back up.Quote: JoePloppyWow.
Lemiwelch4400 was in great standing last time I was on this site, lol.
Having anger and rage issues myself, I could almost try to understand where Lemieux was coming from. Until this comment.
Shame on you and anyone else who said they would pay pediophiles back. I would stab them in the throat and sodomize them before they bled out. Then took the wallet from the pants around their cold dead ankles.
Why are you making bets with child molesters anyway? Way to many people were happy to pay back molesters for my comfort.
Just an observation when Lemmy did it, it's welshing but if Gary Loveman does it, it's renegotiating or structuring. Sometimes it's just a passive aggressive move being made to do it.Quote: AxelWolfOk great, now lets close the thread. No reason to dredge all of this crap back up.