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Quote: rxwineTornados in the news. What do you think the odds are a tornado would destroy your home after you rebuild?
Probably the same as before you rebuilt.
Quote: MrVQuote: rxwineTornados in the news. What do you think the odds are a tornado would destroy your home after you rebuild?
Probably the same as before you rebuilt.
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Totally wrong! After having your house destroyed by tornadic activity many rebuilds are to higher standard decreasing the odds that a tornado will destroy it.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MrVQuote: rxwineTornados in the news. What do you think the odds are a tornado would destroy your home after you rebuild?
Probably the same as before you rebuilt.
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Totally wrong! After having your house destroyed by tornadic activity many rebuilds are to higher standard decreasing the odds that a tornado will destroy it.
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Perhaps the home would be built better, but this is strictly a science related question not politics, based on climate trends wouldn’t the expectation of a tornado hitting your home in the first place be more likely in the future then it has been historically? Not major differences, but a gradually increasing chance nonetheless?
Quote: DRichI am surprised that we have actually had two tornado's touch down near Ft. Myers in the five months that we have lived here. Nobody mentioned to me about tornado's down this far south, all anyone talks about are the hurricanes that we can expect. Fortunately, a little wind and rain doesn't scare me.
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Tornado probabilities come along with tropical storms from my understanding. To my understanding they go together so long as it doesn’t meet hurricane qualifications.
A: Both start with sucking and blowing and before you know it you've lost your house and everything you own.
Quote:Barrel containing human remains discovered in Lake Mead amid drought, more bodies likely to turn up
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-vegas-authorities-barrel-containing-human-remains-discovered-in-lake-mead-amid-drought-more-bodies-likely-to-turn-up/ar-AAWQJJX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1bb4f328644248558c9d539977311836
Quote: rxwineQuote:Barrel containing human remains discovered in Lake Mead amid drought, more bodies likely to turn up
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-vegas-authorities-barrel-containing-human-remains-discovered-in-lake-mead-amid-drought-more-bodies-likely-to-turn-up/ar-AAWQJJX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1bb4f328644248558c9d539977311836
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I found a body floating in Lake Mead many years ago. It wasn't in a barrel, it was floating in the middle of the lake.
Although the fact that the body was in a barrel at the bottom of the lake may have something to do with it.
Scouts were organized to try and rescue whatever wildlife was left. Within the first half-hour, two guns were found and the event was canceled. It turned out to be a dumping ground for many guns and knives. I hadn't known until then that the lake was artificial and had been swampland until the 1940s.
female Corrections Officer hot for murderer - helps him escape_____________ well, he is very handsome______________________(~:\
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from a Grateful Dead song_________________𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙨𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙤𝙡𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜______________𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙢𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙨 𝙖 𝙋𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙡𝙖𝙮 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝘽𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙙𝙤𝙬𝙣
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Quote: rxwineI don't think I would run off with a female convicted murderer much less totally trust her no matter how attractive she was. I suppose it would depend on the case on how much I believed her. Multiple men die. Nope. I can't sleep with one eye open, or keep checking the kitchen cupboard for rat poison every night of the relationship plus worry about the police busting down the door at some point.
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Couldn’t help but notice you didn’t rule out running off with a male convicted murderer;)
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: rxwineI don't think I would run off with a female convicted murderer much less totally trust her no matter how attractive she was. I suppose it would depend on the case on how much I believed her. Multiple men die. Nope. I can't sleep with one eye open, or keep checking the kitchen cupboard for rat poison every night of the relationship plus worry about the police busting down the door at some point.
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Couldn’t help but notice you didn’t rule out running off with a male convicted murderer;)
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Only if I’m in the joint with him!
she bought it at Goodwill for $34.99____________turns out it's a relic from Ancient Rome from between 753 BC and 476 AD
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https://www.businessinsider.com/roman-bust-sold-goodwill-store-3499-2000-year-old-relic-2022-5#:~:text=A%20Texas%20woman%20has%20handed,Austin%2C%20Texas%2C%20in%202018
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female Corrections Officer hot for murderer - helps him escape_____________ well, he is very handsome______________________(~:\
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ha!
actually the problem of vulnerable women interacting with these criminals is fairly new, it being unthinkable not so long ago to allow such contact. Now that women are in contact through their various jobs.... lawyers, prison psychologists [not guards much I think]... we have these incidents of romance and resultant episodes of helping inmates escape. I get the feeling that it is now realized that it is necessary to take extra steps to warn women to not fall victim.
Of course the incidents get a lot of media attention, so maybe the percentages of women falling victim is low. But undeniably a case of 'up from zero'
The problem isn't 'good looks' so much as that many, many criminals are masters of manipulation, world class con-men that have spent a lifetime practicing their art. In so many cases it's what got them in trouble in the first place.
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female Corrections Officer hot for murderer - helps him escape_____________ well, he is very handsome______________________(~:\
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ha!
actually the problem of vulnerable women interacting with these criminals is fairly new, it being unthinkable not so long ago to allow such contact. Now that women are in contact through their various jobs.... lawyers, prison psychologists [not guards much I think]... we have these incidents of romance and resultant episodes of helping inmates escape. I get the feeling that it is now realized that it is necessary to take extra steps to warn women to not fall victim.
Of course the incidents get a lot of media attention, so maybe the percentages of women falling victim is low. But undeniably a case of 'up from zero'
The problem isn't 'good looks' so much as that many, many criminals are masters of manipulation, world class con-men that have spent a lifetime practicing their art. In so many cases it's what got them in trouble in the first place.
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Not sure what the odds are a 6'9" man can blend in with the crowd. Seems low to me.
Quote: rxwineUpdate (12 May 2022): The big day of the announcement is today! Make sure to check back to ScienceAlert's home page for a live blog of the press conference at roughly 08:40 am EDT, or 12:40 UTC.
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We finally have an image of the black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy. Pretty sobering. Our lives revolve around a hole.
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Not sure what the odds are a 6'9" man can blend in with the crowd. Seems low to me.
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the link gives more info on this story
they were caught and she committed suicide by gun - at least that's the official line
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/12/vicky-white-alabama-corrections-casey/
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In the late 90's I was seeing this chick, Norma Jean, who lived a few doors down. She had a crazy on-and-off relationship with this guy named Scott. Scott and I ended up becoming friends, a few years later he ended up drowning in Lake Mead. IIRC it was alcohol-related.Quote: DRichQuote: rxwineQuote:Barrel containing human remains discovered in Lake Mead amid drought, more bodies likely to turn up
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-vegas-authorities-barrel-containing-human-remains-discovered-in-lake-mead-amid-drought-more-bodies-likely-to-turn-up/ar-AAWQJJX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1bb4f328644248558c9d539977311836
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I found a body floating in Lake Mead many years ago. It wasn't in a barrel, it was floating in the middle of the lake.
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wow - I was just at the grocery store and they now want $6 for a little package of cookies
I think we need to bring back the WIN buttons that were there under Gerald Ford iirc
remember WIN__________WIN of course stands for________________
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I'm pretty sure that would do the trick___________________(~:/
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wow - I was just at the grocery store and they now want $6 for a little package of cookies
You must have very expensive taste in cookies. I shop at Walmart Neighborhood Market and the cookies I buy are the Walmart brand version of the Girl Scout cookies called Thin Mints. Last week I paid $2,12 for a pack but that inflation has hit those cookies too as I used to pay about $1.79 a few weeks ago.
maybe in 6 months the table minimum at the craps table will be $250
remember the good ole days, when if you had $100 you thought you actually had some money____________?????
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maybe in 6 months the table minimum at the craps table will be $250
remember the good ole days, when if you had $100 you thought you actually had some money____________?????
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Gambling wins should be indexed to inflation. ; )
Quote: billryanIs there a difference between a black hole and a wormhole as used in SciFi?
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A black hole is a gravitational singularity--the star that formed it was so large that when it collapsed nothing could stop the implosion: normal matter became degenerate matter as the electrons were shoved into their smallest possible orbits. That wasn't enough, so it got worse. Electrons were forced into protons to become neutrons, and the star became a neutron star. But no, the sheer mass of the star was so much that neutrons were squeezed into quark plasma...and the density of that is so great that the escape velocity from the surface of that star became greater than the speed of light--and the star went completely black--a black hole. There's a hell of a lot more about BHs and the crazy things that happen around them. DM me for more.
Black holes are real, and just this past week they've released an image of Sagittarius A, a known BH.
A wormhole is a theoretical connection between two points in space-time, where the distance between the two points is vastly greater in the 'normal' universe than the distance through the wormhole. The points in space-time that can support the formation of a wormhole vary greatly in SF, as well as in theoretical physics. In SF, they exist in places that are nearby a star, yet far enough away to allow plot points to happen. In one notable exception, the Niven-Pournelle universe where the Moties existed had the exit of one wormhole (an "Alderson point") actually inside the atmosphere of a orange-red supergiant star..
Wormholes have not been proven to exist. But folks keep hoping.
Quote:A scientific paper published this week has found that gaming might cause positive gains in intelligence in children. Although links between gaming and its impact on intelligence have been found before, this study found evidence for the impact in stronger terms and suggested causal links between gaming and intelligence.
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The paper is published on Nature.com and the study was carried out by a team of European researchers based in universities in Sweden, The Netherlands, and Germany. The study's aim was to determine what impact screen time had on children's intelligence, with special focus on playing video games as compared with watching videos.
To make my point, it would be pretty silly to call playing video games "gambling', unless there is actual gambling.
beach houses in the Outer Banks, N.C. are giving way to rising seas
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/05/13/climate-change-north-carolina-house/
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beach houses in the Outer Banks, N.C. are giving way to rising seas
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Quote: that linkThe precarious nature of homes along the Outer Banks and other barrier islands is nothing new
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beach houses in the Outer Banks, N.C. are giving way to rising seas
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link to original postQuote: that linkThe precarious nature of homes along the Outer Banks and other barrier islands is nothing new
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also from the article:
"By 2050, they wrote, [researchers], moderate flooding is expected to occur 10 times as often as it does today, on average"
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/sealevelrise-tech-report.html
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That's a cool gif you posted, I enjoyed it, hard not to. I'm just weary of the constant jump to conclusions, so I had to see if the article had the honesty to say there's nothing new about an eroding coast.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/
1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter
Quote: billryanHave you seen the urinating Johnny Cash mural? Some small town in Arkansas decided to honor the Man in Black by painting a silhouette of him on the top of their water tower. It would seem not everyone was thrilled with it as someone decided to shoot the mural and the bullet pierced the tank directly above the groin. The end result is a small but steady stream of water flowing from the tank that looks suspiciously like he is relieving himself. Authorities are warning to be on the lookout for copycat shooters.
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Here's the first.
Quote:Lars Karlsson, Professor at Örebro University
Mostly the items in those long lists are poorly sourced, cherrypicked and taken out of context, and they are often taken from mass media, not from the scientific literature.
In some cases, they were not fulfilled because we did something about them (e.g. the ozone hole, acid rain).
Scientists usually don’t spend time commenting images somebody posts on social media.
Quote: odiousgambitAlso cited in the WAPO article, scientists are predicting that we will finally get the sea level rise that they have been predicting forever. That is, the extra level from human activity... a rise is expected even if humans become extinct tomorrow. Maybe they will be right this time, the record is not too good. List below is from Mark J Perry, the link has the reference links ... note #15, 17
That's a cool gif you posted, I enjoyed it, hard not to. I'm just weary of the constant jump to conclusions, so I had to see if the article had the honesty to say there's nothing new about an eroding coast.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/
1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter
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My grandparents had a cottage on Fire Island that was completely destroyed in a hurricane. Realizing what would have happened had the family been there for the storm( it happened two weeks after they closed it down after Labor Day) they rebuilt the main Island.
My grandmother got all the kids to go in the water, come out and start walking. After about 100 yards, their suits stopped dripping and their feet dried as to not leave wet footprints. That's the spot my grandfather built his new cottage. That was 1939 and it is still standing, although its been expanded and renovated so many times, it's hard to say what is original. From a two-room, no bathroom, no kitchen cottage to today's three-bedroom, two-bath has been quite the journey. Meanwhile, people come in and build where they shouldn't and then wonder why they get flooded out. The end of our property used to border on a punk field. Literally, swampland that some developer tried to fill in and build million-dollar houses on. It wasn't very successful.
https://www.888poker.com/magazine/poker-terms/prop-player
Quote: odiousgambitI did not know there was such a thing as a "proposition player", paid by the casino
https://www.888poker.com/magazine/poker-terms/prop-player
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Yes, it used to be very common on live games in casinos to have a house player (prop player) to get games started. As enough players joined the prop players would leave to make seats available for more customers. I think most casinos had a rule that if you asked, the prop players had to identify themselves as playing for the house.
Quote: billryanThese are different than shills?
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LOL. I'd like to see that at other places. You see a small line at your local car dealership and a sign "ONE DAY ONLY DEALS!!!"
Paid shills.
Congress has held a hearing with Pentagon officials to discuss UFO reports and videos made by military pilots
lots of questions - no real answers
summary from Wikipedia:
"On June 25, 2021, the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) released a preliminary report on UAPs,[49] largely centering on evidence gathered in the last 20 years from US Navy reports. The report came to no conclusion about what the UAPs were, based on a lack of evidence,[50] though in a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics, including high velocity,[51] breaking the sound barrier without producing a sonic boom,[52] high maneuverability not able to be replicated otherwise,[53] long-duration flight,[54] and an ability to submerge into the water.[28][55][45][56][54] Some of the UAPs appeared to move with no discernable means of propulsion,[57] and it was noted that the alleged high speeds and maneuvers would normally destroy any craft.[54] These observations could be the result of sensor errors, spoofing, or observer misperception, and require additional rigorous analysis.[57]
The report indicated that, in most cases, the UAP recordings probably were of physical objects, and not false readings, as individual instances had been detected by different sensor mechanisms, including visual observation. The report also stated that "UAP probably lack a single explanation", and proposed five possible categories of explanation: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, US government or industry development technology, foreign craft, and an "Other" category.[57]
The report raised concerns that the UAPs could be a safety issue, with regard to a possible collision with US aircraft, and that they could pose a security threat if they were foreign craft gathering information about the US.[57] The report indicated that investigation of the topic would continue, including development of reporting protocols.[57] The report also indicated that, of the sightings reported, all except one (confirmed as a weather balloon) lack sufficient information to attribute a specific explanation or explanations.[50]"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/05/17/ufo-hearing-congress/
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Some people (most people) shouldn’t be allowed to own pets since they are incapable of exercising reasonable/objective judgment about how their animals behave in public.
lately I've been thinking about my Grandfather raising his family a very long time ago -
he had 5 kids, a pretty decent house just outside of Baltimore - it wouldn't impress anybody, but it was definitely okay
his wife, my Grandmother, didn't work and he had only a little job - an hourly worker in a zipper factory
no welfare or government help or anything like that
how could he do that_______????_________________seems impossible__________ at least for today
things like the value of money and what it could buy must have been really different back then
also, I was born and raised in DC
my very early memories of DC____________no homeless___________zero
you never ever saw a person with their possessions in a shopping cart____________________never, never, never
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lately I've been thinking about my Grandfather raising his family a very long time ago -
he had 5 kids, a pretty decent house just outside of Baltimore - it wouldn't impress anybody, but it was definitely okay
his wife, my Grandmother, didn't work and he had only a little job - an hourly worker in a zipper factory
no welfare or government help or anything like that
how could he do that_______????_________________seems impossible__________ at least for today
things like the value of money and what it could buy must have been really different back then
also, I was born and raised in DC
my very early memories of DC____________no homeless___________zero
you never ever saw a person with their possessions in a shopping cart____________________never, never, never
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Life evolves.
Your grandfather didn't lay out hundreds a month for cell phones, cable television, internet, gym memberships etc, etc. Never bought a wide screen tv or desktop computer. e didn't buy bottled water by the case and the younger members probably wore hand me downs.
