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Nareed
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January 31st, 2014 at 7:11:53 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

A seed is the beginning of a tree it can be nothing else. Every tree began as a seed, there is nothing potential about it, if its a healthy seed given enough moisture and nutrients it will become a tree - it is meant to become a tree! An embryo is a unique and unrepeatable human being. At the moment of conception we have all the DNA, genes, and stuff to make us who we are, our body type, hair color, etc. Every human being begins at conception. A human embryo will not become a chicken or a tree, but a unique and wonderful human being. It is when we are born that we recognize our potential to be the kind, loving, and good person God has made us to be.



I award you the prize for the longest non-sequitur I've seen this year.
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Nareed
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January 31st, 2014 at 7:12:32 PM permalink
Quote: 98Clubs

nareed: you can't possibly equate this to abortion. Pregnancy involves a cancerous growth in the womb ????



Do you know what an analogy is?
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January 31st, 2014 at 7:15:01 PM permalink
Quote: 98Clubs

One also has the choice of tubal ligation, a modest proceedure.



I wouldn't call major surgery "modest."

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One also has the choice of simply handing over the born child to a Hospital, no questions asked.



Does one have the choice of not facing any risk at all during an unwanted pregnancy? Of not having any additional responsibilities? Of not suffering any discomfort? Of not putting one's life on hold for months? Of not spending any additional money?
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Twirdman
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January 31st, 2014 at 7:28:29 PM permalink
It still amazes me that anti-abortion people also seem to be anti-contraceptive and anti-comprehensive sex education. Can't let them get an abortion but also can't give them the tools to avoid pregnancy. It really is based on simply wanting to punish people for having sex and there is no reason for it. If you want to reduce the number of pregnancies make sure contraceptives like condoms and the pill are readily available and people know how to use them. The fact of the matter is abstinence only education is a fairly for a large section of the population. Telling most people to just not have sex doesn't work so instead properly equip them to have sex and watch unwanted pregnancy rates plummet.
Beethoven9th
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January 31st, 2014 at 7:34:22 PM permalink
Oh brother, now we're gonna hear some more nonsense about the Pope changing Catholic doctrine on abortion...
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January 31st, 2014 at 8:07:21 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

If you want to reduce the number of pregnancies


Not sure that's exactly what's being debated.

Quote: Twirdman

It really is based on simply wanting to punish people for having sex and there is no reason for it.


And I'm confident you'd have hard time finding a pro-lifer thinking of a baby "punishment."
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January 31st, 2014 at 8:22:55 PM permalink
Quote: Calder

Not sure that's exactly what's being debated.


And I'm confident you'd have hard time finding a pro-lifer thinking of a baby "punishment."



Sorry that should have said abortions not pregnancies and while some pro life people may not feel a baby is punishment the fact is it does make things more difficult especially if you are a high school student or even a university student. Also the pregnancy itself is a major difficulty during those times that has to be overcome and again this could be mitigated by simply providing better sex education.
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January 31st, 2014 at 9:43:45 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

+1

I'll never understand why libs use 1% of abortions to justify the other 95%+.



I'm not a lib, and i never justified 95% of abortions.

I think it's absurd and terrible that a woman would have an abortion just because she can't afford a kid or doesn't want the inconvenience. But I absolutely cannot comprehend how you would force a rape victim to have a child
Beethoven9th
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January 31st, 2014 at 9:48:03 PM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

I'm not a lib, and i never justified 95% of abortions.

I think it's absurd and terrible that a woman would have an abortion just because she can't afford a kid or doesn't want the inconvenience. But I absolutely cannot comprehend how you would force a rape victim to have a child


I was just commenting on a post. I apologize if you thought it was aimed at you.

As for abortion, my 3 exceptions are: Rape, Incest, Life of the mother. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of abortions fall into the "Convenience" category.
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FrGamble
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January 31st, 2014 at 9:54:32 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

It still amazes me that anti-abortion people also seem to be anti-contraceptive and anti-comprehensive sex education. Can't let them get an abortion but also can't give them the tools to avoid pregnancy. It really is based on simply wanting to punish people for having sex and there is no reason for it. If you want to reduce the number of pregnancies make sure contraceptives like condoms and the pill are readily available and people know how to use them. The fact of the matter is abstinence only education is a fairly for a large section of the population. Telling most people to just not have sex doesn't work so instead properly equip them to have sex and watch unwanted pregnancy rates plummet.



Or better yet get rid of pornography and stop treating women as objects to be used for pleasure and watch the unwanted pregnancies and STDs plummet.

Again it comes down to a pro-life issue of recognizing the inherent dignity of every human person be they unborn or a beautiful woman, we cannot use or discard someone when they aren't pleasing to us or convenient for us anymore.

Let me try to also clear up my rambling earlier for Nareed. Your bad analogies don't work whether it is comparing pregnancy to cancer or somehow trying to say that because a human being is still developing it makes them any less of human being. When that seed of a tree is planted and sprouts you are killing a tree when you dig it up. When a human egg is fertilized by the sacred sperm it has all it needs to become a unique and unrepeatable human person, it you kill it at any time you are ending a human life. I don't understand how potentiality means anything in this conversation other than yet another reason to not kill someone before they reach their potential.

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