The Truth: Pro-Choice versus Pro-Life
Quote: FrGambleWhen that seed of a tree is planted and sprouts you are killing a tree when you dig it up. When a human egg is fertilized by the sacred sperm it has all it needs to become a unique and unrepeatable human person, it you kill it at any time you are ending a human life. I don't understand how potentiality means anything in this conversation other than yet another reason to not kill someone before they reach their potential.
Okay, something of some development has some value. But how much?
Examples:
$100 at age 10, invested until you are 80
An acorn becomes an oak tree.
A few termites in a house foundation (negative value) if the termites are allowed to multiply and destroy a valuable home.
A table bought for a hundred dollars in 1800's becomes a rare antique in 2014 worth 100k.
As far as I know when you destroy the $100, the acorn, the few termites and the table back when it was worth only a hundred, THAT is all the value something has. The kid with a $100 dollars can't claim you owe him a million that he made by age 50 or 60.
Why should it be different with fertilized egg, or first trimester?
Quote: rxwineAs far as I know when you destroy the $100, the acorn, the few termites and the table back when it was worth only a hundred, THAT is all the value something has. The kid with a $100 dollars can't claim you owe him a million that he made by age 50 or 60.
Oh my god, this is a serious analogy?!? *facepalm*
Quote: Beethoven9thOh my god, this is a serious analogy?!? *facepalm*
Is this a counterargument?!? *facepalm*
Hey the egg you have for breakfast is a unique unborn being with chicken potential. A chicken with its whole life ahead of it. Gone!
Quote: rxwineHey the egg you have for breakfast is a unique unborn being with chicken potential. A chicken with its whole life ahead of it. Gone!
LOL! I have no idea how you're able to function using that type of logic. Comparing human beings & eggs for breakfast?!?!?!?! *FACEPALM*
Quote: Beethoven9th
As for abortion, my 3 exceptions are: Rape, Incest, Life of the mother. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of abortions fall into the "Convenience" category.
That was my point also. No rape victim should ever
be forced to have a baby, but they are always held
up as the reason for legalized abortion. 99.9% of
abortions are by women who want too many choices
and got in their 'condition' by making the wrong
ones.
By their reasoning, a man buys a gun. He decides to
commit a crime with a gun. Once he gets caught,
he should be allowed a do over. Lets forget it happened
and start again. That's pro-choice.
Quote: Beethoven9thLOL! I have no idea how you're able to function using that type of logic. Comparing human beings & eggs for breakfast?!?!?!?! *FACEPALM*
Using some of the logic of pro-lifers an egg breakfast should cost as much as a whole chicken in value. A few fertilized cells is worth a whole human being.
Hardly. Consider this, but substitute a test tube for one kid.
Quote: rxwineUsing some of the logic of pro-lifers an egg breakfast should cost as much as a whole chicken in value. A few fertilized cells is worth a whole human being
Still comparing human beings to scrambled eggs?!?
Look at it as the government saying viagra can only be used by people women will be satisfied by according to their tests and measurements. It's not the government's right to be involved in your private matters which it has no business.
Yes babies are probably tossed for trinkets and freedom not being valued, but if you want to change this, the monetary value of a baby has to be brought up to make it more valuable to keep and raise. The problem is most people who hold a prolife view, view other people as garbage for almost every other political view.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's the right to privacy which should be debated.
The problem is most people who hold a prolife view, view other people as garbage for almost every other political view.
It's the right to life which should be debated.
The problem is most people who hold a pro-abortion view, view unborn babies as garbage in their political view.
That's modern society. Babies used to mean wealth during farm days and now they mean expense in modern society. Change this and then abortion will be moot and irrelevant. Human dignity has to be protected in life monetarally first before it changes. Society has to become something real and valued as well or people will not be motivated to produce others to be a part of it. People have to be invested in and not just sell out everything which was built to nurture society and riches must be sacrificed for higher values.Quote: Beethoven9thIt's the right to life which should be debated.
The problem is most people who hold a pro-abortion view, view unborn babies as garbage in their political view.
Do you write speeches for Rand Paul?Quote: Beethoven9thIt's the right to life which should be debated.
The problem is most people who hold a pro-abortion view, view unborn babies as garbage in their political view.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThat's modern society. Babies used to mean wealth during farm days and now they mean expense in modern society. Change this and then abortion will be moot and irrelevant. Human dignity has to be protected in life monetarally first before it changes. Society has to become something real and valued as well or people will not be motivated to produce others to be a part of it. People have to be invested in and not just sell out everything which was built to nurture society and riches must be sacrificed for higher values.
You must be speaking Bingo-ese. lol...
Quote: FrGambleOr better yet get rid of pornography and stop treating women as objects to be used for pleasure and watch the unwanted pregnancies and STDs plummet.
You do know women enjoy sex as much as men, don't you?
Quote:When a human egg is fertilized by the sacred sperm it has all it needs to become a unique and unrepeatable human person,
No, it doesn't. it needs to attach itself to the uterus, which doesn't always happen, and then it needs to feed off the mother for nine months. If it were self-sufficient the whole dynamic would be completely different.
Quote: Beethoven9thStill comparing human beings to scrambled eggs?!?
Some dude once compared the Kingdom of Heaven to a mustard seed. He made other comparisons you might not think dignified. Granted, he did get crucified eventually.
Not the airline passenger from India who took sick while the plane was near Ireland. She was told you are in a Catholic hospital in a Catholic country and we will place the life of the fetus as paramount to your life. Only once the fetus has died will we treat you even though it is likely by that time that you will soon die also.Quote: Nareed
A woman has a right to determine the use of her own body. This includes the right to end a pregnancy withing certain limits
If you believe the scribblings of ancient folk of unknown veracity. How many contemporary authors would you accept so blindly particularly when they are clearly so ignorant of their world?Quote: rxwineSome dude once compared the Kingdom of Heaven to a mustard seed. He made other comparisons you might not think dignified. Granted, he did get crucified eventually.
Most people don't seem to mind the government peering into their bedrooms and certainly don't mind it peering into someone else's bedroom.Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's the right to privacy which should be debated.
We speak of the right of privacy but rarely honor it in practice.
Oh my god, now you're comparing yourself to............?!?!?Quote: rxwineSome dude once compared the Kingdom of Heaven to a mustard seed. He made other comparisons you might not think dignified. Granted, he did get crucified eventually.
Geez, I can't even finish the statement because it's so ridiculous.
Quote: rxwineLikewise if I walk across the yard tomorrow and squash a viable acorn, I didn't kill a mighty oak. Nor is it the same as killing 200 hundred year old tree for every acorn I crush.
Tell this to an Ent and you might get a different response.
Or just change your example to something that we all value a little more than a mighty oak. If you walk across the yard today and squash a little kitten you didn't see, you did indeed kill an innocent little cat and would feel awful.
Obviously it must be mentioned since it's the basis for the compromise for Roe.Quote: FleaStiffMost people don't seem to mind the government peering into their bedrooms and certainly don't mind it peering into someone else's bedroom.
We speak of the right of privacy but rarely honor it in practice.
Very Very serious and heinous crime
Juan Leon-Gomez has been arrested and being held on 1 million bond
Little Girl is just 11 years old but due to Ohio Law, she is forced to carry the child to birth even though she was raped
That's F**ked up
https://buckeyestate.news/2019/05/03/police-ohio-man-raped-11-year-old-who-is-now-pregnant/?fbclid=IwAR3hjX7l8njphXSAVl740Bs-3f4FKL3Jx_UsHJG5WpfSq5pHoo2iU_aO_U8&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
When people are pro-life but make an exception for "incest or rape", to me, their argument that they are pro-life goes out the window as, if the fetus is considered a life, why should it matter to them the circumstances of conception? a life is a life is a life, right?
Right. This is how the situation riling up Terapined comes about. There are two innocent victims, the rape victim and the fetus. Who advocates for the life of the fetus?Quote: aceofspadesWithout taking a position on pro-life/pro-choice, I have the following question:
When people are pro-life but make an exception for "incest or rape", to me, their argument that they are pro-life goes out the window as, if the fetus is considered a life, why should it matter to them the circumstances of conception? a life is a life is a life, right?
Quote: aceofspadesWithout taking a position on pro-life/pro-choice, I have the following question:
When people are pro-life but make an exception for "incest or rape", to me, their argument that they are pro-life goes out the window as, if the fetus is considered a life, why should it matter to them the circumstances of conception? a life is a life is a life, right?
That's why "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are stupid terms. They're too black and white and are not even complementary. Someone can be "pro-life" in that they would never get an abortion or hurt another living creature, but they can also be "pro-choice" in that they would never tell someone else what they should do with their body.
As far as an 11 year old getting pregnant, that can't be good physically for either the girl or the baby/fetus, and definitely not good for the girl mentally. It would seem an abortion in that case is the lesser of two evils, rather than ruin an 11 year old's life and then throw another child that nobody asked for into the welfare system.
Without revealing my opinion on the issue (which I know is the right one), the bottom line is this:
Attention pro-life/anti abortion folks- YOU LOST, and that was 46 years ago ! Move on and find a current issue to take a side on.
Quote: TigerWuThat's why "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are stupid terms. They're too black and white and are not even complementary. Someone can be "pro-life" in that they would never get an abortion or hurt another living creature, but they can also be "pro-choice" in that they would never tell someone else what they should do with their body.
As far as an 11 year old getting pregnant, that can't be good physically for either the girl or the baby/fetus, and definitely not good for the girl mentally. It would seem an abortion in that case is the lesser of two evils, rather than ruin an 11 year old's life and then throw another child that nobody asked for into the welfare system.
I think it comes down to what value do we, as the law makers, place on human life? A pregnant 11 year-old may face mental/emotional challenges as well as for sure physical risk carrying to term, but is it "better" to end the life of a child that is technically half hers? Who advocates for the rights of the fetus? It's not the fetus' fault for being conceived. Why should they have to die for the crimes of another?
Iran has captured 100 hostages. All frozen fertilized eggs kept in a difficult to enter military installation. Would you risk the lives of a rescue team to get them out in a military operation?
Quote: rxwine(Taking the Catholic view- it's a human at conception with standard rights)
Iran has captured 100 hostages. All frozen fertilized eggs kept in a difficult to enter military installation. Would you risk the lives of a rescue team to get them out in a military operation?
Is one of them Baby Thanos?
Quote: AyecarumbaI think it comes down to what value do we, as the law makers, place on human life? A pregnant 11 year-old may face mental/emotional challenges as well as for sure physical risk carrying to term, but is it "better" to end the life of a child that is technically half hers? Who advocates for the rights of the fetus? It's not the fetus' fault for being conceived. Why should they have to die for the crimes of another?
Not that I'm taking this position, but who says a fetus even deserves rights?
Quote: AyecarumbaIs one of them Baby Thanos?
No spoilers! I haven't seen Endgame yet.... :D
Quote: TigerWuThat's why "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are stupid terms. They're too black and white and are not even complementary. Someone can be "pro-life" in that they would never get an abortion or hurt another living creature, but they can also be "pro-choice" in that they would never tell someone else what they should do with their body.
Most of the "pro-choice" crowd is really pro-abortion. I have shown here several times how they celebrate abortion. Having an abortion is becoming how a modern feminist makes her bones. How she gets respect of other feminists.
Taking out the micro-minority who cause abortion clinic violence, the pro-life crowd seems more laid back. I hand it to them, they were there, rain or shine, right outside the abortion clinic exclusion zone. Either praying or handing out literature. The only time they made "noise" was an evening rally when the place was closed and most of town was emptying out. Guy there politely told me what was going on, I told him I supported his cause. I had to walk past the place 2-6 times a day, the literature was way less aggressive than the Vegas porn-slappers.
IMHO if "pro-choice" was about choice they would not be so against offering advice on adoption.
I do not doubt some people who call themselves "pro-choice" just want a legal alternative or less government control. But they are not the ones rallying.
Based on the pro-life and pro-choice women I have met I can say that despite I never wanted kids the pro-life ones would make far better wives.
Quote: AZDuffmanMost of the "pro-choice" crowd is really pro-abortion. I have shown here several times how they celebrate abortion. Having an abortion is becoming how a modern feminist makes her bones. How she gets respect of other feminists.
Taking out the micro-minority who cause abortion clinic violence, the pro-life crowd seems more laid back. I hand it to them, they were there, rain or shine, right outside the abortion clinic exclusion zone. Either praying or handing out literature. The only time they made "noise" was an evening rally when the place was closed and most of town was emptying out. Guy there politely told me what was going on, I told him I supported his cause. I had to walk past the place 2-6 times a day, the literature was way less aggressive than the Vegas porn-slappers.
IMHO if "pro-choice" was about choice they would not be so against offering advice on adoption.
I do not doubt some people who call themselves "pro-choice" just want a legal alternative or less government control. But they are not the ones rallying.
Based on the pro-life and pro-choice women I have met I can say that despite I never wanted kids the pro-life ones would make far better wives.
Gee, here you are again, stomping into a nuanced discussion with name-calling and anti-woman stereotyping. No surprise there.
No, there is not an 11 year old rape victim on this planet who deserves to be put through months of pregnancy for a child she had no choice in conceiving, let alone a lifetime burden prolonged by either the baby being brought to term for adoption or family inclusion.
The part that boggles my mind is that any man, politician or voter, thinks they should get to decide instead of that child, her parents, and her physician. How you can claim the authority for forced birth without taking any responsibility for the mother or the child is just reprehensible.
If one of THOSE parties to the baby wants to take the child to term, including the 11 year old, fine. THAT'S what choice means. Those who WILL have the means and the desire to raise the child have chosen to have it. Conversely, if the child, her parents, and the doctor find it's better for the child to have a safe, legal abortion, that's up to them as well. Not to politicians. Not to uninvolved 3rd parties.
Quote: beachbumbabsGee, here you are again, stomping into a nuanced discussion with name-calling and anti-woman stereotyping. No surprise there.
No, there is not an 11 year old rape victim on this planet who deserves to be put through months of pregnancy for a child she had no choice in conceiving, let alone a lifetime burden prolonged by either the baby being brought to term for adoption or family inclusion.
The part that boggles my mind is that any man, politician or voter, thinks they should get to decide instead of that child, her parents, and her physician. How you can claim the authority for forced birth without taking any responsibility for the mother or the child is just reprehensible.
If one of THOSE parties to the baby wants to take the child to term, including the 11 year old, fine. THAT'S what choice means. Those who WILL have the means and the desire to raise the child have chosen to have it. Conversely, if the child, her parents, and the doctor find it's better for the child to have a safe, legal abortion, that's up to them as well. Not to politicians. Not to uninvolved 3rd parties.
Who is speaking for the right to life for the fetus? Granted, the fetus may not be wanted by the rape victim nor her family, but should the fetus have to die because it is not wanted by a few individuals?
Quote: beachbumbabsIf one of THOSE parties to the baby wants to take the child to term, including the 11 year old, fine. THAT'S what choice means.
Maybe they need to see a different example.
Pro-choice taxes would mean you get to pay or not pay. Why would you argue that pro-choice taxes is just a front for trying to make you really pay taxes? In fact, it's a hell of a lot better than what we have now, if you really hate paying taxes.
Quote: beachbumbabsGee, here you are again, stomping into a nuanced discussion with name-calling and anti-woman stereotyping. No surprise there.
Calling out women who brag and cheer about their abortions is not "anti-woman." It is just reporting on their behavior.
Quote:No, there is not an 11 year old rape victim on this planet who deserves to be put through months of pregnancy for a child she had no choice in conceiving, let alone a lifetime burden prolonged by either the baby being brought to term for adoption or family inclusion.
The part that boggles my mind is that any man, politician or voter, thinks they should get to decide instead of that child, her parents, and her physician. How you can claim the authority for forced birth without taking any responsibility for the mother or the child is just reprehensible.
If one of THOSE parties to the baby wants to take the child to term, including the 11 year old, fine. THAT'S what choice means. Those who WILL have the means and the desire to raise the child have chosen to have it. Conversely, if the child, her parents, and the doctor find it's better for the child to have a safe, legal abortion, that's up to them as well. Not to politicians. Not to uninvolved 3rd parties.
I don't see where I said I was against a choice for the 11 year old.
I merely pointed out that the real term for most "pro-choice" folks is "pro-abortion." I politely and professionally told of the behavior I saw at a local abortion clinic, and contrasted it to the video I posted last week of women dancing and singing to celebrate their abortions, telling how great an experience it was. That is their words, not mine.
The sad case of the 11 year old is a case where an abortion is desirable. But a society celebrating abortion is a sickly society. The higher the abortion rate the more a society is in decline.
I support the right to abortion (but not partial birth abortions**) because it is a way to slow population growth while not violating the rights of individuals.
Eventually, the governments of Earth are going to need to take some measure to limit birth rates (or population overall). Maybe 50 years from now, maybe 100 years from now. . .who knows? But the ensuing debate will make this abortion debate look like what it is - an argument on the fringe.
Another ugly truth: Planned Parenthood was originally started as a way to depopulate the black race in the United States. So, the abortion rights movement has an ugly, racist history. Still, I support abortion as a practical matter, as a necessary evil.
** too barbaric.
Quote: gordonm888The terrible truth is that there too many people on Earth and its population will continue to grow to the point that some types of population control will become necessary. Many of our problems, such as climate change and hunger, originate from over-population.
I support the right to abortion (but not partial birth abortions**) because it is a way to slow population growth while not violating the rights of individuals.
Eventually, the governments of Earth are going to need to take some measure to limit birth rates (or population overall). Maybe 50 years from now, maybe 100 years from now. . .who knows? But the ensuing debate will make this abortion debate look like what it is - an argument on the fringe.
There will be no need. We have about 100 years to zero population growth then decline will happen quickly. The developed world is already at zero growth birthrate. More and more nations and societies will soon follow.
Quote: AZDuffmanMost of the "pro-choice" crowd is really pro-abortion. I have shown here several times how they celebrate abortion. Having an abortion is becoming how a modern feminist makes her bones. How she gets respect of other feminists.
The extremists make the loudest noise. Radical left-wing feminists are not the majority of the pro-choice crowd. Of the women I've known that have actually had abortions, not a single one of them "celebrated" it. Only one was more or less indifferent to it. All the rest have said it was one of the worst and most difficult decisions they ever had to make in their life.
Quote:IMHO if "pro-choice" was about choice they would not be so against offering advice on adoption.
What makes you think they haven't already gotten all the advice they need and have already weighed all the options? A woman walking into a clinic on her way to an abortion is more than likely past the point of needing any new information. That's like walking up to somebody in a McDonald's after they have already placed their order and saying, "Hey, you want to go get some Burger King instead?"
Pro-lifers protesting at clinics are coming at it from the wrong angle. If pro-lifers were really against abortion, they would be campaigning non-stop and fighting for funding for comprehensive sex education in public and private schools, as well as free or low-cost birth control available to anyone who asks for it. They should be throwing money at Planned Parenthood and other free clinics and offering medically accurate and non-theistic sex education classes for free at their churches. That should be their number one priority for reducing abortions.
Quote:I do not doubt some people who call themselves "pro-choice" just want a legal alternative or less government control. But they are not the ones rallying.
Right, and this goes back to what I said above -- the extremists are the ones making the loudest noise. For every "feminist" that is "celebrating" at a pro-choice rally, there are probably hundreds or thousands of people who stayed at home because they're not being lunatics about it and they just want the government out of their vagina so they speak their mind at the voting booth.
Quote:Based on the pro-life and pro-choice women I have met I can say that despite I never wanted kids the pro-life ones would make far better wives.
Of course they would, because you share values with them. The abortion stance is only one small part of it. For example, most pro-life people are usually conservative, Christian (or at least religious), older demographic, have "traditional" American values, etc. That's why they would make a "far better wife" for you. Because you probably share those values. A strongly conservative, evangelical Christian woman would make a terrible wife for me. The women that would make "far better wives" for me are most likely pro-choice, because we share many other values. So what you're saying isn't even really an argument against pro-choice.
Quote: AZDuffmanThere will be no need. We have about 100 years to zero population growth then decline will happen quickly. The developed world is already at zero growth birthrate. More and more nations and societies will soon follow.
Define zero growth birthrate.
Quote: billryanDefine zero growth birthrate.
<2.0 births per woman over the woman's life. Actually about <2.1 per woman.
Quote: AZDuffman<2.0 births per woman over the woman's life. Actually about <2.1 per woman.
I don't see any chart that tracks that. Birth rate is usually described as live births per 1,000 people. Could you link a chart that gives your information. It's doesn't make any sense to measure like that. A women imigrates and has three kids. How does it matter if she had three kids before or after she came.
Quote: TigerWuThe extremists make the loudest noise. Radical left-wing feminists are not the majority of the pro-choice crowd. Of the women I've known that have actually had abortions, not a single one of them "celebrated" it. Only one was more or less indifferent to it. All the rest have said it was one of the worst and most difficult decisions they ever had to make in their life.
They are the majority of the pro-choice demonstrators. The ones who say it was a "worst and most difficult choice" get drowned out and even laughed at by the modern feminists.
Quote:What makes you think they haven't already gotten all the advice they need and have already weighed all the options? A woman walking into a clinic on her way to an abortion is more than likely past the point of needing any new information. That's like walking up to somebody in a McDonald's after they have already placed their order and saying, "Hey, you want to go get some Burger King instead?"
I do not buy that. IMHO she is more likely going to the clinic to check her options. As Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill and that is where they get their revenue. the information is not going to be the most objective.
Quote:Pro-lifers protesting at clinics are coming at it from the wrong angle. If pro-lifers were really against abortion, they would be campaigning non-stop and fighting for funding for comprehensive sex education in public and private schools, as well as free or low-cost birth control available to anyone who asks for it. They should be throwing money at Planned Parenthood and other free clinics and offering medically accurate and non-theistic sex education classes for free at their churches. That should be their number one priority for reducing abortions.
We already have sex ed in public schools. And thanks to the left it is mostly, "here, take some condoms and have a wild night!" I would not at all call the sentries there "protestors." They quietly offer information. They rarely even speak unless spoken to. There is an exclusion zone so they cannot block the entrance. BTW: Churches are not for "sex education." Though some happens, to balance the "if it feels good, do it!" message society gives.
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Of course they would, because you share values with them. The abortion stance is only one small part of it. For example, most pro-life people are usually conservative, Christian (or at least religious), older demographic, have "traditional" American values, etc. That's why they would make a "far better wife" for you. Because you probably share those values. A strongly conservative, evangelical Christian woman would make a terrible wife for me. The women that would make "far better wives" for me are most likely pro-choice, because we share many other values. So what you're saying isn't even really an argument against pro-choice.
The values are only part of it. The pro-abortion chicks would make awful wives because they are both selfish and crazy. Did you see the video? Also, like most modern feminists, it is easy to see they hate men. There is nothing feminine about them. Smart men don't want to be around that. Oh, guys will sleep with them as they are probably an easy score, another reason they would make awful wives. But only the most beta of males are going to want to be around them.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey are the majority of the pro-choice demonstrators. The ones who say it was a "worst and most difficult choice" get drowned out and even laughed at by the modern feminists.
Right. And the radical feminists, although a majority of the demonstrators, are in the MINORITY when it comes to pro-choice overall. We're not in disagreement here.
Quote:As Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill and that is where they get their revenue.
Factually incorrect. Only 3.4% of PP's services involve abortion. Almost 50% is STI testing and treatment. Almost 30% is contraception. Another 20% is other women's health services and cancer screening.
Furthermore, almost 75% of their revenue comes from private donations or government reimbursements or grants. Barely more than 20% of their revenue comes from the above mentioned services, of which abortion is almost a rounding error. PP could completely nix abortions and it would barely make a dent in their bottom line.
Come on, dude. The information is out there and readily available. No need to spew Infowars conspiracy theory talking points.
Quote:We already have sex ed in public schools. And thanks to the left it is mostly, "here, take some condoms and have a wild night!" I would not at all call the sentries there "protestors." They quietly offer information. They rarely even speak unless spoken to. There is an exclusion zone so they cannot block the entrance. BTW: Churches are not for "sex education." Though some happens, to balance the "if it feels good, do it!" message society gives.
I'm glad we agree that there is a serious problem with the way sex education is presented to our youth and the American public in general. This is something the pro-life crowd should be trying to fix.
Quote:The values are only part of it. The pro-abortion chicks would make awful wives because they are both selfish and crazy. Did you see the video? Also, like most modern feminists, it is easy to see they hate men. There is nothing feminine about them. Smart men don't want to be around that. Oh, guys will sleep with them as they are probably an easy score, another reason they would make awful wives. But only the most beta of males are going to want to be around them.
You keep going on an on about crazy leftist feminists. I'm not talking about them. We've already established they're crazy loudmouths that don't speak for the majority. I'm talking about the 95% of pro-choice women who aren't like that that you never see in crazy clickbait rally videos on youtube.
Quote: AZDuffmanAs Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill and that is where they get their revenue. the information is not going to be the most objective
Really? Which pro-life center gives all the options?
Quote: TigerWu
You keep going on an on about crazy leftist feminists. I'm not talking about them. We've already established they're crazy loudmouths that don't speak for the majority.
AZ ALWAYS uses the extremists on the left. Those are the only people AZ pays attention to.
Although nobody here on this board on the left hates chic a fil
Yet
AZ says EVRYBODY on the left hates chic a fil.
Why bother, you come at him with logic, he counters with extremists on the left which is absurd and illogical. Thats why I block him
By the way, forcing an 11 year old to go to term in a pregnancy is cruel and unusual punishment. Let her have the abortion so she can run around the playground as she is just a child.
Quote: TigerWuRight. And the radical feminists, although a majority of the demonstrators, are in the MINORITY when it comes to pro-choice overall. We're not in disagreement here.
You are completely missing the point. We are not saying "how many people in the USA are pro-choice and how many are radical?" I am talking about PEOPLE IN THE MOVEMENT. And the movement is majority crazy feminists being proud of their abortions. The movement is what matters.
Quote:Factually incorrect. Only 3.4% of PP's services involve abortion. Almost 50% is STI testing and treatment. Almost 30% is contraception. Another 20% is other women's health services and cancer screening.
Furthermore, almost 75% of their revenue comes from private donations or government reimbursements or grants. Barely more than 20% of their revenue comes from the above mentioned services, of which abortion is almost a rounding error. PP could completely nix abortions and it would barely make a dent in their bottom line.
Good grief I am tired of this conversation. PP is AN ABORTION MILL! That is their purpose for being. The rest can be done at any doctor's office. That PP has add-on services does not change that their purpose for being is abortion.
Quote:You keep going on an on about crazy leftist feminists. I'm not talking about them. We've already established they're crazy loudmouths that don't speak for the majority. I'm talking about the 95% of pro-choice women who aren't like that that you never see in crazy clickbait rally videos on youtube.
Repeating the above. I am not talking about the position of the general population and their positions. I am talking about the movement. Ever been on a site like eHarmony? It will ask "what is your position on abortion?" Then "how important is it to you?" The second might be rated 1-5 scale.
What I am saying is the women that say it is 4 or 5 (i.e.: most important) in favor of pro-choice, if you are a man, run the other way. Never date this type of woman. Don't even be friends. Don't even talk with them in the break room at work. Professional discussion only. Unless you are a beta who does not mind being dominated at every turn, life around them will be a living hell.
