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December 25th, 2013 at 2:12:39 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Very good then.



Why do you make forum post that contribute nothing? If you just want to increase post count you could have saved time by posting a blank message.
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December 25th, 2013 at 2:33:00 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Why do you make forum post that contribute nothing?


I do make such posts. You just ignore them and change the subject.
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December 25th, 2013 at 2:39:18 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Why do you make forum post that contribute nothing? If you just want to increase post count you could have saved time by posting a blank message.

That reminds me. I've been wanting to start a cat and dog picture thread.
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December 25th, 2013 at 2:40:21 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

That reminds me. I've been wanting to start a cat and dog picture thread.



You should. That would contribute some humor and give B9 a place to raise his post count.
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December 25th, 2013 at 2:40:22 PM permalink
Really B9 most of your post in this thread have been insulting me or just posting racist things Democrats have said. You've contributed basically no thoughtful analysis of the effects this would have.
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December 25th, 2013 at 3:43:02 PM permalink
There is no free market at work here, boys and girls. The government passed a law to open a casino in the New York market. There is no free market at work here. If it were a convenience store or a Walmart it would be subject to free markets. But Resorts World was essentially handed the right to print money by the government of New York State. Because the government gave ResortsWorld the right to open a casino in the heart of the country's biggest market, the government can also dictate the wages that its workers are going to receive.

I support living wages for unskilled workers. The landscape of jobs in the country has changed. The country needs a middle class so that they can afford to keep the economy going and not suck at the teat of the government.
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December 25th, 2013 at 5:00:22 PM permalink
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The problem with all this talk is people are assuming there is this odd dichotomy either we have to leave things exactly as they are with super high income inequality or we have to have everyone earn exactly the same. Thats silly no one in the US is suggesting that a CEO should earn exactly the same as someone working in McDonalds. People are simply arguing maybe he doesn't need to earn 100,000x as much maybe he can be happy only having 1 or 2 megayachts.



I'd really like to see some more discussion on this good post from way too many pages ago.
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December 25th, 2013 at 5:52:46 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

I'd really like to see some more discussion on this good post from way too many pages ago.



Nothing to discuss. They guys who get paid a
lot usually deserve it, like it or don't. That's
why capitalism works everywhere it's tried.
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December 25th, 2013 at 6:12:16 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Nothing to discuss. They guys who get paid a
lot usually deserve it, like it or don't. That's
why capitalism works everywhere it's tried.



Well this is just wrong what about the large number of leisurely rich, a thing that was feared would happen. Also Laissez faire capitalism has had many problems throughout its history. I mean even if you don't think massive wealth inequality is a problem what about all the problems lack of regulation created. Though it is foolish to just neglect wealth inequality which has been shown to lead to a number of negative societal effects like increase in crime rate.
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December 25th, 2013 at 6:14:38 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo



I support living wages for unskilled workers. The landscape of jobs in the country has changed. The country needs a middle class so that they can afford to keep the economy going and not suck at the teat of the government.



Unskilled workers have never been "middle class." They have always been the entry rung to society. After you get some skills you move up the wage ladder. You are not entitled to a "living wage" just because you exist and work. You start at the bottom while living at home, or if your family life is bad you live with a few roommates. As you work you learn new skills THEN you get a so-called living wage.
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December 25th, 2013 at 6:30:49 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Unskilled workers have never been "middle class." They have always been the entry rung to society. After you get some skills you move up the wage ladder. You are not entitled to a "living wage" just because you exist and work. You start at the bottom while living at home, or if your family life is bad you live with a few roommates. As you work you learn new skills THEN you get a so-called living wage.



The problem though is real minimum wage has been declining since the 60s even though there has been a massive increase in worker productivity. Even an increase to 10 an hour would only put it back to 68 levels. Again wages get to low and it becomes increasingly difficult to move up. If someone needs to work 60+ hours to support themselves it becomes nearly impossible for them to go to college or a trade school to improve their lot in life. Add a continuing push to gut vocational training programs and remove student financial aid and it basically becomes impossible for anyone to move from minimum wage once they start in that position unless they have family with money to help them.
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December 25th, 2013 at 7:56:01 PM permalink
So B9 now that it wouldn't detract from a real thread are you willing to admit that Rush has said racist things? I've clearly pointed to many of them and you kept abstaining not wanting to muddle the old thread or let me distract from it. New thread so perfect chance to answer.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:20:28 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Really B9 most of your post in this thread have been insulting me or just posting racist things Democrats have said.

That's funny. Proving you wrong is now labeled "insulting". lol...


Quote: Twirdman

So B9 now that it wouldn't detract from a real thread are you willing to admit that Rush has said racist things?

Still don't know what your point is. Everybody has said racist things at some point in their lives. EVERYBODY. That includes even Obama. Yet you only want to talk about conservatives.

Oh well, you obviously enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice, so that's fine.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:34:25 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

That's funny. Proving you wrong is now labeled "insulting". lol...


Still don't know what your point is. Everybody has said racist things at some point in their lives. EVERYBODY. That includes even Obama. Yet you only want to talk about conservatives.

Oh well, you obviously enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice, so that's fine.



OK not insulting then what was the purpose of the veiled allusions to my sexuality? Or continually trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out Rush Limbaugh has continually said racist things and yet I won't call Democrats racist even though I clearly called out many for doing racist things. Yet you want to defend Rush for the racist things he does. The simple fact is Rush Limbaugh and many people in the Republican party do and say racist things.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:38:28 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

OK not insulting then what was the purpose of the veiled allusions to my sexuality? Or continually trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out Rush Limbaugh has continually said racist things

It's all in your head. There were no "veiled allusions", and nothing was "implied". Get a grip, man.


Quote: Twirdman

The simple fact is Rush Limbaugh and many people in the Republican party do and say racist things.

Out of 280 posts, you haven't once said, "The simple fact is Harry Reid and many people in the Democrat party do and say racist things."

Why not? Hmm...
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:40:19 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

It's all in your head. There were no "veiled allusions", and nothing was "implied". Get a grip, man.


Out of 280 posts, you haven't once said, "The simple fact is Harry Reid and many people in the Democrat party do and say racist things."

Why not? Hmm...



What do you mean I said that both Rosie O'Donnell's and Biden's statements were incredibly ignorant and racist. So your turn did Rush say incredibly racist things.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:43:36 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

He is one of the major things wrong with this country.



If Rush Limbaugh is one of the major things wrong with the US, your problems are probably easily solved.

Limbaugh is paid for Right wing clown. That's his job. He's the court jester for the conservatives. He says what people are thinking but wouldn't dare say out loud. He caper and clowns, rants and raves, froths and foams, and gets applause from some and tomatoes from others. If he -didn't- get various groups riled up, he'd not be worth the money he makes.

He used to wind me up, until I realized a) don't have to listen to him and b) he's meant to get that reaction.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:46:39 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

What do you mean I said that both Rosie O'Donnell's and Biden's statements were incredibly ignorant and racist.


...after _I_ brought them up. Not you. And I wouldn't have even bothered bringing up their racism if you hadn't gone off on your silly Rush rant.

Like I said before, in 280+ posts you've never brought up (on your own) any racist Democrats. Not once.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:54:27 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

...after _I_ brought them up. Not you. And I wouldn't have even bothered bringing up their racism if you hadn't gone off on your silly Rush rant.

Like I said before, in 280+ posts you've never brought up (on your own) any racist Democrats. Not once.



OK almost all of the former Dixiecrats were racist. Spike Lee has also made some incredibly racist remarks about Uncle Toms. Again though none of this excuses the bad things Republicans do. Saying I know you are but what am I is not a valid defense and neither is well he did it first. Rush said terribly offensive and racist things why won't you admit that.

Also I'm not asking you to bring up your own racist Republican just asking you to admit Rush continually says racist things just like I admitted the other statements were racist.
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December 25th, 2013 at 8:59:31 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Spike Lee has also made some incredibly racist remarks about Uncle Toms.

Very good.

BTW, you're reading too much into Rush's comments. Guys like Chris Rock say racist things, but no one ever complains about them. Ever. They shouldn't complain about Rush either.

I don't feel it's necessary to comment on either Rock's comments or Rush's comments because they are ultimately irrelevant. Plus, it will only encourage you to hijack more threads in the future.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:04:44 PM permalink
Rush is paid to be provocative, he's an entertainer and
he admits it. He could read the phone book and make
it sound interesting. He says out loud what a lot of people
want to hear. Take him for what he is.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:08:59 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Very good.

BTW, you're reading too much into Rush's comments. Guys like Chris Rock say racist things, but no one ever complains about them. Ever. They shouldn't complain about Rush either.

I don't feel it's necessary to comment on either Rock's comments or Rush's comments because they are ultimately irrelevant. Plus, it will only encourage you to hijack more threads in the future.



Yeah Chris Rock fashions himself a comedian. Rush fashions himself a kingmaker of the Republican party so not equivalent. Leeway is granted for comedians that is not what Rush bills himself as. Guys like Ted Cruz praise him and listen to him. No one worries about losing an election because of a joke Chris Rock says. So no the two are not at all remotely comparable. I mean you didn't refer to Rush as funny you referred to him as eloquent and someone who knows what they are talking about. Obviously knew you were right though you just won't admit Rush has said incredibly racist and offensive things. Why do you feel so compelled to defend him.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:16:10 PM permalink
It's almost like a religion to me. Everything has to be compartmentalized, everything has to be bent to fit, renamed or thought of differently to back up the philosophy. You listen, you learn to repeat exactly what you hear and respond the way you've heard to respond. You basically just don't listen to what you hear. One thing you don't want to ever happen is allow yourself to be questioned or cross examined. It's the agenda which runs the story.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:16:48 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Rush fashions himself a kingmaker of the Republican party

Where did he say that? Genuinely curious.


Quote: Twirdman

you referred to him as eloquent

Yeah, and I've said that about many other people as well. For example, George Carlin is/was eloquent. Obama himself is eloquent.

I disagree with both guys' views, but I never feel the need to go off on a silly, childish rant whenever someone uses the word "eloquent" to describe them. You really have some issues, man.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:42:42 PM permalink
You said he knows what he is talking about and all he talks about is politics so clearly you agree with his views on that. Also about him being a kingmaker and leading direction of Republican party he calls himself your guiding light.

Saying some is eloquent is a fine compliment and can be used for people you disagree with like Reagan was a very good and eloquent speaker who was wrong. You say someone knows what they're talking about though you are saying you agree with them since if you didn't agree with them you would think they were wrong and hence clearly wouldn't think they know what they were talking about.

I have a question though why do you seem so intent on defending his racism.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:47:11 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

You said he knows what he is talking about .



He does know what he's talking about, that's a
fact. You don't stay on the air 22 years by lying
a lot. That's what happened to Airhead America,
the short lived Lib show that was supposed to
bury Rush. So many lies and misdirections that
they even disgusted the Left.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:47:40 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

You said he knows what he is talking about and all he talks about is politics so clearly you agree with his views on that.

Why are you so obsessed with Rush Limbaugh? You have some sort of unhealthy fixation on him.


Quote: Twirdman

Also about him being a kingmaker and leading direction of Republican party he calls himself your guiding light.

He never said he was a "kingmaker of the Republican party". Those are your words, not his.


Quote: Twirdman

You say someone knows what they're talking about though you are saying you agree with them

You read way too much into people's words. Sometimes people just mean exactly what they say.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:53:07 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Why are you so obsessed with Rush Limbaugh? You have some sort of unhealthy fixation on him.


He never said he was a "kingmaker of the Republican party". Those are your words, not his.


You read way too much into people's words. Sometimes people just mean exactly what they say.



If you don't agree with him how does he know what he's talking about. Do you just choose to agree with the person who doesn't know what they're talking about. Also "Your guiding light is his words." Also kingmaker is the name of many conservatives both politicians and non alike.

Again though why can't you just admit he is racist. This whole thread is devoted to Rush so I'm talking about Rush in it and how Rush is incredibly offensive and racist. I'm not fixated on him I'm just not letting you deny reality. He has said numerous incredibly racist things.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:56:22 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Also "Your guiding light is his words."

Thank you. He never said "kingmaker of the Republican party". Don't fib next time.


Quote: Twirdman

He has said numerous incredibly racist things.

So has everybody else in the world, including Barack Obama. Big deal.
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December 25th, 2013 at 9:59:57 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Thank you. He never said "kingmaker of the Republican party". Don't fib next time.


So has everybody else in the world, including Barack Obama. Big deal.



Again saying everyone else does it is not a defense. Also you claimed Obama playing the race card is racist when it simply is not inherently. As for the others you notice I never defended any of those saying well everyone says racist things so you know what they get a pass. Someone says something racist you call him on it. Rush said racist things so you call him out on it.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:01:38 PM permalink
I'm a centrist so everybody hates me. Sigh. I think Rush is mild compared to Glen Beck. I was listening to Beck one day and he was trying to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, for Christsakes.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:07:13 PM permalink
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I'm a centrist so everybody hates me. Sigh. I think Rush is mild compared to Glen Beck. I was listening to Beck one day and he was trying to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, for Christsakes.



Sadly that is more common than you think now a days but yeah Glenn Beck is totally nuts. Rush is bad but yeah Glenn Beck is worse. But thats like comparing a flu to ebola. Both are bad.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:08:30 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

I'm a centrist so everybody hates me. Sigh. I think Rush is mild compared to Glen Beck. I was listening to Beck one day and he was trying to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, for Christsakes.



McCarthy had the right idea, he just went overboard
with it. We were crawling with commies in the 50's and
they had to be rooted out. Too many spies.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:25:09 PM permalink
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McCarthy had the right idea, he just went overboard
with it. We were crawling with commies in the 50's and
they had to be rooted out. Too many spies.



Really. He ruined people's lives because he was paranoid. Yeah there were some soviet spies but that doesn't justify punishing random people.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:27:38 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Really. He ruined people's lives because he was paranoid. Yeah there were some soviet spies but that doesn't justify punishing random people.



What did I just say, he went overboard with it.
What do you think going overboard means.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:31:13 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

What did I just say, he went overboard with it.
What do you think going overboard means.



Any amount is overboard. Yes we should try and find spies but everything about the way he did it was wrong. It wasn't a matter of excess, the way he started about it was wrong. I mean again you don't just capriciously punish people.

I mean besides wanting to find spies, which anyone tries to do, what did he do right.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:40:24 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman



I mean besides wanting to find spies, which anyone tries to do, what did he do right.



Ann Coulter wrote a book about it, read it and learn something.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:41:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

What did I just say, he went overboard with it.
What do you think going overboard means.


I have a feeling Twird is some 25-year-old kid who has the world figured out already.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:42:20 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Again saying everyone else does it is not a defense


How long are you going to keep this thread going with your unhealthy Limbaugh obsession?
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:44:53 PM permalink
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How long are you going to keep this thread going with your unhealthy Limbaugh obsession?



You mean how long am I going to talk about the subject of the thread whether Rush Limbaugh is a racist, as long as the thread continues.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:49:36 PM permalink
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...as long as the thread continues.


This "thread" is a spin-off because you couldn't control yourself from going off topic in the "living wage" thread. Are all of you people like this?
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:52:11 PM permalink
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This "thread" is a spin-off because you couldn't control yourself from going off topic in the "living wage" thread. Are all of you people like this?



What do you mean by you people? Also exactly this thread is a spin-off meant to talk about whether Rush Limbaugh is a racist so I'm talking about Rush being a racist. Also why is thread in quotes it quite clearly is a thread.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:53:49 PM permalink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Like I said before, you guys just like to hear yourselves talk.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:54:42 PM permalink
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Like I said before, you guys just like to hear yourselves talk.



Why do you keep saying you guys or you people what are you getting at.
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December 25th, 2013 at 10:57:25 PM permalink
*headshake*

The more I learn about you guys, the more I have to shake my head. Anyway, this thread is getting old. Later.
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December 25th, 2013 at 11:02:17 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

*headshake*

The more I learn about you guys, the more I have to shake my head. Anyway, this thread is getting old. Later.



Who wants to bet all of this another veiled insult about my sexuality. He seemed insistent on not specifying even though I asked him for clarification and don't know what group I belong to where he wouldn't just use the name, like liberal has no problem calling people that. B9 constantly does this have no idea why he is obsessed with my sexuality. Asked me close to half a dozen times or more about it.
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December 25th, 2013 at 11:05:30 PM permalink
Both and over-medicated.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
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December 25th, 2013 at 11:06:46 PM permalink
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...about my sexuality.


What the hell are you talking about? "You guys" means "liberals". DUH!

YOU are the one who keeps bringing up the "asexual" thing, not me. I don't know why you keep bringing up your asexualness and then getting mad when others mention it. *headshake*
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December 25th, 2013 at 11:08:02 PM permalink
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What the hell are you talking about? "You guys" means "liberals". DUH!

YOU are the one who keeps bringing up the "asexual" thing, not me. I don't know why you keep bringing up your asexualness and then getting mad when others mention it. *headshake*



Of course you said you guys when you referred to me as a liberal but other liberals you just say liberals. Let me guess the multiple questions about my community were also about the liberal community right.

The only time I've mentioned it when you clearly didn't casually imply it was when you first asked me whether I was gay. Oh and the multiple times you called me an internet asexual just wanted to clarify you were talking to me even though you quoted me. This time though clearly believe you were talking about being liberal.
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December 25th, 2013 at 11:10:32 PM permalink
Everything needs to be put into context. Most people can do it, so I don't know why you're having such problems. How come you think everything's always about your asexualness anyway? Geez.
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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