Ban Santa Claus from Christmas
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Actually, I kinda agree with ya.
But if you're using song lyrics as your basis of all this, you should check out "Here Comes Fatty Clause"
Quote:Oh, here comes fatty with a sack of shit
Here comes fatty with a sack of shit
Here comes fatty with a sack of shit
And all them stinkin' reindeer
Well, I believe in Santa Claus
Yeah, I believe that he's a prick...
Frankly, I agree with the title of this thread, but not for the reasons you state.
The real problem are all the parents who try to get their kids to believe this crap. Why? Why would anyone bust their ass shopping and working to pay for all this stuff, and then let some stranger take the credit? Whatever happened to the rule, Don't talk to or accept gifts from strangers?
Quote: DJTeddyBearWow, Frank. Get up on the wrong side of the bed?
Actually, I kinda agree with ya.
But if you're using song lyrics as your basis of all this, you should check out "Here Comes Fatty Clause"
Frankly, I agree with the title of this thread, but not for the reasons you state.
The real problem are all the parents who try to get their kids to believe this crap. Why? Why would anyone bust their ass shopping and working to pay for all this stuff, and then let some stranger take the credit? Whatever happened to the rule, Don't talk to or accept gifts from strangers?
not only that but we also teach our kids to lie. Lets keep all these lies going for 7 or 8 years ie. Easter bunny, santa, and tooth fairy.
Hmm, Santa has no parents, a figment of everybodys imagination, and it seems Mega Kelly knows his ethnic background.
As for Jesus being white, i dont think so, he was middle eastern.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/megyn-kelly-santa-white-jesus_n_4431613.html
Quote: terapinedMegan Kelly of Foxnews just anounced that Santa is white.
Hmm, Santa has no parents, a figment of everybodys imagination, and it seems Mega Kelly knows his ethnic background.
As for Jesus being white, i dont think so, he was middle eastern.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/megyn-kelly-santa-white-jesus_n_4431613.html
Good grief! All the images of Santa since his creation have depicted him as a fat white guy. Is there something wrong with him being a white guy? Is Megyn Kelly supposed to say he is not a white guy when every book,movie,plastic light up yard Santa depicts him as a white dude?
Quote: rainmanGood grief! All the images of Santa since his creation have depicted him as a fat white guy. Is there something wrong with him being a white guy? Is Megyn Kelly supposed to say he is not a white guy when every book,movie,plastic light up yard Santa depicts him as a white dude?
Whats next, a Foxnews discussion about Donald Duck being white. lol
I can imagine it now, Megan Kelly saying- OK Kids, I know you have seen alot of small yellow ducks in stores but i need to make sure you kids on clear on this, Donald Duck is white.
Quote: terapinedWhats next, a Foxnews discussion about Donald Duck being white. lol
I wouldn't put it past them, Nor would I put it past the Huff post to have a discussion about Fox's discussion about Donald Duck being white. :)
Quote: rainmanI wouldn't put it past them, Nor would I put it past the Huff post to have a discussion about Fox's discussion about Donald Duck being white. :)
The hard part to understand is why Megan Kelly felt compelled to make the distinction in the first place. Ridiculous.
Santa isn't every color you want him to be. Somebody
has to stop the nonsense. Banning the use of the word
Jesus in some places is ridiculous. Try to make Christmas
into 'the holidays' is ridiculous. I applaud Fox for setting
people straight. Somebody has to draw the line and say
enough with all the nonsense. Don't like Christmas? It's
a national holiday, get congress to change that. Good luck.
Quote: EvenBobTry to make Christmas into 'the holidays' is ridiculous.
Christmas isn't "the holidays" -- Christmas and New Year's are "the holidays." You don't just celebrate the birth of Jesus, do you -- have you forgotten his circumcision 8 days later?
It turns out that 30 years ago, a reliquary said to contain the remnants of Jesus' foreskin was stolen from a church in Italy. Now, one intrepid reporter is investigating:
The Quest for the Holy Foreskin
Wake up. Santa is leading us to a nuclear showdown!
Quote: rainmanGood grief! All the images of Santa since his creation have depicted him as a fat white guy.
Actually I don't think that's true. I recently read (though, admittedly, I never bothered to verify) that the current common depiction of Santa is mostly due to a Coca-Cola ad campaign several decades ago. Before that, Santa was depicted in many different ways -- and generally not fat, and not necessarily with white hair and beard, and not necessarily wearing red.
Hopefully this is true and I'm not just spreading urban legend (still too lazy to verify!)
Welcome back! Been winning lately?Quote: AxiomOfChoiceActually I don't think that's true. I recently read (though, admittedly, I never bothered to verify) that the current common depiction of Santa is mostly due to a Coca-Cola ad campaign several decades ago. Before that, Santa was depicted in many different ways -- and generally not fat, and not necessarily with white hair and beard, and not necessarily wearing red.
Hopefully this is true and I'm not just spreading urban legend (still too lazy to verify!)
And yes, I believe the Coca-Cola story has more than a grain of truth to it.
Quote: teddysWelcome back! Been winning lately?
Thanks! I'm doing ok. Remember that I'm not really an advantage player. If I can lose a little and get some sweet comps I'm happy :) Not that I won't take an advantage if I see one....
How are things with you? Busted any casinos yet?
Quote:And yes, I believe the Coca-Cola story has more than a grain of truth to it.
Good to know!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceActually I don't think that's true. I recently read (though, admittedly, I never bothered to verify) that the current common depiction of Santa is mostly due to a Coca-Cola ad campaign several decades ago. Before that, Santa was depicted in many different ways -- and generally not fat, and not necessarily with white hair and beard, and not necessarily wearing red.
According to Snopes, the "traditional Santa look" started taking shape in the early 1900s. Also, in the poem "A Visit From St. Nicholas" (aka "Twas the Night Before Christmas"), written around 1825, Santa is described as having a beard "as white as the snow" as well as having "a little round belly".
From 1880
From 1920
From 1920
From 1925
Quote: beachbumbabsImages of Santa from 1880 through 1925. Advertising, all pretty much fat and jolly and in a red suit with white fur trim.
Until Haddon Sundblom created the modern Santa for
Coke in 1931, he had no solid image. He was all over the
place looks wise. Sundblom solidified his image over
the years and the original oil paintings of Sundblom's
Santa's that he did for Coke are now worth a fortune.
Quote: terapined
As for Jesus being white, i dont think so, he was middle eastern.
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I'm afraid your wrong. I've seen pictures of Jesus and he was/is definitely white.
Quote: treetopbuddyI'm afraid your wrong. I've seen pictures of Jesus and he was/is definitely white.
WOW, amazing. I've seen a lot of paintings depicting Jesus but never ever a picture.
Hmm, Mormon? They believe he was here in the good ol USA, before we were the USA, preaching to the Indians.
You are teasing us, how about posting that picture or at the very least, a link please.
c1907. He's getting there, but not quite.
Coke Santa from the early 30's. We still see this Santa
80 years later. The power of advertising.
It's more silliness though. Have you noticed in the past year how most commercials include a disproportionate number of blacks? It's the pc-thing these days. As soon as Obama's out they'll replace them with Hispanics.
Quote: FrankScobleteSo is Santa white, be he a mythological figure or not? If so, shouldn't Megyn Kelly get an apology from the PC crowd?
If local neighborhoods used local people to occasionally play Santa, then not every Santa character has been played by a white person. But I don't know if that counts.
There is nothing new under the sun. Santa as we know him today is a mythical construct bodged together from previous mythical constructs. A pinch of Sinterklaas (Dutch), a touch of Odin (German), a dash of Tomte (Scandinavian), simmer for 800 years, *poof* - Santa Claus.
Dutch, German, Scandinavian, Greek, English... if this was your genetic makeup, you'd be white.
Deal with it. If you can't, then have your black Santa, or your Asian Santa, or your hispanic Santa, whatever. If the color of your pretend person keeps you up at night, then just change it. He's pretend. You're allowed to do that.
Next, let's argue whether the Easter Bunny is genus Oryctolagus or Sylvilagus...
Personally, I have no problem with representations of Santa of any race. Until somebody can produce a photo or video of the real Santa, how do we know what race he is? I submit for the consideration of the forum Santa could be black, brown, yellow, green, or even an animal/alien/robot, since there are no known eye witnesses. We just all assume he is white, except me. I say we should be open minded and hire more non-white Santas to work in the mall and what not until his actual race is proven.
Quote: FrankScobleteSimply because something is fictional doesn't mean the rest of us can take liberties with it. What if there were a movement to change Huck Finn into a black child and Jim into a white man? These characters are not real, why can't we do that?
With Santa Claus, the myth is universal; Santa stops at all houses with presents for children. His race is immaterial.
With Huck Finn, race of both main characters is absolutely essential to the story, from how the world interacts with each of them, expectations they have of each other, the cultural influences and assumptions. Neither could be who they are if the races were interchanged, because they were of the world as it was, and the entire book serves as a parable about race. You can change the races, but you can't then tell the same story with any ring of truth, which is what makes it a great book.
That's quite a Popeye, btw. Wow.
Quote: beachbumbabsWith Santa Claus, the myth is universal; Santa stops at all houses with presents for children. His race is immaterial.
With Huck Finn, race of both main characters is absolutely essential to the story, from how the world interacts with each of them, expectations they have of each other, the cultural influences and assumptions. Neither could be who they are if the races were interchanged, because they were of the world as it was, and the entire book serves as a parable about race. You can change the races, but you can't then tell the same story with any ring of truth, which is what makes it a great book.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Quote: beachbumbabsWith Santa Claus, the myth is universal; Santa stops at all houses with presents for children. His race is immaterial.
With Huck Finn, race of both main characters is absolutely essential to the story, from how the world interacts with each of them, expectations they have of each other, the cultural influences and assumptions. Neither could be who they are if the races were interchanged, because they were of the world as it was, and the entire book serves as a parable about race. You can change the races, but you can't then tell the same story with any ring of truth, which is what makes it a great book.
That's quite a Popeye, btw. Wow.
If Santa was real air traffic must be a pita
I do like the norad tracking of "Santa", cool thing for kids to see
happy until Santa, the tooth fairy, the Frankenstein
monster, Columbus, Paul Bunyan, Jesus and the
Easter Bunny are all black too. Any other position
means you're a white racist.
Quote: djatcIf Santa was real air traffic must be a pita
I do like the norad tracking of "Santa", cool thing for kids to see
ATC has been doing that for at least 30 years, staging little interactions with Santa for the local news and such; I was on "talking" to Santa a couple of times myself. (We had a guy off-camera on a portable talking back so the kids could hear Santa communicating with ATC). There's a very special flight plan in the system, designed a long time ago, called the Santa1 Stereo Flight Route, which goes through every center and approach control in the continental US; it's a great honor to activate it. When it starts, everybody in the country gets the flight plan over fixes and altitudes in their airspace almost simultaneously by time zones and most places create a ghost target to handoff from scope to scope. Just a little Christmas cheer for people working the holiday.
