Quote: AcesAndEightsI should have kept my mouth shut, as I don't really care enough to defend Kathy Griffin's appearance.
It's all cool; it wasn't about Kathy Griffin so much as it was about a cheap shot taken at a person who wasn't in a position to defend themselves.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt's all cool; it wasn't about Kathy Griffin so much as it was about a cheap shot taken at a person who wasn't in a position to defend themselves.
If they don't want their pics taken with no makeup,
don't go in public like that. She has no defense.
Quote: EvenBobIf they don't want their pics taken with no makeup,
don't go in public like that. She has no defense.
Way, way back in the day stars couldn't go in public without make-up and being dressed well. When the studios had them under contract they were expected to look like stars at all times. Of course at that time we didn't have stalkers trying to get a pic of them every time they went out for a pack of cigarettes.
I will take that as an admission you were in fact playing devil's advocate. I really don't think you can call defenseless cheap shot in this situation. She is a celebrity. I consider that a cheap shot. If your going to go that route, you have to defend Charles Manson since hes not here to defend himself.Quote: beachbumbabsIt's all cool; it wasn't about Kathy Griffin so much as it was about a cheap shot taken at a person who wasn't in a position to defend themselves.
Quote: AxelWolfI will take that as an admission you were in fact playing devil's advocate. I really don't think you can call defenseless cheap shot in this situation. She is a celebrity. I consider that a cheap shot. If your going to go that route, you have to defend Charles Manson since hes not here to defend himself.
False equivalency, Axel, sorry. Pass. Not sure why you seem wound up about this, though. And no, I wasn't playing devil's advocate. I think it's disrespectful and rude to stick a camera in a person's face who's on their own time simply because they're a celebrity, make money off of invading their privacy, and stick it on the internet for people to poke fun at their looks. I don't like any part of it, don't think much of the people who make their money that way, or people who perpetuate a market for it. My way of objecting to it is, well, to object to it. End of story.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think it's disrespectful and rude to stick a camera in a person's face who's on their own time.
Now you're changing what you said here:
"it was about a cheap shot taken at a person who wasn't in a position to defend themselves."
All that person has to do is not put themselves in
the position of being in public without makeup. If
they choose to not wear makeup and somebody
chooses to take a pic of them, you get what you
get. Don't take away the constitutional freedoms
of a photog because his subject made a bad decision.
Where's the accountability for actions? If Kathy Griffith
makes the choices that put her in a bad position, who's
fault is that? You want us to blame the photog.
Quote: EvenBobNow you're changing what you said here:
"it was about a cheap shot taken at a person who wasn't in a position to defend themselves."
All that person has to do is not put themselves in
the position of being in public without makeup. If
they choose to not wear makeup and somebody
chooses to take a pic of them, you get what you
get. Don't take away the constitutional freedoms
of a photog because his subject made a bad decision.
Where's the accountability for actions? If Kathy Griffith
makes the choices that put her in a bad position, who's
fault is that? You want us to blame the photog.
What I don't understand is why you and Axel are continuing to argue about this. I said my piece, you said yours. End of subject.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhat I don't understand is why you and Axel are continuing to argue about this. I said my piece, you said yours. End of subject.
You were implying it's somehow the photog's fault
that she went out in public and got her pic taken
with no makeup. I disagree, she knows how the
game is played, how she looks is her responsibility.