2016 Election
Quote: Beethoven9thLOL! You're just upset because your example was terrible.
Here's another challenge (for you to ignore): Ask a bunch of random people if they've seen "Friday the 13th".
Most of them will take that to include every movie in the series.
*facepalm*
Quote: ams288
But for example, compare Obama's "57 states" gaffe to any of hers. Had someone stopped him right there when he said that and flat out asked him how many states there were, he obviously would have been able to correct himself and said there were 50 states. Palin would not have been able to correct any of her gaffes without Wikipedia.
This is basically the significant difference between a lot of president Obama's and president Bush's gaffes and Pallin's "gaffes". Obama misspoke he meant 47 not 57, also its wrong to say he mistakenly thought there were 57 states he clearly implied 60. Bush misspoke when he said "Our enemies will never stop thinking of ways to hurt us and neither will we." Clearly he meant we'll never stop finding ways to hurt the enemy. These show what happens when the lights and pressure are on you misspeak. Many of Palin's gaffes show a fundamental misunderstanding of something. She was questioned about the Bush doctrine and didn't know what that was. Or the repeated mention of death panels. That is not to say Palin doesn't also have just standard gaffes like "But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies" I'm willing to let that slide and say clearly she meant South Korea and just misspoke it happens. The other two though are not gaffes they are either lies or incredible ignorance.
Quote: ams288*facepalm*
*thumbs up* ;)
Quote: ams288John Ziegler's sole purpose in life is to attempt to make Sarah Palin look like a goddess.
And the framing of that question isn't fair. That's like asking people "Who is the killer in Friday the 13th?" Everyone is going to say Jason, but the answer is Mrs. Voorhees.
Actually it is totally fair to frame it that way. I would have answered the Friday 13th wrong but only because I have not watched them in 30 years and only the first one or two. If a plot device changed the killer after I would have no idea. But it was clear from the get-go who said "I can see Russia from my house" and who said he had been to all 57 states and didn't even know what religion he was.
Quote:Anyway, I'm not interested in bashing Sarah Palin anymore. It was fun in 2008-9. But since then she's become totally irrelevant. She's only around to make bundles of money these days. It's clear she has no interest in holding office ever again, even though she'll always act like she may run just for the attention.
Yes, it is called "marketing."
Quote: ams288I kind of agree with you.
Everyone makes mistakes during a campaign. It's human nature.
But for example, compare Obama's "57 states" gaffe to any of hers. Had someone stopped him right there when he said that and flat out asked him how many states there were, he obviously would have been able to correct himself and said there were 50 states. Palin would not have been able to correct any of her gaffes without Wikipedia.
Are you sure? Nervousness makes us do all kinds of stupid things including giving wrong answers to questions that we could normally answer. Being thrust into the national spotlight would make one nervous. I hope no one is foolish enough to think Palin is as dumb as the press would have us believe...or that Obama is as smart!!!
Quote: RonCI hope no one is foolish enough to think Palin is as dumb as the press would have us believe...
I actually think she may be dumber.
Quote: RonCI hope no one is foolish enough to think Palin is as dumb as the press would have us believe...or that Obama is as smart!!!
I've heard Palin do dozens of interviews off
the cuff and she is anything but dumb. Just
saw her last week on Fox, from her home in
AK. She's one smart cookie, she never hesitates
in her answers and always makes sense. What
they mean when they say she's dumb is, how
could a smart woman have her views. Because
she has them, she must be dumb.
Agreed.Quote: ams288I actually think she may be dumber.
Quote: ams288I actually think she may be dumber.
Now that you have weighed in on that, how do you feel about the part of the statement you failed to quote?
Quote: s2dbakerAgreed.
How do you feel about the second part of the statement?
Quote: RonCNow that you have weighed in on that, how do you feel about the part of the statement you failed to quote?
I disagree with the premise of the other part of your statement.
Quote: EvenBobI've heard Palin do dozens of interviews off
the cuff and she is anything but dumb. Just
saw her last week on Fox, from her home in
AK. She's one smart cookie, she never hesitates
in her answers and always makes sense. What
they mean when they say she's dumb is, how
could a smart woman have her views. Because
she has them, she must be dumb.
The liberals here (and in general) have decided to equate a differing view of the issues with the word "dumb"...they ignore the blatant stupidity on their own side--like Sheila Jackson Lee, who claims to be an educated woman but each day seeks to prove she didn't learn much even by going to prestigious universities--and pounce on someone like Sarah Palin who simply holds differing views.
I haven't seen any pervasive incidence of the press overestimating Obama's intelligence.Quote: RonCHow do you feel about the second part of the statement?
You can have that opinion about liberals but it doesn't make it accurate. Actually it's somewhat adorable. You conservatives really do live in an echo chamber.Quote: RonCThe liberals here (and in general) have decided to equate a differing view of the issues with the word "dumb"...they ignore the blatant stupidity on their own side--like Sheila Jackson Lee, who claims to be an educated woman but each day seeks to prove she didn't learn much even by going to prestigious universities--and pounce on someone like Sarah Palin who simply holds differing views.
Quote: ams288I disagree with the premise of the other part of your statement.
The press has tried to tell us how smart the President is without spending nearly the energy to get his actual grades as they did in the case of earlier candidates. I guess that is to be considered a smart move on their part--didn't the grades end up proving that Bush was a better student than one of the two guys he ran against--Gore or Kerry (I can't remember which one)?
You can disagree with the premise of my statement; I would say that you are showing the ability to discern the intelligence of either one of them (as is S2dbaker) because you only want to believe what you want to believe...no facts necessary.
Quote: EvenBobI've heard Palin do dozens of interviews off
the cuff and she is anything but dumb. Just
saw her last week on Fox, from her home in
AK. She's one smart cookie, she never hesitates
in her answers and always makes sense. What
they mean when they say she's dumb is, how
could a smart woman have her views. Because
she has them, she must be dumb.
No she is dumb. Again she didn't know what the Bush doctrine was. She persisted in the idiocy of death panels. She also seemed unable to name a single supreme court decision other than Roe v Wade. Her views don't make her dumb there are plenty of intelligent conservatives. The fact she is dumb as a bag of bricks makes her dumb.
Quote: RonCThe liberals here (and in general) have decided to equate a differing view of the issues with the word "dumb"...they ignore the blatant stupidity on their own side--like Sheila Jackson Lee, who claims to be an educated woman but each day seeks to prove she didn't learn much even by going to prestigious universities--and pounce on someone like Sarah Palin who simply holds differing views.
Aside from having views that differ from yours, what has she done that is "blatantly stupid?"
Quote: s2dbakerYou can have that opinion about liberals but it doesn't make it accurate. Actually it's somewhat adorable. You cosevatives really do live in an echo chamber.
With all of the time Sarah Palin has spent on the air in the days following the election, how in the world can you consider her dumb or dumber than the press tried to make her appear? She is well-spoken, she speaks to the issues, and she has a position. You don't have to agree with her positions to walk away from the "dumb" comments...there are some brilliant minds on the liberal side; I just feel they are wrong about they way things should be done. Adding to that, I think they are right about some things.
There is a difference between always being wrong and being dumb. In Sarah Palin's case, the two are not mutually exclusive. She exhibits no intellectual curiosity at all.Quote: TwirdmanNo she is dumb. Again she didn't know what the Bush doctrine was. She persisted in the idiocy of death panels. She also seemed unable to name a single supreme court decision other than Roe v Wade. Her views don't make her dumb there are plenty of intelligent conservatives. The fact she is dumb as a bag of bricks makes her dumb.
Sarah Palin is not well spoken. She is a Cuisenart for words. She has a skill, which is stringing words together but that doesn't make her smart. She offers nothing to the discourse.Quote: RonCWith all of the time Sarah Palin has spent on the air in the days following the election, how in the world can you consider her dumb or dumber than the press tried to make her appear? She is well-spoken, she speaks to the issues, and she has a position. You don't have to agree with her positions to walk away from the "dumb" comments...there are some brilliant minds on the liberal side; I just feel they are wrong about they way things should be done. Adding to that, I think they are right about some things.
Quote: ams288Aside from having views that differ from yours, what has she done that is "blatantly stupid?"
"A judge has refused to dismiss a federal lawsuit accusing Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of discriminating against and mocking a disabled staffer — charges the Texas Democrat denies.
Mrs. Jackson Lee’s legal team sought to have the complaint dismissed, arguing in part that actions concerning her staff are protected under the Speech or Debate clause of the Constitution. In a lengthy ruling, the judge disagreed."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/sheila-jackson-lee-constitution-gives-me-immunity-to-discriminate-against-the-disabled/
You could argue that her lawyer told her to argue that position, but as a person who fights discrimination against one group, why would she think it is okay to discriminate against another?
"On a visit to the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 2005, Rep. Lee made embarrassing news by asking if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted there in 1969 by Neil Armstrong."
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-sheila-jackson-lee-really-that-stupid
Today, we have two Vietnams, side by side, North and South, exchanging and working. We may not agree with all that North Vietnam is doing, but they are living in peace. I would look for a better human rights record for North Vietnam, but they are living side by side.
SJL
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/sheilajack443798.html#QapHzPmIA2O9V67t.99
Quote: RonCThe liberals here (and in general) have decided to equate a differing view of the issues with the word "dumb"...they ignore the blatant stupidity on their own side--like Sheila Jackson Lee, who claims to be an educated woman but each day seeks to prove she didn't learn much even by going to prestigious universities--and pounce on someone like Sarah Palin who simply holds differing views.
No there are plenty of dumb people on the left Sheila Jackson Lee said some pretty dumb stuff. Also Rep Hank Johnson arguably dumb as a board. That does not however mean that Sarah Palin isn't dumb. It has nothing to do with her views it has to deal with her lack of knowledge. For instance some people would object to the court case say Miranda vs the state of Arizona and they could argue that it creates an undue burden and the constitution does not spell out any such requirement of informing a suspect of their rights, I'll disagree and argue that it is implied and that to be able to exercise rights you have to be informed about them. This is a discussion that could happen and neither side would be dumb even though there is arguably a right left divide. There are plenty of other cases like that. The problem is when you can't name any cases no discussion can be made because you are dumb.
Similarly there is a valid discussion about the Bush doctrine. I disagree with it saying that a preemptive war is morally wrong and unjustifiable but I can understand where someone would come from by supporting it. She didn't know what it was that can't lead to an intelligent discussion.
Or how about death panels in ACA. One can argue whether ACA is a good or a bad law and there are decent arguments on both sides. Saying the bill has death panels is blatantly stupid.
So again conservatives can be eloquent and quite intelligent but Sarah Palin is dumb as a bag of bricks.
Quote: ams288I actually think she may be dumber.
Not as dumb as these people:
If Lee or Johnson ever get nominated to be one heartbeat away from the presidency, I'll be suitably outraged.Quote: TwirdmanNo there are plenty of dumb people on the left Sheila Jackson Lee said some pretty dumb stuff. Also Rep Hank Johnson arguably dumb as a board.
Quote: RonC"A judge has refused to dismiss a federal lawsuit accusing Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of discriminating against and mocking a disabled staffer — charges the Texas Democrat denies.
Mrs. Jackson Lee’s legal team sought to have the complaint dismissed, arguing in part that actions concerning her staff are protected under the Speech or Debate clause of the Constitution. In a lengthy ruling, the judge disagreed."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/sheila-jackson-lee-constitution-gives-me-immunity-to-discriminate-against-the-disabled/
You could argue that her lawyer told her to argue that position, but as a person who fights discrimination against one group, why would she think it is okay to discriminate against another?
"On a visit to the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 2005, Rep. Lee made embarrassing news by asking if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted there in 1969 by Neil Armstrong."
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-sheila-jackson-lee-really-that-stupid
Today, we have two Vietnams, side by side, North and South, exchanging and working. We may not agree with all that North Vietnam is doing, but they are living in peace. I would look for a better human rights record for North Vietnam, but they are living side by side.
SJL
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/sheilajack443798.html#QapHzPmIA2O9V67t.99
Yep, that's pretty bad. Thank God she was never on the Democratic VP ticket.
Senate: Benghazi attack could have been prevented (USA Today)
But, of course, libs don't care about any of this stuff. They're focused on more important things.....like traffic jams! *facepalm*
Quote: Beethoven9thSenate Report Finds Benghazi Attack Was Preventable (New York Times)
Senate: Benghazi attack could have been prevented (USA Today)
But, of course, libs don't care about any of this stuff. They're focused on more important things.....like traffic jams! *facepalm*
I really don't care.
You can facepalm yourself all day long but that's never gonna make Benghazi anything more than a Republican distraction. Yeah, four people died. It's sad, but we've moved on.
Now if there's an email from Obama to Hillary that says "Time for some deaths in Benghazi," then we'd have a problem.
Four Americans died in something that could have been prevented, and your response is "I really don't care"?!?!?!?!?!Quote: ams288I really don't care...
...Yeah, four people died. It's sad, but we've moved on.
Yes everyone, this picture is very appropriate right now:
Palin really is the teleprompter candidate. Put someone else's script in front of her and she can give a first rate delivery. She proved that at least once.
Quote: rxwinePalin really is the teleprompter candidate.
Quote: ams288Quote: Beethoven9thSenate Report Finds Benghazi Attack Was Preventable (New York Times)
Senate: Benghazi attack could have been prevented (USA Today)
But, of course, libs don't care about any of this stuff. They're focused on more important things.....like traffic jams! *facepalm*
I really don't care.
You can facepalm yourself all day long but that's never gonna make Benghazi anything more than a Republican distraction. Yeah, four people died. It's sad, but we've moved on.
Now if there's an email from Obama to Hillary that says "Time for some deaths in Benghazi," then we'd have a problem.
Yeah people need to understand that while the attack might have been preventable that does not mean there is a massive scandal at work especially not necessarily one involving the president. 9/11/2001 attack was preventable that does not make it a scandal for Bush even though he failed to stop a preventable attack. There are many things at work here.
What else more can one do other than:
Quote: Beethoven9th...
Quote: Beethoven9thYou didn't specify which part in the series.
Like my new "style".
Quote: Beethoven9thFour Americans died in something that could have been prevented, and your response is "I really don't care"?!?!?!?!?!
Yes everyone, this picture is very appropriate right now:
Yep, I really don't care. And I feel no guilt saying that.
Quote: ams288Yep, I really don't care. And I feel no guilt saying that.
A scandal needs legs. This one has been like someone pushing a rope so far.
They'll probably get more mileage about the comment in Gate's book that Hillary made a political decision, though it will probably just run as a quote in an attack ad.
Quote: rxwinePalin really is the teleprompter candidate.Put someone else's script in front of her and she can give a first rate delivery. She proved that at least once.
Obama really is the teleprompter candidate (and President). Take his script away and he has nothing to say. Let him read it and he has no idea what he is saying.
He isn't running to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency. He is the President. America lost.
Quote: ams288Yep, I really don't care. And I feel no guilt saying that.
I can understand not feeling that the push to really investigate this should continue...but it is just plain bad to not care what happened.
If ANY mistakes were made, it is important to try to find them and keep from repeating them.
Quote: RonCObama really is the teleprompter candidate (and President). Take his script away and he has nothing to say. Let him read it and he has no idea what he is saying.
He isn't running to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency. He is the President. America lost.
The difference is, this line has never worked, and never will. Now you could hit him up on some other things that are closer to the truth.
Quote: Beethoven9thNot as dumb as these people:
It's amazing that even people on this forum
think Palin made the Russia comment. And they
call Palin dumb..
Quote: rxwineLike my new "style".
What a dumb picture...LOL! :D
I shouldn't expect expect anything different though. Debate isn't your strong suit.
Quote: TwirdmanYeah people need to understand that while the attack might have been preventable that does not mean there is a massive scandal at work especially not necessarily one involving the president. 9/11/2001 attack was preventable that does not make it a scandal for Bush even though he failed to stop a preventable attack. There are many things at work here.
9/11 was potentially preventable--and we worked after it happened to find ways to keep something like that from happening again.
There is a difference between 9/11 and Benghazi--we investigated 9/11, came to some conclusions, and worked together to not let things like it happen again. The terrorists are still trying and will keep doing so...they can fail many times and still be "successful"; the "good guys" are unsuccessful if there is any successful attack. 9/11 is also a tragedy beyond comparison as a terrorist action in our history.
Benghazi is different. We were lied to about the cause. There may be no "legs" to that part of the scandal but it remains true and is the responsibility of the administration (they put out the false story) whether the press or anyone else cares to pay attention or not. They chased down a guy with a video on some parole violation and made it look like it was his fault. Sure, he should be taken down for violating parole but it only got important when they needed someone to be the villain. The real issues include the attempt to ignore that terrorists took the action and that some involved were "caught and released" from Gitmo, among others.
Quote: Beethoven9thDebate isn't your strong suit.
Are you talking to me, or looking in a mirror?
+10Quote: RonCBenghazi is different. We were lied to about the cause. There may be no "legs" to that part of the scandal but it remains true and is the responsibility of the administration (they put out the false story) whether the press or anyone else cares to pay attention or not. They chased down a guy with a video on some parole violation and made it look like it was his fault. Sure, he should be taken down for violating parole but it only got important when they needed someone to be the villain. The real issues include the attempt to ignore that terrorists took the action and that some involved were "caught and released" from Gitmo, among others.
Excellent post! And just watch, the libs here will NOT answer with a substantive reply. (Shifty will probably just change the subject)
Quote: rxwineThe difference is, this line has never worked, and never will. Now you could hit him up on some other things that are closer to the truth.
The truth does work. Everyone knows it. he is much less than he presents himself to be.
Sadly, it isn't a line. Were it so...
Quote: rxwineAre you talking to me, or looking in a mirror?
Of course I'm talking to you. It's impossible to debate with a guy who goes off on tangents at the drop of a hat. Hell, even the pictures you post have nothing to do with the subject at hand...LOL!
Quote: Beethoven9th+10
Excellent post! And just watch, the libs here will NOT answer with a substantive reply. (Shifty will probably just change the subject)
I'll be honest, I can't answer substantively because, well, I don't care. I don't pay attention to Benghazi stories anymore. It's all in one ear and out the other for me.
I'd never attempt to argue with a Republican about Benghazi. That's your bread and butter these days. You all have all the talking points down pat because that's like all they hammer into your heads on Fox, isn't it? I just shrug and move on with my life.
Quote: Beethoven9thOf course I'm talking to you. It's impossible to debate with a guy who goes off on tangents at the drop of a hat. Hell, even the pictures you post have nothing to do with the subject at hand...LOL!
You post a monkey, I post a monkey. Considering your usual post, I already put in more effort than they are worth. But it's my call, you have zero say, too bad.
It's more worthwhile to sleep than read your post but I am a glutton for punishment.
Quote: Beethoven9ththe pictures you post have nothing to do with the subject at hand...LOL!
Hah ha, go to the 'discussion about the suspension list' thread and complain that I am posting "OFF TOPIC MONKEYS" That will be hilarious!
