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Alan
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November 7th, 2013 at 3:24:12 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Which news person do you consider, not rightwing or leftwing, but most unbiased since the goal is not to be either rightwing or leftwing?



Hannity? LOL
AZDuffman
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November 7th, 2013 at 8:06:30 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Which news person do you consider, not rightwing or leftwing, but most unbiased since the goal is not to be either rightwing or leftwing?



Probably Bill O'reilly. He holds everyone accountable and doesn't take many positions except demanding that pols be honest and accountable to "the folks."
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November 7th, 2013 at 8:07:39 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Hey , Jesus was a communist. Josie, quick, find my sandals.



Not sure why anyone would say this.
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Buzzard
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November 7th, 2013 at 8:34:31 PM permalink
Maybe because it's true. That's communist with a small "c".
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:04:46 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

You're forgetting that they already tried this in '08 and '12, but neither McCain nor Romney did much of a job in attracting those prized moderate & independent voters, now did they? Not saying that Ted Cruz or Rand Paul would do any better, but I just don't understand why so many people think that a moderate candidate is the best choice after the last two moderate candidates failed.



Beethoven: if you think Christie is too moderate, which GOP politician do you think could win in 2016? Gingrich? Santorum? Palin? Guiliani? Bachmann? Herman Cain?

Not that it matters, but I don't think it was Romney's centrist policies which doomed his campaign. I think it was his personality: he came off as a plastic phoney. (Lest I be accused of partisanship, I fully concede that Gore and Kerry have personalities even more annoying [self-righteous] than Romney's blandness.) The problem wasn't that Romney was too moderate, or too conservative, or too liberal; he was a tall wealthy handsome empty vessel who said any soundbyte to win any election, and everyone knew it. He had no core beliefs. In Romney's defense: perhaps all these A-list politicians are insincere phonies (especially Bill Clinton & John Edwards!) but Romney just didn't have the acting skills to convince members of his own party, let alone independents or democrats.

Fair or not, Christie comes off as real & genuine.
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:26:59 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Beethoven: if you think Christie is too moderate, which GOP politician do you think could win in 2016? Gingrich? Santorum? Palin? Guiliani? Bachmann? Herman Cain?


Take a look earlier in the thread. I never said that a conservative candidate would win more votes than Christie. My point is simply that a moderate candidate is NOT the magic bullet that will attract more voters, and history has proven this right.

For example, the last five GOP candidates were George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. Of those five, the ONLY person to win two terms was George W. Bush, and he was the most conservative candidate. (How conservative he was is up for debate, but we can all agree that he was more conservative than the other four.)

Moderate McCain and moderate Romney got trounced in the last two presidential elections, and moderate Christie will be no different (if he ends up with the nomination). Again, I'm NOT saying that Ted Cruz or Rand Paul would do any better, but what I am saying is that Christie will not win any more votes than they would.

Oh yeah, and to answer your question, NO Republican candidate can win in 2016..........2020..........2024..........ad infinitum. The biased media, dishonest Democrats, and the liberal Hollywood elite are just too much to overcome in today's political climate. Not even Ronald Reaganóthe grandfather of modern Republicansócould win an election today.

Hell, for that matter, if George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, or Abraham Lincoln rose from the grave tomorrow, even they would lose today. (Don't mean to get conservatives down, but I'm just a realist here)
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:57:33 PM permalink
Romney could not get away from Romney Care. Christie can win if he can get people to remember Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are just like the crazy uncle everybody has in his family tree.

And the Republican Party has to stop blaming the salesman and look at the product.
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:12:37 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Christie can win


Yeah, he can win the same way McCain, Romney, and Dole won....LOL
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November 8th, 2013 at 12:00:59 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Probably Bill O'reilly. He holds everyone accountable and doesn't take many positions except demanding that pols be honest and accountable to "the folks."



That's a complete joke.

Bill O'Reilly is terribly biased, his interviewing technique is either hectoring or sycophantic and his dealing with anything outside of his own view point is laboured and his disdain shows through. His actions against many of his hostile interviews have been the worse sort of journalism. There's several of the Fox news guys who are pretty decent in examining the issues. Bill-O on TV is not one of those, and if you consider he's unbiased, you ought shake your head and get it set right. It's as laughable as stating Rachel Maddow is fair and balanced, or Piers Morgan has morals.
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November 8th, 2013 at 12:20:10 AM permalink
Lol, it must really gall you that o'Reilly has had the highest
rated news show on cable for 12 years straight. People
love to hate Bill. And his books are huge best sellers, every
one of them.
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