No downtown porn-slappers?
Quote: rdw4potusI think Las Vegas has an ordinance banning them, but Paradise does not.
This is what I remember to be true.
looking for work.....how much can I expect to make as a "porn slapper"?Quote: onenickelmiracleThis is what I remember to be true.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI think part of the reason is that the "public" area under the canopy is actually private property. I.E. When the streets were closed, the city sold / turned over that area to whatever company is managing the Fremon Street Experience and pedestrian mall.
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What would be unconstitutional in LV would also be unconstitutional in Paradise. Free speech and all that.Quote: rdw4potusI think Las Vegas has an ordinance banning them, but Paradise does not.
The likely explanation is that it is private property. FSE also has their own police force.
For what it's worth, I find the Las Vegas municipal corporation a "nicer" jurisdiction than Clark County. Clark County just scares me -- they have way too much power.
Quote: teddysWhat would be unconstitutional in LV would also be unconstitutional in Paradise. Free speech and all that.
The likely explanation is that it is private property. FSE also has their own police force.
For what it's worth, I find the Las Vegas municipal corporation a "nicer" jurisdiction than Clark County. Clark County just scares me -- they have way too much power.
You should research it if you disagree instead of just relying on your opinions.
Quote: teddysWhat would be unconstitutional in LV would also be unconstitutional in Paradise. Free speech and all that.
Legitimate question: How does that work? I've lived in neighborhoods and cities that "banned" solicitation, firearms, various pets, noise, smoke, etc, etc, etc. Are those bans just unenforceable? How is porn-slapping any different than panhandling or street peddling? Plenty of cities have ordinances against panhandling and/or requiring laughably high fees to get a license to peddle on the street.
Quote: teddysWhat would be unconstitutional in LV would also be unconstitutional in Paradise. Free speech and all that.
See Miller v. California.
You're not paying me for it, so I don't need to research it. There's no need to back up my assertions posted to a recreational gambling website.Quote: onenickelmiracleYou should research it if you disagree instead of just relying on your opinions.
That said, it's debatable whether the porn slappers' material passes the Miller test. The test is whether an average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find the material appeals to a "prurient" interest; the material depicts patently offensive sexual activity; and whether the work lacks serious artistic, literary, etc., value.
There's no artistic value, but it could be said that the average Las Vegas resident wouldn't find it offensive. The city allows so much more offensive displays, anyway, and the city is built upon that to some extent.
A more on-point case would be Martin v. Struthers, where The Court held that the First Amendment protects both "the right to distribute literature" and "the right to receive it" and stated that the distribution of literature is protected "even if it creates the minor nuisance for a community of cleaning liter from its streets."
That's considering that the porn handouts are "literature," which is being very generous.
Furthermore, The Court has said that commercial speech is protected under the First Amendment. Va. State Bd. of Pharm. v. Va. Citizens Consumer Council, Inc. 425 U.S. 748 (1976).
Excellent Teddy.....I believe the porn handout to be literature....I love reading the picturesQuote: teddysYou're not paying me for it, so I don't need to research it. There's no need to back up my assertions posted to a recreational gambling website.
That said, it's debatable whether the porn slappers' material passes the Miller test. The test is whether an average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find the material appeals to a "prurient" interest; the material depicts patently offensive sexual activity; and whether the work lacks serious artistic, literary, etc., value.
There's no artistic value, but it could be said that the average Las Vegas resident wouldn't find it offensive. The city allows so much more offensive displays, anyway, and the city is built upon that to some extent.
A more on-point case would be Martin v. Struthers, where The Court held that the First Amendment protects both "the right to distribute literature" and "the right to receive it" and stated that the distribution of literature is protected "even if it creates the minor nuisance for a community of cleaning liter from its streets."
That's considering that the porn handouts are "literature," which is being very generous.
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That's considering that the porn handouts are "literature," which is being very generous.
It's also assuming that cleaning that much litter is only a minor nuisance;-)
Quote: rdw4potusIt's also assuming that cleaning that much litter is only a minor nuisance;-)
Cleaning up after them creates jobs :)
I've heard they have to clean it up themselves now. Somebody does it, and does it well. You don't see them lying on the ground that much anymore.Quote: rdw4potusIt's also assuming that cleaning that much litter is only a minor nuisance;-)
Quote: rdw4potusIt's also assuming that cleaning that much litter is only a minor nuisance;-)
I wonder if the city can get the slappers to clean up after themselves. I suppose not. if they did they'd wind up holding, oh, 99.9999% of the material they were supposed to hand out ;)
The city could set up signs saying "Please do not tear up the prostitute solicitation material before discarding it on the street." Or just provide more garbage cans for the area.
Quote: teddysThat's considering that the porn handouts are "literature," which is being very generous.
Just add a limerick and you've got poetry.
another unenforceable ordinance.....but the intentions were good and that's all that mattersQuote: GHRecent changes to ordinances require them to pickup litter within a 15 foot circle.
Quote: teddys
That said, it's debatable whether the porn slappers' material passes the Miller test.
I think it's nowhere near "obscene" enough to be unprotected.
Quote: teddysFor what it's worth, I find the Las Vegas municipal corporation a "nicer" jurisdiction than Clark County. Clark County just scares me -- they have way too much power.
Interesting.
Could you amplify on this statement please?
Serious offense? Let's roundup the slappers. That will stop prostitution in it's tracks. No victim, no crime, DocQuote: DocI, of course, know nothing of the law. But I'm curious ... suppose that someone received from a slapper one of those promo cards for a "model" and subsequently made contact through the phone number and thereby secured paid sex services (or an agreement for the same) within Clark Country. Could the slapper be charged with pimping? Would a few pimping or other sex-crime convictions of slappers have any impact on their activities? Seems like a more serious offense than loitering or littering.
Quote: treetopbuddyNo victim, no crime, Doc
If it's a violation of criminal law, I think that makes it a crime. IANAL.
your right, I'm going to turn myself in.....the guilt is overwhelming.Quote: DocIf it's a violation of criminal law, I think that makes it a crime. IANAL.
Quote: DocIf it's a violation of criminal law, I think that makes it a crime. IANAL.
It is an important distinction. Many criminal statutes regulate behavior that doesn't harm anyone. This type of behavior should be called illegal. This is in contrast to crime, which is behavior that harms other people.
Was she hot? Kinda nasty? How much? How about a field report?
I'll get back to you on that MakingBook as soon as I crack the game of Roulette.....porn slapping is such a cool term.....makes be want go go out and start a card collectionQuote: MakingBookHas anyone here.....or a "friend", called a porn-slapper chick?
Was she hot? Kinda nasty? How much? How about a field report?
Quote: MakingBookHas anyone here.....or a "friend", called a porn-slapper chick?
Was she hot? Kinda nasty? How much? How about a field report?
No, but the girl in the photo will never be the girl and they will lie and say she is anyways.
I hate that when that happens....Quote: onenickelmiracleNo, but the girl in the photo will never be the girl and they will lie and say she is anyways.
once the girl that arrived was much, much better than the picture but I had to send her away.....false advertisingQuote: treetopbuddyI hate that when that happens....
When I was about 13...i went to Vegas for a speedskating competition...and I was with a group of friends, and we were staying at The Maxim (now Westin Casurina)...we decided to go get as many "trading cards" as we could...so we must have gathered up hundreds....we each took a floor (two people to a floor) of the maxim, and slipped a trading card (porn pamphlet) under each door in the hotel...lol...we ended up getting caught and got a "good talking to", but it was funny as hell, because when they caught us, we had a PILE of them in our room (we were going to take them to our skating competition and hand them out, lol)
Good times...haha
Funny....a year or two later you would have been calling those galsQuote: TIMSPEEDFunny story about the porn slappers..
When I was about 13...i went to Vegas for a speedskating competition...and I was with a group of friends, and we were staying at The Maxim (now Westin Casurina)...we decided to go get as many "trading cards" as we could...so we must have gathered up hundreds....we each took a floor (two people to a floor) of the maxim, and slipped a trading card (porn pamphlet) under each door in the hotel...lol...we ended up getting caught and got a "good talking to", but it was funny as hell, because when they caught us, we had a PILE of them in our room (we were going to take them to our skating competition and hand them out, lol
Good times...haha
Quote: TIMSPEEDFunny story about the porn slappers..
When I was about 13...i went to Vegas for a speedskating competition...and I was with a group of friends, and we were staying at The Maxim (now Westin Casurina)...we decided to go get as many "trading cards" as we could...so we must have gathered up hundreds....we each took a floor (two people to a floor) of the maxim, and slipped a trading card (porn pamphlet) under each door in the hotel...lol...we ended up getting caught and got a "good talking to", but it was funny as hell, because when they caught us, we had a PILE of them in our room (we were going to take them to our skating competition and hand them out, lol)
Good times...haha
As a teen, before there was a COMDEX, I used to attend the NCC which was held in Anaheim. When I was 16, they moved the NCC to Vegas. My mother (Ma Blackjack) chaperoned me on a bus junket to the Sands, so I could attend the NCC. One morning, as I was going back to the room with the morning paper, I passed these 2 Gweipor hanging out by the payphones. One asks me if I was looking for a good time. I said "no, I just came down to get the paper." The other asks "Well, would you like to take us back to your room?" My naive response was "but my mother is there!" They then said "that's okay, we can get another room!" I then ran the rest of the way to the elevators.
heheQuote: GHAs a teen, before there was a COMDEX, I used to attend the NCC which was held in Anaheim. When I was 16, they moved the NCC to Vegas. My mother (Ma Blackjack) chaperoned me on a bus junket to the Sands, so I could attend the NCC. One morning, as I was going back to the room with the morning paper, I passed these 2 Gweipor hanging out by the payphones. One asks me if I was looking for a good time. I said "no, I just came down to get the paper." The other asks "Well, would you like to take us back to your room?" My naive response was "but my mother is there!" They then said "that's okay, we can get another room!" I then ran the rest of the way to the elevators.
Quote: MakingBookHas anyone here.....or a "friend", called a porn-slapper chick?
Was she hot? Kinda nasty? How much? How about a field report?
I have heard, probably 4th hand if that, that often times the girls you reach at those numbers are not actually prostitutes but strippers that will come to your room, demand payment up front (with you assuming sexual services), and then just put on a show without actually, ahem, consummating the transaction.
Again, 4th or 5th hand...but would not surprise me at all.
4th or 5th hand?.....you need to come clean.....I'm guessing you heard this valuable info 2nd or 3rd hand...pleaseQuote: AcesAndEightsI have heard, probably 4th hand if that, that often times the girls you reach at those numbers are not actually prostitutes but strippers that will come to your room, demand payment up front (with you assuming sexual services), and then just put on a show without actually, ahem, consummating the transaction.
Again, 4th or 5th hand...but would not surprise me at all.
Quote: bbvk05It is an important distinction. Many criminal statutes regulate behavior that doesn't harm anyone. This type of behavior should be called illegal. This is in contrast to crime, which is behavior that harms other people.Quote: DocIf it's a violation of criminal law, I think that makes it a crime. IANAL.
Yes, there is an important distinction, but I think your post may have confounded the issue. There are people who think that some illegal things that they like to do should not be against the law; they sometimes call these "victimless crimes" and may attempt to get the laws changed. Some people in this thread don't seem to want to go to such effort; they just declare that the actions for which they do not see a victim are not crimes, even without changing the laws.
There are, of course, many criminal acts for which there is not an obvious victim. Example: If you decided to enhance your financial fortune by counterfeiting US currency, but the Secret Service caught you before you were able to defraud anyone with your stack of bogus stuff, then there would not seem to be any victim of your counterfeiting. Nevertheless, you would have committed a federal crime, and you would likely get to spend some time as the guest of a federal prison. You would be a criminal.
On the other hand, there are acts for which there may be victims, yet no crime has been committed. If someone is driving a vehicle with due care but skids on icy pavement and strikes yours, causing property damage and perhaps personal injury, then you have been the victim of an accident. If it becomes necessary, our court system may be used to obtain compensation under civil law, even though it is quite possible (even likely) that no crime (violation of criminal law) was committed.
Having a victim does not imply that a crime was committed. Having no victim does not imply that there was not a crime. Treetopbuddy's quip made above that "No vicitim, no crime, Doc" is just plain in error.
As I have indicated before, I am not a lawyer, but I believe there are several law school graduates and at least one licensed paralegal who post here. Maybe they could weigh in on these issues.
Quote: bbvk05It is an important distinction. Many criminal statutes regulate behavior that doesn't harm anyone. This type of behavior should be called illegal. This is in contrast to crime, which is behavior that harms other people.
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Doc, I don't think we need law school grads or paralegals to tell us what's right and wrong. Didn't your parents teach you to mind your own business? Again, no victim no crime....Quote: DocYes, there is an important distinction, but I think your post may have confounded the issue. There are people who think that some illegal things that they like to do should not be against the law; they sometimes call these "victimless crimes" and may attempt to get the laws changed. Some people in this thread don't seem to want to go to such effort; they just declare that the actions for which they do not see a victim are not crimes, even without changing the laws.
There are, of course, many criminal acts for which there is not an obvious victim. Example: If you decided to enhance your financial fortune by counterfeiting US currency, but the Secret Service caught you before you were able to defraud anyone with your stack of bogus stuff, then there would not seem to be any victim of your counterfeiting. Nevertheless, you would have committed a federal crime, and you would likely get to spend some time as the guest of a federal prison. You would be a criminal.
On the other hand, there are acts for which there may be victims, yet no crime has been committed. If someone is driving a vehicle with due care but skids on icy pavement and strikes yours, causing property damage and perhaps personal injury, then you have been the victim of an accident. If it becomes necessary, our court system may be used to obtain compensation under civil law, even though it is quite possible (even likely) that no crime (violation of criminal law) was committed.
Having a victim does not imply that a crime was committed. Having no victim does not imply that there was not a crime. Treetopbuddy's quip made above that "No vicitim, no crime, Doc" is just plain in error.
As I have indicated before, I am not a lawyer, but I believe there are several law school graduates and at least one licensed paralegal who post here. Maybe they could weigh in on these issues.
Quote: DocThere are, of course, many criminal acts for which there is not an obvious victim. Example: If you decided to enhance your financial fortune by counterfeiting US currency, but the Secret Service caught you before you were able to defraud anyone with your stack of bogus stuff, then there would not seem to be any victim of your counterfeiting.
Now you're confusing the issue. Conspiracy to commit a crime is itself a crime. Of course there are degrees of conspiracy and intent. If, say, you wanted to kill someone and went as far as to buy a gun, but then decided not to do anything, that's not a crime. But if you went so far as to take a shot at your target, then that is attempted murder even if you missed by a mile.
So, if you print counterfeit money, that's a crime. if you plan to do so but don't actually geta round to it, that gets rather technical.
Quote:On the other hand, there are acts for which there may be victims, yet no crime has been committed.
In your example, the party which sustains damage is not a victim. He's affected, certainly, and there may be legitimate questions as to compensation, but he's not a victim.
Quote: treetopbuddyDoc, I don't think we need law school grads or paralegals to tell us what's right and wrong. Didn't your parents teach you to mind your own business? Again, no victim no crime....
A bit touchy? Ah, yes, now I remember. You made your first post in this thread back on page 1 where you said you were looking for work and asked how much you could expect to make as a "porn slapper." Well, if that is the goal of your "business", then I will let you mind that all on your own. I consider it an inappropriate activity, and it's not what I choose as my business.
And you still don't seem to get it that crimes don't always have victims. Are you trying to be obtuse? May your endeavors in the porn slapping business be as successful as that effort.
Quote: treetopbuddySerious offense? Let's roundup the slappers. That will stop prostitution in it's tracks. No victim, no crime, Doc
Let's not forget the "other" crime: Littering. But then the question is: is the litterer the pedestrian who unknowingly takes then drops the porn info, or the porn slapper who enables the crime?
Quote: MakingBookHas anyone here.....or a "friend", called a porn-slapper chick?
Was she hot? Kinda nasty? How much? How about a field report?
About 10 years ago...
My very religious nephew took a cross country trip with his religious buddies when they were around 23. It included a few days in Vegas. My initial question about how easy it was to find Kosher food was quickly ignored when he told me the story.
He took his tuxedo so he could go to the high limit area in full "James Bond" style. He won, then treated himself and his buddies to a porn slapped girl. They were very satisfied although they also had no basis for comparison.
Good stuffQuote: DJTeddyBearLet's not forget the "other" crime: Littering. But then the question is: is the litterer the pedestrian who unknowingly takes then drops the porn info, or the porn slapper who enables the crime?
About 10 years ago...
My very religious nephew took a cross country trip with his religious buddies when they were around 23. It included a few days in Vegas. My initial question about how easy it was to find Kosher food was quickly ignored when he told me the story.
He took his tuxedo so he could go to the high limit area in full "James Bond" style. He won, then treated himself and his buddies to a porn slapped girl. They were very satisfied although they also had no basis for comparison.
Quote: DJTeddyBearMy very religious nephew took a cross country trip with his religious buddies when they were around 23. It included a few days in Vegas. My initial question about how easy it was to find Kosher food was quickly ignored when he told me the story.
He took his tuxedo so he could go to the high limit area in full "James Bond" style. He won, then treated himself and his buddies to a porn slapped girl. They were very satisfied although they also had no basis for comparison.
It sounds like Amish Rumshpringa, (a period of adolescence for some members of the Amish community during which a youth temporarily leaves the community to experience life in the outside world). After Rumshpringa the adolescent makes the decision if he wants to live his life in the Amish way.
Although I don't think Rumshpringa normally includes a porn slapper girl. I think Amish idea of a wild time is using electricity.
Dude that is funnyQuote: pacomartinIt sounds like Amish Rumshpringa, (a period of adolescence for some members of the Amish community during which a youth temporarily leaves the community to experience life in the outside world). After Rumshpringa the adolescent makes the decision if he wants to live his life in the Amish way.
Although I don't think Rumshpringa normally includes a porn slapper girl. I think Amish idea of a wild time is using electricity.
Quote: treetopbuddyDude that is funny
I've never ordered a porn slapper girl, but I always imagined a tired middle aged woman would show up at your hotel with needle tracks running down her arm. The first thing she does is hand you a business card that say, "Sorry I don't look like the girl in the advertisement, but what did you expect for $69".
