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vert1276
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July 24th, 2012 at 10:51:42 AM permalink
which one is more dangerous to society? Do you think distasteful political rhetoric that pits one group against another or hate speech like the KKK or the New Black Panthers, is more dangerous to society? Or a guy walking around with a legal firearm?

Should we limit free speech?.....maybe a form of "speech control"........
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July 24th, 2012 at 10:54:52 AM permalink
Interesting poll, but I vote for a third option.

Might be Too soon after last Friday's tragedy.

Let's debate this a month from now.
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July 24th, 2012 at 11:09:32 AM permalink
I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it.

... of course, my abilities to defend your rights might be affected by my right to carry a gun.

On the other hand, I don't own any guns, but would like to live in a society where people get along.
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July 24th, 2012 at 11:18:27 AM permalink
unvote-able poll
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July 24th, 2012 at 11:20:54 AM permalink
Don't see either as a danger. Limiting freedom seems far more dangerous to me.

Don't like what I say, don't listen. If you're not going to break into my house, why you worried about my guns?
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July 24th, 2012 at 12:06:31 PM permalink
It's a sad day when some people come to see rights as dangers.
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July 24th, 2012 at 12:35:46 PM permalink
The right to life. It should be seen as a privilege, not a right. Then, when only the people selected as worthy of that privilege by the state are allowed to exercise it, you will see a lot of problems vanish.
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July 24th, 2012 at 12:36:38 PM permalink
Quote: P90

The right to life. It should be seen as a privilege, not a right. Then, when only the people selected as worthy of that privilege by the state are allowed to exercise it, you will see a lot of problems vanish.



cant tell if serious or trolling..
are you advocating forced abortions or genocide?
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July 24th, 2012 at 12:46:08 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

cant tell if serious or trolling..
are you advocating forced abortions or genocide?



Pretty sure it's sarcasm to prove a point. I also took vert's as sarcasm, but he can correct me if I'm wrong.
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July 24th, 2012 at 12:50:29 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

cant tell if serious or trolling..


Couldn't be more serious in a 3-piece suit all buttoned up.

The overwhelming majority of social ills as well as particular incidents is ultimately caused by exercise of the right to life.
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July 24th, 2012 at 12:51:21 PM permalink
considering te economic disaster, should everyone own a home? How dangerous was THAT?
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:09:21 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Pretty sure it's sarcasm to prove a point. I also took vert's as sarcasm, but he can correct me if I'm wrong.



there was a tongue in my cheek when I wrote it.......
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:18:26 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

there was a tongue in my cheek when I wrote it.......

Was it your own tongue?
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:29:12 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Was it your own tongue?



unfortunately yes.....but I was fantasizing that it was Kate Upton's.....
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:37:16 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

there was a tongue in my cheek when I wrote it.......



That's what I thought. Kind of like the spoons-made-me-fat, pens-misspell-words arguement ;)
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:37:55 PM permalink
How about, is free speech in a bar more dangerous than a gun in a bar?

You can only pick one, not both.
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:39:51 PM permalink
Should anyone oppose your right to be drunk and speak or be drunk with a gun?
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:39:58 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Was it your own tongue?



I have a spoon with peanut butter in my mouth,
thats why I sound so odd.
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:46:15 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Couldn't be more serious in a 3-piece suit all buttoned up.

The overwhelming majority of social ills as well as particular incidents is ultimately caused by exercise of the right to life.



If there were no people there would be no societal problems, that's for sure.
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:47:30 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

How about, is free speech in a bar more dangerous than a gun in a bar?

You can only pick one, not both.



Neither guns nor words are dangerous. Some people are dangerous. Virtually all people become dangerous when exposed to the proper set of incentives.
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July 24th, 2012 at 3:37:18 PM permalink
I will shoot the next person who speaks in favor of gun control.
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January 16th, 2013 at 12:28:35 PM permalink
So Sheriff Obama has decided that since all doctors
now work for the gov't thru Obamacare, he's deputizing
them to ask questions about our guns. They have to
ask how many we have, where they are in the house,
where the ammo is, what kinds of guns they are. And
the doctor writes this all down and it goes in our record
that the gov't can now access any time it likes.

Gee, isn't this a rosy picture. Will doctors have to wear
an actual swastika on their arm to show their allegiance
to Supreme Leader Obama? And if the doctors refuse
to ask, what then. How will they be punished?

How about its none of your fricking business where my
legally purchased and registered guns are. Did we just
become Nazi Germany overnight?
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:11:08 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

since all doctors
now work for the gov't thru Obamacare, he's deputizing
them to ask questions about our guns.



Your source?
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:15:43 PM permalink
Right here http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/medicare.asp
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:28:54 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Your source?



Obama, of course. "We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities." "Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms.."

Obama is issuing a letter to all doctors that there
is no federal law preventing them from giving a patient
the 3rd degree about what guns they own, where
they are, etc.

So what happens when some guy goes to his doctor
to get his big toe looked at, and the doctor asks no
gun questions, and the next day the guy shoots 10
people. Of course the Fed's will come knocking on
the doctors door, that the purpose of this. Doctors
are now Obama Snitches, and woe be unto them if
they don't comply.

Edit:

"The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms."

Doctors, you work for me (Obama) now, I own your
asses with Obamacare. You better ask about guns
or we're going to make it a requirement. We want
to know where every gun is in every house in the
country, and you're the tool we'll use to get that info.
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:45:43 PM permalink
I think you're overdoing it here.

The goal of the paragraph with doctors is for them to ascertain a threat to those who may be mentally incapable or under a threat of medical violence and then be able to report it to authorities. There are states that prevent doctors from even asking those questions.

The first question that crisis hotlines ask when someone gets on the phone to report violence, problems in the home, or mental disorders, is "is there a threat of violence" and "is there a gun in the home?". At that point, if the crisis hotline determines that there is a threat, they call the authorities, and in the case of children, they have no discretion (in our country anyway).

This is the purpose of the law. There is no federal law that should prevent a doctor from asking a patient whether guns are in the home and be able to report that to authorities. Conversely, there is NO REQUIREMENT that doctors must ask that question, but the question is a valid one in some circumstances and might prevent a life-or-death situation. The last time I checked, there was no one handcuffing you to the doctor's office -- you can always go somewhere else. You can lie. You can probably say, "none of your business" and not get arrested.

This is exactly that the NRA was asking for - some way to identify mentally unstable people and to alert the authorities (and remove the guns from the home).
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:46:56 PM permalink
"more than 26,000 new gun-related jobs have been created over the past two years."

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-firearms-industry-inside-numbers-184833993.html

at least give credit to Obama
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:52:54 PM permalink
Naw. Credit Bush.
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:52:59 PM permalink
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-05-13-nra-doctors-guns_n.htm

Obama just made it almost mandatory for doctors
to ask about guns. Too bad he can't make us answer.

Yet.
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January 16th, 2013 at 1:55:30 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

"more than 26,000 new gun-related jobs have been created over the past two years."

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-firearms-industry-inside-numbers-184833993.html

at least give credit to Obama



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January 16th, 2013 at 2:03:38 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo



The goal of the paragraph with doctors is for them to ascertain a threat to those who may be mentally incapable .



But thats a big BIG umbrella. Doctors aren't trained
psychologists, who are they to determine who's
mentally incapable . And if they do
think that about somebody, whats with all the gun questions?
Just report the guy as mentally incapable who might
be prone to violence.

Obama is using this as an excuse to find out where the
guns are. The Lib's have been crying themselves to sleep
for 40 years trying to figure out a way to take our guns.
This is the first step. To take them, you first have to know
where they are. Duh...
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January 16th, 2013 at 2:17:47 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Right here http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/medicare.asp



"The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have?
Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !"

Point being, why is the nurse saying this? Where
did she get that info from? Taking our guns has
to start somewhere. Obviously it already has.
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January 16th, 2013 at 2:42:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-05-13-nra-doctors-guns_n.htm

Obama just made it almost mandatory for doctors
to ask about guns. Too bad he can't make us answer.

Yet.



That story does not go with your commentary.

The word "Obama" doesn't even appear in it.

Try harder Bob, if your story is correct, you'd find better than an article about an argument between the Physicians and the NRA about the right of doctors to ask about guns in the house. The -right- mind, not the compulsion to do for Obama or any other administration.
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January 16th, 2013 at 2:46:54 PM permalink
Furthermore, I suggest you read the very last paragraph of the Snopes article. Which states the January 16th statement from Obama, is about allowing people to ask about guns, AND that there is no requirement for Medicare agents to record information about guns.

Maybe that's false, or there is a hidden agenda that you are finding in all these articles.
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January 16th, 2013 at 3:07:38 PM permalink
Of course there's a hidden agenda. Obama wants your gun so that he can declare an unconstested dictatorship and then team up with the future AntiChrist Prince William and bring on the 2nd coming of Christ.

And you think I'm joking.
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January 16th, 2013 at 4:41:17 PM permalink
I certainly hope that, once BHO is run out of office, the Republicans reciprocate in kind. Issue official recommendations to all medical professionals that...

"...No laws or regulations in any way forbid or discourage doctors from educating their patients about the long-confirmed effectiveness of personal firearms in preventing a wide variety of medical issues, ranging from bruises and bone fractures to depression and PTSD, and of the higher success rate and lower cost of prevention compared to symptomatic treatment.

Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to answer and preempt their patients’ questions about hearing protection equipment, safe storage and usage practices, and high quality firearms available on the American markets, as well as provide them at a reasonable commission, allowing patients to exercise their rights when and where they are needed the most.

It is important to remember that medical care facilities do not belong to the list of firearm exclusion zones, and there is no regulation against our fine manufacturers bringing the retail distribution on hospital premises, nor any no justifiable reason for their administrative staff to impede this process in any way."
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