What's under the felt at Four Queens and Fitzgeralds?
February 11th, 2011 at 10:25:55 AM
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Quote: WizardIf anybody wants to meet me about 2PM tomorrow for my bouncy table test, PM me.
I would have put on a fake beard, a tie-dye t-shirt, and a funny hat, walked up one of the tables when it was empty, and leaned over, frowning--then palpated the table surface once or twice, after which I would have reacted in horror, pulled out a crystal on a string, dangled it over the affected area, chanted something in Tibetan, then walked away quickly without another word.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
February 11th, 2011 at 10:33:35 AM
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My theory is that the casino introduced the "washboard", because they DO believe that controlled shooting is possible.
However, I don't think they believe that anyone can overcome the randomizing effects of the wall pyramids. My suspicion is that their real worry is centered on the shooters that avoid the wall pyramids with "killshots" in the flat area below the bottom row of bumps, throw/slide one or both dice short or with just enough velocity to kiss the back wall without extra rebound action.
The washboard serves the same purpose as the "speedbumps" installed across some tables to prevent shooters from simply sliding the dice. It is an additional measure to make it more difficult for skilled shooters to circumvent the traditional randomizing features already built into the equipment. Interesting YouTube video here. But don't believe everything you hear.
However, I don't think they believe that anyone can overcome the randomizing effects of the wall pyramids. My suspicion is that their real worry is centered on the shooters that avoid the wall pyramids with "killshots" in the flat area below the bottom row of bumps, throw/slide one or both dice short or with just enough velocity to kiss the back wall without extra rebound action.
The washboard serves the same purpose as the "speedbumps" installed across some tables to prevent shooters from simply sliding the dice. It is an additional measure to make it more difficult for skilled shooters to circumvent the traditional randomizing features already built into the equipment. Interesting YouTube video here. But don't believe everything you hear.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
February 11th, 2011 at 12:20:45 PM
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It's clear that Superrick is confused about the effect of the "washboards". There's no way that they could increase the percentage of sevens rolled. Of course, if he believes he can DECREASE the number of sevens on a table without "washboards", and they defeat his ability to do that, he has reason to believe he is worse off, but not in the way he describes.
Then, he is also confused about the effect of more sevens on the don't pass. Yes, more sevens would mean more comeout losses, but these would be more than compensated for by the increase in seven-out sevens. Since the line bets are resolved on the comeout only 1/3 of the time (somewhat less than that on the DP, due to the push), the increase in sevens would weigh more heavily after the point.
Of course, as someone pointed out, if you really believed there were 8/36 sevens, just make lay bets and not worry about any comeout losses.
It seems to me it won't be interpreted as cheating, because washboards do not change the expected distribution of dice outcomes.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
Then, he is also confused about the effect of more sevens on the don't pass. Yes, more sevens would mean more comeout losses, but these would be more than compensated for by the increase in seven-out sevens. Since the line bets are resolved on the comeout only 1/3 of the time (somewhat less than that on the DP, due to the push), the increase in sevens would weigh more heavily after the point.
Of course, as someone pointed out, if you really believed there were 8/36 sevens, just make lay bets and not worry about any comeout losses.
It seems to me it won't be interpreted as cheating, because washboards do not change the expected distribution of dice outcomes.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
Cheers,
Alan Shank
"How's that for a squabble, Pugh?" Peter Boyle as Mister Moon in "Yellowbeard"
