AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 12:21:37 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

But you dont have children so its difficult to understand why you have any ability to judge.

I had 2 children public schooled

I had one grandchild home schooled

From my own personal experience in this matter the public school did better

What experience do you have with child schooling?



I spent 13 years in school. It felt like prison. Not that there were not classes I did not enjoy, but in this day and age there have to be better ways.

One child homeschooled you say did not work out as well. That is your entire basis for objection to homeschooling?

We are in the early stages of the collapse of the current schooling model. Colleges are already feeling it. The next generation I figure some big changes are to come. Lots more homeschooling, charter schools, and even a few parents getting together to share homeschool duties. This will be a very good thing.
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June 11th, 2019 at 12:31:34 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I donít have kids and never ever want them, so I donít really have a dog in this fight.

But school isnít just about learning. Itís about socializing.

Home schooled kids miss out on that. And a heck of a lot of them end up as friggin weirdos.

Are home school kids more or less likely to shoot up a school? I think homeschooling done correctly is much better than regular school.

Nowadays I believe the homeschool system has a social system in place including sports etc etc.
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darkoz
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June 11th, 2019 at 12:35:34 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I spent 13 years in school. It felt like prison. Not that there were not classes I did not enjoy, but in this day and age there have to be better ways.

One child homeschooled you say did not work out as well. That is your entire basis for objection to homeschooling?

We are in the early stages of the collapse of the current schooling model. Colleges are already feeling it. The next generation I figure some big changes are to come. Lots more homeschooling, charter schools, and even a few parents getting together to share homeschool duties. This will be a very good thing.



I make my basis for objection on the same singular evidence you do. You had a bad experience at school. Thats you. There are many who dont.

I too felt school seemed like a prison. But the alternative methods have their own set of problems

For one thing parents individually have different skill sets. A dozen children home schooled will have a dozen different levels of good or bad teaching.

While a dozen kids in school will have the same level of teaching from a shared professor.

Yes there are bad professors but the idea is they are monitored by a school board for consistency.
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June 11th, 2019 at 12:35:57 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I spent 13 years in school. It felt like prison. Not that there were not classes I did not enjoy, but in this day and age there have to be better ways.



I thought you liked people exposed to the bumps and bruises of the real world, not living in sheltered protection zones. Since you complain about college kids not being prepared -- is why I thought that.
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AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 1:13:29 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I thought you liked people exposed to the bumps and bruises of the real world, not living in sheltered protection zones. Since you complain about college kids not being prepared -- is why I thought that.



Exposed to bumps and bruises yes. Trapped in an environment approaching a prison no need for that.
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AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 1:15:34 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I make my basis for objection on the same singular evidence you do. You had a bad experience at school. Thats you. There are many who dont.

I too felt school seemed like a prison. But the alternative methods have their own set of problems

For one thing parents individually have different skill sets. A dozen children home schooled will have a dozen different levels of good or bad teaching.

While a dozen kids in school will have the same level of teaching from a shared professor.

Yes there are bad professors but the idea is they are monitored by a school board for consistency.



Parents have different skill levels. So what? They will be using all kinds of methods and resources. As to the school board monitoring I do not see that as being so great given the nationwide results.
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rxwine
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June 11th, 2019 at 1:37:31 PM permalink
I don't know about home schooling but they have private and public schools.

Quote:

South Korea is one of the top-performing OECD countries in reading literacy, mathematics and sciences with the average student scoring 542. The country has one of the worlds highest-educated labour forces among OECD countries.[9][10] The country is well known for its obsession with education, which has come to be called "education fever".[11][12][13] The resource-poor nation is consistently ranked amongst the top for global education. In the 2014 national rankings of studentsí math and science scores by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), South Korea ranked second place worldwide, after Singapore.[14]

Higher education is an overwhelmingly serious issue in South Korea society, where it is viewed as one of the fundamental cornerstones of South Korean life. Education is regarded with a high priority for South Korean families, as success in education is necessary for improving one's socioeconomic position in South Korean society.[4][15] Academic success is often a source of pride for families and within South Korean society at large. South Koreans view education as the main propeller of social mobility for themselves and their family as a gateway to the South Korean middle class. Graduating from a top university is the ultimate marker of prestige, high socioeconomic status, promising marriage prospects, and a respectable career path.[16] An average South Korean child's life revolves around education as pressure to succeed academically is deeply ingrained in South Korean children from an early age. Those who lack a formal university education often face social prejudice.[17]



Then there's this:

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The system's rigid and hierarchical structure has been criticized for stifling creativity and innovation;[26][27] described as intensely and "brutally" competitive,[28] The system is often blamed for the high suicide rate in South Korea, particularly the growing rates among those aged 10Ė19. Various media outlets attribute the nations high suicide rate on the nationwide anxiety around the country's college entrance exams, which determine the trajectory of students' entire lives and careers.[29][30] Former South Korean hagwon teacher Se-Woong Koo wrote that the South Korean education system amounts to child abuse and that it should be "reformed and restructured without delay."[31] The system has also been criticized for producing an excess supply of university graduates creating an overeducated and underemployed labor force; in the first quarter of 2013 alone, nearly 3.3 million South Korean university graduates were jobless, leading many graduates overqualified for jobs requiring less education.[32] Further criticism has been stemmed for causing labor shortages in various skilled blue collar labor and vocational occupations, where many go unfilled as the negative social stigma associated with vocational careers and not having a university degree continues to remain deep-rooted in South Korean society



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_South_Korea
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darkoz
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June 11th, 2019 at 2:02:19 PM permalink
I suspect the real reason righties want home schooling is not for the benefit of the children but they just cant stand their tax dollars going to education especially of undeserving kids like dreamers and poorer parents
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AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 2:13:27 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I suspect the real reason righties want home schooling is not for the benefit of the children but they just cant stand their tax dollars going to education especially of undeserving kids like dreamers and poorer parents



We have to pay the taxes either way.

One thing we do not want is the indoctrination that passes for education. Why on earth do kids need to learn about history of gays for one example.
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darkoz
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June 11th, 2019 at 3:05:41 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

We have to pay the taxes either way.

One thing we do not want is the indoctrination that passes for education. Why on earth do kids need to learn about history of gays for one example.



Because history is important because it happened.

Ignoring history you dont like is not the proper study of history

At amy rate why would gay history in the US be anymore or a problem than black history?

Your not liking homosexuals should not influence school decisions
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