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February 12th, 2013 at 9:13:48 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

There are 540 chips in my current collection. I may collect as many as 300 more before the end of the year. How many have we already covered?


So far, this thread has posts of chips from 294 casinos. I'm not sure just how many of those are not represented in your collection, but I think only a few and mostly those that went out of business before you started collecting. If you do get 300 more, then that suggests you will have at least 546 more chips to post after today. I'm pretty sure that I have a few more in my collection that aren't in yours, particularly cruise ships and international ones. Then there are all those casinos that neither of us have been to but some other members have, and maybe they will post images here in turn.

With at least a couple of replies to each daily chip post, there really should be enough ammunition (mostly in your ammo belt) for this thread to survive to reach the top spot. Yep, I guess it's possible.

Should we try to set an over/under date for when that might happen? Just because of the symbolism, I'm going make the highly-optimistic guess that it could happen while we are in Las Vegas for WoVCon ]I[. That won't be the case if the thread goes through dead periods like the weekends often are.
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February 12th, 2013 at 9:42:29 AM permalink
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Yes. They acquired the Laughlin and Las Vegas properties in completely separate transactions in September 2005. I'm not sure which purchase was closed first, but they were very close together.



Note that "Landry's" is owned by the third Fertitta brother[ (correction: a Fertitta cousin), Tillman (Lorenzo and Frank III, own Stations Casinos, and control the UFC empire). I am not sure how close they are, but I assume there is some "cross-pollination" going on between their competing casino businesses.
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February 12th, 2013 at 10:18:11 AM permalink
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Note that "Landry's" is owned by the third Fertitta brother...


I thought he was a cousin, not a brother. Do I have that wrong?
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February 12th, 2013 at 10:28:48 AM permalink
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I thought he was a cousin, not a brother. Do I have that wrong?



No. You are correct Doc. I'll make a correction. Thanks!
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February 13th, 2013 at 7:22:15 AM permalink
State: New Jersey
City: Atlantic City
Casino: Harrah's Marina


Bill Harrah planned his third casino (following Reno and Lake Tahoe) for Atlantic City and chose a location in the Marina District, well away from the Boardwalk where all of the other casinos were located. The plan had not come to fruition when he died in 1978. In 1980, Harrah's Inc., including all three of the casino and planned-casino properties, was sold to Holiday Inn.

I guess this is a convenient place to tell a chapter of the convoluted Harrah's/Caesars history that I don't think I have gotten to before. Holiday Inn owned a share of a casino next to their hotel on the strip in Las Vegas, and after purchasing Harrah's Inc., they opened the Harrah's Marina in Atlantic City late in 1980, opened Bill's Casino in Lake Tahoe in 1987 and Harrah's Laughlin in 1988.

In 1990, there was a split, and I'm not at all sure I have the whole story. Part of Holiday Inn was sold to a British firm and part was spun off as a new entity known as The Promus Companies, which included the casino businesses that had continued to expand. Promus further split in 1995, separating the remaining hotel businesses from the casino operations, which were then renamed Harrah's Entertainment. After that came the highly-leveraged, take-it-private maneuvers, the purchase of Caesars Entertainment, and all that other stuff. End of chapter.

After buying Harrah's Inc., Holiday Inn revised the planned name of the Atlantic City Casino to Holiday Inn Marina Casino. Later, while the construction was still underway, they recognized the value of the Harrah's name in the casino industry and chose to use the original name for the property: Harrah's Marina.

The MOGH catalog has a single example of a $1 chip with the Holiday Inn Marina name, a chip that apparently never entered play. That web page claims that the Holiday Inn was "Denied gaming license and never opened", but I have not found any other reference to that tale. I suspect that it's just an error, since the same company continued to own the property when it did open under the Harrah's banner with a casino license. Maybe the "denied" comment on that web page just means that Holiday Inn never completed the application process for a casino license with the Holiday Inn Marina name.

Because I didn't keep early records of my casino visits and gaming, I'm not sure when I first visited Harrah's Marina and got my souvenir chip. My wife and I stayed at the place that night in August 2011 that I mentioned in yesterdays Chip of the Day post, when Hurricane Irene blew in and began our Grand Adventure. On that visit, I won a grand total of $25 playing craps, far too little to make up for my losses across the street.

By the time of that visit, the Harrah's Marina casino name had changed to Harrah's Atlantic City, though I don't know just when that change took place. I apparently wasn't paying attention and didn't pick up a new souvenir chip with the revised name. I frequently re-visit casinos that are using a newer issue of chips than the one in my collection, but I generally pick up on when the place has actually changed names and warrants a new souvenir for the "new" casino. I'll have to make up for that oversight on my next visit to Atlantic City, when I also plan to pick up one from the not-open-just-yet-with-a-new-name Margaritaville.

(Side note to rdw4potus: if your chip says "Harrah's Atlantic City" without reference to the marina, why not hold off posting that one, and we can add it to the directory as a "different" casino while you are leading the thread. Maybe I will have one to post by then as well.)

On the other hand, this is a reminder that everyone who has a different souvenir chip with the same casino name as the one I post is invited to post their chip image, too. If you have one from "Harrah's Marina", please post it now. On the bizarre chance you happen to have your own Holiday Inn Marina casino chip, I would be delighted to see it and to hear the tale of how you got it.

There was one other Atlantic City Casino that briefly bore the Harrah's name, the joint-venture Harrah's Trump Plaza Casino, aka Harrah's at Trump Plaza, which operated under that name until it was renamed just plain Trump Plaza Casino. More on that when I get to a relevant chip, which won't say Harrah's.

The chip shown below is a white, plastic injection molded chip with the center being a silver-toned coin insert within a surrounding black ring. The Harrah's name is shown in black on the outer ring -- note the club suit pip being used as the apostrophe! The rest of the name Marina Hotel-Casino appears both in black on the outer ring and impressed into the center coin, while the denomination appears twice on the ring and once on the coin. There are four black diamonds on the edge of the coin, aligned with the center of the denomination marks and names and not visible in the photo.

The MOGH catalog indicates that this chip is from Bud Jones, but I do not see any logo and do not have any other basis for identifying the manufacturer. MOGH shows several variations of this chip, some with edge "inserts" and some with a gray ring around the coin instead of the black one. The unused Holiday Inn Marina chip in that catalog is identical to this chip except instead of "Harrah's", it says "Holiday Inn" in their script font.

Nothing on this chip fluoresces under UV light.

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February 13th, 2013 at 9:38:25 AM permalink
I like the chips with the metal inserts. It has an aura of permanence about it. The description says "silvertone" but the image actually looks like brass on my monitor.
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February 13th, 2013 at 10:27:44 AM permalink


Here's my chip from Harrah's Marina. The center of this chip is definitely silvertone. I wonder if it's the same color as doc's, or if there's a difference between the coloring on the $1 and $5 chips.
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February 13th, 2013 at 11:39:22 AM permalink
Your Caesars history brought to mind a rather strange situation that existed for a while at Caesars Palace, Las Vegas (possibly other juristictions as well). When Disney bought ITT Sheraton and had control of Casesars Palace it put them in a conflict of interest situation because they also owned the Anaheim Ducks (then still the 'Mighty Ducks of Anaheim'). The regulators made the sport book at CP pull out all NHL gambling from the book. I was a little pissed at the time because I always stayed at Caesars and the only sports book betting I did was on the NHL since it was the only sport I followed closely enough to have any chance of winning.
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February 13th, 2013 at 11:53:02 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

The description says "silvertone" but the image actually looks like brass on my monitor.


The coin on my chip is the same color/tone as the one on rdw4potus's chip; we just have different lighting in the photos. Some of these coin inserts get discolored, as if they were rusting. I don't know what kind of exposure or mistreatment it takes to cause that. I don't have any examples like that in my collection, because I only keep one chip of a kind and try to avoid the ones that look really nasty.

A quick scan over the display on my desk top indicates that the chip I posted from the Colorado Belle in Laughlin is the only one I have with a brass coin insert.
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February 13th, 2013 at 3:25:33 PM permalink
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When Disney bought ITT Sheraton and had control of Casesars Palace it put them in a conflict of interest situation because they also owned the Anaheim Ducks.


That is an interesting trivia piece, kenarman. These corporate buyouts can become quite convoluted, and I had not (still have not) found another reference to Disney having acquired ITT Sheraton and Caesars.

ITT had purchased Sheraton Hotels in 1968 and called that division ITT Sheraton. As I included in my post with the Caesars chip, I had found that ITT also purchased Caesars World in 1995, but I wasn't and still am not sure whether they included it in their ITT Sheraton division. When I said that ITT was purchased by Starwood Hotels in 1998, that was a reference to their non-manufacturing and non-insurance businesses, which included the hotels and the casinos.

When was it that Disney bought ITT Sheraton and Caesars? I just can't find anything about that. (Hey, I'm not pacomartin!)

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