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December 14th, 2011 at 3:31:57 PM permalink
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Thanks for your trust. Yes, I stand behind both of them.


"If gambling didn't make casinos money, they would shut down or restructure to offer more profitable services.

If you're a gambler, you could keep trying to win against the casinos, but long-term most people won't succeed. Casino gambling is designed so that the house wins more often than the player. And nobody can escape that. If a player found some way to swing the odds in their favour, the casino would change the rules or ban the player. Casinos are not charities.

So a gambler can make money by selling advice to other players. He (or she) doesn't need to know a secret about how to win, he just has to pretend that he does. Other gamblers will listen because they are so keen to win.

In my personal opinion, the gambling writer is no better or worse than the casino. They both are trying to make money off people by pretending that it is easy to win." ( http://www.psychforums.com/gambling-addiction/topic76068.html )
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 14th, 2011 at 3:59:51 PM permalink
Quote: BovadaService

Hi All - Bovada Customer Service here!.


Well, maybe you can and want to comment to a couple of things which the "Wizard", in your employ(?), has repeatedly conspicuously avoided.

To begin, how is your "casino" any different from the myriad of others with similar "reputation"? Is the only reason the Wizard "plugs" only yours that he is paid a lot(?) to do so? Paid a lot(?) to convince the "intelligent" that knowing the simple math involved ought to justify "the habit". ( Some Bodog complaints at http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=morris+mohawk+gaming+group+complaints&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripoffreport.com%2Fdirectory%2Fmorris-mohawk-gaming.aspx&ei=ZDPpTuvBDqji2QXKgfHACw&usg=AFQjCNHMe_Xmz-eaYee9zjO-DI-IvT8nnA )

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Previously Morris Mohawk Gaming Group licensed the use of the Bodog Brand to operate and instead, but we will now operate under the Bovada Brand name.


Wasn't that a pretend change of ownership, to further try to insulate its fugitive founder from US and Cdn federal prosecution? Maybe "the law" is getting too-close for comfort again; or there are changes coming to the Reserves(?), where the old servers lay?

Quote: BovadaService

As for Bovada.LV as a name choice, we want to build a unique, strong brand. Bovada is a name we can make into whatever we want. As well, the fact it starts with “B-O” should help you find us in your browser for the first few weeks.


That's pretty-much what Calvin said about the old name, when others commented on its simple-mindedness. Looks like he's still "in the picture".
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 14th, 2011 at 4:34:38 PM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

someone pissed in my corn flakes today


Tone it down please. If you are so steadfastly anti-gambling and anti-casinos, then it stands to reason you would be happier if you avoided things that are gambling-related.
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December 14th, 2011 at 6:44:34 PM permalink
Garnabby, there is something to be said about respect and class. If I invited you into my home and you did nothing but insult it, chances are you wouldn't be asked back. This is my site, and you should keep that in mind. I know you're not breaking any rules, but there is something to be said for unwritten rules. Bodog basically pays for this site. I don't force anyone to play there, but you are enjoying the service of this site at their expense and mine. Just remember where you are.
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December 15th, 2011 at 8:56:48 AM permalink
Quote: JB

Tone it down please.


Then kindly please do not quote me on that which I DID NOT WRITE; or of which is so-out-of-character as to beg a link.
Quote: JB

Quote: Garnabby

Garnabby: Someone pissed in my corn flakes today.


Quote: JB

If you are so steadfastly anti-gambling and anti-casinos, then it stands to reason you would be happier if you avoided things that are gambling-related.


At least you had the wherewithall to prefix that with an if. Anyway, why should even someone who is "anti-gambing" not be allowed a voice? Surely not because of the obvious rhetoric like, "you would be happier if you avoided things that are gambling-related."
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 15th, 2011 at 9:12:51 AM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

Then kindly please do not quote me on that which I DID NOT WRITE.


Rather than quote a whole page of angry rambling, I summarized it in a concise sentence that said essentially the same thing.

Quote: Garnabby

At least you had the wherewithall to prefix that with an if. Anyway, why should even someone who is "anti-gambing" not be allowed a voice? Surely not because of the obvious rhetoric like, "you would be happier if you avoided things that are gambling-related."


You haven't been silenced. I just don't understand why you need to take your frustrations out on others. Quite frankly, you have the attitude of someone who lost a lot of money gambling and wants to blame the casinos and those who support them.
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December 15th, 2011 at 9:24:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Garnabby, there is something to be said about respect and class.


There sure is. Respect is something which must be earned. It has very little to do with "making a bet".

I was simply and openly questioning your conflict of interests between reseacher/promoter/adjunct prof/web-site owner/endorser. It shows up in biases toward posters such as myself, and how you "go after" whom in the industry (if that's required), egs.

Quote: Wizard

If I invited you into my home and you did nothing but insult it, chances are you wouldn't be asked back.


That's odd, with no 's'. I was very-careful, expressly to avoid this sort of reaction, to be forthcoming but factual and measured with each and every one of my posts on this board.
Quote: Wizard

This is my site, and you should keep that in mind. I know you're not breaking any rules, but there is something to be said for unwritten rules.


Please fill me in on those "unwritten rules" for your board. You mentioned to start new threads instead of ask these questions where arise. But would you address things there, or continue to avoid it?

Quote: Wizard

I don't force anyone to play there.Just remember where you are.


I would hope not, were that really up to you. But you do hand out A LOT OF ADVICE.

Quote: Wizard

Just remember where you are.


I am someone who has never "sold out" to anyone. I won't soon forget that.


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DISCLAIMER: I will not be held accountable for things which i neither write nor expressly imply.
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 15th, 2011 at 9:26:22 AM permalink
Quote: JB

Rather than quote a whole page of angry rambling, I summarized it in a concise sentence that said essentially the same thing.


Ask FrGamble, "Would that be an appropriate revision to his bible?" A lot of persons might believe it.

Quote: JB

Quite frankly, you have the attitude of someone who lost a lot of money gambling and wants to blame the casinos and those who support them.


Thank you, for your candor.
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 15th, 2011 at 10:43:52 AM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

I was simply and openly questioning your conflict of interests between reseacher/promoter/adjunct prof/web-site owner/endorser. It shows up in biases toward posters such as myself, and how you "go after" whom in the industry (if that's required), egs.



If I could run my sites without advertising, I'd be happy to. In fact, I did for the first three years. However, ultimately, I have to put rice on the table. If there is a better way than I'm doing now, I'm all ears. Once I tried the donation method in an adverting-free period. The number of people in the whole world who made a donation -- two.

So, yes, I would have to admit to some conflict of interest when it comes to Bodog or Bovada. You don't need to keep belaboring the point.

Quote: Garnabby

Please fill me in on those "unwritten rules" for your board.



Let me put it this way.

Would you go to a forum about fishing and rant about what a stupid waste of time it was to just stand there for hours, doing nothing 97% of the time.

Would you go to a forum about wine and rant how terrible it tastes.

Would you go to a forum for fans of the Chicago Cubs and do nothing but rant about how much they stink.

Maybe YOU would. However, most people understand about showing a little respect for the forum they are on and the type of people they are around. Maybe you default to disrespecting until respect is earned. Speaking only for myself, if I'm in someone else's house, business, or web site, I understand I'm a guest and mind my manners about what I say and do. If respect is lost, then I just leave.
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December 15th, 2011 at 2:31:04 PM permalink
Garnabby you are earning no respect with the rubbish you spew. If you don't like the topic of this forum... leave. If you don't like gambling... don't gamble. if you don't like Bodog/Bovada... don't visit their site.

Your rambling, partially on topic, partially unrecognizable points are neither informative nor entertaining.

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December 15th, 2011 at 2:52:13 PM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

There sure is. Respect is something which must be earned. It has very little to do with "making a bet".

I was simply and openly questioning your conflict of interests between reseacher/promoter/adjunct prof/web-site owner/endorser. It shows up in biases toward posters such as myself, and how you "go after" whom in the industry (if that's required), egs.



You don't think working through the mathematics of hundreds of games and side bets, not to mention explaining them in great detail and providing free Excel spreadsheets for people interested in calculations earns some respect?

There is no conflict of interest in endorsing. Most of us are aware that gambling is done for profit. The Wizard does not try to hide his arrangement with Bodog, he actually does quite the opposite. As Mike is not a religious person, he is unable to feed his family with manna from heaven. He openly acknowledged that he is professionally involved in the gaming business.

The worst offenders in a forum are ones that bring nothing to the table. You are welcome to be a contrarian, but do try to make a point.
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December 15th, 2011 at 3:47:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

If I could run my sites without advertising, I'd be happy to. In fact, I did for the first three years. However, ultimately, I have to put rice on the table. If there is a better way than I'm doing now, I'm all ears. Once I tried the donation method in an adverting-free period. The number of people in the whole world who made a donation -- two.

So, yes, I would have to admit to some conflict of interest when it comes to Bodog or Bovada. You don't need to keep belaboring the point.



Let me put it this way.

Would you go to a forum about fishing and rant about what a stupid waste of time it was to just stand there for hours, doing nothing 97% of the time.

Would you go to a forum about wine and rant how terrible it tastes.

Would you go to a forum for fans of the Chicago Cubs and do nothing but rant about how much they stink.

Maybe YOU would. However, most people understand about showing a little respect for the forum they are on and the type of people they are around. Maybe you default to disrespecting until respect is earned. Speaking only for myself, if I'm in someone else's house, business, or web site, I understand I'm a guest and mind my manners about what I say and do. If respect is lost, then I just leave.



Mike,

Are you contemplating the solicitation of additional advertisers for either WOV or WOO in 2012?
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December 15th, 2011 at 4:34:24 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard




Let me put it this way.

Would you go to a forum about fishing and rant about what a stupid waste of time it was to just stand there for hours, doing nothing 97% of the time.

Would you go to a forum about wine and rant how terrible it tastes.

Would you go to a forum for fans of the Chicago Cubs and do nothing but rant about how much they stink.

.


Wiz I see them all the time on other boards. They call them trolls. Maybe they should call them Garnabbys
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December 15th, 2011 at 4:51:31 PM permalink
Quote: ncfatcat

Wiz I see them all the time on other boards. They call them trolls. Maybe they should call them Garnabbys



I cant believe how far off topic this thread has gone, trolls, ceilings, fishing, wine, some american "football" (and I use the term loosely) team Ive never even heard of. I vote we boot the troll, there doesnt seem to be any reason for him/her to be here other than to piss people off.

Back on topic, this might mean I make Bodog my new poker home now the field is smaller for WSOP seats etc, do you know if they have any plans for a major marketing drive? I would honestly say they are not even in the top 10 of sites people would name in terms of a casino/pokerroom/sportsbook etc. I used them for poker games back when I owned the poker league, and every sign up was a new one, nobody ever said they already had an account, which worked out good for me, but went to show their image here is a small one.
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December 15th, 2011 at 5:11:46 PM permalink
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Are you contemplating the solicitation of additional advertisers for either WOV or WOO in 2012?



No.
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December 15th, 2011 at 5:21:21 PM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

I was simply and openly questioning your conflict of interests between reseacher/promoter/adjunct prof/web-site owner/endorser. It shows up in biases toward posters such as myself, and how you "go after" whom in the industry (if that's required), egs.


Where's the conflict? WoO provides mathematical analyses of casino games. Those are objective by definition: math is amoral and non-judgmental. WoO also provides gameplay strategy advice, primarily based on minimizing the theoretical casino edge. That's also objective.

WoO is also sponsored by Bodog / Bovada, and (as I understand it) the terms of that sponsorship include exclusive advertising rights targeted at the many readers of the WoO site. I see no breach of ethical responsibility, express or implied, in the fact that WoO carries advertisements for services likely to be consumed by its readers. So where's the conflict?
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December 15th, 2011 at 5:34:50 PM permalink
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I cant believe how far off topic this thread has gone . . . . some american "football" (and I use the term loosely) team Ive never even heard of.



WoE - Actually, it's a baseball team, and a pretty bad one at that! (You know baseball, right? It's a little like cricket but more entertaining and a ton easier to follow.)
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December 15th, 2011 at 5:36:22 PM permalink
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Would you go to a forum for fans of the Chicago Cubs and do nothing but rant about how much they stink.



I would, but then I'm a Cardinals fan and I love rubbing our success versus their ineptitude in their faces.
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December 15th, 2011 at 5:39:51 PM permalink
Quote: Toes14

WoE - Actually, it's a baseball team, and a pretty bad one at that! (You know baseball, right? It's a little like cricket but more entertaining and a ton easier to follow.)



Lol, baseball is a game played here, but mostly by school kids. Its called rounders though. Cant believe some of the richest sportmen in the world are famous for playing a game only played here by kids. Next there will be professional dodge ball.... oh wait
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December 15th, 2011 at 6:19:04 PM permalink
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Cant believe some of the richest sportmen in the world are famous for playing a game only played here by kids. Next there will be professional dodge ball.... oh wait




How do I put this...You're describing soccer in the USA;-)
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December 15th, 2011 at 6:55:59 PM permalink
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How do I put this...You're describing soccer in the USA;-)



Ah ha! but there are now professional "soccer" players in the US, there are no professional baseball players in the UK (at least not that I am aware of). All that said, I wouldnt mind seeing a baseball game, quite like the aspect of the occasion, a hot dog, some beers and people being hit in the face by a very dense object.
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December 15th, 2011 at 9:15:42 PM permalink
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Garnabby you are earning no respect with the rubbish you spew. If you don't like the topic of this forum... leave. If you don't like gambling... don't gamble. if you don't like Bodog/Bovada... don't visit their site.

Your rambling, partially on topic, partially unrecognizable points are neither informative nor entertaining.

Zcore13

...Wow, I couldn't have said it better. :)

How come Garnabby hasn't commented again on this thread since the first page? I'm not complaining but was wondering if he/she actually finally left the forum or not, because I do agree, if the stuff on this site is not something you have an interest in then why be on here in the first place? I kindly welcome people's differing opinions but for me, and I would assume most people who join forums, I like to feel a sense of community amongst the members.
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December 15th, 2011 at 9:30:59 PM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

.. I kindly welcome people's differing opinions but for me, and I would assume most people who join forums, I like to feel a sense of community amongst the members.

Some seem solely to enjoy disrupting any such sense of community.

Gambling writers? Guidebook authors tend to address the good points first but they usually mention the negatives as well. I see no reason to tarnish all casinos and all gambling writers. Make it appear easy to win? It is easy to win. It takes the same strength to push the little red button and win and it does to push the little red button and lose. Anyone pushing the little red button knows what he is doing.
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December 16th, 2011 at 10:10:13 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

How come Garnabby hasn't commented again on this thread since the first page?


Could it be that Garnabby, me, didn't start this "thread"? Like i didn't actually write what JB still claims, about the "corn flakes".

Anyway, i wouldn't start a thread with so little substance. Or, maybe it's just the "Bodog way"? (Nah, couldn't be the latter, right? There're just so many good reasons to gamble, to have to resort to those "tactics".)


P.S.1 I hope Mike doesn't mind taking his own basic advice from time to time, namely, "... AS LONG AS YOU had A GOOD BET".
P.S.2 What happened to Doc, the Wiz's #1 science guy whom he was 100% behind? I don't think he likes me much either.
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 16th, 2011 at 10:19:12 AM permalink
Oh, and i don't plan on being back here for at least a day or two, or three. Another Human Rights case "in the oven" for next week; and a weekend dinner to attend. Know i've been telling of my retirement, but there will always be odd and ends, now and then.

So, don't take anything as-silly here "by me" too seriously until then. (Wink.)
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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December 16th, 2011 at 10:48:08 AM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

Could it be that Garnabby, me, didn't start this "thread"? Like i didn't actually write what JB still claims, about the "corn flakes".


I believe we already addressed this; I said I summarized your rambling in a short, concise statement. Nowhere did I claim that you said exactly those words.

Quote: Garnabby

Anyway, i wouldn't start a thread with so little substance. Or, maybe it's just the "Bodog way"?


But you have no problem hijacking a thread instead. Maybe it's just the "Garnabby way"?

Quote: Garnabby

Oh, and i don't plan on being back here for at least a day or two, or three.


Enjoy your time off.
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December 16th, 2011 at 7:50:12 PM permalink
Why is Garnabby's name red, is it for the holidays?
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December 16th, 2011 at 8:03:49 PM permalink
Why isn't this a poll? I would vote "Garnabby is JerryLogan"
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December 17th, 2011 at 3:01:34 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why is Garnabby's name red, is it for the holidays?



It means he's been suspended - I forget where the Wiz puts the suspension list, but it's a progressive type of 'discipline'

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December 17th, 2011 at 3:13:20 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why is Garnabby's name red, is it for the holidays?

I literally just laughed out loud! Lol

Quote: Johnzimbo

Why isn't this a poll? I would vote "Garnabby is JerryLogan"

I often wonder how many people on here are actually just reincarnates of a former kicked off person. Ooooh, fun! It's like a puzzle. There's one other "new" person on here who's handle I won't mention who has me suspicious as well, someone who seems to be too open too soon.
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December 17th, 2011 at 3:25:26 PM permalink
This is not the first forum that has suspended or banned a poster using the name Garnabby. The poster's location was also the same.
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December 17th, 2011 at 3:28:09 PM permalink
Quote: toastcmu

It means he's been suspended -



I think I was being ironic.

Never mind...
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December 17th, 2011 at 3:44:43 PM permalink
Google Search on "Garnabby banned from forum"

Big time & long time troll on gaming forums ... honestly if you just Google "Garnabby" you get a lot more ...

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December 17th, 2011 at 7:39:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I think I was being ironic.

Never mind...




Hey, it's hard to tell sometimes with ya... I'm running on lack of sleep since my 3rd child was born last week....

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December 17th, 2011 at 8:12:41 PM permalink
JB was the one who banned him. It only saved me the trouble. He hasn't specified a reason yet, but I'm pretty sure it is basic trolling.
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December 17th, 2011 at 8:49:42 PM permalink
Yup, just trolling. I was going to make it a 2-week suspension but considering the overwhelming evidence that Garnabby is banned from nearly all such forums, I'll just make it permanent.
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December 18th, 2011 at 7:47:18 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

I often wonder how many people on here are actually just reincarnates of a former kicked off person. Ooooh, fun! It's like a puzzle. There's one other "new" person on here who's handle I won't mention who has me suspicious as well, someone who seems to be too open too soon.



I'd hope that most of those types actually have more of a life than to keep registering under new handles, pulling the same nonsense over and over. Then again, it is amazing the lifespan of some trolls left unchecked. Back on usenet there were 2-3, always in the same groups and always using the same 2-3 subjects in their posts. Moderated forum sites like this seem to have popped up more the last 5 years since more control keeps them out. Like the small town that finally had to hore cops, the "lets all just act as adults and self-police" era of usenet is no longer possible.

Anyways, I wonder if there is some kind of "writing-style" program out there. Something that analyzes writing, word use, sentence structure, and spits out a probability that two paragraphs were written by the same person. My sister-in-law caught plagirism by a student with a program designed for it, which I never even knew they had. Not that it is worth the trouble for a board this size most of the time, but would have been fun to see how many times a certain trucking exec re-registered under aliases. (Oh, I am starting an early New Years Resolution to try not to use his name here, others are encouraged to join.)
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December 18th, 2011 at 8:04:15 AM permalink
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JB was the one who banned him. It only saved me the trouble. He hasn't specified a reason yet, but I'm pretty sure it is basic trolling.



Kind of ironic that he got suspended on what looks like the 1 year anniversary of the opening of the suspension list?
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December 18th, 2011 at 8:39:07 AM permalink
Garnabby makes a good point about a conflict of interest between the Wizard stating that there is no way to win and a link to a gambling website that should not be legal in the united states.

By the way, it's funny, but when I go to WizardofVegas through my VPN (which is hooked to a US server), I get the bovada ad and the bovada text. When I go through to the Wizard of Vegas outside my VPN (I am in Canada), I get the Bodog ad and the Bodog text. Cool.

All of what I am about to say is "in my opinion".

Anyway, with respect to WizardofOdds, he doesn't make any claims on his website that there is a system that can win or advertise anyway to beat the casino. He talks about purely the odds of every casino game under many different common playing scenarios. Yes, he talks about the player advantage due to counting, by coorderating with other players, by holecarding, etc. He talks about sports betting and what the best bets are (home underdogs for baseball, for example). This is his bread and butter.

Nowhere on Wizard of Odds does he suggest that you will win. He, in fact, emphatically, abhors martingales, gambling systems, and the like. He makes the assumption that you will gamble responsibly after reading this information. He makes the assumption that for most players, gambling is entertainment. For a few, gambling is damaging, let's admit that, but the wizard does not contribute to this.

On Wizard of Vegas, I can't think of a thread where someone talks about betting and the consensus is "yeah, that will work". Instead, it seems that all martingales get debunked right away. It seems that the true house advantage is revealed on any betting scenario. Hole-carders, counters, and other methods to beat the house are usually fully discussed -- PaiGowDan usually chides all of these. So, I can't see how this site really encourages gambling except as a form of entertainment.

His link to Bodog is simply stating to his followers that this is a site that he stands behind because it offers a fair game. He doesn't claim that you will win more here. And for that exclusive link to Bodog, the Wizard likely receives more money than going to a multi-advertiser format.

I guess this goes back to the "is gambling bad" thread. And the answer is, to a few, yes. Does the Wizard of Odds or Wizard of Vegas contribute to this? I don't think so.
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December 22nd, 2011 at 5:20:02 PM permalink
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Yup, just trolling. I was going to make it a 2-week suspension but considering the overwhelming evidence that Garnabby is banned from nearly all such forums, I'll just make it permanent.


I've been away from the forum for 2 or 3 weeks -- mostly I got tired of a lot of bickering that was going on, and I had found myself drawn into some of it, which seemed an adequate reason to take a break.

Then I returned this evening to find that Garnabby has been permanently banned for being a troll. What a bright spot! Way back in this post I speculated that he was a troll, and he did not like that suggestion. My unsuccessful attempts to soothe the animosity out of that thread were part of the reason that I had to take a break.

Nice to smell the fresh air around here. Have I missed anything else interesting?
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December 22nd, 2011 at 5:28:21 PM permalink
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Nice to smell the fresh air around here. Have I missed anything else interesting?


Some religious bickering (much of it my own), some "500 Internal Server" errors, and someone lost 8 hands in a row at blackjack. Welcome back.
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December 22nd, 2011 at 5:55:26 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Have I missed anything else interesting?



Since you've shown some interest in the thread in the past.

We had a rather lengthy discussion about a type of reflexive passive voice that exists in Spanish, but not English. For example: Se habla español literally, “Spanish speaks itself” is a perfectly valid construct in Spanish.

Since this construct doesn't exist in English, both the Wizard and I kept trying to force a more traditional English parsing, like I speak Spanish or They speak Spanish. However, English uses the same conjugation speak for both sentences, it seems as if it doesn't matter. However, in Spanish they use different verb endings for singular or plural.

Because "Spanish speaks itself" is a type of sentence construction that doesn't really exist in English, there was some debate about if the subject of the sentence was Spanish, or the impersonal I or they or some other pronoun.

The Wizard wrote to a Spanish language grammar expert to get clarification.

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It does look like the new racino at the Aqueduct in Queens is taking another bite out of Atlantic City. By next year the Pennsylvania and New Jersey casino industries will be about the same size in revenue. But the state government of PA takes in over four times as much tax revenue as the state of NJ. New York state is taking an even bigger percentage than PA in exchange for granting the right to build the 'slot only' casino within walking distance of a subway stop.
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December 22nd, 2011 at 6:18:31 PM permalink
JB: I avoid the religion discussions myself, so if religion, server errors, and a gambling streak that sounds like my norm have been the big things, I did well to take a three-week nap.

Paco: Regarding "Se habla español," that masterful (?) Google Translate site suggests "Spanish spoken." I think that works reasonably well and maintains the passive, if not the reflexive, without the issue of singular/plural ever showing up. Of course, if I were to use "Se habla español" myself, it should probably be translated as, "Say, I'm hobbled at Spanish."
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